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2012-01-06 04:00:09 PM  
In before the B-b-b-but Community! Parks and Rec!

/as good as those shows may be, they're not getting the ratings
 
2012-01-06 04:05:58 PM  

germ78: In before the B-b-b-but Community! Parks and Rec!

/as good as those shows may be, they're not getting the ratings


because americans, on the whole, are morons.
 
2012-01-06 04:13:27 PM  
I just read that they're bringing back Community.
 
2012-01-06 04:19:33 PM  

germ78: In before the B-b-b-but Community! Parks and Rec!

/as good as those shows may be, they're not getting the ratings


Ratings, as they are currently done, are an antiquated system.
 
2012-01-06 04:22:21 PM  

TommyymmoT: I just read that they're bringing back Community.


And that's the last advertisement you'll hear about it from NBC.
 
2012-01-06 04:22:23 PM  
I stopped watching NBC when Will and Grace jumped the shark with Harry Connick Jr.
 
2012-01-06 04:29:43 PM  

FlashHarry: because americans, on the whole, are morons.


This is true.

mitchcumstein1: Ratings, as they are currently done, are an antiquated system.


And so is this.

/I should have added that NBC programming execs are clueless at best, malicious at worst
 
2012-01-06 04:33:41 PM  
scrapetv.com

"Screw you. I got mine."
 
2012-01-06 04:50:08 PM  
Give up on Reality shows; they suck.
 
2012-01-06 04:54:04 PM  
Damn it subby, enough with these repeats. this is what? How many years ago was this one?
 
2012-01-06 05:04:47 PM  
NBC vexes me. They routinely have the best shows on network TV (in the past several years, these include Parks and Rec, The Office, 30 Rock, Community, Life, Chuck, Parenthood and Friday Night Lights) and they SUCK as a network. It is seriously confusing.

Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.
 
2012-01-06 05:11:43 PM  

DamnYankees: Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.


HBO?

NBC does the half hour sitcom pretty well, but the money hasn't been in that for about a decade.
 
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2012-01-06 05:13:46 PM  

germ78: In before the B-b-b-but Community! Parks and Rec!

/as good as those shows may be, they're not getting the ratings


The ratings they get aren't the issue. It's the ratings of the incredibly banal yet somehow popular shows like Big Bang Theory get. They don't say, "Community is doing OK -- not bad, not good, but making money". They say, "It's not beating BBT. We must have something equally mind-numbing to steal their viewers! Community isn't dumb enough! We must find something else!"

If you are always trying to succeed in the context of others' successes, you're always going to fail.
 
2012-01-06 05:13:54 PM  

what_now: DamnYankees: Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.

HBO?

NBC does the half hour sitcom pretty well, but the money hasn't been in that for about a decade.


isn't the highest rated show on television typically a half hour sitcom? don't ratings determine ad revenue?
 
2012-01-06 05:14:33 PM  

DamnYankees: NBC vexes me. They routinely have the best shows on network TV (in the past several years, these include Parks and Rec, The Office, 30 Rock, Community, Life, Chuck, Parenthood and Friday Night Lights) and they SUCK as a network. It is seriously confusing.

Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.


Because these are the Top rated programs on TV today:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls

Can someone explain to me how the gal on Mike & Molly won the emmy last year? I mean, I'm not even saying she is a bad actress.... it's just how can you judge with how awful the writing is on that show.
 
2012-01-06 05:14:49 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: TommyymmoT: I just read that they're bringing back Community.

And that's the last advertisement you'll hear about it from NBC.


Not even. It was on the MTV website.
 
2012-01-06 05:18:58 PM  

what_now: DamnYankees: Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.

HBO?

NBC does the half hour sitcom pretty well, but the money hasn't been in that for about a decade.


HBO isn't a network. It's not even regular cable.
 
2012-01-06 05:20:12 PM  

dletter: Because these are the Top rated programs on TV today:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls


Exactly one of those shows is watchable...oh fark it, two, I like NCIS, but 60 Minutes is the only one of those I will readily admit to watching.

Can someone explain to me how the gal on Mike & Molly won the emmy last year? I mean, I'm not even saying she is a bad actress.... it's just how can you judge with how awful the writing is on that show.

She was piss your pants funny in Bridesmaids, and it carried over?
 
2012-01-06 05:33:21 PM  
Hey NBC, it ain't the fall that'll kill you, it's the landing.
 
2012-01-06 05:34:20 PM  

DamnYankees: what_now: DamnYankees: Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.

HBO?

NBC does the half hour sitcom pretty well, but the money hasn't been in that for about a decade.

HBO isn't a network. It's not even regular cable.


Wikipedia: "HBO, short for Home Box Office, is an American premium cable television network, owned by Time Warner."

It's not broadcast, but unless you know something I don't, it is a network.
 
2012-01-06 05:34:34 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Exactly one of those shows is watchable...oh fark it, two


I like looking at Kat Dennings. It doesn't make 2 Broke Girls watchable, but it's something.
 
2012-01-06 05:34:40 PM  

mitchcumstein1: dletter: Because these are the Top rated programs on TV today:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls

Exactly one of those shows is watchable...oh fark it, two, I like NCIS, but 60 Minutes is the only one of those I will readily admit to watching.

Can someone explain to me how the gal on Mike & Molly won the emmy last year? I mean, I'm not even saying she is a bad actress.... it's just how can you judge with how awful the writing is on that show.

She was piss your pants funny in Bridesmaids, and it carried over?


I know I'm in the minority because people gushed about that movie but her character just reminded me of a female version of Larry the Cable Guy.
 
2012-01-06 05:35:11 PM  

bigmattress: DamnYankees: what_now: DamnYankees: Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.

HBO?

NBC does the half hour sitcom pretty well, but the money hasn't been in that for about a decade.

HBO isn't a network. It's not even regular cable.

Wikipedia: "HBO, short for Home Box Office, is an American premium cable television network, owned by Time Warner."

It's not broadcast, but unless you know something I don't, it is a network.


by HBO's own account, they aren't even TV. stands to reason that they can't be a TV network then.
 
2012-01-06 05:35:34 PM  

DamnYankees: NBC vexes me. They routinely have the best shows on network TV (in the past several years, these include Parks and Rec, The Office, 30 Rock, Community, Life, Chuck, Parenthood and Friday Night Lights) and they SUCK as a network. It is seriously confusing.

Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 5 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.


FTFM
 
2012-01-06 05:36:51 PM  

thomps: bigmattress: DamnYankees: what_now: DamnYankees: Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.

HBO?

NBC does the half hour sitcom pretty well, but the money hasn't been in that for about a decade.

HBO isn't a network. It's not even regular cable.

Wikipedia: "HBO, short for Home Box Office, is an American premium cable television network, owned by Time Warner."

It's not broadcast, but unless you know something I don't, it is a network.

by HBO's own account, they aren't even TV. stands to reason that they can't be a TV network then.


Marketing trumps all, I guess.
 
2012-01-06 05:40:20 PM  

wee: germ78: In before the B-b-b-but Community! Parks and Rec!

/as good as those shows may be, they're not getting the ratings

The ratings they get aren't the issue. It's the ratings of the incredibly banal yet somehow popular shows like Big Bang Theory get. They don't say, "Community is doing OK -- not bad, not good, but making money". They say, "It's not beating BBT. We must have something equally mind-numbing to steal their viewers! Community isn't dumb enough! We must find something else!"

If you are always trying to succeed in the context of others' successes, you're always going to fail.


Exactly. There can only be one #1 show for each time slot, yet the "big three" are constantly scrambling over each other to get to the top of everything all the time thinking that they'll be able to please every single viewer in America if they just got their idea right, the cast right, the day right, and the time slot right. But since we don't all like the same things, they should be happy that most of their garbage is getting any ratings at all.
 
2012-01-06 05:40:56 PM  

omahatattoo: mitchcumstein1: dletter: Because these are the Top rated programs on TV today:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls

Exactly one of those shows is watchable...oh fark it, two, I like NCIS, but 60 Minutes is the only one of those I will readily admit to watching.

Can someone explain to me how the gal on Mike & Molly won the emmy last year? I mean, I'm not even saying she is a bad actress.... it's just how can you judge with how awful the writing is on that show.

She was piss your pants funny in Bridesmaids, and it carried over?

I know I'm in the minority because people gushed about that movie but her character just reminded me of a female version of Larry the Cable Guy.


Jesus, that's just mean spirited. Nobody's that bad.
 
2012-01-06 05:41:41 PM  
The only shows I watch on NBC are the ones that get cancelled. NBC should just put all their good shows on USA, where ratings don't have to be as high.

I DVR every prime-time USA show. Even the worst shows are at least watchable, and the best ones are really good. I thought I'd be sick of Psych by now, but I still can't help but crack up every time I watch it. Life and Chuck both should have been on USA.
 
2012-01-06 05:49:24 PM  

bigmattress: DamnYankees: NBC vexes me. They routinely have the best shows on network TV (in the past several years, these include Parks and Rec, The Office, 30 Rock, Community, Life, Chuck, Parenthood and Friday Night Lights) and they SUCK as a network. It is seriously confusing.

Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 5 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.

FTFM


Those three shows aren't amazing TV right now, but they all were at some point in the last 5 years.
 
2012-01-06 05:50:40 PM  
And its an Olympics year too! Yeah! So Dick Ebersol can prove once again that NBC sports blows worse than their entertainment division.

/and don't get me started about pinnipeds, either
 
2012-01-06 05:52:51 PM  

dletter: Because these are the Top rated programs on TV today:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls


2 Broke Girls is one of the highest rated shows? Good lord...
 
2012-01-06 05:55:21 PM  

IoSaturnalia: And its an Olympics year too! Yeah! So Dick Ebersol can prove once again that NBC sports blows worse than their entertainment division.

/and don't get me started about pinnipeds, either


Um, Ebersol left last year.
 
2012-01-06 05:56:33 PM  

bigmattress: DamnYankees: what_now: DamnYankees: Seriously, name me one other network which has a top 8 of quality shows over the past five years as good as NBC. And they can't get ratings.

HBO?

NBC does the half hour sitcom pretty well, but the money hasn't been in that for about a decade.

HBO isn't a network. It's not even regular cable.

Wikipedia: "HBO, short for Home Box Office, is an American premium cable television network, owned by Time Warner."

It's not broadcast, but unless you know something I don't, it is a network.


It's not like networks or regular cable because it does not rely at all on ad revenue and is entirely viewer driven. Their viewers pay up front. Since their movie licensing does not cost them much because they are backed by a studio, the majority of the subscription fees goes to the original programming, determining the budgets and levels of actors and writers they can get.

Also, since they back all the original programming from the development stage, they get a larger percentage of DVD revenues than other networks, which have to divvy up with individual distributors. That's why a channel with no ad revenue can afford to make series like Boardwalk and Game of Thrones, which cost anywhere from 5-10 million dollars an episode and how they can afford to develop a pilot with guys like Dustin Hoffman and Nick Nolte.
 
2012-01-06 05:57:12 PM  
Linked from that same article is news on Community.

It will be back, and they are moving timeslots. They acknowledge it's stupid to try to put them up against TBBT again.
 
2012-01-06 05:58:05 PM  
They always said Community would be back "at some point" the question is whether it will be renewed for a 4th season or if they are just going to finish airing season 3.

And stop saying shows like Whitney are going ot save your network. It sucks and everyone knows it.
 
2012-01-06 06:11:38 PM  

Nefarious: IoSaturnalia: And its an Olympics year too! Yeah! So Dick Ebersol can prove once again that NBC sports blows worse than their entertainment division.

/and don't get me started about pinnipeds, either

Um, Ebersol left last year.


California Sea Lions still suck, though.
 
2012-01-06 06:15:10 PM  

FlashHarry: germ78: In before the B-b-b-but Community! Parks and Rec!

/as good as those shows may be, they're not getting the ratings

because americans, on the whole, are morons.


DERPZINGA!
 
2012-01-06 06:24:48 PM  

TommyymmoT: I just read that they're bringing back Community.


ha ha! Didn't we also read that they're bringing back Arrested Development also?
 
2012-01-06 06:27:21 PM  
I heard prime suspect was good ... but figured I would wait until it came out on DVD.
No point in watching a good show that will just get canceled ...

has network not figured out that pandering to the lowest common denominator can only get you so far?
 
2012-01-06 06:30:42 PM  

namatad: has network not figured out that pandering to the lowest common denominator can only get you so far?


the problem is it can get you soooooo far
 
2012-01-06 06:33:03 PM  
They could have done worse - at least they don't have a stinker in the line-up like Arrested Development was...
 
2012-01-06 06:33:40 PM  
See what happens when you don't just outright fire an unfunny cancer like Jay Leno?

Any late night losses that would have happened if Leno had went to another network and did a late night show pale in comparison to TANKING THE ENTIRE FARKING NETWORK FOR ONE JACKASS!
 
2012-01-06 06:35:16 PM  
Came for the "Big Bang Theory is Nerd Blackface Because it's Beating Community and Annie's Boobs!!" outrage....

This is the new Arrested Development/Firefly, right?
 
2012-01-06 06:40:08 PM  

Happy Hours: TommyymmoT: I just read that they're bringing back Community.

ha ha! Didn't we also read that they're bringing back Arrested Development also?


Yup. In "early 2013".
 
2012-01-06 06:43:42 PM  

dletter: DamnYankees:
NCIS
NCIS: LA
.


You said NCIS twice.
 
2012-01-06 06:44:46 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Came for the "Big Bang Theory is Nerd Blackface Because it's Beating Community and Annie's Boobs!!" outrage....

This is the new Arrested Development/Firefly, right?


no because they're going to give community one more season and let everyone graduate in 4 years like they should.
 
2012-01-06 06:46:30 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I stopped watching NBC when Will and Grace jumped the shark with Harry Connick Jr.


Hey, did you see in the article where he's going to be on quite a few episodes of Law & Order? Yippy!
 
2012-01-06 06:54:08 PM  
People still watch terrestrial television?
 
2012-01-06 06:57:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Hey NBC, it ain't the fall that'll kill you, it's the landing.



Damn right. And NBC hasn't 'landed' into a winning lineup since-uh,when did Seinfeld go off the air? '99?
 
2012-01-06 06:59:44 PM  

DamnYankees: Chuck


That show was good for roughly 1.25 seasons, it was absolute shiat the last season I watched. I won't even tune in to see what crazy sexy outfit they've put Yavonne Strahovski in this week, that's how bad it is now.
 
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