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(The New York Times)   President Obama is trying to tie the Republican candidates to the unpopular Congress using a two-tier strategy. Let's see if the Republicans notice   (nytimes.com) divider line 52
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2012-01-06 12:29:10 PM  
Probably not. We're talking Republicans here. Strategy, statistics are specialities in science. And Republicans have disavowed science.
 
2012-01-06 12:57:33 PM  
Everyone who has been writing Obama off should reconsider.

It's go time now and Obama supporters are like boyfriends who are part of a bad couple. That boyfriend will fight with his girlfriend constantly, call her a biatch to her face, demean her, kick her out of the apartment...but if that asshole at the end of the bar looks at her ONE MORE TIME...!
 
2012-01-06 01:11:41 PM  
Trying? Obama doesn't have to notice - they've been so god damn obstructionist, that EVERYONE is beginning to notice. Including my mother.
 
2012-01-06 01:22:18 PM  

Howie Spankowitz: Everyone who has been writing Obama off should reconsider.

It's go time now and Obama supporters are like boyfriends who are part of a bad couple. That boyfriend will fight with his girlfriend constantly, call her a biatch to her face, demean her, kick her out of the apartment...but if that asshole at the end of the bar looks at her ONE MORE TIME...!


Sorry, but I'm not like the boyfriend you envisioned.

I'm like the husband devoted to his marriage.

/God, I'm going to catch shiat with that last sentence.
 
2012-01-06 01:23:34 PM  
And those two tiers are the Senate and the House
 
2012-01-06 02:52:36 PM  
Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.
 
2012-01-06 02:52:53 PM  
Tier one: eat some arugula.

Tier two: drink some Yuengling.

/seriously, does he even need to campaign against the shiat sandwich the GOP is going to nominate?
 
2012-01-06 02:54:02 PM  
FTFA: "Mitt Romney sent out the obligatory news release ripping the president. "

Why obligatory news release? Do the media get fined if they don't publish it? or him if there is no news release?

or is obligatory=expected in this case?
 
2012-01-06 02:54:32 PM  
"The Republican candidates are leaving Iowa. But their terrible plans are here to stay,"

This election season is going to be fantastic.
 
2012-01-06 02:57:02 PM  

Jairzinho: FTFA: "Mitt Romney sent out the obligatory news release ripping the president. "

Why obligatory news release? Do the media get fined if they don't publish it? or him if there is no news release?

or is obligatory=expected in this case?


It's a concession to the fact that if Obama takes a dump, Republicans are forced by... whatever it is drives them, I dunno... to hate on him for it.
 
2012-01-06 02:59:51 PM  

AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.


He's only a disappointment because he spent 3 years trying desperately to compromise and work with congress. I don't know what made him finally snap, but I'm looking forward to a year of awesomeness.
 
2012-01-06 03:00:43 PM  
Simple way to beat the current crop of Republicans as said before.

Play their exact words and videos back to back of them contradicting themselves.

Win.
 
2012-01-06 03:02:33 PM  
Trying to tie the Republican candidates to the unpopular Congress? How is that even remotely difficult? They are spouting the same talking points!!

I bet you Fox says a fortune on getting shows subtitled. They all repeat themselves. The subtitle writer must work 1 hour per week.
 
2012-01-06 03:05:57 PM  

AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.


Hes not met expectations, but the current GOP is less desireable then say, driving nails though ones penis.

In a race between ineffective and absolutely insane, Ineffective looks damn impressive.
 
2012-01-06 03:06:04 PM  

Jairzinho: FTFA: "Mitt Romney sent out the obligatory news release ripping the president. "

Why obligatory news release? Do the media get fined if they don't publish it? or him if there is no news release?

or is obligatory=expected in this case?


Obligatory insofar as he, the GOP frontrunner, HAS to release something ripping the president when the president decides to do something. To fail to do so would be problematic to his campaign.

Just another example of Revolver level chess strategy on the part of Obama when he decides it's go time.

1. "The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever look."
2. "The only way to get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent."
3. "First rule of business, protect your investment."
4. "There is no avoiding war, it can only be postponed to the advantage of your enemy."
5. "In every game and every con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former."

Romney's backing himself into a corner by playing for the hardline conservatives in the primary. He'll have to be very careful to avoid over-investing himself in that strategy come general season or he'll end up looking like he folds like a paper crane at the slightest provocation.

And who expects his worst enemy to simultaneously be his greatest ally?
/No one in the GOP field this go 'round, apparently.
 
2012-01-06 03:06:24 PM  

Contribution Corsair: Simple way to beat the current crop of Republicans as said before.

Play their exact words and videos back to back of them contradicting themselves.

Win.


Pretty much. Romney will get the nomination. Once he does, the Democrats will spend the remainder of the election season beating him to a pulp with his flip-flops.
 
2012-01-06 03:08:52 PM  

Edsel: Pretty much. Romney will get the nomination. Once he does, the Democrats will spend the remainder of the election season beating him to a pulp with his flip-flops.


And Obama's clever enough to do things like thank Romney and the GOP for coming up with ideas that led to Obamacare in the opening of a debate.
 
2012-01-06 03:09:18 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Trying? Obama doesn't have to notice - they've been so god damn obstructionist, that EVERYONE is beginning to notice. Including my mother.


My brother-in-law was pretty close to being a racist dick who think Obama is socialist... After Iowa, he commented on facebook, "No! Just because I'm Republican doesn't mean I agree with what the candidates."

Blew my farking mind.
 
2012-01-06 03:15:08 PM  
So Obama finally found his spine... where the fark was it a week ago?
 
2012-01-06 03:17:22 PM  

MindStalker: AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.

He's only a disappointment because he spent 3 years trying desperately to compromise and work with congress. I don't know what made him finally snap, but I'm looking forward to a year of awesomeness.


He was hoping a carrot and stick would do, but the GOP stubbornly stood still, just doing nothing but shiatting on the floor. We've now entered a phase where the President is going to rub their noses in that shiat for awhile. When they finally take to the training, they'll be much more eager to cooperate and compromise, but the President will remind them that the only thing they respond to is getting their noses rubbed in shiat.

His second term is going to be awesome.
 
2012-01-06 03:19:18 PM  

Masso: Darth_Lukecash: Trying? Obama doesn't have to notice - they've been so god damn obstructionist, that EVERYONE is beginning to notice. Including my mother.

My brother-in-law was pretty close to being a racist dick who think Obama is socialist... After Iowa, he commented on facebook, "No! Just because I'm Republican doesn't mean I agree with what the candidates."

Blew my farking mind.


"I mean I'll vote for them, but..."
 
2012-01-06 03:19:55 PM  

HeartBurnKid: So Obama finally found his spine... where the fark was it a week ago?


Spine-cleaners'.
 
2012-01-06 03:20:10 PM  
"We know we'll run against a person."

Only in the loosest sense are Santorum and Romney "people", but I understand.
 
2012-01-06 03:22:13 PM  

HeartBurnKid: So Obama finally found his spine... where the fark was it a week ago?


Campaign mode Obama is the best Obama
 
2012-01-06 03:24:08 PM  

s1ugg0: Trying to tie the Republican candidates to the unpopular Congress? How is that even remotely difficult? They are spouting the same talking points!!


It would be a much more difficult job to disassociate Congress from the GOP candidates.
 
2012-01-06 03:28:10 PM  
If Obama had turned aggressive early last year I sure would have been pleased, but by waiting until now he leaves no doubt (except to the hopeless) that he tried to cooperate with the GOP. By waiting until now he gets the largest hypothetical increase in support from moderates who are actually paying attention.

If he had been aggressive from the beginning no one but the left-of-center would have been impressed. He's playing this perfectly and "b...b..but election year!" is a pretty obtuse response. Of course he's doing it because it's an election year, but it's also really the only strategy that is going to work to keep the GOP out of the White House. Obama will keep playing the rope-a-dope, and that requires a lot of patience. Frankly I'm enjoying the show.
 
2012-01-06 03:31:43 PM  

AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.


What were you expecting? Unicorns?

Shiat, health care reform, leading us through the Great Recession without slipping into a second Great Depression, ending the Iraq War, re-engaging the Taliban in Afghanistan, hunting down and taking out Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, making the Republican-led House of Representatives look as stupid as they are, all this isn't enough for you in three years?

I'm sorry if you thought President Obama was the Second Coming of Jesus. He's just a good, smart leader without divine powers.
 
2012-01-06 03:34:31 PM  
Oh, and AeAE, I forgot to mention the end of the US military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" with a Republican House agreeing to change the DADT law. Plus dropping the Department of Justice defending the Defense of Marriage Act because it's unconstitutional.

Did I miss anything?
 
2012-01-06 03:36:35 PM  

BeesNuts: Jairzinho: FTFA: "Mitt Romney sent out the obligatory news release ripping the president. "

Why obligatory news release? Do the media get fined if they don't publish it? or him if there is no news release?

or is obligatory=expected in this case?

Obligatory insofar as he, the GOP frontrunner, HAS to release something ripping the president when the president decides to do something. To fail to do so would be problematic to his campaign.

Just another example of Revolver level chess strategy on the part of Obama when he decides it's go time.

1. "The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever look."
2. "The only way to get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent."
3. "First rule of business, protect your investment."
4. "There is no avoiding war, it can only be postponed to the advantage of your enemy."
5. "In every game and every con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former."

Romney's backing himself into a corner by playing for the hardline conservatives in the primary. He'll have to be very careful to avoid over-investing himself in that strategy come general season or he'll end up looking like he folds like a paper crane at the slightest provocation.

And who expects his worst enemy to simultaneously be his greatest ally?
/No one in the GOP field this go 'round, apparently.


So when are we, as a global society, going to get to the point of the film--the throwing off of the ego? That'd be nice.
 
2012-01-06 03:38:32 PM  

Antimatter: Hes not met expectations, but the current GOP is less desireable then say, driving nails though ones penis.

In a race between ineffective and absolutely insane, Ineffective looks damn impressive.


Et tu, Antimatter? Et tu?

Geez, methinks you're a closet Republican who doesn't have any substance to back up your vague statements.
 
2012-01-06 03:42:10 PM  

AirForceVet: AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.

What were you expecting? Unicorns?

Shiat, health care reform, leading us through the Great Recession without slipping into a second Great Depression, ending the Iraq War, re-engaging the Taliban in Afghanistan, hunting down and taking out Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, making the Republican-led House of Representatives look as stupid as they are, all this isn't enough for you in three years?

I'm sorry if you thought President Obama was the Second Coming of Jesus. He's just a good, smart leader without divine powers.


You think he's done everything he was capable of? He rolled over with the debacle about increasing the budget. What's he done with Wall Street reform? NOthing.

Yes, HCR was a win. That was awesome. Bin Laden - sure. Libya, ok. All great stuff.

He signed NDAA - that should have been vetoed.

He's good, certainly, but he has not delivered the change and the leadership that he said he would.

If you think he's performed to your expectations, then good for you. He hasn't with me.
 
2012-01-06 03:45:59 PM  

MindStalker: AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.

He's only a disappointment because he spent 3 years trying desperately to compromise and work with congress. I don't know what made him finally snap, but I'm looking forward to a year of awesomeness.


Don't you think when he realized that the cons were going to try to fark him anyway they can, that the 'compromise' strategy may not be the most effective way to get things done?

He's a like a battered wife that keeps hoping her husband will stop drinking and punching her on Friday nights.
 
2012-01-06 03:49:17 PM  

AeAe: AirForceVet: AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.

What were you expecting? Unicorns?

Shiat, health care reform, leading us through the Great Recession without slipping into a second Great Depression, ending the Iraq War, re-engaging the Taliban in Afghanistan, hunting down and taking out Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, making the Republican-led House of Representatives look as stupid as they are, all this isn't enough for you in three years?

I'm sorry if you thought President Obama was the Second Coming of Jesus. He's just a good, smart leader without divine powers.

You think he's done everything he was capable of? He rolled over with the debacle about increasing the budget. What's he done with Wall Street reform? NOthing.

Yes, HCR was a win. That was awesome. Bin Laden - sure. Libya, ok. All great stuff.

He signed NDAA - that should have been vetoed.

He's good, certainly, but he has not delivered the change and the leadership that he said he would.

If you think he's performed to your expectations, then good for you. He hasn't with me.


The kind of change you want is practically impossible with the political industrial complex we have today.
 
2012-01-06 03:59:09 PM  

Serious Black: AeAe: AirForceVet: AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.

What were you expecting? Unicorns?

Shiat, health care reform, leading us through the Great Recession without slipping into a second Great Depression, ending the Iraq War, re-engaging the Taliban in Afghanistan, hunting down and taking out Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, making the Republican-led House of Representatives look as stupid as they are, all this isn't enough for you in three years?

I'm sorry if you thought President Obama was the Second Coming of Jesus. He's just a good, smart leader without divine powers.

You think he's done everything he was capable of? He rolled over with the debacle about increasing the budget. What's he done with Wall Street reform? NOthing.

Yes, HCR was a win. That was awesome. Bin Laden - sure. Libya, ok. All great stuff.

He signed NDAA - that should have been vetoed.

He's good, certainly, but he has not delivered the change and the leadership that he said he would.

If you think he's performed to your expectations, then good for you. He hasn't with me.

The kind of change you want is practically impossible with the political industrial complex we have today.


That Obama is unwilling to even try shows he's part of the problem.
 
2012-01-06 04:08:23 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Serious Black: AeAe: If you think he's performed to your expectations, then good for you. He hasn't with me.

The kind of change you want is practically impossible with the political industrial complex we have today.

That Obama is unwilling to even try shows he's part of the problem.


Trust me, I know he's part of the problem, but what is he supposed to do? Declare that he's going to veto every single piece of legislation that crosses his desk and refuse to nominate anybody for any vacancies until Congress sends him a bill reforming how campaigns are funded? That's a strategy even more insane than what the GOP has been pulling for the last three years.
 
2012-01-06 04:11:50 PM  

Serious Black: HeartBurnKid: Serious Black: AeAe: If you think he's performed to your expectations, then good for you. He hasn't with me.

The kind of change you want is practically impossible with the political industrial complex we have today.

That Obama is unwilling to even try shows he's part of the problem.

Trust me, I know he's part of the problem, but what is he supposed to do? Declare that he's going to veto every single piece of legislation that crosses his desk and refuse to nominate anybody for any vacancies until Congress sends him a bill reforming how campaigns are funded? That's a strategy even more insane than what the GOP has been pulling for the last three years.


I'd settle for him vetoing bad laws, like NDAA. That's what a President is supposed to do.
 
2012-01-06 04:20:07 PM  

Serious Black: Tier one: eat some arugula.

Tier two: drink some Yuengling.

/seriously, does he even need to campaign against the shiat sandwich the GOP is going to nominate?


Tier two sounds like my plan for the weekend.
 
2012-01-06 04:43:31 PM  
It's a tried and true strategy.

Just watch, the eventual Republican candidate will immediately begin tying Biden to Obama.
 
2012-01-06 04:45:21 PM  

Edsel: Pretty much. Romney will get the nomination. Once he does, the Democrats will spend the remainder of the election season beating him to a pulp with his flip-flops.


What will be even better is when Obama proposes something Romney supports and all the Republicans in Congress shoot Romney's position down.
 
2012-01-06 04:51:00 PM  

AirForceVet: Shiat, health care reform, leading us through the Great Recession without slipping into a second Great Depression, ending the Iraq War, re-engaging the Taliban in Afghanistan, hunting down and taking out Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, making the Republican-led House of Representatives look as stupid as they are, all this isn't enough for you in three years?


You forgot banking reform.
 
2012-01-06 05:20:09 PM  
Tier 1) Most of them are from this retard congress.

Tier 2) Profit.
 
2012-01-06 05:20:24 PM  

Cletus C.: It's a tried and true strategy.

Just watch, the eventual Republican candidate will immediately begin tying Biden to Obama.


Is it safe to assume that Biden will be the VP candidate this time around? I think Biden will get swapped out for the most advantageous choice as soon as the GOP nominee selects their VP.
 
2012-01-06 05:54:51 PM  

culebra: Cletus C.: Just watch, the eventual Republican candidate will immediately begin tying Biden to Obama.

Is it safe to assume that Biden will be the VP candidate this time around? I think Biden will get swapped out for the most advantageous choice as soon as the GOP nominee selects their VP.


I don't see how Biden is going to hurt Obama, though. I haven't heard any embarrassing flubs from him recently, and he's been doing some stuff that will sound good on the campaign trail, like his trips around the world.

The biggest factor, though, is that if Obama kicks out Biden, it detracts from his big message of "the White House has been doing great; let us keep doing more." Inertia is powerful, and tossing it away unnecessarily wouldn't be wise.
 
2012-01-06 05:57:10 PM  
Because just like Democrats in 2010 there is no way in hell he's going to run on all of his amazing accomplishments and success over the last four years.
 
2012-01-06 05:58:25 PM  

Starry Heavens: culebra: Cletus C.: Just watch, the eventual Republican candidate will immediately begin tying Biden to Obama.

Is it safe to assume that Biden will be the VP candidate this time around? I think Biden will get swapped out for the most advantageous choice as soon as the GOP nominee selects their VP.

I don't see how Biden is going to hurt Obama, though. I haven't heard any embarrassing flubs from him recently, and he's been doing some stuff that will sound good on the campaign trail, like his trips around the world.

The biggest factor, though, is that if Obama kicks out Biden, it detracts from his big message of "the White House has been doing great; let us keep doing more." Inertia is powerful, and tossing it away unnecessarily wouldn't be wise.


Obama's not going to kick Biden out. I've never heard of an incumbent president replacing the VP during elections.
 
2012-01-06 06:35:15 PM  

AeAe: Obama's not going to kick Biden out. I've never heard of an incumbent president replacing the VP during elections.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-01-06 07:01:00 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Trying? Obama doesn't have to notice - they've been so god damn obstructionist, that EVERYONE is beginning to notice. Including my mother.


You were crying when Reid was pulling the same maneuvers in 2007, I can only assume.
 
2012-01-06 07:06:40 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Trying? Obama doesn't have to notice - they've been so god damn obstructionist, that EVERYONE is beginning to notice. Including my mother.


By the way, who has been more obstructionist? The House has passed 15 bills that quite a few democrats have agreed with (Link (new window)). Likewise, the House has actually passed a budget, the Senate has not done so for almost 3 years. Budgetary bills only need 50% majority and can't be filibustered btw..

But that doesn't play into liberals ideas of obstructionism does it?

Other measures have also passed. The Fraud Act of 2009 was a huge one. The Free Trade Agreements that passed last year were another huge one. So keep playing up your myth of obstructionism. It makes liberals look retarded. But they have played the message in the Media pretty well.
 
2012-01-06 07:40:17 PM  

MyRandomName: Darth_Lukecash: Trying? Obama doesn't have to notice - they've been so god damn obstructionist, that EVERYONE is beginning to notice. Including my mother.

You were crying when Reid was pulling the same maneuvers in 2007, I can only assume.


If Harry Reid jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?
 
2012-01-06 08:57:15 PM  

MindStalker: AeAe: Obama was (is) a disappointment, but he's still better than any of the Republican candidates.

He's only a disappointment because he spent 3 years trying desperately to compromise and work with congress. I don't know what made him finally snap, but I'm looking forward to a year of awesomeness.


Exactly my thought. The disappointment is that he has kowtowed to the Republicans for three years, when they -- who seem to have no interest other than obtaining and indiscriminately wielding power to the detriment of their own voter base -- have no desire to do anything that the Democrats may want. Bush and his toadies had no qualms about recess appointments and executive orders when they were in power, but the shoe is now on the other foot. I hope Obama and the Democrats have finally developed a spine and will aggressively pursue a legislative agenda tirelessly, if only to show that the Republicans have no desire to advance the interests of the people, but rather only enhance their own prestige and wallets.
 
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