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(Telegraph) Strange Scientists discover men and women have different personalities. Who knew?   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 21
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2012-01-06 10:58:10 AM
Who wants popcorn?
 
2012-01-06 11:00:35 AM
Gergesa: Who wants popcorn?

Sexist pig
 
2012-01-06 11:02:48 AM
dragonchild: Gergesa: Who wants popcorn?

Sexist pig


Well no butter for you!!
 
2012-01-06 11:06:37 AM
Me: Good morning.

Her: How did you sleep? I was tossing and turning all night... just couldn't get comfortable. Can you make lunch for the kids? Oh, and move the laundry from the washer to the dryer on your way out. Wait, did you say you're going to get the expense check today? Sign it and put it on the counter for me, I'll deposit it tomorrow. Do you really think my car needs a new battery? It's only 3 years old and I only ran it down twice! Should I get it at WalMart? They can put it in... I don't think you should. Take the trash out, too!
 
2012-01-06 11:17:59 AM
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2012-01-06 11:38:59 AM
This thread is unusually quiet given the subject matter. Is everyone passed out drunk?
 
2012-01-06 11:57:37 AM
Gergesa: This thread is unusually quiet given the subject matter. Is everyone passed out drunk?

We like to sleep indoors.
 
2012-01-06 11:58:10 AM
Gergesa: This thread is unusually quiet given the subject matter. Is everyone passed out drunk?

The thread is quiet because it doesn't say anything controversial. Everyone agrees with the fact that men and women are different. The majority of people even agree, I imagine, that certain types of jobs are more attractive to one sex over the other due to personality traits that are better suited to them.

To get things started you'd have to say something intriguing that gets people worked into a lather. For example: once women started hitting the work force and abandoning their traditional roles of "mom" and "homemaker" society started changing for the worse. Women were ill-equipped to handle the business world as it was, and men were ill-equipped to add anything to the home environment outside of occasional scolding, lecturing, and punishing of the children disguised as parenting. Both sexes are covering ground abandoned by the other, and neither is well-suited (evolutionarily) for the tasks at hand. Yet they try to shoehorn themselves into it because it's their "right".

Men use communication to influence an outcome and solve problems. Women use communication to establish bonds and nurture. Communication, therefore, is work for the male, and a source of comfort for the female. You can see how this would be a hindrance if men were, say, to attempt raising children and women were working in fields like engineering. Children want support, not analysis. R&D projects want solutions, not encouragement.
 
2012-01-06 12:04:57 PM
Is someone reaching? I think one of us is reaching.
 
2012-01-06 12:10:08 PM
WinoRhino: . You can see how this would be a hindrance if men were, say, to attempt raising children and women were working in fields like engineering. Children want support, not analysis. R&D projects want solutions, not encouragement.

Although a total troll, I'll bite. You want to see bad engineering projects? Engineer something without effective communication or a proper understanding of the client/customer/user needs. Fail, then hire someone like me. :D
 
2012-01-06 12:11:58 PM
WinoRhino: Gergesa: This thread is unusually quiet given the subject matter. Is everyone passed out drunk?

The thread is quiet because it doesn't say anything controversial. Everyone agrees with the fact that men and women are different. The majority of people even agree, I imagine, that certain types of jobs are more attractive to one sex over the other due to personality traits that are better suited to them.


And to suggest such a thing would imply that men and women are not equal, and we can't have any talk like that.
 
2012-01-06 12:21:19 PM
Hyjamon: And to suggest such a thing would imply that men and women are not equal, and we can't have any talk like that.

Apples and oranges are both fruit, but how can you compare the two as being "equal"? That's the problem. Better still: a hammer and a screwdriver are both tools that fill specific needs and are designed for certain tasks. Deciding if they are equal is silly. Men, on the whole, are physically stronger than women. Inherently, they are not equal.
 
2012-01-06 12:23:11 PM
atheneschild: Although a total troll

Such a ridiculously overused term. It's lost all meaning.
 
2012-01-06 12:25:47 PM
WinoRhino: The thread is quiet because it doesn't say anything controversial. Everyone agrees with the fact that men and women are different. The majority of people even agree, I imagine, that certain types of jobs are more attractive to one sex over the other due to personality traits that are better suited to them.

Well, there are people who'd take issue with it, but they're increasingly marginalized these days. I don't have a dog in this fight because I don't really think about it in terms of which gender is superior anyway, and neither does TFA. It just says we're different, in ways we knew all along. The usual exceptions apply.

And there's the rub. I LIKE the exceptions. I know how men are and how women are, and they suck. I've always gravitated toward laid-back guys and sexual outcasts (as friends) and geeky girls (as friends and/or dates) because they're less "gender". I don't need someone to be asexual -- life is boring without libido -- but I've found that the more gender plays in shaping one's personality, the stupider that person is. No exception to this rule comes to mind, at all. If you think gender roles exist, you're sane. If you think they're important (and that goes for the people try to deny them as well); there's almost a 100% certainty you're retarded.

"MAN" is the idiot who commutes through the suburbs in an F-350 with truck nuts despite not being able to afford the gas, raging at everyone around him. "WOMAN" is the biatchy drama queen who thinks a boyfriend who didn't get up at 3 AM (after working a 20-hour shift) to get her ice cream is the worst thing to ever happen to her life. "MAN" is the tragically retarded derphead who counts how many women he's slept with, treats everything like a competition and votes for "tough on crime"/"bomb Iran"/"guns God & gays" because it's MANLY to do so, even if it's clear the candidate is actively out to fark everything else up -- and farks us all over in the process. "WOMAN" is the backstabbing whore who puts the guy who genuinely cares about her on the "friends" list -- or, worse yet, marries him for the money & security -- while farking biker dudes and unemployed band members, then goes on national TV to weep about how it's all his fault for not giving her enough attention.

People can be smart, but only if they're people. Individuals who think with their brains make the most interesting, empathic and stable people I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. "MAN" and "WOMAN" suck; they're emotional, irrational retards competing for smelliest turd in the septic tank.
 
2012-01-06 12:27:44 PM
dragonchild: People can be smart, but only if they're people

. . . "as opposed to 'men' and 'women'" part got omitted for some reason.
 
2012-01-06 12:33:29 PM
WinoRhino: Everyone agrees with the fact that men and women are different. The majority of people even agree, I imagine, that certain types of jobs are more attractive to one sex over the other due to personality traits that are better suited to them.

I'm not certain about that as the article mentions the conclusion is the opposite of established wisdom on the matter. Additionally a number of fark threads have had people saying that there aren't any significant differences between the genders it is socialization. Although not directly commented on it appears(at least the way I read it) the article is arguing for a nature being the dominate factor for personality.

So I would have guessed the same group appearing and arguing that personality differences are not connected to gender but to environment
 
2012-01-06 12:47:10 PM
WinoRhino: neither is well-suited (evolutionarily) for the tasks at hand

The problem with invoking evolutionary fitness is that we're still tuned to caveman life. Agriculture, cities, etc. haven't been around enough generations to affect the genetic aspects of our personalities.

/in the unlikely event I understand correctly
 
2012-01-06 01:18:27 PM
Like most of these articles, the journalist is pulling things out of his ass that aren't in the study. And the study fails to account for stereotype threat.
 
2012-01-06 08:20:09 PM
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The Most Underappreciated Fact

The first big, basic difference has to do with what I consider to be the most underappreciated fact about gender. Consider this question: What percent of our ancestors were women?

It's not a trick question, and it's not 50%. True, about half the people who ever lived were women, but that's not the question. We're asking about all the people who ever lived who have a descendant living today. Or, put another way, yes, every baby has both a mother and a father, but some of those parents had multiple children.

Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today's human population is descended from twice as many women as men.

I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.

Right now our field is having a lively debate about how much behavior can be explained by evolutionary theory. But if evolution explains anything at all, it explains things related to reproduction, because reproduction is at the heart of natural selection. Basically, the traits that were most effective for reproduction would be at the center of evolutionary psychology. It would be shocking if these vastly different reproductive odds for men and women failed to produce some personality differences.

For women throughout history (and prehistory), the odds of reproducing have been pretty good. Later in this talk we will ponder things like, why was it so rare for a hundred women to get together and build a ship and sail off to explore unknown regions, whereas men have fairly regularly done such things? But taking chances like that would be stupid, from the perspective of a biological organism seeking to reproduce. They might drown or be killed by savages or catch a disease. For women, the optimal thing to do is go along with the crowd, be nice, play it safe. The odds are good that men will come along and offer sex and you'll be able to have babies. All that matters is choosing the best offer. We're descended from women who played it safe.

For men, the outlook was radically different. If you go along with the crowd and play it safe, the odds are you won't have children. Most men who ever lived did not have descendants who are alive today. Their lines were dead ends. Hence it was necessary to take chances, try new things, be creative, explore other possibilities. Sailing off into the unknown may be risky, and you might drown or be killed or whatever, but then again if you stay home you won't reproduce anyway. We're most descended from the type of men who made the risky voyage and managed to come back rich. In that case he would finally get a good chance to pass on his genes. We're descended from men who took chances (and were lucky).

The huge difference in reproductive success very likely contributed to some personality differences, because different traits pointed the way to success. Women did best by minimizing risks, whereas the successful men were the ones who took chances. Ambition and competitive striving probably mattered more to male success (measured in offspring) than female. Creativity was probably more necessary, to help the individual man stand out in some way. Even the sex drive difference was relevant: For many men, there would be few chances to reproduce and so they had to be ready for every sexual opportunity. If a man said "not today, I have a headache," he might miss his only chance.

Another crucial point. The danger of having no children is only one side of the male coin. Every child has a biological mother and father, and so if there were only half as many fathers as mothers among our ancestors, then some of those fathers had lots of children.

Look at it this way. Most women have only a few children, and hardly any have more than a dozen - but many fathers have had more than a few, and some men have actually had several dozen, even hundreds of kids.

In terms of the biological competition to produce offspring, then, men outnumbered women both among the losers and among the biggest winners.

To put this in more subjective terms: When I walk around and try to look at men and women as if seeing them for the first time, it's hard to escape the impression (sorry, guys!) that women are simply more likeable and lovable than men. (This I think explains the "WAW effect" mentioned earlier.) Men might wish to be lovable, and men can and do manage to get women to love them (so the ability is there), but men have other priorities, other motivations. For women, being lovable was the key to attracting the best mate. For men, however, it was more a matter of beating out lots of other men even to have a chance for a mate.

Tradeoffs again: perhaps nature designed women to seek to be lovable, whereas men were designed to strive, mostly unsuccessfully, for greatness.

And it was worth it, even despite the "mostly unsuccessfully" part. Experts estimate Genghis Khan had several hundred and perhaps more than a thousand children. He took big risks and eventually conquered most of the known world. For him, the big risks led to huge payoffs in offspring. My point is that no woman, even if she conquered twice as much territory as Genghis Khan, could have had a thousand children. Striving for greatness in that sense offered the human female no such biological payoff. For the man, the possibility was there, and so the blood of Genghis Khan runs through a large segment of today's human population. By definition, only a few men can achieve greatness, but for the few men who do, the gains have been real. And we are descended from those great men much more than from other men. Remember, most of the mediocre men left no descendants at all.

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2012-01-06 09:15:01 PM
dragonchild:
And there's the rub. I LIKE the exceptions.


Articles like this always piss off them people who are exceptions. The anomalies. My father is a kind sensitive emotional sort who fixes engines and welds. My mother has the empathy of a killer robot and likes roses on goddamned everything. Things never match up to some supposed standard. And there's a certain percentage of people play acting to match up to what they think they are supposed to be like.
 
2012-01-06 09:23:43 PM
WinoRhino:
Men use communication to influence an outcome and solve problems. Women use communication to establish bonds and nurture. Communication, therefore, is work for the male, and a source of comfort for the female.


I use communication primarily as a way to transmit and receive information. Terrible at establishing bonds. I loathe the telephone. If I've been on friendly terms with you for years in person and I move away, there's little chance I'll stay in contact with you. However, if you've been communicating with me through e-mail for the last 15 years, I will keep e-mailing you. And I expect to be amused somehow.
 
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