You mean wiping your hands off on your pant leg isn't enough? The hell you say!

Nice tag choice, 'mitter.

Dammit Doug!

Subby: Only 1 in 3 medical students doctors knows to wash their hands after coming into contact with the barf/fluids of the patient they saw just before they see you. Don't worry though, last year only 100,000 people croaked as a result

FIFY

You can let your dog lick your face.

You can eat that cookie you dropped on the floor.

But whatever you do, don't shake hands with a doctor.

Semmelweis wept.

Thanks for fixing that.
My doctors have always washed their hands before touching me. After, probably the same but I don't focus on that. Hope they don't touch all the stuff leading to the next patient's room, though.

Rex_Banner: BurnShrike: You mean wiping your hands off on your pant leg isn't enough? The hell you say!

Next they'll be saying that people should wash their hands after going to the bathroom.

There are some bathrooms where you are better off not trying to wash your hands ...

Man, serious headline fail... first the 100,000 deaths is rounded up from a CDC estimate in 2002, which isn't last year... secondly, the 1 in 3 doctors is actually a third of only 85 GERMAN third year medical students who were taking a test about when they should and shouldn't wash their hands... so not even direct observation of behavior, and not doctors, third year med students still in training.

Not saying doctors don't fark it up from time to time, but lets at least RTFA and talk about some real hand hygiene data before we start conflating studies from different countries, based on estimates and surveys, etc.

Also the article makes a push about alcohol hand sanitizer... should be noted that's only effective when the hands aren't visibly soiled, and not effective at all against the spores of Clostridium difficile... amazing how many healthcare workers forget that tidibit...

Is displeased.

This is screwed up.

But also, patients need to grow a pair. If Doctor Scuzzy comes into the exam room and doesn't spritz his hands with the antibacterial foam, they need to do two things:
1. Not shake his hands
2. Remind him to spritz

To be fair, it's sometimes difficult to question or criticize a physician. We're conditioned to give them a lot of respect (fully deserved in most cases). On the other hand, if the doctor gets defensive or dismisses your concerns about something as simple as a antibacterial spritz, how can you rely on them when you ask questions about your medical care?

CSB...Well, not really...Gag Factor 7 1/2

I went to a new dentist and had an interesting experience that left me unable to go back. Besides the non-english speaking assistant, who kept calling me "Mommy" as in "Mommy, joo put jour mouth up to da ma-cheene so I take picture OK Mommy?" The Dentist Dr. M came in to do a cleaning and check for cavities, I found it odd he wore no face mask since my last dentist wore something that looked like a welder could use it, but i digress...After he worked on my teeth for about 30 minutes he tells me to rinse & spit.
When I take a swig of water and swirl it around my mouth i lean in and spit, along with pinkish water out came his beard hairs, black and grey stubble circling the spittoon...Uh, I start to gag....I almost barfed, but just kept rinsing to make sure it was all out of my mouth.

I wonder if anyone has actually puked in his spittoon..
///would not surprise me at all.

Yet another reason I love the facility my PCP is at. Every care provider I've seen has washed their hands immediately upon entering the exam room, and they also do it after any examination, and the normal reasons, such as sneezing or coughing.

That's kind of scary.

Also, a lot of them know, but they just don't give a fark. I've been dealing with a steady stream of patients infected with multidrug-resistant Acinetobacter because residents in the ICU won't follow contact precautions or even wash their farking hands.

I am constantly shocked to see how many guys use the bathroom and just walk out past the sink afterwards. One time I was in and this guy in the stall is blowing his full extra loose bowel out... sloshing and squirting... He finishes and I expect the hand to start washing next to me... Instead though, I hear the door open and close as he leaves. Damn, am I the only one who's mother taught them right? How many of these clowns work in restaurants? Makes you think. You might be getting more than cheese with that pizza.

Olympus Mons: I am constantly shocked to see how many guys use the bathroom and just walk out past the sink afterwards. One time I was in and this guy in the stall is blowing his full extra loose bowel out... sloshing and squirting... He finishes and I expect the hand to start washing next to me... Instead though, I hear the door open and close as he leaves. Damn, am I the only one who's mother taught them right? How many of these clowns work in restaurants? Makes you think. You might be getting more than cheese with that pizza.

Don't shiat on your hands and you're fine.

The thing that scares me is seeing people in medical scrubs at the grocery store at lunchtime handling the same hot foods and salad bar items as everyone else.

I must not be reading the same article.

The one that I got said that out of 85 students in their third year of study, only a third 'correctly identified all five true signals to wash one's hands' on a written exam, in Germany.

vygramul, you ass. Well before Obama was even though of as a presidential candidate my dad was killed by a MRSA he got in a hospital. 18 days from walking in to body bag... each one of them spent in pain as his lungs liquified despite every anti-biotic known to man and a few experimental ones as well. As an aside, my asthmatic daughter still has insurance that I pay for so she can get her medications (THANK YOU OBAMACARE!)

ganwilcox: vygramul, you ass. Well before Obama was even though of as a presidential candidate my dad was killed by a MRSA he got in a hospital. 18 days from walking in to body bag... each one of them spent in pain as his lungs liquified despite every anti-biotic known to man and a few experimental ones as well. As an aside, my asthmatic daughter still has insurance that I pay for so she can get her medications (THANK YOU OBAMACARE!)

I'm pretty sure he was trolling, given that the article was done in Germany and all.

Sorry to hear about your father though.

Don't ever touch their ties either.

Filthy damn things.

/How often do you clean your ties?

ganwilcox: vygramul, you ass. Well before Obama was even though of as a presidential candidate my dad was killed by a MRSA he got in a hospital. 18 days from walking in to body bag... each one of them spent in pain as his lungs liquified despite every anti-biotic known to man and a few experimental ones as well. As an aside, my asthmatic daughter still has insurance that I pay for so she can get her medications (THANK YOU OBAMACARE!)

did I miss something???

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Pocket Ninja: It's because they're so worried about frivolous lawsuits. We get rid of all the lawsuits out there being filed by random patients just trying to make a quick buck, these poor doctors would be undistracted and be able to focus on being the clean, hygienic doctors they want to be.

What? Can I get some of what you're smoking this morning? You need to lay off the weed a little. If you do, you'll understand that giving a patient an infection because you're too stupid to know the simple hand-washing protocols used in medicine is one of the fastest ways to get yourself saddled with a malpractice suit.

The problem for healthcare professionals isn't that they don't know to wash their hands. Often they don't have the time to do it between patients (in an emergency, for example) and that they sometimes fudge because washing one's hands so many times per day will leave them with dried and cracked skin. This is also a no-no in terms of infection control.

BurnShrike: Olympus Mons: I am constantly shocked to see how many guys use the bathroom and just walk out past the sink afterwards. One time I was in and this guy in the stall is blowing his full extra loose bowel out... sloshing and squirting... He finishes and I expect the hand to start washing next to me... Instead though, I hear the door open and close as he leaves. Damn, am I the only one who's mother taught them right? How many of these clowns work in restaurants? Makes you think. You might be getting more than cheese with that pizza.

Don't shiat on your hands and you're fine.

Troll, or just really farking stupid?

probably troll...

The problem is these medical students never worked in a place with truly poisonous chemicals. It only takes one time cleaning up the old chemical cabinet and handling old bottles of, say, potassium cyanide before you find yourself washing your hands if anything gets on them.

And only 32,000 gun related deaths per year including accident, murder and suicide.

I suggest a 3-day waiting period before visiting a doctor.

/oh wai...

FTA - In 2002, the CDC estimated that 1.7 million patients contracted health care-associated infections in U.S. hospitals, and 98,987 of them died as a result.

i estimate i'll be having steak tonight.... doesnt mean im gonna get steak.

really though you have to take this information with a grain of salt. if a guy dying from cancer catches the flu and dies from complications they can add that number to the statistic above. a long time ago numbers used to mean something. now anyone can fudge them up with "estimates" to the point that they are worthless.

Yeah, I'm often surprised at doctors that, whether they wash or not, are pretty cavalier about contamination. A lot of doctors will shake your hand, which seems friendly, but isn't really something I want to do who with someone is is literally a magnet for everyone sick in the community. And I've given urine samples to doctors who didn't even use gloves to handle the jar. Also, for some reason I've had three urologists over the course of my life and none of them use gloves when handling my junk -- I honestly think they must be pervy.

Even if the doctors aren't worried about it, I think it is courtesy to the patients to take precautions or at least put on a show of doing so.

1/3? No way

jabelar: Even if the doctors aren't worried about it, I think it is courtesy to the patients to take precautions or at least put on a show of doing so.

I know what you mean. After being around sick and dying people or awhile, one becomes pretty blasé about cooties. I used to work with a gastroenterologist who would eat leftover food off the patients' dinner trays as he made his evening rounds. He'd been doing this since medical school. He was a fantastic doc, but daa-aamn.

There is a guy here at work who doesn't use soap on his hands after coming out of the stall.

/farking creep

This is why I don't trust doctors. cirby: You can let your dog lick your face.

You can eat that cookie you dropped on the floor.

But whatever you do, don't shake hands with a doctor.

I've never liked dogs because of that first part. They lick their ass/genitals, and you want that on your face? That's not hygenic, I don't care how many times you talk about dog saliva helping heal wounds.

Anyways, basically, this is why I don't trust doctors. Very rarely do you ever meet a doctor who's actually intelligent. Most just know what they crammed in school and don't have any common sense. Rote memorization doesn't make you smart. Its understanding the concepts behind things and being able to apply them.

Happened to me once. A few days after surgery, two doctors come in to take my staples out. One doc's my regular doctor, one guy's the assistant. New doc/student I assume. Tall, handsome guy, but didn't look like he'd bathed in a few days. Shoulder length, Fabio-esque greasy hair, sheen on the face. No latex gloves. Goes to town and starts popping the staples out. Each staple feels like a pinch. There were a lot of staples. The pinches were annoying. But I can assure you, my biggest stressor was with having the rather extensive incisions become infected.

// No latex gloves? Come on doc.
// New latex gloves, not used either.

I threw up on My dr today so I am getting a kick...