violentsalvation: To bad he let a stray bullet hit a neighbor, otherwise he would deserve an award.

I think it was the victim who had shot an innocent bystander beforehand...although this story is somewhat convoluted.

Guy molests kid. Kid's father gets upset because he senses something is wrong. Guy takes assault rifle to shoot father of kid, but hits another guy in the face by accident. Bullet face guy dies from an OD later. Guy's friend gets angry, gives gun to kid to shoot the molester, gun is too heavy so friend shoots the guy 18 times? I think that's how it went down.

Kid's parents suspiciously absent from story, aside from the dad-targeted drive-by.

miss diminutive: Guy molests kid. Kid's father gets upset because he senses something is wrong. Guy takes assault rifle to shoot father of kid, but hits another guy in the face by accident. Bullet face guy dies from an OD later. Guy's friend gets angry, gives gun to kid to shoot the molester, gun is too heavy so friend shoots the guy 18 times? I think that's how it went down.

I think you nailed it. So this guy stopped a child molester, a would-be murderer and an actual murderer? I'm surprised his lawyer couldn't get a "heat of passion" claim and get the charges down further or dismissed.

miss diminutive: Guy molests kid. Kid's father gets upset because he senses something is wrong. Guy takes assault rifle to shoot father of kid, but hits another guy in the face by accident. Bullet face guy dies from an OD later. Guy's friend gets angry, gives gun to kid to shoot the molester, gun is too heavy so friend shoots the guy 18 times? I think that's how it went down.

Pretty much. Although can someone be termed your friend if they pump 18 rounds into you?

Hero tag sleeping?

Molavian: miss diminutive: Guy molests kid. Kid's father gets upset because he senses something is wrong. Guy takes assault rifle to shoot father of kid, but hits another guy in the face by accident. Bullet face guy dies from an OD later. Guy's friend gets angry, gives gun to kid to shoot the molester, gun is too heavy so friend shoots the guy 18 times? I think that's how it went down.

Pretty much. Although can someone be termed your friend if they pump 18 rounds into you?

Friends with hot lead benefits?

Here I was, all ready to call this obvious self-defense, but from TFA it looks like the threat had in fact been adequately neutralized well before the trigger was pulled. That makes this an execution, not self-defense, and thus an inappropriate killing. I do think there's a clear case for mitigation, as even the DA points out, and this seems to have been applied in the plea bargain.

Bottom line: I'm not sure I see a problem here.

miss diminutive: violentsalvation: To bad he let a stray bullet hit a neighbor, otherwise he would deserve an award.

I think it was the victim who had shot an innocent bystander beforehand...although this story is somewhat convoluted.

Guy molests kid. Kid's father gets upset because he senses something is wrong. Guy takes assault rifle to shoot father of kid, but hits another guy in the face by accident. Bullet face guy dies from an OD later. Guy's friend gets angry, gives gun to kid to shoot the molester, gun is too heavy so friend shoots the guy 18 times? I think that's how it went down.

Yep.

On the other hand, re this statement from the victim's mother:

"A mother's love never ceases and along with murdering my son, the defendant has also murdered a piece of my heart. ... Joe was 33 years old upon his death and he did not deserve to have his entire future taken from him with such brutality," the statement read.

No, actually; this particular man shouldn't have done it, but your son did in fact deserve to have his entire future taken from him, and frankly with far more brutality than he seems to have gotten. Where was that "piece of your heart" when you failed to teach your son not to rape little boys?

Never have I seen a more definitive and eloquent answer to the question, "Do you want Kung Fu?"

I'd be happy with a sentence of "time served".

Keeping this hero in jail is not protecting society in any way.

stucka: miss diminutive: Guy molests kid. Kid's father gets upset because he senses something is wrong. Guy takes assault rifle to shoot father of kid, but hits another guy in the face by accident. Bullet face guy dies from an OD later. Guy's friend gets angry, gives gun to kid to shoot the molester, gun is too heavy so friend shoots the guy 18 times? I think that's how it went down.

I think you nailed it. So this guy stopped a child molester, a would-be murderer and an actual murderer? I'm surprised his lawyer couldn't get a "heat of passion" claim and get the charges down further or dismissed.

Manslaughter is better than murder 2. I am not saying your theory is impossible, but very unlikely. Heat of passion usually does not get used with manslaughter. My guess is the negotiations started at murder 2 with heat of passion (~ 20 years) and then they settled on manslaughter where he was given 12 but will only serve 6. If was the DA I would decline to prosecute and let them fight it out in civil court. If the mommy of the child molester wants justice for her snowflake she can pay for it to happen.

I'm not saying he should have killed him, but I understand.

miss diminutive: violentsalvation: To bad he let a stray bullet hit a neighbor, otherwise he would deserve an award.

I think it was the victim who had shot an innocent bystander beforehand...although this story is somewhat convoluted.

Guy molests kid. Kid's father gets upset because he senses something is wrong. Guy takes assault rifle to shoot father of kid, but hits another guy in the face by accident. Bullet face guy dies from an OD later. Guy's friend finds out Guy was molesting kid when kid tells him he's afraid. Guy's friend gets angry, gives gun to kid to shoot the molester, gun is too heavy so friend shoots the guy 18 times? I think that's how it went down.

I think I FTFY...at least if my reeding comprehinshun is good.

Why'd you shoot him 18 times?

Ran out of ammo....

Maybe he should have called his dad first to get some advice before taking action...

fireclown: [www.bet.com image 628x353]
No way. What you do in that case is to contact a college football coach your own father IMMEDIATELY.


FTFY, THEN you and your dad go tell a coach. After a few days of thinking about it.

Hero.

He should have gave the rifle to the 13 yr old to use. Nobody goes to jail, and the kid gets free therapy.

miss diminutive: violentsalvation: To bad he let a stray bullet hit a neighbor, otherwise he would deserve an award.

I think it was the victim who had shot an innocent bystander beforehand...although this story is somewhat convoluted.

Guy molests kid. Kid's father gets upset because he senses something is wrong. Guy takes assault rifle to shoot father of kid, but hits another guy in the face by accident. Bullet face guy dies from an OD later. Guy's friend gets angry, gives gun to kid to shoot the molester, gun is too heavy so friend shoots the guy 18 times? I think that's how it went down.

Sounds right. I had to draw a little flow chart while reading this story though. Example: The boy reported that Kubiak told him about the apartment incident and that he feared for the boy's safety.

MileHigh: FTA: Kubiak, authorities said, had confessed to pumping 18 slugs from an automatic rifle into Joseph Brignoli on Super Bowl Sunday 2011.

It never fails...story about a shooting and you can guarantee that the article misidentifies the gun to make it sound scarier.

For what it's worth, it was an AR-15.
And the dude is a hero.
FARK Penn State.

CasperImproved: He should have gave the rifle to the 13 yr old to use. Nobody goes to jail, and the kid gets free therapy.

He did. It was too heavy for the kid.

I'd definitely argue that the guy was in a fit of rage. I mean... The thought of my child or one of my friend's children coming to me with that information? That, combined with my lack of understanding of firearms, would create the exact same situation. I'd have shot 18 times too, because I was enraged and because I wasn't sure the farker was dead.

Vigilante justice is bad, but real justice has fallen short on child rape on several occasions. I just can't bring myself to feel that this guy did something wrong.

MileHigh: FTA: Kubiak, authorities said, had confessed to pumping 18 slugs from an automatic rifle into Joseph Brignoli on Super Bowl Sunday 2011.

It never fails...story about a shooting and you can guarantee that the article misidentifies the gun to make it sound scarier.


/The guy deserved it

I read that too and first words I said were "Nope". When they identified the gun I just hung my head. What passes for journalism is scary today.

MileHigh: FTA: Kubiak, authorities said, had confessed to pumping 18 slugs from an automatic rifle into Joseph Brignoli on Super Bowl Sunday 2011.
It never fails...story about a shooting and you can guarantee that the article misidentifies the gun to make it sound scarier.
/The guy deserved it

Looks like we all got pissed about the same thing...

Well, same things, actually, because I see no moral quandary here.

/

honk: CasperImproved: He should have gave the rifle to the 13 yr old to use. Nobody goes to jail, and the kid gets free therapy.

He did. It was too heavy for the kid.

The failure of today's youth.

/dude deserved it

MileHigh: It never fails...story about a shooting and you can guarantee that the article misidentifies the gun to make it sound scarier.

It would be far scarier if it were 18 rounds with a bolt action rifle, because that would take a minute and a half.

18 rounds? What, did he run out of ammo?

unchelmatt: As long as that rhino horn is straight up his ass, I'm in complete and full agreement with the long slow death. Possibly we could smear his ass with pheremones (spelling) of female rhino and allow the rapist to get raped by the rhino. Just saying. . . .

abfalter: I'd be happy with a sentence of "time served".

That's what I was thinking. 11 months is already enough punishment for making the world a better place.

you have pee hands: MileHigh: It never fails...story about a shooting and you can guarantee that the article misidentifies the gun to make it sound scarier.

It would be far scarier if it were 18 rounds with a bolt action rifle, because that would take a minute and a half.

You owe me a new keyboard.

/and are quite correct.

Article made my head hurt.
/wat?

those all all some fairly farked up people down there.

(bugs bunny sawing off Fla. GIF)

punish him??? No way. Give him a medal and a boat load of ammo for his rifle.

Interesting -- because it wasn't like this guy was just downloading the pictures. He was actually diddling the kid. Which in my opinion he got exactly what he deserved.

I don't have kids - but if I did I could easily see going to any extreme to make sure someone who molested my child would pay. Just imagine the rate of molestation and how it would drop if pedophiles knew they would be quickly killed for doing what they did.

I will say that unless the gun owner had VERY specialized permits, the AR-15 was not a full auto rifle.

Sounds to me like the best chance this guy has is to get a jury trial - as long as there is one juror that has a child, he's pretty safe.

reillan: 18 rounds? What, did he run out of ammo?

AR-15s typically come with 20 and 30 round magazines. If it was a 20 round magazine, he definitely ran out of ammo since the ephebo had already fired it before he got there. If it was a 30 round magazine, it's more of a toss up since we don't know how many rounds ephebo fired at the kid's dad. If Kubiak didn't run out of ammo, he should be chastised for it.

NutWrench: MileHigh: FTA: Kubiak, authorities said, had confessed to pumping 18 slugs from an automatic rifle into Joseph Brignoli on Super Bowl Sunday 2011.

It never fails...story about a shooting and you can guarantee that the article misidentifies the gun to make it sound scarier.


/The guy deserved it

They even call it an "assault rifle" in the article. It's amazing how many "assault rifles" are out there.

Vigilante justice is bad, mkay?

That said, the world is a better place now that this man is no longer in it. And his mother needs to STFU because she raised a pedo/rapist.

/would have given him this same sentence
//then suspended it

unchellmatt: FTA: ""A mother's love never ceases and along with murdering my son, the defendant has also murdered a piece of my heart. ... Joe was 33 years old upon his death and he did not deserve to have his entire future taken from him with such brutality," the statement read."

You're son was a pedophile.

The only thing about his death that he didn't "deserve" as the speed at which he died. It should have taken long and involved sulfuric acid, lots and lots of needles, slow removal of body parts, and maybe an angry rhino. Oh and fire. Lots of fire.

Nah. He should have called over a pair of hard, pipe-hittin' n*ggas to work him over with a blowtorch and a pair of pliers.

He's gonna get midieval on his ass.

violentsalvation: To bad he let a stray bullet hit a neighbor, otherwise he would deserve an award.

You're confused, but that's understandable, since the writer of the FA can barely write at all. It was Brignoli, not Kubiak, who fired the stray bullet. FTFA:

"Brignoli went to the Palm Harbor apartment complex where the boy's father lived and fired multiple rounds from an assault rifle in the parking lot.

An errant bullet struck resident Jim Freeman in the face. Freeman, who did not know Brignoli, died about a week later from an accidental overdose of pain medication."

hailin: I always wonder what would happen if someone breaks into our house. I train regularly with our hand gun and am naturally a pretty good shot. However, I also train to empty the clip. The castle laws in Montana are pretty strong, but I wonder what people would think if they walked into our house to see a guy dead on the floor with ten rounds in him.

Since I'm a woman though, I bet it would be classified as self-defense with no jail time.

The key is to shoot him in such a way that he is upright the whole time. Then you can say he was still comming at you.

When you shoot him once he is down, that's when it becomes murder.

Those of you calling the shooter a "hero" and urging that he should walk, did you read all the way to the end? He wasn't exactly an angel himself.

FTFA: "At the time of his arrest, Kubiak was barred from the family home because of violent outbursts, she said. Kubiak was arrested at age 13 when he vandalized a school. He spent much of his youth in and out of juvenile detention facilities, Amy Kubiak said. As an adult, he was arrested on charges of disorderly conduct, battery on a law enforcement officer and carrying a concealed weapon."

Brignoli is dead, and that's a very good thing. And Kubiak is in prison before he kills somebody less deserving than Brignoli, which is also a good thing. If it were up to me I'd give him a handshake, a medal, and LWPOP.

Never has the phrase "and nothing of value was lost" been more appropriate.