Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

bdub77: Allowing a company to patent life was one of the dumbest decisions ever made.

Agreed.

Every time I see the word 'eggplant' I think of:

muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Yeah but if it wasn't for Agent Orange the farking Viet Cong would be running Portland. How'd you like that shiat?

muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

LOL! You're funny, and retarded too.

Occam's Chainsaw: What's going to be downright entertaining is when we start really skirting that fuzzy line at the edge of strong AI, and we're left with a snippet of code that is arguably "alive" and can reason, possibly enough so to be declared legally competent and make its own decisions, and that will be wholly owned by whatever company holds the copyright.

Which is one of the reasons I oppose AI research. Not because I think any AI we create would be inherently evil and try to kill us all. But because, as you said, we'll treat it as a thing. Something to be owned. (At which point, yes, it might try to rebel, but we half deserve it then).

Basically, I oppose AI research 'cause I don't trust *us*. =/.

Okay, I hate Monsanto as much as anyone. Possibly more because they make GMOs an alarm bell in anybody's ear, but India of all people should know the benefits of the green revolution more than anybody, seeing as the last round of it saved north of a billion lives worldwide, and most of those in India itself.

Honestly, they should tell Monsanto to go fark itself, steal their research, and use it themselves. There's a difference between hating on GMOs (Which is frankly stupid) and hating what corporations do when given control over a necessity of life (Which is perfectly reasonable.)

Kinek: Okay, I hate Monsanto as much as anyone. Possibly more because they make GMOs an alarm bell in anybody's ear, but India of all people should know the benefits of the green revolution more than anybody, seeing as the last round of it saved north of a billion lives worldwide, and most of those in India itself.

Honestly, they should tell Monsanto to go fark itself, steal their research, and use it themselves. There's a difference between hating on GMOs (Which is frankly stupid) and hating what corporations do when given control over a necessity of life (Which is perfectly reasonable.)

Meh, that will simply transfer into the former unchanged, and a new weapon that nations use against each other in cultural warfare. You can protect the breeds but can you protect the seeds?

Greed will be humanity's ultimate downfall.

Too bad, when you consider we have the collective brains to live in a responsible way, instead of treating the planet like parasites would a host.

HelloMyNameIs: Kinek: Okay, I hate Monsanto as much as anyone. Possibly more because they make GMOs an alarm bell in anybody's ear, but India of all people should know the benefits of the green revolution more than anybody, seeing as the last round of it saved north of a billion lives worldwide, and most of those in India itself.

Honestly, they should tell Monsanto to go fark itself, steal their research, and use it themselves. There's a difference between hating on GMOs (Which is frankly stupid) and hating what corporations do when given control over a necessity of life (Which is perfectly reasonable.)

Meh, that will simply transfer into the former unchanged, and a new weapon that nations use against each other in cultural warfare. You can protect the breeds but can you protect the seeds?

So the problem is that people are right bastards, not that GMOs are bad? I'm glad we agree then.

bdub77: Allowing a company to patent life was one of the dumbest decisions ever made.

This.

I could see giving a company a patent for a genetic component that they created but that doesn't give them dibs on the whole thing.

It's like if I patented an a microchip for the ipad, I would therefore own the patent for the ipad

meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

Explain to me what the hell organic means, and how seeds could not be organic?

meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

I'm laughing at the guy because i've done my best to try to spread organic heirloom tomatoes to as many who want them as i can, including hundreds of seeds already sent here on fark. Some "hydrid(as he put it)" varieties are also worth trying, and many are working trying to stablilize them into OP varieties. I belong to various seed banks and exchange groups, but it is funny to see the ignorant guy assuming I buy all me seeds from Burpee, as if that means anything even if were true. It was a great contribution to the thread.

Kinek: meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

Explain to me what the hell organic means, and how seeds could not be organic?

Oganic in Chemistry means carbon based compounds. In gardening it means using only natural things in the growing process. There are more links out there if you need more help understanding the concept. Try using the google search engine for some good results.

muck4doo: Kinek: meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

Explain to me what the hell organic means, and how seeds could not be organic?

Oganic in Chemistry means carbon based compounds. In gardening it means using only natural things in the growing process. There are more links out there if you need more help understanding the concept. Try using the google search engine for some good results.

Explain to me what the hell Natural means?

//These stupid terms need to die. Right now.

Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

Explain to me what the hell organic means, and how seeds could not be organic?

Oganic in Chemistry means carbon based compounds. In gardening it means using only natural things in the growing process. There are more links out there if you need more help understanding the concept. Try using the google search engine for some good results.

Explain to me what the hell Natural means?

//These stupid terms need to die. Right now.

Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

Kinek: it saved north of a billion lives worldwide, and most of those in India itself

Yeah, see, here's the thing. Was it worth it? Those billions of lives will go on to produce billions more lives, thus exacerbating the problem.

muck4doo: Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

Explain to me what the hell organic means, and how seeds could not be organic?

Oganic in Chemistry means carbon based compounds. In gardening it means using only natural things in the growing process. There are more links out there if you need more help understanding the concept. Try using the google search engine for some good results.

Explain to me what the hell Natural means?

//These stupid terms need to die. Right now.

Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

I'm not sure you entirely understand how plants are modified. I'm pretty sure of it in fact. Modified plants, even hybrids are changed through fairly natural methods that have been occuring for thousands of years. Viral vectoring is responsible for many copy genes in the human genome, as well as intronic DNA. The method that way is sound. The plants are given tools. Tools they would have developed on their own after a significant time, we just give them a hand. All it takes is a string of DNA and they do the work themselves. Nothing is 'Chemically manufactured' except by the plant itself.

In this particular case, the Bt line of modifications keep off mostly insect pests, reducing the need for pesticide, which can get into water and hurt people.

As for your argument from naturalness, corn is unnatural. Almonds are unnatural. Any domesticated crop you eat today is unnatural. Unless of course you admit that humans influencing things -is- natural. In which case I ask, why should we be using stone age tools while there are hunger issues that can be solved if there weren't fear-mongering idiots like yourself.

It's easy to argue against GMOs when you have a full stomach.

But like I said before, Monsanto's practices are not in line with pretty much anything most scientists would tell you to do. They are corporate greed, and they give GMOs a bad name. I hope they die. But don't for a moment think that GMOs are bad because some guy in a suit decided to be a greedy farkwit.

James F. Campbell: Kinek: it saved north of a billion lives worldwide, and most of those in India itself

Yeah, see, here's the thing. Was it worth it? Those billions of lives will go on to produce billions more lives, thus exacerbating the problem.

Wait. Are you really advocating just letting people die?

muck4doo: Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

Does metallurgy count as non-chemical? If no, that would mean metal's out. Obviously plastic tools are out too, those thing leach BPAs like crazy, let alone being unnatural. Do you use solely wood and stone tools?

Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

Explain to me what the hell organic means, and how seeds could not be organic?

Oganic in Chemistry means carbon based compounds. In gardening it means using only natural things in the growing process. There are more links out there if you need more help understanding the concept. Try using the google search engine for some good results.

Explain to me what the hell Natural means?

//These stupid terms need to die. Right now.

Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

I'm not sure you entirely understand how plants are modified. I'm pretty sure of it in fact. Modified plants, even hybrids are changed through fairly natural methods that have been occuring for thousands of years. Viral vectoring is responsible for many copy genes in the human genome, as well as intronic DNA. The method that way is sound. The plants are given tools. Tools they would have developed on their own after a significant time, we just give them a hand. All it takes is a string of DNA and they do the work themselves. Nothing is 'Chemically manufactured' except by the plant itself.

In this particular case, the Bt line of modifications keep off mostly insect pests, reducing the need for pesticide, which can get into water and hurt people.

As for your argument from naturalness, corn is unnatural. Almonds are unnatural. Any domesticated crop you eat today is unnatural. Unless of course you admit that humans influencing things -is- natural. In which case I ask, why should we be using stone age tools while there are hunger issues that can b ...

Sounds like you have a lot of nature in mind.

shizukanavix: muck4doo: Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

Does metallurgy count as non-chemical? If no, that would mean metal's out. Obviously plastic tools are out too, those thing leach BPAs like crazy, let alone being unnatural. Do you use solely wood and stone tools?

I'm pretty sure everything in existence is chemically manufactured by some process or another. I think he lives in a vaccuum.

shizukanavix: muck4doo: Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

Does metallurgy count as non-chemical? If no, that would mean metal's out. Obviously plastic tools are out too, those thing leach BPAs like crazy, let alone being unnatural. Do you use solely wood and stone tools?

Do ores naturally exist in nature? Do PCB's and styrofoams? Don't be a dumbass.

Kinek: shizukanavix: muck4doo: Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

Does metallurgy count as non-chemical? If no, that would mean metal's out. Obviously plastic tools are out too, those thing leach BPAs like crazy, let alone being unnatural. Do you use solely wood and stone tools?

I'm pretty sure everything in existence is chemically manufactured by some process or another. I think he lives in a vaccuum.

It's all the same, right? Go on you Monsanto guy.

muck4doo: Do ores naturally exist in nature? Do PCB's and styrofoams? Don't be a dumbass.

Wow. You are hardcore, you don't even use steel. How do you get on the internet with your bamboo and wheatgrass computer?

muck4doo: Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

Explain to me what the hell organic means, and how seeds could not be organic?

Oganic in Chemistry means carbon based compounds. In gardening it means using only natural things in the growing process. There are more links out there if you need more help understanding the concept. Try using the google search engine for some good results.

Explain to me what the hell Natural means?

//These stupid terms need to die. Right now.

Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

I'm not sure you entirely understand how plants are modified. I'm pretty sure of it in fact. Modified plants, even hybrids are changed through fairly natural methods that have been occuring for thousands of years. Viral vectoring is responsible for many copy genes in the human genome, as well as intronic DNA. The method that way is sound. The plants are given tools. Tools they would have developed on their own after a significant time, we just give them a hand. All it takes is a string of DNA and they do the work themselves. Nothing is 'Chemically manufactured' except by the plant itself.

In this particular case, the Bt line of modifications keep off mostly insect pests, reducing the need for pesticide, which can get into water and hurt people.

As for your argument from naturalness, corn is unnatural. Almonds are unnatural. Any domesticated crop you eat today is unnatural. Unless of course you admit that humans influencing things -is- natural. In which case I ask, why should we be using stone age tools while there are hunger issues tha ...

That's your pithy reply?

muck4doo: shizukanavix: muck4doo: Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

Does metallurgy count as non-chemical? If no, that would mean metal's out. Obviously plastic tools are out too, those thing leach BPAs like crazy, let alone being unnatural. Do you use solely wood and stone tools?

Do ores naturally exist in nature? Do PCB's and styrofoams? Don't be a dumbass.

Refined metals do not occur in nature. So no. You have to do something to them. So admit it. You're a farking hypocrite. Naturalness is a bunch of hokey bullcrap made up by advertisers and people who want to feel better than other people. Look me in the eye and tell me e. Coli producing insulin and saving lives is wrong.

Monsanto: truly one of the most evil corporations in the world.

shizukanavix: muck4doo: Do ores naturally exist in nature? Do PCB's and styrofoams? Don't be a dumbass.

Wow. You are hardcore, you don't even use steel. How do you get on the internet with your bamboo and wheatgrass computer?

He might have a few ideas...

Fantastic book. Read it. fark Monsanto.

shizukanavix: muck4doo: Do ores naturally exist in nature? Do PCB's and styrofoams? Don't be a dumbass.

Wow. You are hardcore, you don't even use steel. How do you get on the internet with your bamboo and wheatgrass computer?

Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: muck4doo: Kinek: meat0918: StoneColdAtheist: muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

/Organic home grower

Using Burpee Hydrid Seeds doesn't count.

They have organic hybrid seeds, I've seen and used a few of them.

Monsanto needs to DIAF.

Explain to me what the hell organic means, and how seeds could not be organic?

Oganic in Chemistry means carbon based compounds. In gardening it means using only natural things in the growing process. There are more links out there if you need more help understanding the concept. Try using the google search engine for some good results.

Explain to me what the hell Natural means?

//These stupid terms need to die. Right now.

Weird concept, I know. It means things occurring in nature without having to be chemically manufactured. People survived that way for thousands of years. Hilarious, I know.

I'm not sure you entirely understand how plants are modified. I'm pretty sure of it in fact. Modified plants, even hybrids are changed through fairly natural methods that have been occuring for thousands of years. Viral vectoring is responsible for many copy genes in the human genome, as well as intronic DNA. The method that way is sound. The plants are given tools. Tools they would have developed on their own after a significant time, we just give them a hand. All it takes is a string of DNA and they do the work themselves. Nothing is 'Chemically manufactured' except by the plant itself.

In this particular case, the Bt line of modifications keep off mostly insect pests, reducing the need for pesticide, which can get into water and hurt people.

As for your argument from naturalness, corn is unnatural. Almonds are unnatural. Any domesticated crop you eat today is unnatural. Unless of course you admit that humans influencing things -is- natural. In which case I ask, why should we be using stone age tools while there are hunger ...

The basic materials to make whatever you want are all out there, therefore all is natural. We get the stupid point at the top of your pointy heads. Enjoy the crap you eat.

tag get outsourced?

Kinek: Wait. Are you really advocating just letting people die?

Our planet's resources are limited. The ability of human beings to reproduce is not. As long as these two things are true, people will die. Modern agriculture is not sustainable. (new window)

James F. Campbell: As long as these two things are true, people will die.

Well, ha-ha, people will die anyway, of course, but I meant "people will die of starvation" since that's the topic at hand.

Kinek, what happens when we feed those billions and they go on to create more billions? Do we feed them as well? At what point does it stop? Does the earth have an unlimited capacity? What is the democratic solution to overpopulation?

Do you think it better to simply feed everyone until we suddenly aren't able to feed anyone at all?

The Windup Girl
By: Paolo Bacigalupi

Calorie companies rule the world, the oil age has passed, and the side effects of bio-engineered plagues run rampant across the globe. What Happens when calories become currency? What happens when bio-terrorism becomes a tool for corporate profits, when said bio-terrorism's genetic drift forces mankind to the cusp of post-human evolution?

WelldeadLink: A middle class and education seem to be the solution... or whatever made the developed countries' birth rate become negative.

Now ask yourself if the whole world can afford to sustain the Western lifestyle, and if so, for how long.

muck4doo: Good! I want to see that company die already. If you think what they do is good you are an farking idiot.

Well, it depends what part of what they do you're talking about. On the one hand, they're the reason only people in Africa are starving instead of the vast majority of the world (because lots of Africa has huge supply-chain problems). Letting people be alive and not starving with technology is one of its morally good applications. Their IP protections, though, are pretty shifty, mostly because controlling the food supply for profit is going, in the end to rub people the wrong way given that it's kind of a basic necessity.

So kind of a multi-faceted question, really. The only solution that would keep the positive (inventing better farming products and methods constantly) and mitigate the negative (draconian IP protection) would be to nationalize the company, and, well, very few countries and industries have really pulled that one off with a big, basic industry without farking it up some other way. So leaving it as is is kind of the course of wisdom at the moment, though everyone's keeping their ears open for alternatives, I'm sure.

/Organic home grower

Ooooooh, you object to Monsanto because you're stupid. Got it, that's different, then.

Someone trying to corner the market on the world's food supply... Wasn't that the plot of one of the James Bond movies?