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(The New York Times)   Despite the best efforts of the GOP to block him, Obama recess appoints the first ever head of the Consumer Financial Protection Agency   (thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 49
    More: Hero, President Obama, GOP, protection agency, chiefs, Republican, Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, Ohio Attorney General, Richard Cordray  
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2012-01-04 02:03:49 PM  
3 votes:

Garet Garrett: I'm sure you'll applaud this move the moment President Santorum uses this gimmick to appoint an HHS secretary who's virulently anti-abortion.


Or worse, a president could appoint an angry moustache as ambassador to the U.N.
2012-01-04 04:34:18 PM  
2 votes:

Garet Garrett: dumb words


So... He refuses to recognize the opposition, while at the same time bending over backward to be bipartisan and recognize the opposition.

What the fark goes on in your head? Does your brain have paradox-absorbing crumple zones, or something?
2012-01-04 02:47:48 PM  
2 votes:

Garet Garrett: And, by the way, wtf excuse does he have for not waiting for an actual recess? Just curious if you have an answer to that.


Because they are doing Pro Forma sessions to specifically avoid a recess just for this reason. They are obstructing the process either by not holding a vote or by not going into recess. President Obama juked them and left them standing there at the 30 yard line looking stupid while he's in the end zone doing the Ickey Shuffle.
2012-01-04 01:55:08 PM  
2 votes:

DarnoKonrad: +1 for the Constitution.


You realize Congress isn't in recess, right? So pretty much Obama's version of the Constitution gives him the right to make appointments any day of the week, after about 5:30 p.m. because folks have gone home for the night? Fark Congress, after all. What business do they have telling the Prez whom he can appoint?

This one is particularly offensive, given that the position is utterly free of Congressional oversight. Fark the people, after all. What business do they have telling government how they want to be governed?

I'm sure you'll applaud this move the moment President Santorum uses this gimmick to appoint an HHS secretary who's virulently anti-abortion.

This is bad. Very, very bad. But only if you believe in democracy. So, naturally, the Democrats [sic] will be fine with it.
2012-01-04 01:54:56 PM  
2 votes:
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2012-01-04 05:30:58 PM  
1 votes:

Cup_O_Jo: Why does this have a hero tag? And why are people joyous about this. Government regulations on how you shop. YEAY. I LIKE GOVERNMENT IN EVERYTHING. WTF? Looks around--I am in America right?


Of course you are still in America. If you ever get confused about this in the future, just take a look at where the government checks that sustain your entire existence are coming from.

You are welcome to leave and stop living off the American taxpayer at any time.
2012-01-04 05:21:19 PM  
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: Scott Brown backs Obama naming Cordray: "I would have strongly preferred ..normal confirmation process [but] system is completely broken." - Michael McAuliff (@mmcauliff) January 4, 2012 if the Senate had allowed the first person to be appointed, because then I would have a shot in hell of keeping my seat.




FIFY
2012-01-04 04:50:18 PM  
1 votes:

Garet Garrett: A Dark Evil Omen: You know, given that Obama has been harping on reaching across the aisle since the beginning of his presidency and has publicly tried and tried and tried to work with the Republicans, and has made no secret about this...

Personally, I prefer bourbon to Kool-Aid.


I can tell, because if you somehow are this disconnected from reality you must be piss-drunk all the time.
2012-01-04 04:40:54 PM  
1 votes:
Waaaaaaahhh!!! He's done obstructed our obstructionism!!

NO FAIR!!!
2012-01-04 04:00:36 PM  
1 votes:

MilesTeg: No biggie. The majority of voters alleviated their racial guilt when they elected him in his 1st term. They will not vote for him again. The only votes he will get will be hard core liberal democrats and minorities. He and his cronies will be thrown out office shortly and the Fark lib butt hurt will be epic.


PfffHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh, this is gold. People, vote this comment up; it's the funniest goddamn thing I've read in weeks. Even funnier if he's serious.
2012-01-04 03:59:00 PM  
1 votes:
No biggie. The majority of voters alleviated their racial guilt when they elected him in his 1st term. They will not vote for him again. The only votes he will get will be hard core liberal democrats and minorities. He and his cronies will be thrown out office shortly and the Fark lib butt hurt will be epic.
2012-01-04 03:56:03 PM  
1 votes:

Soup4Bonnie: President Obama juked them and left them standing there at the 30 yard line looking stupid while he's in the end zone doing the Ickey Shuffle.


Interesting...you assume a black President is good at football.

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2012-01-04 03:52:35 PM  
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: cabbyman: LordJiro: cabbyman: It's nice that the president has all this new power! I'm sure it'll never be misused by the other side when it's their turn.

It's nice that idiots don't read this thread and realize that this isn't NEW power.

It's nice that douchenozzles don't see this as becoming the new normal.

Congrats! We're freedom now!

I'd say the Republicans made flagrant abuse of the rules the "new normal", so shut your face.


Isn't it hilarious when one group sets a precedent of ignoring rules, then gets all pissy when said rules are ignored by the "other side?"
2012-01-04 03:49:57 PM  
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: I would never want to GM a tabletop game with Republican players. Rules-lawyering cockbags who throw hissy fits and start overturning tables when they're told they can't just invent rules and then demand everyone follow them.


I'm picturing Pierce from "Community."
2012-01-04 03:48:55 PM  
1 votes:
The funny part will be that the GOP must argue against the very thing they had established as precedence for their challenge to work.

I don't think the courts will be very sympathetic about that.
2012-01-04 03:47:12 PM  
1 votes:
I would never want to GM a tabletop game with Republican players. Rules-lawyering cockbags who throw hissy fits and start overturning tables when they're told they can't just invent rules and then demand everyone follow them.
2012-01-04 03:41:59 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Garet Garrett: DarnoKonrad: +1 for the Constitution.

You realize Congress isn't in recess, right? So pretty much Obama's version of the Constitution gives him the right to make appointments any day of the week, after about 5:30 p.m. because folks have gone home for the night? Fark Congress, after all. What business do they have telling the Prez whom he can appoint?

This one is particularly offensive, given that the position is utterly free of Congressional oversight. Fark the people, after all. What business do they have telling government how they want to be governed?

I'm sure you'll applaud this move the moment President Santorum uses this gimmick to appoint an HHS secretary who's virulently anti-abortion.

This is bad. Very, very bad. But only if you believe in democracy. So, naturally, the Democrats [sic] will be fine with it.

Except that the GOP hasn't exactly been playing fair either, have they? I'm sure the next guy in power will abuse the rules. But with both parties dead set on winning at any cost, that was gonna happen no matter what. My advise? If its gonna happen anyway you might as well lay back and enjoy it.


GOP: Obama's not a leader! He's weak--that's why nothing's getting done in Congress! A strong president would get things done
Obama: ORLY? *recess appointment*
GOP: *sputter* This is an outrage!!

/I forget which president signed a few dozen "recess appointments" in the nanosecond between gavel falls (I think Teddy Roosevelt) but there's certainly precedent for this.
2012-01-04 03:32:03 PM  
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: [thinkprogress.org image 600x463]

Once again, reality has a liberal bias.


There you go with you lying misleading charts. What they don't show is that Reagan and both presudebts Bush only used their recess appointments power sparingly when an irrational Congress was stubbornly refusing to appoint exceptionally well-qualified nominees.

Obama is using it to put dangerous radicals, who were heroically and reasonably opposed by Congress in unprecedented positions of power, thereby dooming the Republic
2012-01-04 03:23:35 PM  
1 votes:

DarnoKonrad: +1 for the Constitution.


If by +1 you mean -10, I agree:

"Although the Senate is not in recess, President Obama, in an unprecedented move, has arrogantly circumvented the American people," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Kentucky Republican.

GOP House Speaker John A. Boehner called the move "an extraordinary and entirely unprecedented power grab by President Obama that defies centuries of practice and the legal advice of his own Justice Department."
2012-01-04 03:22:14 PM  
1 votes:

Garet Garrett: Ninepoundhammer: Garet Garrett: Soup4Bonnie: Garet Garrett: But The One did it, leaving you all credulous lemmings.

And the ad hominems start coming out. I knew you were running on fumes.

Which metaphor are you referring to? "The One" or "lemmings"? Because, rest assured, those don't even qualify as ad hominem attacks in my book. If I attack you personally, it won't be through sarcasm or furry-animal analogies.


Add "ad hominem" to the list of things you don't understand
2012-01-04 03:21:45 PM  
1 votes:

Garet Garrett: Ninepoundhammer: Garet Garrett: Soup4Bonnie: Garet Garrett: But The One did it, leaving you all credulous lemmings.

And the ad hominems start coming out. I knew you were running on fumes.

Which metaphor are you referring to? "The One" or "lemmings"? Because, rest assured, those don't even qualify as ad hominem attacks in my book. If I attack you personally, it won't be through sarcasm or furry-animal analogies.


You...you don't know the difference between an ad hominem and a metaphor? Wow, you are a true mental giant!
2012-01-04 03:19:54 PM  
1 votes:

DarnoKonrad: 3 years into his presidency, I think this Mr. Obama wants government to function despite itself mushroom despite popular opposition and a complete lack of money.


FTFY.
2012-01-04 03:19:05 PM  
1 votes:

Garet Garrett: Ninepoundhammer: Garet Garrett: Soup4Bonnie: Garet Garrett: But The One did it, leaving you all credulous lemmings.

And the ad hominems start coming out. I knew you were running on fumes.

Which metaphor are you referring to? "The One" or "lemmings"? Because, rest assured, those don't even qualify as ad hominem attacks in my book. If I attack you personally, it won't be through sarcasm or furry-animal analogies.


Dont worry, you already won.
2012-01-04 03:13:34 PM  
1 votes:

Cup_O_Jo: I am not failing at shiat. The original commenter used banks as an analogy I HOPE. I really really hope. Paying your bills is your responsibility and not the Governments job to regulate businesses. If you don't like the business you go somewhere else. HOW HARD IS THAT?


Easier than reading and sarcasm, apparently.
2012-01-04 03:12:51 PM  
1 votes:

meat0918: Serious Black: Garet Garrett: Soup4Bonnie: Garet Garrett: And, by the way, wtf excuse does he have for not waiting for an actual recess? Just curious if you have an answer to that.

Because they are doing Pro Forma sessions to specifically avoid a recess just for this reason. They are obstructing the process either by not holding a vote or by not going into recess. President Obama juked them and left them standing there at the 30 yard line looking stupid while he's in the end zone doing the Ickey Shuffle.

You know that pro forma sessions have been held in the past, right? Such as, in 2007? So Bush would've been justified in saying to Congress "well hold on there, that's not a REAL session you're having there. I think you're REALLY in recess."

Um, yeah, actually, Bush did say just that, you farking dumbass. It's already been covered several previous times in the thread that a court has found this method constitutional.


Just emphasizing this. I just wonder if he has everyone one pointing this out on ignore.


You mean the quote from the Evans case? That involved an actual recess declared by Congress. Please try again.

You tools really don't get this, so let me explain in short words: Congress gets to decide when Congress is in recess, or when it's in session. The President doesn't get to second-guess them. It's a core separation of powers principle. The recess appointment power is disfavored because it's an end-run around Congress, which has a constitutional authority to give (or withhold) its consent to certain people having certain positions. And because it's an end-run around an express grant of constitutional authority, it's entirely within Congress's constitutional authority to fark with the Executive who's trying to do that end-run.

And here, the joke is really on Obama. Dodd-Frank states explicitly that the duties of this position shall remain with the Treasury Secretary until the Director is "confirmed by the Senate" (n.b., not "appointed by the President"). So he's violating the law by installing anyone in that position without Senate confirmation.

/This is unusual language, you'll have to ask Frank and Dodd why they used it
//But who gives a fark about this law, anyway? Just enforce the parts you like, like the ones that get you out of your late fees you somehow get on credit cards despite having 800+ credit scores
2012-01-04 03:11:46 PM  
1 votes:

LordJiro: cabbyman: It's nice that the president has all this new power! I'm sure it'll never be misused by the other side when it's their turn.

It's nice that idiots don't read this thread and realize that this isn't NEW power.


This is the first time a black President has used the authority vested in him by the Constitution. I think we should wait until the Supreme Court rules on whether the blackness invalidates the Presidency.
2012-01-04 03:09:34 PM  
1 votes:

colon_pow: please regulate our asses off, obama.
thank you.
hero.


Please leave us unregulated. We won't buttfark the world economy again, pinkie swear. - The banks.
2012-01-04 03:07:48 PM  
1 votes:
please regulate our asses off, obama.
thank you.
hero.
2012-01-04 03:00:56 PM  
1 votes:

what_now: Cup_O_Jo: Government regulations on how you shop

Like my bank no longer being allowed to send me my credit card bill the day before its due and then slapping a hefty fine when I don't pay it on time?

DAMN YOU FARTBAMA!!!


That has nothing to do with Obama. That has to do with you opening your mail--and paying your bills. NOT the Governments responsibility. YOURS and if you don't like it change banks.
2012-01-04 02:58:55 PM  
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: This is why Obama chose to do this today, as opposed to yesterday. Gets Cordray a full year.

--

By definition, a recess appointment expires at the end of the next full session of the Senate. If a nominee is recess appointed in the middle of a Senate session, he or she serves through the rest of that year, and through the next session.

Yesterday, it turns out, the Senate made the switch from the first to the second session of the 112th Congress. Some advocates hoped Obama would use the brief seconds between those two sessions to make the appointment. Because previous Presidents had seized that opening to make numerous recess appointments, Obama could have avoided a procedural or legal fight with the GOP. The rub, though, is that Cordray's appointment would have expired at the end of the year. The "next full session," after all, would have began mere seconds after his appointment was official.

By acting today, with session two of this Congress technically under way, Obama has given Cordray the rest of this session and the full next session of the Senate to run the bureau. Cordray could potentially serve through the end of 2013.

Link (new window)



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2012-01-04 02:56:22 PM  
1 votes:

Eshman: Please cite one instance of Democratic obstructionism in the last 10 years.


The keep running for office and WINNING, and sometimes they're even BLACK!

This is clearly an obstruction of the rule of Republican Jesus.
2012-01-04 02:54:59 PM  
1 votes:

Garet Garrett: You know that pro forma sessions have been held in the past, right? Such as, in 2007? So Bush would've been justified in saying to Congress "well hold on there, that's not a REAL session you're having there. I think you're REALLY in recess."


thinkprogress.org
2012-01-04 02:52:13 PM  
1 votes:

Soup4Bonnie: Garet Garrett: And, by the way, wtf excuse does he have for not waiting for an actual recess? Just curious if you have an answer to that.

Because they are doing Pro Forma sessions to specifically avoid a recess just for this reason. They are obstructing the process either by not holding a vote or by not going into recess. President Obama juked them and left them standing there at the 30 yard line looking stupid while he's in the end zone doing the Ickey Shuffle.


You know that pro forma sessions have been held in the past, right? Such as, in 2007? So Bush would've been justified in saying to Congress "well hold on there, that's not a REAL session you're having there. I think you're REALLY in recess."

Of course, that's a hypothetical, because the President whom Fark taught us to believe had absolutely zero respect for the Constitution actually abided by the Constitution. It took the election of a would-be Constitutional Law professor for us to witness a President who was willing to deem the Executive Branch the judge of the Legislative Branch's procedures.

I can't believe I have to write this shiat. This is elementary stuff. But The One did it, leaving you all credulous lemmings.
2012-01-04 02:52:08 PM  
1 votes:
Why does this have a hero tag? And why are people joyous about this. Government regulations on how you shop. YEAY. I LIKE GOVERNMENT IN EVERYTHING. WTF? Looks around--I am in America right?
2012-01-04 02:48:07 PM  
1 votes:

Ninepoundhammer: And your failure to address republican obstructionism and it's role in his decision to go this route makes it difficult to take you seriously.


So you'll take me seriously if I address the GOP's obstructionism? Ok, how's this: The GOP isn't the first party to engage in any sort of obstructionism. Yet Obama is the first to redefine "recess" to mean "not recess" in order to respond to it. So, two things come to mind: first, why is the GOP's particular flavor of obstructionism unique? I don't believe it is, and thus I see no reason why non-unique problems would force unique responses. Second, is there a "they weren't playing nice" exception to constitutional process? Is that what you favor? Is constitutionality a sliding scale, dependent upon the amount of cooperation you're getting from other (co-equal, remember) branches of government?

God help us if the Supreme Court finds the individual mandate unconstitutional. What will you believe Obama to be justified in doing, then?
2012-01-04 02:45:49 PM  
1 votes:
He declined to speak about the legal and constitutional challenge which may be ahead, but said White House lawyers were confident. "When pro forma sessions are simply used as an attempt to stop the president from making an appointment," then Mr. Obama was within his rights to move ahead.

Wait, so the senate never went on recess, the prez just decided that the proforma congress is not really congress and actually a recess time? Sorry but this is a violation of the separation of branches and deserving of chimpeachemnt. I have no problems with recess appointments but this stinks to high hell.
2012-01-04 02:44:12 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: LOL

Preventing a democratic government from functioning properly is good for democracy, eh teabagger?

Republicans don't want to work, so Obama will. Americans like people that get the job done.


I love it that your idea of constitutional theory is reduced to "suck it, lol!" I hate to rain on your parade, but Obama is not "a democratic government." Conflating the two is dangerous.

And, by the way, wtf excuse does he have for not waiting for an actual recess? Just curious if you have an answer to that.
2012-01-04 02:37:45 PM  
1 votes:
Can he really help hardworking americans (taxpayers)? May I suggest he recover the $500 million scammed by Solyndra on this gullible administration. How about the Volt subsidy? This administration spent more on each sold Volt than the MSRP of this crappy auto. Green energy means crony capitalism.

We are still looking at more food stamps than paychecks.

caveat emptor
2012-01-04 02:34:29 PM  
1 votes:
jeffrey-feldman.typepad.com

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!
2012-01-04 02:28:57 PM  
1 votes:
I don't think Obama would enjoy getting impeached in an election year.

This is ridiculous and in violation of the Constitution. He goes ahead appointing a person without approval from Congress.
2012-01-04 02:21:11 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Cat Food Sandwiches: This "agency" will be second on the block after Obamacare.

You know who ELSE liked violent purges of his political enemies...?


Who said anything about violent? We need another "regulatory" agency like we need a hole in the head.
2012-01-04 02:20:20 PM  
1 votes:

Ninepoundhammer: And each congressional member wrought its ghost upon the floor.


And showed up for 5 minutes, no more.
2012-01-04 02:18:54 PM  
1 votes:

Cat Food Sandwiches: This "agency" will be second on the block after Obamacare.


You know who ELSE liked violent purges of his political enemies...?
2012-01-04 02:09:33 PM  
1 votes:

Reverend J: Quasar: Sweet. The head of a mostly toothless agency will really turn things around for America.

Description of teh CFBU

/Google is your friend

Now with html link goodness (new window)

/code fail


WHY DO WE NEED A farkING AGENCY TO PROTECT CONSUMERS???? DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A BRAZILIAN OF THOSE?
OUR COMPANIES WILL PROTECT CONSUMERS JUST FINE - THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN AGENCY.
2012-01-04 02:06:49 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Garet Garrett: Lost Thought 00: No one forced them to go on recess. If you want to blame anyone, blame Boehner for not being able to keep a holiday quarum together.

They're not on recess. Technically, there was a lapse of a few seconds between Congresses, but that's not when Obama acted.

So in your opinion, it's okay for the legislative branch of government to nullify a Constitutional power of the executive branch of the government?


Are you saying that refusing to consent to appointments made by the President is unconstitutional? That's a remarkable position, to say the least. In defense of your unprecedented suggestion, I guess it would make life a lot simpler. We could just do away with the whole advise and consent thing once and for all. Hell, let's just do away with Congress. And maybe take a break from the whole "election" thing altogether, since that has the potential to derail our progressive mission. Damn, maybe the Chinese have it right!
2012-01-04 02:01:56 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Except that the GOP hasn't exactly been playing fair either, have they?


What's that mean? Republicans didn't vote the way Obama did so you're going to give Obama a pass on upending the recess appointment power? Do you even bother to think? Or do you just kiss presidential ass?
2012-01-04 01:51:02 PM  
1 votes:
I'm at the point where pissed off republicans are just pro forma. Yeah, yeah, register your complaint at the desk and STFU.
2012-01-04 01:37:38 PM  
1 votes:
A Republican president would never do such a thing

/wait, what?
2012-01-04 01:34:18 PM  
1 votes:

Barney Frank compares GOP complaints about Obama recess appointment to arsonists who yell at people escaping burning buildings

- Ari Berman (@AriBerman) January 4, 2012
 
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