Being likable apparently goes a long way.

It's been my opinion for awhile that the Chargers have been keeping Norv around to alienate the fanbase so when they move to LA no one will care.

justabitdisturbed: It's been my opinion for awhile that the Chargers have been keeping Norv around to alienate the fanbase so when they move to LA no one will care.

With what money? The Spanos are broke as f*ck right now.

justabitdisturbed: It's been my opinion for awhile that the Chargers have been keeping Norv around to alienate the fanbase so when they move to LA no one will care.

Nah, Norv has dirt on someone.

justabitdisturbed: It's been my opinion for awhile that the Chargers have been keeping Norv around to alienate the fanbase so when they move to LA no one will care.

justabitdisturbed: It's been my opinion for awhile that the Chargers have been keeping Norv around to alienate the fanbase so when they move to LA no one will care.

That assumes that anyone would have cared at all. I'm not too sure that's the case.

I enjoyed the headline.

justabitdisturbed: It's been my opinion for awhile that the Chargers have been keeping Norv around to alienate the fanbase so when they move to LA no one will care.

I never thought of it like that. I always thought that they just liked to watch the playoffs from their homes where the temperature never goes below 75. If I were them I wouldn't want to play a January game in New England either.

I think the real reason Norv was kept around is twofold- 1) Philip Rivers has his back and the owners approve of Philip as their franchise QB 2) If you remove Norv and AJ you have to completely blow it up, which means rebuilding, which means the Chargers will be further out of contention in a very winnable division for a year or three.

As far as the defensive coordinator, this guy is just the sacrificial lamb. AJ farked the defense talentwise and the defense can't manage to stay healthy for 5 minutes. How long did Bob Sanders last? 3 games? They need to shore up the line and LB corps with depth and learn to stop the run. They have some DB talent that can help with the pass already.

Personally, I wish they'd deal Vincent Jackson for some picks, depth, something. Dude doesn't even go for balls anymore. I remember watching one game a few weeks ago where Rivers through a ball that was catchable if Jackson extended his arms on his jump, but instead he jumped and literally kept his arms at his side like he was diving off a diving board trying to go straight down and the ball went right into a DBs hands behind him. At worst, Jackson could have deflected the ball preventing the INT, but instead he makes no effort at all on the ball and it's an easy INT. It's not an isolated incident, either. Jackson's lack of effort causes too many turnovers and kills too many drives

vinnydoz007: I enjoyed the headline.

Whoa.

How can they for sure squander talent into another decade if they don't keep Norv? Sure it's a good possibility a new coach would screw it all up too, but can they be sure? They can't! It's a fine line to walk to be so good, stink so bad, and never a top 10 pick for being so shiatty.

bhcompy: I think the real reason Norv was kept around is twofold- 1) Philip Rivers has his back and the owners approve of Philip as their franchise QB 2) If you remove Norv and AJ you have to completely blow it up, which means rebuilding, which means the Chargers will be further out of contention in a very winnable division for a year or three.

This. With the NFL's significant increase in 3-6 positions in the playoffs going to the Super Bowl, and the ease of making the playoffs in the AFC West, blowing it up's a bad idea, even if the team's ceiling doesn't appear to be championship material at first glance.

Honestly I'm okay with norv

AJ MUST GO, however

SoCalSurfer: Honestly I'm okay with norv

AJ MUST GO, however

I agree. AJ seems to have made a lot of questionable decisions like the whole VJ saga, a lot of his recent draft picks, etc.

If Rivers says Norv is a good coach he'd know better than I would.

bhcompy: I think the real reason Norv was kept around is twofold- 1) Philip Rivers has his back and the owners approve of Philip as their franchise QB 2) If you remove Norv and AJ you have to completely blow it up, which means rebuilding, which means the Chargers will be further out of contention in a very winnable division for a year or three.

As far as the defensive coordinator, this guy is just the sacrificial lamb. AJ farked the defense talentwise and the defense can't manage to stay healthy for 5 minutes. How long did Bob Sanders last? 3 games? They need to shore up the line and LB corps with depth and learn to stop the run. They have some DB talent that can help with the pass already.

Personally, I wish they'd deal Vincent Jackson for some picks, depth, something. Dude doesn't even go for balls anymore. I remember watching one game a few weeks ago where Rivers through a ball that was catchable if Jackson extended his arms on his jump, but instead he jumped and literally kept his arms at his side like he was diving off a diving board trying to go straight down and the ball went right into a DBs hands behind him. At worst, Jackson could have deflected the ball preventing the INT, but instead he makes no effort at all on the ball and it's an easy INT. It's not an isolated incident, either. Jackson's lack of effort causes too many turnovers and kills too many drives

Really? I don't think you'd have to blow it up. The team's talent is pretty good, though it could use some depth.

Pratty: Really? I don't think you'd have to blow it up. The team's talent is pretty good, though it could use some depth.

Well, they didn't go in a different direction after firing Marty with Norv. Why replace Norv unless you're going to make fundamental changes to offensive and defensive philosophy, staffing, etc? That's really the issue. If you don't blow it up, what's the point? The chance of having something like Harbaugh did in SF is highly unlikely.

bhcompy: Pratty: Really? I don't think you'd have to blow it up. The team's talent is pretty good, though it could use some depth.

Well, they didn't go in a different direction after firing Marty with Norv. Why replace Norv unless you're going to make fundamental changes to offensive and defensive philosophy, staffing, etc? That's really the issue. If you don't blow it up, what's the point? The chance of having something like Harbaugh did in SF is highly unlikely.

You don't have to blow it up to make fundamental changes to offensive and defensive philosophy.

The SDs are a good coach, a #1 WR and some defensive depth. I don't think Norv properly uses his backfield, calls bad timeouts and his players like him because he's lax. The team has a lot of talent, it's just not being utilized properly, and you don't need to blow it up to bring in someone to utilize it.

Pratty: The SDs are a good coach, a #1 WR and some defensive depth. I don't think Norv properly uses his backfield, calls bad timeouts and his players like him because he's lax. The team has a lot of talent, it's just not being utilized properly, and you don't need to blow it up to bring in someone to utilize it.

Agreed. The Bucs didn't blow up their team when Jon Gruden came on board, he just made their offense more effective so they could win a Super Bowl. And Tony Dungy made the Colts defense good without blowing anything up so that they could win a Super Bowl. Plus, maybe a different coach could help keep Rivers' emotions in check so that he doesn't implode in the playoffs.

Pratty: bhcompy: Pratty: Really? I don't think you'd have to blow it up. The team's talent is pretty good, though it could use some depth.

Well, they didn't go in a different direction after firing Marty with Norv. Why replace Norv unless you're going to make fundamental changes to offensive and defensive philosophy, staffing, etc? That's really the issue. If you don't blow it up, what's the point? The chance of having something like Harbaugh did in SF is highly unlikely.

You don't have to blow it up to make fundamental changes to offensive and defensive philosophy.

The SDs are a good coach, a #1 WR and some defensive depth away from being a contender. I don't think Norv properly uses his backfield, calls bad timeouts and his players like him because he's lax. The team has a lot of talent, it's just not being utilized properly, and you don't need to blow it up to bring in someone to utilize it.

Fixed it for me.

AdmirableSnackbar: Pratty: The SDs are a good coach, a #1 WR and some defensive depth. I don't think Norv properly uses his backfield, calls bad timeouts and his players like him because he's lax. The team has a lot of talent, it's just not being utilized properly, and you don't need to blow it up to bring in someone to utilize it.

Agreed. The Bucs didn't blow up their team when Jon Gruden came on board, he just made their offense more effective so they could win a Super Bowl. And Tony Dungy made the Colts defense good without blowing anything up so that they could win a Super Bowl. Plus, maybe a different coach could help keep Rivers' emotions in check so that he doesn't implode in the playoffs.

The problem is that if you go into the third regime with just changing the coach but continuing the system, doesn't that indicate that the system is the problem and not the coach? That's why I say that if you go a new direction you're going to have to blow it up, otherwise, what's the point? Why not just have kept Marty all along?

bhcompy: AdmirableSnackbar: Pratty: The SDs are a good coach, a #1 WR and some defensive depth. I don't think Norv properly uses his backfield, calls bad timeouts and his players like him because he's lax. The team has a lot of talent, it's just not being utilized properly, and you don't need to blow it up to bring in someone to utilize it.

Agreed. The Bucs didn't blow up their team when Jon Gruden came on board, he just made their offense more effective so they could win a Super Bowl. And Tony Dungy made the Colts defense good without blowing anything up so that they could win a Super Bowl. Plus, maybe a different coach could help keep Rivers' emotions in check so that he doesn't implode in the playoffs.

The problem is that if you go into the third regime with just changing the coach but continuing the system, doesn't that indicate that the system is the problem and not the coach? That's why I say that if you go a new direction you're going to have to blow it up, otherwise, what's the point? Why not just have kept Marty all along?

That's the thing, they should have kept Marty, but they decided Martyball wouldn't win, so they brought it...someone who is basically a worse Martyballer.

There's a reason a lot of people are calling for AJ too, but I'd rather see what happens if they got a real coach instead of Norv, who was a downgrade from Marty. The firing and hiring of that was not because of anything on the field, but because Marty wanted to hire his brother Kurt for D-coord and Spanos is against family hirings. That's it.

bhcompy: AdmirableSnackbar: Pratty: The SDs are a good coach, a #1 WR and some defensive depth. I don't think Norv properly uses his backfield, calls bad timeouts and his players like him because he's lax. The team has a lot of talent, it's just not being utilized properly, and you don't need to blow it up to bring in someone to utilize it.

Agreed. The Bucs didn't blow up their team when Jon Gruden came on board, he just made their offense more effective so they could win a Super Bowl. And Tony Dungy made the Colts defense good without blowing anything up so that they could win a Super Bowl. Plus, maybe a different coach could help keep Rivers' emotions in check so that he doesn't implode in the playoffs.

The problem is that if you go into the third regime with just changing the coach but continuing the system, doesn't that indicate that the system is the problem and not the coach? That's why I say that if you go a new direction you're going to have to blow it up, otherwise, what's the point? Why not just have kept Marty all along?

No, because it's not just the system that decides games. How coaches use their systems decide games. Having a team's playbook only tells you what types of plays they can run; how and when they use those plays - and with what players - is what is important. Firing Marty was the correct decision because he's never going to win a Super Bowl. Hiring Norv was the wrong decision because he's never going to win a Super Bowl. Keeping Norv is the wrong decision for the same reason. All the Chargers are doing is wasting an opportunity in 2012 by keeping their head coach, same with the Eagles.

I doubt the Chargers could be any worse if they let go of Norv Turner, but if you guys wanna see that garbage for another season, go ahead!