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2012-01-06 07:01:49 PM

mitchcumstein1: DamnYankees: Chuck

That show was good for roughly 1.25 seasons, it was absolute shiat the last season I watched. I won't even tune in to see what crazy sexy outfit they've put Yavonne Strahovski in this week, that's how bad it is now.


Seconded.
 
2012-01-06 07:02:06 PM

Apos: scottydoesntknow: Hey NBC, it ain't the fall that'll kill you, it's the landing.


Damn right. And NBC hasn't 'landed' into a winning lineup since-uh,when did Seinfeld go off the air? '99?


Yes, nobody watched NBC when it was Friends, Will and Grace and ER. Ghost town of Thursday nights.
 
2012-01-06 07:04:49 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Came for the "Big Bang Theory is Nerd Blackface Because it's Beating Community and Annie's Boobs!!" outrage....

This is the new Arrested Development/Firefly, right?


Whether it's nerd blackface or not, I don't care. But BBT is the new Everyone Loves Raymond, in that it's an extremely popular run-of-the-mill sitcom, and the second it goes away no one will give a shiat.
 
2012-01-06 07:05:52 PM
I'm sure that "Whitney/Chelsea Handler" hour they have been promoting the hell out of on their NFL broadcasts will be a juggernaut.
 
2012-01-06 07:06:10 PM

mitchcumstein1: Apos: scottydoesntknow: Hey NBC, it ain't the fall that'll kill you, it's the landing.


Damn right. And NBC hasn't 'landed' into a winning lineup since-uh,when did Seinfeld go off the air? '99?

Yes, nobody watched NBC when it was Friends, Will and Grace and ER. Ghost town of Thursday nights.



Fair enough.
 
2012-01-06 07:11:30 PM

mitchcumstein1: DamnYankees: Chuck

That show was good for roughly 1.25 seasons, it was absolute shiat the last season I watched. I won't even tune in to see what crazy sexy outfit they've put Yavonne Strahovski in this week, that's how bad it is now.


Eh, it's meandering with no real over-arching plot. I'm not too sad that it's on its last season.
 
2012-01-06 07:13:25 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Came for the "Big Bang Theory is Nerd Blackface Because it's Beating Community and Annie's Boobs!!" outrage....

This is the new Arrested Development/Firefly, right?


No Arrested Development actually had story arcs. Community's jokes all center around other movies and tv shows. You know how Scott Baio replaced Henry Winkler, and Gob's wife was actually Gob's wife? Every joke in community is like that.

Actually the dull episodic nature is pretty similar to firefly. It has some kind of vendetta against character development
 
2012-01-06 07:14:16 PM

germ78: FlashHarry: because americans, on the whole, are morons.

This is true.

mitchcumstein1: Ratings, as they are currently done, are an antiquated system.

And so is this.

/I should have added that NBC programming execs are clueless at best, malicious at worst


Let me just say one thing about this, that I have to say on every thread. Ratings are NOT about the program, it is about how many people are watching the advertisements. The program is an "advertisement delivery mechanism". This is because ads (by and large) are what pays for the programming. Product placement gets around some of this. But those of us that record a program on our DVRs are not, by and large, watching the ads. So ratings are antiquated if you are using them to measure who watches a program, but they are pretty good about determining who watches the ads. That being said, there are other revenue paths now (product placement, DVD sets, pay outlets like Netflix and other internet and VOD) These other outlets are pretty small change compared to what advertisers bring to the table.
 
2012-01-06 07:15:06 PM
Personally I hope this is a curse NBC got for cancelling Life. That show was amazing, but those farktards couldn't keep it in a normal time slot.

/and taking Sarah Shahi off of TV should require someone's execution.
 
2012-01-06 07:15:17 PM

moothemagiccow: Actually the dull episodic nature is pretty similar to firefly. It has some kind of vendetta against character development




I think they tried it last season, especially on Mixology Certification, but I don't think it worked out very well.
 
2012-01-06 07:16:18 PM
I'll give 'em credit for trying.

Heroes (Season 1 = cool, after that = too slow to move the main plot)
Journeyman (Good premise, but see Heroes Season 2+)
Surface (Just too slow to move the plot)
Grimm (didn't bother)
The Event (See Surface, except I nearly destroyed my TV during the last episide)
The Cape (Watched the pilot, but only because it had Vinnie Jones)
Studio 60 (Too bad it was an alternate version of 30 Rock, could have been the next West Wing)

I'm not watching any of your shows unless they make it to a second season. Then I'll watch it on Netflix

/worked for Archer
 
2012-01-06 07:33:05 PM

browntimmy: OtherLittleGuy: Came for the "Big Bang Theory is Nerd Blackface Because it's Beating Community and Annie's Boobs!!" outrage....

This is the new Arrested Development/Firefly, right?

Whether it's nerd blackface or not, I don't care. But BBT is the new Everyone Loves Raymond, in that it's an extremely popular run-of-the-mill sitcom, and the second it goes away no one will give a shiat.


TBBT is done by the same people who do two and a half men. Is it really surprising it got popular by appealing to the lowest common denominator?
 
2012-01-06 07:38:15 PM
NBC has a few good shows.

Chuck, . . . . maybe parenthood? I guess that is it.

As far as the top shows:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA

Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls

/the wife likes Mike & Molly
//how can people watch NCIS: LA? It is sooooo bad
 
2012-01-06 07:42:49 PM

FeedTheCollapse: 2 Broke Girls is one of the highest rated shows? Good lord...


Well, look at that list. We'll take 60 minutes off it because it's not really a "show" show (just humor me), but each and every one of the other 9 shows on that list range from complete and utter crap to....well, whatever is worse than that.

This is why America can't have nice things. Who are the dipshiats who watch American Idol and two and a half men? I wish I could bash each and every one of your brains with a shovel, though that might actually make them more intelligent.
 
2012-01-06 07:46:25 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Came for the "Big Bang Theory is Nerd Blackface Because it's Beating Community and Annie's Boobs!!" outrage....

This is the new Arrested Development/Firefly, right?


You forgot the most important reason why - it's pandering and not very good. I couldn't give two craps if a good show was beating Community in the ratings, but for the Nerd Blackface that is BBT...that confuses and irritates me.
 
2012-01-06 07:48:07 PM

mitchcumstein1: DamnYankees: Chuck

That show was good for roughly 1.25 seasons, it was absolute shiat the last season I watched. I won't even tune in to see what crazy sexy outfit they've put Yavonne Strahovski in this week, that's how bad it is now.


I don't watch a lot of TV but I tried watching Chuck again recently. I think it was a lot better when Chuck was a geek and out of his element, before he became James Bond and everyone else at Best Buy became a secret agent.
 
2012-01-06 07:52:39 PM

FlashHarry: germ78: In before the B-b-b-but Community! Parks and Rec!

/as good as those shows may be, they're not getting the ratings

because americans, on the whole, are morons.


Don't agree with that at all. If anything, the last ten to fifteen years of television has put viewers off network television through a combination of horrible programming + good shows being canceled.
 
2012-01-06 07:53:24 PM

FeedTheCollapse: mitchcumstein1: DamnYankees: Chuck

That show was good for roughly 1.25 seasons, it was absolute shiat the last season I watched. I won't even tune in to see what crazy sexy outfit they've put Yavonne Strahovski in this week, that's how bad it is now.

Eh, it's meandering with no real over-arching plot. I'm not too sad that it's on its last season.


I stil watch Chuck, but am real glad that it's ending. It should have ended a couple of years ago when Chuck and Sarah hooked up. It's a fun, goofy show, but it's run its course.
 
2012-01-06 07:56:10 PM
Any news on Grimm? Dammit, I like that show. It's super twisted and pretty dark.
 
2012-01-06 07:59:00 PM
Are you trying to tell me that "Pushing Daisies" is not on TV anymore?
 
2012-01-06 07:59:50 PM
Not a TV owner, and not really all holier-than-thou about it but I recently saw some commercials for what's being put on as sitcoms and I wonder why more people haven't thrown out their TVs.
 
2012-01-06 08:00:12 PM
kukukupo
2012-01-06 07:38:15 PM

NBC has a few good shows.

Chuck, . . . . maybe parenthood? I guess that is it.

As far as the top shows:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls

/the wife likes Mike & Molly
//how can people watch NCIS: LA? It is sooooo bad


Never underestimate the power of LL.
 
2012-01-06 08:08:48 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Not a TV owner, and not really all holier-than-thou about it but I recently saw some commercials for what's being put on as sitcoms and I wonder why more people haven't thrown out their TVs.


Homeland, Sherlock, Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire, Mad Men, Breaking Bad. We're in an age where what is on TV is much better than what's in theaters.
 
2012-01-06 08:10:43 PM

CowboyNinjaD: The only shows I watch on NBC are the ones that get cancelled. NBC should just put all their good shows on USA, where ratings don't have to be as high.


And budgets are even lower.
 
2012-01-06 08:22:40 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: CowboyNinjaD: The only shows I watch on NBC are the ones that get cancelled. NBC should just put all their good shows on USA, where ratings don't have to be as high.

And budgets are even lower.



Burn Notice seems to do all right on a cable budget. The storylines might be running out of steam, but they still manage to blow up a lot of shiat. That can't be cheap.
 
2012-01-06 08:38:28 PM

stoli n coke: It's not like networks or regular cable because it does not rely at all on ad revenue and is entirely viewer driven. Their viewers pay up front.


Which means they don't even care all that much about how many viewers are watching a given show. Hypothetically speaking, they should be okay with a show with few viewers if all those viewers are subscribing to HBO because of that show and otherwise wouldn't get it. And also HBO doesn't give a crap about whether people watch the first airing, the umpteenth reair or on demand.
 
2012-01-06 08:46:17 PM

FeedTheCollapse: dletter: Because these are the Top rated programs on TV today:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls

2 Broke Girls is one of the highest rated shows? Good lord...


It would be number one of the two broke girls were naked the entire time, but nooooo...
 
2012-01-06 09:10:34 PM

Carth: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Not a TV owner, and not really all holier-than-thou about it but I recently saw some commercials for what's being put on as sitcoms and I wonder why more people haven't thrown out their TVs.

Homeland, Sherlock, Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire, Mad Men, Breaking Bad. We're in an age where what is on TV is much better than what's in theaters.


I'm adding "House of Lies" because Kristen Bell a) is back doing a series b) isn't in a farking romcom but doing drama and c) will be in bra and panties in the pilot and hopefully less, seeing it's Showtime.

/she had me at Flora-Joanie
 
2012-01-06 09:26:46 PM
FTA:On burning off Chuck's final season episodes over the holidays: "Did you see the ratings?," he asked about the show, which was often pulling a mere 1.0 rating in the adult demo on Friday night. "That rapid fanbase going crazy on the net didn't come to the show. Chuck's time had come. Chuck is over, let's alert the masses."

Uhh you use an outdated ratings system (seriously does anyone know anyone with a Nielsen box?). You focus on only the "adult" demographic which is a broad spectrum. If you narrowed the spectrum down I bet shows like Community and Chuck will have better ratings compared to others.

Also I don't find Parks and Rec, The Office and 30 Rock to be all that funny.

Also the only reason why CBS has the top running shows is because old people fall asleep the local news on CBS.
 
2012-01-06 09:56:37 PM
I love Parks and Rec, but I refuse to watch anything else on the network besides The Office (and that's only out of morbid curiosity for the past couple of seasons).

I'm just glad I've got Netflix and Skyrim to fill the void until we get new episodes.

/would pay go
 
2012-01-06 10:45:45 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Never underestimate the power of LL.


His hat is like a shark fin after all.
 
2012-01-06 11:09:00 PM
Despite all the praise on the sites I visit over Parks and Rec, i just can't get into it. Every time I gave it a chance I couldn't shake the feeling that i rather be watching The Office. Just finished all the shows I have been watching/catching up on so going to give Stargate, Burn Notice, The Walking Dead and Battlestar their chances next.

/I am offended that TBBT is considered a comedy. Never laughed once at that show and I don't consider myself much of a nerd at all.
 
2012-01-06 11:29:01 PM

kukukupo: NBC has a few good shows.

Chuck, . . . . maybe parenthood? I guess that is it.

As far as the top shows:
American Idol
Dancing with the Stars
NCIS
Two and a Half Men
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
60 Minutes
Mentalist
Mike & Molly
2 Broke Girls

/the wife likes Mike & Molly
//how can people watch NCIS: LA? It is sooooo bad


That's what makes NCIS:LA so watchable. It's so bad and incredibility outlandish that you can't help but watch. NCIS: LA is my favorite comedy.
 
2012-01-06 11:54:15 PM

joepainter: That's what makes NCIS:LA so watchable. It's so bad and incredibility outlandish that you can't help but watch. NCIS: LA is my favorite comedy.


Yeah, it's pretty harsh. The original NCIS at least has likable characters. I want to kick everyone's ass on NCIS: LA. Well LL Cool J would beat my ass but I'm pretty sure I could take Robin and the dwarf chick. The Minority Report technology is annoying too.
 
2012-01-07 12:38:04 AM

Mugato: mitchcumstein1: DamnYankees: Chuck

That show was good for roughly 1.25 seasons, it was absolute shiat the last season I watched. I won't even tune in to see what crazy sexy outfit they've put Yavonne Strahovski in this week, that's how bad it is now.

I don't watch a lot of TV but I tried watching Chuck again recently. I think it was a lot better when Chuck was a geek and out of his element, before he became James Bond and everyone else at Best Buy became a secret agent.


Not everyone at the Buy More is an agent now.
 
2012-01-07 12:50:13 AM
The demise of Prime Suspect is a damn shame. There are precious few shows that downright deserve some time to find their audience, this is one of them.
 
2012-01-07 01:40:19 AM
After watching the dramas on AMC, HBO, and Showtime, everything the big 4 networks have just looks like shiat in comparison. But NBC has a few good sitcoms, which is a few more than the other 3 have in my opinion.

Are younger people still their target demographic? Seems like those ages are the ones likely to use DVRs, internet, or play video games instead.
 
2012-01-07 04:19:24 AM
Don't care what anyone I here says. I enjoy Chuck, and will miss it when it's gone. Its real geek humor, done for geeks by geeks. Referencing real things in that particular subculture, and not just making fun of them like Two and a Half Big Bang Theories does.
 
2012-01-07 04:20:17 AM
Wow, auto correct murders my sense making muscle.
 
2012-01-07 04:36:47 AM
The balls on this guy to say that (and I'm paraphrasing) "We won't decide if we're cancelling Community until May when I watch all the pilots. If those all suck, then Community is safe."
 
2012-01-07 08:24:45 AM
I'm sure they're making up for lost revenue with Superbowl ads.
 
2012-01-07 09:12:37 AM

Shadowknight: Don't care what anyone I here says. I enjoy Chuck, and will miss it when it's gone. Its real geek humor, done for geeks by geeks. Referencing real things in that particular subculture, and not just making fun of them like Two and a Half Big Bang Theories does.




I don't know, this season of Chuck feels like a hastily made spin-off , except it has all the main characters (with the Intersect being the lone hold-out, apparently). It's watchable, but there's no real plot.
 
2012-01-07 10:45:15 AM

thefireandpassion: FTA:On burning off Chuck's final season episodes over the holidays: "Did you see the ratings?," he asked about the show, which was often pulling a mere 1.0 rating in the adult demo on Friday night. "That rapid fanbase going crazy on the net didn't come to the show. Chuck's time had come. Chuck is over, let's alert the masses."

Uhh you use an outdated ratings system (seriously does anyone know anyone with a Nielsen box?). You focus on only the "adult" demographic which is a broad spectrum. If you narrowed the spectrum down I bet shows like Community and Chuck will have better ratings compared to others.

Also I don't find Parks and Rec, The Office and 30 Rock to be all that funny.

Also the only reason why CBS has the top running shows is because old people fall asleep the local news on CBS.


Chuck sucks. It has always sucked and will as long as it lasts. No one will miss it when its gone. Nick at Night won't be showing it in 20 years.
 
2012-01-07 11:23:28 AM
What an asshole this guy is to blame Chuck's dismal end on the fans. I have no problem admitting the show isn't what it used to be, but NBC set the show up to fail in every single season it was on the air. The only reason it's still on the air is because of the fans.

Good news for me, though. Once Chuck goes off the air, the last reason I had to ever tune into NBC goes with it.

Nemo's Brother: Nick at Night won't be showing it in 20 years.


Who's going to need Nick at Nite in 20 years? Chuck is already available on DVD and streaming services like Netflix. Whether anyone will watch it may be debatable, but it's always going to be there.
 
2012-01-07 11:40:49 AM

FeedTheCollapse: I don't know, this season of Chuck feels like a hastily made spin-off , except it has all the main characters (with the Intersect being the lone hold-out, apparently). It's watchable, but there's no real plot.


This season is like all of the other Chuck seasons - a main plot thread that runs through the season along with some stand-alone side-mission episodes that don't directly advance the plot (but may develop the characters). This season has compressed that a little due to only having a 13-episode run, so the side missions seem to be really out-of-place even if they are setting up a happy ending for Casey with this Verbanski arc.
 
2012-01-07 11:42:41 AM

xsarien: The demise of Prime Suspect is a damn shame. There are precious few shows that downright deserve some time to find their audience, this is one of them.


Yeah but...no. I tried to like it, I wanted to like it, but it was just do farking devoid of anything interesting. Another cop show that has nothing special to offer and is blah as hell.
 
2012-01-07 12:01:54 PM

Republicat: FeedTheCollapse: I don't know, this season of Chuck feels like a hastily made spin-off , except it has all the main characters (with the Intersect being the lone hold-out, apparently). It's watchable, but there's no real plot.

This season is like all of the other Chuck seasons - a main plot thread that runs through the season along with some stand-alone side-mission episodes that don't directly advance the plot (but may develop the characters). This season has compressed that a little due to only having a 13-episode run, so the side missions seem to be really out-of-place even if they are setting up a happy ending for Casey with this Verbanski arc.


the other seasons have worked up to an over-arching plot, but this seasons doesn't really feel like there is one. There was kind of a on-the-run arch that didn't quite go anywhere. Freelance Spies that kind of gets propped up, but isn't really all that interesting. The Verbanski plot is the only real consistent one, but it kind of feels like something that should come closer to the end of the show's run as it's obviously there to close out Casey's story.
 
2012-01-07 10:56:38 PM

Saners: Despite all the praise on the sites I visit over Parks and Rec, i just can't get into it. Every time I gave it a chance I couldn't shake the feeling that i rather be watching The Office. Just finished all the shows I have been watching/catching up on so going to give Stargate, Burn Notice, The Walking Dead and Battlestar their chances next.

/I am offended that TBBT is considered a comedy. Never laughed once at that show and I don't consider myself much of a nerd at all.


The first season of Parks is pretty rough. I won't lie, I dropped the show after watching two episodes. However, I got back into it, and I will say that it becomes much more engaging in the second season, once they finally get past the whole "fill in the pit" story arc.

The show really gets amazing in seasons 3 and 4, particularly once Ben and Chris become regular characters. They are LITERALLY game-changers.

/spot the in-joke
 
2012-01-08 03:15:02 PM

xsarien: The demise of Prime Suspect is a damn shame. There are precious few shows that downright deserve some time to find their audience, this is one of them.


I'll second this.
 
2012-01-08 10:20:23 PM
They should hire more SNL rejects with crappy sitcoms.
 
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