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rpl
2012-01-05 04:07:44 AM
Oh I get it, it's like that "kill all jews and cyclists!" joke. Now I'm supposed to ask "why a garbage can?" and be called a gay basher. Very funny, Scientology.

doglover: Rik01: I'm Christian, but if a minister, pastor, priest or even the Pope himself demanded that I do the things this David Miscavige demands of his followers, they'd get a resounding 'F**K NO!'

This just in, different religions are different.

In Buddhism, you can't eat meat or drink booze. In Catholicism you MUST at least have a tipple every week. In Wicca, you get loaded pretty much after each ceremony.

Scientology is crazy, but it's LESS crazy than Alister Crowley's stuff, which was actually completely open to homosexuality. He had his people ritually CUT themselves when they made mistakes in will building exercises.


What about the folks nailing themselves to crosses every Easter? Or the guys whipping themselves with chains on Aashurah?
Cutting yourself if you make a mistake? That's quite literally the emo of religious wackiness. The diet coke of, if you will.
 
2012-01-05 04:10:56 AM

rpl: Oh I get it, it's like that "kill all jews and cyclists!" joke. Now I'm supposed to ask "why a garbage can?" and be called a gay basher. Very funny, Scientology.

doglover: Rik01: I'm Christian, but if a minister, pastor, priest or even the Pope himself demanded that I do the things this David Miscavige demands of his followers, they'd get a resounding 'F**K NO!'

This just in, different religions are different.

In Buddhism, you can't eat meat or drink booze. In Catholicism you MUST at least have a tipple every week. In Wicca, you get loaded pretty much after each ceremony.

Scientology is crazy, but it's LESS crazy than Alister Crowley's stuff, which was actually completely open to homosexuality. He had his people ritually CUT themselves when they made mistakes in will building exercises.

What about the folks nailing themselves to crosses every Easter? Or the guys whipping themselves with chains on Aashurah?
Cutting yourself if you make a mistake? That's quite literally the emo of religious wackiness. The diet coke of, if you will.


Didn't they also run around wearing satin bathrobes?
 
2012-01-05 04:12:14 AM
I worked for a brief period at the IRS... at the same time that the rulings were coming back on Scientology's status as a tax-exempt religious organization.

The collective "oh, Hell no!" was heard at every level.

To this day, I can't believe that they were able to carve such neat holes in the tax system... I would love to see who was actually paid off and for how much to get them legally recognized as a "church" for tax purposes.
 
2012-01-05 04:13:08 AM
That's it, I'm converting. The worst tangible threat your typical American child gets from his spoon-fed watered down religion is a stocking full of coal. In Scientology you get knocked out by a midget movie star in lifts. I love it.

Baccus save us.

//Some one post pictures of fat Val Kilmer, he was way ahead of his time on this one (for those of you that don't know, he knocked out Mr. Cruise during the filming of Top Gun).
 
2012-01-05 04:14:04 AM
Was the sick tag out on sick leave?
 
rpl
2012-01-05 04:14:16 AM

FunkOut: rpl: What about the folks nailing themselves to crosses every Easter? Or the guys whipping themselves with chains on Aashurah?
Cutting yourself if you make a mistake? That's quite literally the emo of religious wackiness. The diet coke of, if you will.

Didn't they also run around wearing satin bathrobes?


Doesn't everyone?
 
2012-01-05 04:14:30 AM

nukeim: I don't know about the Army, but I know that when I was in Marine boot camp, we spoke in 3rd Person the entire time.


that's cause the marines are being trained as killing machines. army gets trained to be the utility units that pick up the bodies - course my basics were a long time ago so may have changed some. If you did what you were told to do and didn't lip back any, then there were no issues. It was kinda like gym class with some nifty toys thrown in to the dodge ball sessions.

Course there was always the potential for a gas attack during the middle of the night but eventually your eyes don't burn and tear up from it as bad once you get used to it.
 
2012-01-05 04:18:03 AM

Aleph: //Some one post pictures of fat Val Kilmer, he was way ahead of his time on this one (for those of you that don't know, he knocked out Mr. Cruise during the filming of Top Gun).


this i did not know. i now have a new respect for the man, and i ain't refering to the one in lifts
 
2012-01-05 04:19:33 AM
farm8.staticflickr.com

I'm really the first? You guys suck.
 
2012-01-05 04:25:13 AM
Sweet dreams are made of these. Who am I to disagree?
 
2012-01-05 04:27:01 AM

Cagey B: I was actually surprised, I thought this had something to do with the Santorum campaign.


not frothy enough.
 
2012-01-05 04:29:04 AM
Homophobia was the norm in the '50s and '60s, so Hubbard wasn't special in this respect. Chances are that you enjoy an author from that period, or any earlier period, who happened to be homophobic. You have to take the bad with the good. And obviously, worshiping a novelist like a deity is ridiculous and cultish behavior. Writers should be judged by their ability to write and, in the case of their nonfiction, by the rationality of their ideas. Yes, Hubbard probably was worthless in the idea department. Don't know anything about his fiction abilities. People who are worshiping his ideas should probably just stop it.

There, I brought the element of cool rationality to this inevitably WHARGAARBLY thread.
 
2012-01-05 04:29:08 AM

jtown: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 588x600]

I'm really the first? You guys suck.


who the fark is that green guy? does he live in that garbage can?
 
2012-01-05 04:30:30 AM

SnakeMan: Homophobia was the norm in the '50s and '60s, so Hubbard wasn't special in this respect. Chances are that you enjoy an author from that period, or any earlier period, who happened to be homophobic. You have to take the bad with the good. And obviously, worshiping a novelist like a deity is ridiculous and cultish behavior. Writers should be judged by their ability to write and, in the case of their nonfiction, by the rationality of their ideas. Yes, Hubbard probably was worthless in the idea department. Don't know anything about his fiction abilities. People who are worshiping his ideas should probably just stop it.

There, I brought the element of cool rationality to this inevitably WHARGAARBLY thread.


Would it be a cheap shot to mention Ayn Rand here? Wait, this is Fark, who cares about cheap shots :D
 
2012-01-05 04:33:14 AM
who the fark is that green guy? does he live in that garbage can?

shhh. not so loud.

we don't like to talk about it too much.

it's val kilmer

behold the power of Scientology
 
2012-01-05 04:36:14 AM
"Hey, check it out. Dinner and a show."
 
2012-01-05 04:37:19 AM

AbbeySomeone: I have a friend that has a family that is a high ranking Scientology member. They don't like them to leave when they have all the secrets.


In this day of cellphone video and Flipcams I'm waiting for the day when some video gets out that completely blows open Scientology. If it's true that Miscavige routinely beats the shiat out of his employees I long for the day when he goes down.
 
2012-01-05 05:12:28 AM
The Dark Side gives haters tremendous stamina.
 
2012-01-05 05:15:42 AM

doglover: JackalRabbit: Pretty much 50% of the people that make it through basic could still easily kill one another with their deadly weapons.

Well thanks for that vote of confidence in our armed forces. I guess it's a good thing there's a few mountains between me and Yokosuka base. At least 50% are safe, too. That's kinda nice.

0Icky0: Well Monks, yeah.
But that's not all Buddhists.

Kinda. It's more like all the Buddhists that matter. (and yes they ARE not all perfect. Empress Wu springs to mind.)

Religion is lot like sports. You can follow the team, wear the colors, and go to all the games. But at the end of the day, you're either on the team or you're not. Sitting in stands watching the game doesn't make you player. Going to the temple and hitting the bell doesn't make you a Buddhist. Kneeling on a mat doesn't put you in Muhamed's good graces.

You gotta work at it.


Somebody mentioned Empress Wu. Watched a series about her as a teen a zillion years ago - classic Chonese soap opera version. Did it underplay Buddhism or what? Dd get me interested in researching the facts mor. Fascinating if somewhat morally duplicitous lady. Like all strong rulers of the female persuasion, who take being a tough male ruler and make it their own uniquely female scarier version.

And Scientology sucks. That is all.

/ no erudite points made here. It just sucks, and like all cults that divide into us and them, is damaging, despite claiming otherwise. They are eminently documented as dangerous and scary.
// their 'disaster relief' programs bother me too.
/// and pay some taxes you rich male offspring of female canines.
 
2012-01-05 05:17:18 AM

SnakeMan: Homophobia was the norm in the '50s and '60s, so Hubbard wasn't special in this respect.


The thing is, Scientology can never change. If Hubbard said it, it is "Source" and it can never be altered. Altering "Source" is a high crime.
 
2012-01-05 05:19:55 AM
I am by tendency a hack and must turn this sordid, titillating tale into an award winning movie with dirty dirty lesbo sex and exhibitionism. yes, i need to do this. yes, I will call her Julie and make her a buxom and naive blonde from Sheepshag, Kansas, fresh off the bus...sweet and eager to please.



DRTFA
 
2012-01-05 05:29:04 AM

beerbaron: SnakeMan: Homophobia was the norm in the '50s and '60s, so Hubbard wasn't special in this respect.

The thing is, Scientology can never change. If Hubbard said it, it is "Source" and it can never be altered. Altering "Source" is a high crime.


Except that the gist of her email is that it has indeed veered from the source. She repeatedly references back to LRH to support her points about the current situation and how wrong things have gone.
 
2012-01-05 05:32:41 AM
Sgygus: The Dark Side gives haters tremendous stamina.

I'm Light IV at the moment, thank you.

LordJiro: SnakeMan: Homophobia was the norm in the '50s and '60s, so Hubbard wasn't special in this respect. Chances are that you enjoy an author from that period, or any earlier period, who happened to be homophobic. You have to take the bad with the good. And obviously, worshiping a novelist like a deity is ridiculous and cultish behavior. Writers should be judged by their ability to write and, in the case of their nonfiction, by the rationality of their ideas. Yes, Hubbard probably was worthless in the idea department. Don't know anything about his fiction abilities. People who are worshiping his ideas should probably just stop it.

There, I brought the element of cool rationality to this inevitably WHARGAARBLY thread.

Would it be a cheap shot to mention Ayn Rand here? Wait, this is Fark, who cares about cheap shots :D


FARK is a target rich environment. Nothing is sacred. Not even the owner of the website.

That said, Scientology is one of those things that "Even Evil Has Standards" about - hell, even 4chan doesn't like them, and they like most things that are unholy abominations. So feel free to say anything about them.

And, if you're reading this, Scilons: Suck my cock.

beerbaron: SnakeMan: Homophobia was the norm in the '50s and '60s, so Hubbard wasn't special in this respect.

The thing is, Scientology can never change. If Hubbard said it, it is "Source" and it can never be altered. Altering "Source" is a high crime.


Except "Source" in Scientology is controlled by the Gold Base and the high-ups, and then distributed to the various Orgs around the nation. It can and does change, when conveinent and profitable for the Scilons. Every so often, the church will claim to have found some "translation" or "hidden teaching" of L Ron hidden away somewhere, which superceeds previous source. It's a memory-hole which would make Orwell proud.
 
2012-01-05 05:38:48 AM
DrBenway: Except that the gist of her email is that it has indeed veered from the source. She repeatedly references back to LRH to support her points about the current situation and how wrong things have gone.

One does not question the will of the Emperor, David Miscavage. He will find your lack of faith disturbing, and he WILL choke a biatch. Instead of the force, however, Dark Lord Miscavage uses the principal of "Fair Game" and legal/paper terrorism which would make even the staunchest soverign citizen impressed.

Debbe Cook is in the process of being dead agented as we speak. She is persona non grata to the Church of Scientology, and according to their doctrine now is "fair game" for anything and everything any member of Scientology wishes to do to her. They have a habit of trying to label people who whistleblow as pedophilies and sexual deviants (Scilons focus on sexuality a LOT. It's a big deal for them.), fraudsters and liars to the media and the community around them. They will file false liens and documents in court, as well as frivielous lawsuits based on the pseudolegal contracts they had her sign. In addition, while officially they do not encourage violent acts against these people, unofficially they support acts of indimidation and violence against them.
 
2012-01-05 06:01:32 AM
Sounds like a typical Thanksgiving for me.
 
2012-01-05 06:18:24 AM
I dated a high level Scientologist 10 years ago. She was an awesome girl. So amazing in every way. Her parents were both Scientologists, and her grandparents too. As we got more serious she wanted me to convert to the "church" but I just wouldn't do it (I love smoking pot). Every time she went into her audit sessions the church made her break up with me. After a few days or weeks, she'd be back. And we'd start the whole thing all over.

I thought that I could break her free of the church, she thought she could get me into the church. We broke up 30 times...and got back together 29. It was awful. Ultimately she relocated to the remotest parts of New Mexico. The Church has no chapter where she lives so she is free (sorta), but my pyrrhic victory leaves an empty place in my heart for her.

----

By some weird twist of fate I wound up renting an apartment across from the main Scientology building in Los Angeles (Sunset and Vermont.) A mischievous friend of mine purchased a 6-pack of smoke-bombs from a novelty shop and left them at my apartment after a night of jamming out with my band.

Well, I got very drunk. And I thought it would be a good idea to light said smoke-bombs and throw them off my back porch into the 40-yard dumpsters the Scientologists kept next door for recycling metals, pallets, paper, etc. With great glee I hurled one by one, six smoke bombs into these large containers. Then my pillow and comforter called me and I passed into a very deep sleep.

When I awoke there were about 20 voicemails on my phone. Apparently, the ruckus I caused mobilized the entire Scientiology 'volunteer' firefighting brigade. While I slept, an entire army of idiots attempted to run hoses from the street to the dumpsters they thought were on fire. Mostly they succeeded in flooding an old ladys apartment with 100 gallons of water when they accidentally turned the hoses on too high. The real fire department was called in, but by the time they got there the smoke bombs had run their course. According to my downstairs neighbor, the police and the fire department banged on my door for an hour...unable the wake me...they gave up and left (they told him nobody would commit such a crime and be able to sleep through it...lol)

For legal reasons...this is a fictional story. Totally false...every word.
 
2012-01-05 06:19:13 AM

LordJiro: SnakeMan: Homophobia was the norm in the '50s and '60s, so Hubbard wasn't special in this respect. Chances are that you enjoy an author from that period, or any earlier period, who happened to be homophobic. You have to take the bad with the good. And obviously, worshiping a novelist like a deity is ridiculous and cultish behavior. Writers should be judged by their ability to write and, in the case of their nonfiction, by the rationality of their ideas. Yes, Hubbard probably was worthless in the idea department. Don't know anything about his fiction abilities. People who are worshiping his ideas should probably just stop it.

There, I brought the element of cool rationality to this inevitably WHARGAARBLY thread.

Would it be a cheap shot to mention Ayn Rand here? Wait, this is Fark, who cares about cheap shots :D


Well, same applies to her, and she said so herself to fans who wrote her saying that they viewed her as a god. And she was probably homophobic and was wrong about it. So there. No cultist here.
 
2012-01-05 06:24:43 AM
Meh, you join something stupid because you're full of stupid
and I guess you have to expect some F'ing idiocy

Sorry that happened
but you shouldn't have been there in the first place
 
2012-01-05 06:26:03 AM
I can not think of a scenario more surreal than having someone yell into your face that if you don't follow orders Tom Cruise is come in and punch you in the face.
 
2012-01-05 06:40:49 AM
sounds a lot like those crazy Landmark people
 
2012-01-05 06:47:50 AM

glassbottomboatcaptain: I can not think of a scenario more surreal than having someone yell into your face that if you don't follow orders Tom Cruise is come in and punch you in the face.


Imagine if Tom Cruise really did come in and punch you in the face. It would probably sting a little with the midget punch and all, but then you'd be like, "huh, I just got punched in the face by Tom Cruise" and then you'd really think life was surreal.
 
2012-01-05 06:49:37 AM

Gothnet: whiterrabbit: But...But...did it WORK?? Did it remove teh ghey??

Turns out she didn't have teh ghey. BUT in a cult where having it is a major crime, forcing someone to 'admit' such a major transgression of the rules is a psychological breakdown technique.


Also they use that stuff to blackmail people if they later try to leave Scientology. Not just executives either, regular folks who've spent years revealing their "sins" to auditors. All that is filed for later "Fair Game" use, if you dare to stray.
 
2012-01-05 06:52:15 AM
Meh...
 
2012-01-05 06:53:33 AM

Confabulat: glassbottomboatcaptain: I can not think of a scenario more surreal than having someone yell into your face that if you don't follow orders Tom Cruise is come in and punch you in the face.

Imagine if Tom Cruise really did come in and punch you in the face. It would probably sting a little with the midget punch and all, but then you'd be like, "huh, I just got punched in the face by Tom Cruise" and then you'd really think life was surreal.


Even more surreal when he starts crying and rubbing his hand.
 
2012-01-05 07:02:37 AM

No Such Agency: Gothnet: whiterrabbit: But...But...did it WORK?? Did it remove teh ghey??

Turns out she didn't have teh ghey. BUT in a cult where having it is a major crime, forcing someone to 'admit' such a major transgression of the rules is a psychological breakdown technique.

Also they use that stuff to blackmail people if they later try to leave Scientology. Not just executives either, regular folks who've spent years revealing their "sins" to auditors. All that is filed for later "Fair Game" use, if you dare to stray.



They are such a lovely bunch of people!

I walked past the scilon place in Toronto a few weeks ago, with a couple of friends. When they tried to offer me their literature I quite matter of factly said "No thanks, I'm a squirrel". Ten yards down the road we had to stop as my friends couldn't walk for laughing.

"Did you just tell those people you're a squirrel? BWAHAHAHA"

Turns out not everyone has read the xenu.net scientology glossary... :)
 
2012-01-05 07:05:11 AM

Omahawg: I am by tendency a hack and must turn this sordid, titillating tale into an award winning movie with dirty dirty lesbo sex and exhibitionism. yes, i need to do this. yes, I will call her Julie and make her a buxom and naive blonde from Sheepshag, Kansas, fresh off the bus...sweet and eager to please.



DRTFA


One more reason why you, sir, are my hero ; )
 
2012-01-05 07:10:33 AM

doglover: Kinda. It's more like all the Buddhists that matter. (and yes they ARE not all perfect. Empress Wu springs to mind.)


What? You think she was worse than any other Emperor?
 
2012-01-05 07:23:18 AM
I wonder which is considered worse...a person with homosexual tendencies, or someone who screws a hooker every Friday Night? I know what Fark would say, but I wonder what these people would say.
 
2012-01-05 07:27:55 AM

urban.derelict: /i'm a member of the church of non-comma-ology
//give me your money i'll tell you some grand tales of your afterlife, you're a savior...couldn'ta worked without you


You used a comma. Time to cut yourself again.
 
2012-01-05 07:32:49 AM

EditorialSpace: I wonder which is considered worse...a person with homosexual tendencies, or someone who screws a hooker every Friday Night? I know what Fark would say, but I wonder what these people would say.


unless the hooker is popping out children - they both be equally perverse in this situation
 
2012-01-05 07:33:59 AM

ladyfortuna: Now, I'm not really familiar with Hubbard's writings (as they were not included in my dad's basement treasure trove of Sci-Fi) but I have to wonder if he made the whole Scientology thing up as a massive Troll attempt on future generations...


He made it up as a form of quack psychology, then said it was a "religion" in order to avoid IRS trouble. The IRS finally gave in in the '80s to settle something like 2,000 lawsuits from Scientologists.

/Dianetics is completely unreadable; I doubt most Scientologists have managed to wade all the way through it.
 
2012-01-05 07:37:08 AM
No photoshops of Tom Cruise and John Travolta standing in trash cans yet?
 
2012-01-05 07:42:21 AM
You people all laugh, but these bastards keep growing in power and gaining influence. One day they will be the main/only religion, and you will either be forced into the church or exiled. (Or put into a garbage can and slapped for 100 hours...probably rolled down a hill afterwards).

Thats why I am signing up now while the contract is only for 1 billion years. Down the road it might be 10 billion or 1 trillion years, and a billion years from now, I'll be laughing as my soul is free to retire while you chumps are still fighting the forces of Xenu.
 
2012-01-05 07:45:44 AM
I recommend reading the entire article. Fascinating, how this cult uses hazing and bullying to keep its members in line. And "The hole" sounds ready for a SWAT raid if what's claimed in this article is true.

FTFA: "Exactly. I'd been in The Hole for over a year, eating most of the time rice and beans, and all of the time trays of food that were dropped off and everyone scrambled to get what they could, and you had 10 minutes to eat and that's it," Rinder says.

I asked him to describe The Hole. "It was the two double-wide trailers that were called the CMO Int building. It consisted of one main conference room with cubicles around it, and other office spaces, and a men's and a women's bathroom. That's all it was."

"Where did you sleep?"

"On the floor. Under a desk."

"For two years?"

"Yep."


Of course, I'm sure like all respectable organisations, the Scientologists make sure to pay big contributions to all the right people to make sure they don't get investigated.

But they seem like a massive bunch of pussies. Someone should go and ruin their day.
 
2012-01-05 07:47:22 AM
I guess it should be mentioned this is really a [FOLLOWUP] of this previous story.
 
2012-01-05 07:48:11 AM

MythDragon: You people all laugh, but these bastards keep growing in power and gaining influence. One day they will be the main/only religion, and you will either be forced into the church or exiled. (Or put into a garbage can and slapped for 100 hours...probably rolled down a hill afterwards).

Thats why I am signing up now while the contract is only for 1 billion years. Down the road it might be 10 billion or 1 trillion years, and a billion years from now, I'll be laughing as my soul is free to retire while you chumps are still fighting the forces of Xenu.


The warrior princess? Or am I getting two people confused?
 
2012-01-05 07:55:35 AM

Mose: MythDragon: You people all laugh, but these bastards keep growing in power and gaining influence. One day they will be the main/only religion, and you will either be forced into the church or exiled. (Or put into a garbage can and slapped for 100 hours...probably rolled down a hill afterwards).

Thats why I am signing up now while the contract is only for 1 billion years. Down the road it might be 10 billion or 1 trillion years, and a billion years from now, I'll be laughing as my soul is free to retire while you chumps are still fighting the forces of Xenu.

The warrior princess? Or am I getting two people confused?


Lucy Lawless threadjack? Why not?

images4.wikia.nocookie.net

/hot, obviously
 
2012-01-05 07:57:23 AM

Tainted1: Gotta laugh at the dumbasses who join a "religion" created by a man who openly declared he was going to invent a religion to make himself rich off of suckers.


Old and busted: L. Ron's religon
New hotness: Newt's religion -- Now with twice the expense.
 
2012-01-05 08:00:41 AM

doglover: Scientology is crazy, but it's LESS crazy than Alister Crowley's stuff, which was actually completely open to homosexuality. He had his people ritually CUT themselves when they made mistakes in will building exercises.


Yeah, with a straight razor. Mostly to get rid of the word "I" in an attempt to abolish the ego. Though, only very few devoted followers of Crowley did this exercise in Crowley's time.

Most current followers of Thelema do not practice this. At least, in my years of being a Thelemite, I never met anyone who did. Instead, people would wear a rubber-band on their wrist and snap it hard whenever they used the word "I" (or whichever word they were trying to stop themselves from using).

/former Thelemite
 
2012-01-05 08:22:47 AM

Rik01:
I may Believe but I'm not stupid.


Well, which is it?
 
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