DamnYankees: Most crimes are defined by states, and AFAIK male's can be subject to rape in most states, certainly the ones we studied in law school.

True.

However, the federal definition was different; and although that doesn't much matter for law enforcement purposes, it DOES matter for statistical and legislative purposes.

Presently, the DOJ only counts "carnal knowledge of a woman not the perpetrator's spouse by force without consent" among their stats of forcible rape; everything else goes into sexual battery statistics. This skews the number of rapes downward by a significant amount, and puts the forcible rapes of men and children in the same class as sexual misdemeanors.

This new classification will make the number of apparent rapes go up in the short term; but the per capita will be more realistic.

I was technically raped by a girl in college. Several of us were sharing a hotel room for a bowl game, and I passed out in my bed at sone point. Later I awoke to a girl we let stay with us going to town on me. In my confused state I obviously ket things continue. And while she was someone I had avoided hooking up with before, I won't say I felt actually violated or anything. I consider it a funny story now. But I know for damn sure if that happened to a girl, that guy would be in jail.

Weaver95: 9beers: Weaver95: I wonder if this country will finally start considering prison rape a crime and stop thinking of it as a bonus punishment or if we'll still make jokes about it and/or pretend it doesn't happen.

Prison rape is 100% preventable by not being a farking scumbag criminal in the first place. No sympathy at all for somebody getting a little unwanted butt sex.

then why not give the courts the option of sentencing someone to rape? y'know...2 years probation and one rape for jaywalking. or 18 months and two rapes for minor possession charges.

Which begs the question...Who among us would rather get two minutes of anal rape instead of two years of probation?

9beers: Weaver95: I wonder if this country will finally start considering prison rape a crime and stop thinking of it as a bonus punishment or if we'll still make jokes about it and/or pretend it doesn't happen.

Prison rape is 100% preventable by not being a farking scumbag criminal in the first place. No sympathy at all for somebody getting a little unwanted butt sex.

Like I say every time this argument is used: If you want prison rape to be a bonus punishment, make it actually part of the sentence. Don't sentence a man to years of incarceration, nominally under the protection of the State, with the expectation (and in some cases, sincere hope) that they will get raped while inside. A prisoner is supposed to be under the protection of the State, don't consider the State failing in their duty as some kind of just comeuppance.

And you know what, even still? Assigning rape as a punishment sounds like something out of a barbaric hell-holes worst nightmare. It is cruel, unusual, and utterly unbecoming of a country that claims to have just laws to think of rape as some kind of legal punishment.

usernameguy: It also now includes sex with someone who can't consent due to intoxication.

I have never agreed with that definition.

There is intoxicated (passed out) and there is just wasted. My wife and I have some of the best sex when we are BOTH wasted. Does that mean I have raped my wife dozens of times just because she wasn't sober enough to drive?

Seriously, if a drunk, but conscious woman gets in the car she can be arrested and imprisoned because she WAS responsible. But if she has sex she is no longer responsible for her own actions and is a victim. I never could wrap my brain around how we got to this point. It is like society is still infantilising women. Anyway, if a person is unconscious I DO agree that it is rape rape. If she is just drunk and making a bad decision it shouldn't be.

bibli0phile: You do understand that in a modern prison, 1 officer is used to monitor about 200-400 inmates (medium security-vast majority). It is impossible to completely prevent these actions unless massive money is pumped into the system.

Which is retarded in the first place but then they let them all intermingle.

Keep those f*cks away from each other! Or at least put the violent assholes in with the violent assholes and keep the non-violent guys safe so they don't become forced to be violent guys themselves.

No, the real reason is authoritarian f*cktstains get a huge woody thinking of little Johnny Pothead's anus getting reamed out by Bubba.

And in many cases Bubba was just a guy who made a mistake until he himself got raped and beaten until he became a monster.

It has to stop.

/no I have not been prison raped nor been to prison
//but I know people who have
/// they were never the same after

Good. Men have a whole 'nother set of issue when it comes to this, the first of which is the additional social stigma of it. If you are a straight man, well, you just are not supposed to be victimized like that, and if you are a gay man according to the LAPD:

...gay men can't be raped (new window)

It's hard for anyone to face and process and make a life afterwards, but men do have more pressures in processing it in our society. Making statements like this are important for boys and men who have lived though horrific abuse to work toward dealing with it and moving forward.

1in6.org (new window)

Hugs to the strong, brave guys who've faced this alone knowing they'd be the butt of jokes or labelled the predator if they spoke up.

Lucky LaRue: Wait. Forced anal sex wasn't "rape rape" until now?

Probably considered aggravated sexual battery in the statistics.

DamnYankees: Most crimes are defined by states, and AFAIK male's can be subject to rape in most states, certainly the ones we studied in law school.

I think this is just about making federal statistics and reporting match up with the state definitions of those crimes:

The administration said this expansive definition more accurately tracks rapes but will not change state or federal laws used to prosecute rape, most of which already incorporate the more expansive definitions, NBC reported Friday..

Before I could even joke about how conservatives would be against this, I saw this little gem:

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This Administration thinks IT MAKES THE LAWS!! He thinks he is a KING!

Butt that said it was needed but maybe he should let congress pass the laws LIKE THE LAW (constitution) says.


#1.3 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM EST