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2012-01-04 01:58:44 AM
So the next time one of our "moderate" Republicans takes offense that we call the GOP a bunch of psychotic bigots, remind them that Rick Santorum just won the Iowa caucus. His hatred isn't fringe. It's embraced by the right, and proudly.
 
2012-01-04 02:00:29 AM

Tanishh:
How someone can want to get rid of abortion, which helps correct for certain colossal farkups or unseen circumstances or rape or what have you, and also want to get rid of birth control and sex ed, both of which REDUCE THE NEED FOR ABORTION, and see no issue that doing both could cause is beyond me. But then, why am I surprised when we're talking about a party that doesn't believe in science and thinks that lowering taxes will raise tax revenue? Logic is no longer much of a commodity in the Republican party.


It's not that complicated. His opinion is that unless you're prepared to have a baby, you shouldn't be having sex. In his mind, and in the minds of people who are old enough to have teenage children and forgotten what it was like to be one themselves, this is a perfectly reasonable position.
 
2012-01-04 02:00:43 AM

strapp3r: is Romney's wife always poopiing?

[scrapetv.com image 397x480]


That man smiling looks painful. It reminds me of a child throwing a tantrum 'cuz he wants ice cream, then mommy tells him he can't have ice cream, and if he'd have just smiled and asked politely she would have let him have it. The kid tries his best to put on the smile through the tears streaking down his face. "Mommy, can I please have ice cream?" Mom replies with a simple "No." Turning back to tantrum mode: "But I WANT IT!!" It looks like he's in that last transition from pandering deceiver back into howling toddler.
 
2012-01-04 02:01:03 AM
So the Republican plan for the next week is to demolish Santorum and see if Romney has nothing left or if it's just going to be flavors of the month until Super Tuesday. Okay, at least we might not have to put up with those embarrassing 'debates' anymore.
 
2012-01-04 02:01:03 AM

Corvus: [happyvalleynews.files.wordpress.com image 580x398]

Looks like a family who understands the modern times... of the 1800's


What's real odd is that this is a different venue (look at the different podiums) but they stand in the same spots


www.wonkette.com
 
2012-01-04 02:01:26 AM
Romney wins the nomination.

RON PAUL runs third party, or NONE of his young voting block show up on election day.

Either way, Obama defeats a fractured GOP.

GOP either goes more moderate, or continue their death spiral and do this all over again in 2016.

The bad in all of this is that none of it forces Obama, or the next Dem nominee after him, to be anything more than a centrist do-nothing to get elected and re-elected.
 
2012-01-04 02:03:29 AM
"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything... It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution... You say, well, it's my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families... In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing."

What an asshole.
 
2012-01-04 02:03:46 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Romney wins the nomination.

RON PAUL runs third party, or NONE of his young voting block show up on election day.

Either way, Obama defeats a fractured GOP.

GOP either goes more moderate, or continue their death spiral and do this all over again in 2016.

The bad in all of this is that none of it forces Obama, or the next Dem nominee after him, to be anything more than a centrist do-nothing to get elected and re-elected.


In all seriousness, the best way to move Obama to the left would be to elect more leftists to the house and sentate (and vote in moderate republicans and demcorats in place of the current republicans). Obama would have been WAY more progressive if he had been able to pass more shiat.
 
2012-01-04 02:05:29 AM

TheJoe03: Too bad Obama has successfully drove away and disappointed his young, liberal base. What a dumbass.

/Him raiding and attacking the medical marijuana clubs in CA was the first straw
//Him signing the fascist police state defense bill was the last
///I'm either voting 3rd party or not at all.


Get over yourself you whiny fark. Then proceed to slap sense into your fellow disillusioned former Obama supporters.

Politics and the Real World are ugly, messy places. I do not agree with a lot of things President Obama has done. I agree that the recent bill signing was a mistake. I even think his focus on Obamacare was a huge political mistake. As one of his supporters I am downright dissapointed by many, many aspects of his presidency.

However, I am also a Maine resident. Or at least, that is where my ballot is mailed from. The last election for Governor resulted in a reasonably even division of votes between a strong 3rd party candidate, and a fairly decent democrat. The Republican who won with the 38% leftover has done massive damage to the state.

Taking your vote and going home because you are dissapointed with Obama is a childish farking thing to do. You have watched what the GOP have done in office. Do you really want to Reward them by not voting against them?

The only way to fix the system is to participate. Pouting and not voting is going to get you nowhere. Sitting in a farking park and carrying around signs is only effective if the politicians know that those oppinions translate into usable Votes.

Stop thinking about your own butthurt feelings, and start being a goddamned American for once you whining pussy.

/pot is one of your biggest gripes? Really??
 
2012-01-04 02:05:39 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Corvus: [happyvalleynews.files.wordpress.com image 580x398]

Looks like a family who understands the modern times... of the 1800's

What's real odd is that this is a different venue (look at the different podiums) but they stand in the same spots


[www.wonkette.com image 416x305]


Does the little one only have the one outfit? I can't tell with the FOX graphic, but I'd be willing to be the doll's outfit matches the little girl's, just like the other time. And I love the middle-finger-to-the-camera-while-I-push-my-glasses-up-nonchalantly coming from the boy.
 
2012-01-04 02:06:43 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Corvus: [happyvalleynews.files.wordpress.com image 580x398]

Looks like a family who understands the modern times... of the 1800's

What's real odd is that this is a different venue (look at the different podiums) but they stand in the same spots


[www.wonkette.com image 416x305]


I couldn't find any details that are different, I think it's the same venue but a different angle.
 
2012-01-04 02:06:43 AM

TheJoe03: The WindowLicker: I really hope, that after all the hooting and hollering about occupy wall street, those dammed hippies occupy a farking voting booth next year.

Too bad Obama has successfully drove away and disappointed his young, liberal base. What a dumbass.

/Him raiding and attacking the medical marijuana clubs in CA was the first straw
//Him signing the fascist police state defense bill was the last
///I'm either voting 3rd party or not at all.


This.
Our two-party system is effectively a mafia enforcer system at this point.
D: "Nice country you got there, it would be a shame if something happened to it. Like for example, Mr. R comes in and farks up the place, where would you be then?"
Additionally:
Why should OWS members support someone who's been such a friend to Wall Street, a neoliberal technocrat there to ensure business runs as profitably and smoothly as possible for those gambling or extracting from our lives?
And more cynically, as I noted before, either way the country ends up getting farked, it's a matter of degree and time. If you actually want a revolution or a backlash, you'll get it far faster by building up experience and support networks on the ground now and letting the Republicans win. Or abstaining altogether from thinking "your" leaders who continually act in the interest of whoever has the most money will come to save you and instead accepting that you'll have to go out into the community and change things yourself.
 
2012-01-04 02:08:00 AM
Santorum for the come-from-behind win!
 
2012-01-04 02:08:03 AM

TheJoe03: Is this really the best we can do America? We have over 300 million people and we can't find one decent person to lead us? Really?


It's the same reason McDonald's is the #1 food place.
Whatever appeals to the masses wins, even if it's crap.
 
2012-01-04 02:09:33 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: What's real odd is that this is a different venue (look at the different podiums) but they stand in the same spots


P.S. Look again at the rostrums: It's just the lighting and the crappy TV screencap that makes the coloring look different, you can see that they both curve back, at which side the edge starts its slope down.
 
2012-01-04 02:10:13 AM

Bill Frist: Obama would have been WAY more progressive if he had been able to pass more shiat.



Agree and disagree. There are a number of issues where he could have been more liberal and congress couldn't have done a damn thing about it, such as the Fed's continued ridiculous war on marijuana. The man laughs whenever anyone asks him a question about pot, like it's all a big joke.
 
2012-01-04 02:10:39 AM

GhostFish: "If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything... It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution... You say, well, it's my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families... In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing."

What an asshole.


I worked with a guy who came here from another country, and he said he would always vote for the most conservative candidate because he believes that people have too much freedom.
I started to debate him, but then just walked away.
 
2012-01-04 02:11:09 AM

GhostFish: "If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything... It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution... You say, well, it's my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families... In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing."

What an asshole.


I love how they think 2 consenting adults having sex in the privacy of their own home is "antithetical to strong healthy families" but families not able to get healthcare isn't.

What a bunch of asses. They just spout out these beliefs for justification of the outcome they want, they never hold these general justification across to things they do not agree with.


Either A) It's freedom, small and government should be involved for things they don't want government involved with or B) Christian values, protecting American, protecting the family, for government involvement on things they do not like.
 
2012-01-04 02:11:30 AM
And Iowa is one of 8 states thats good with gay marriage...mind boggling
 
2012-01-04 02:11:43 AM
From Sullivan's blog:

A reader's comment about Bachmann -- "The definition of tone-deaf: The entire country thinks your husband is gay, and the cute little anecdote you choose to pull out about him is that, while you were all campaigning, he was buying accessories for your dog."

LOL - did Bachmann really farking talk about that in her concession speech?
 
2012-01-04 02:11:55 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Corvus: [happyvalleynews.files.wordpress.com image 580x398]

Looks like a family who understands the modern times... of the 1800's

What's real odd is that this is a different venue (look at the different podiums) but they stand in the same spots


[www.wonkette.com image 416x305]


Except his son, who is flipping the bird to the world.
 
2012-01-04 02:12:09 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Bill Frist: Obama would have been WAY more progressive if he had been able to pass more shiat.


Agree and disagree. There are a number of issues where he could have been more liberal and congress couldn't have done a damn thing about it, such as the Fed's continued ridiculous war on marijuana. The man laughs whenever anyone asks him a question about pot, like it's all a big joke.


I think the war on weed is completely idiotic, but I highly doubt Obama could have changed the Fed's policy on that without MASSIVE backlash. Sadly.
 
2012-01-04 02:12:38 AM

GhostFish: "If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything... It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution... You say, well, it's my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families... In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing."

What an asshole.


Santorum-- Gay is the door to bestiality, rape, infidelity, and all that is evil. And in his opinion, you have no right to privacy.

That should have been the nail in this bigot's political coffin, but unfortunately there is a sizeable slice of our population that agrees with him. What an asshole, indeed.
 
2012-01-04 02:14:11 AM

Yeah Whatever: Santorum: Link (new window)


Obligatory. :-)
 
2012-01-04 02:15:04 AM

ACallForPeace: This.
Our two-party system is effectively a mafia enforcer system at this point.
D: "Nice country you got there, it would be a shame if something happened to it. Like for example, Mr. R comes in and farks up the place, where would you be then?"
Additionally:
Why should OWS members support someone who's been such a friend to Wall Street, a neoliberal technocrat there to ensure business runs as profitably and smoothly as possible for those gambling or extracting from our lives?


No, our system is farked because the American public does not vote. The primaries have become an appeal to the fanatics, because your average joe sixpack does not give a fark. Only 41% of eligible Americans voted in the 2010 elections. Politicians may be influenced by lobbyists, but they have to get elected. If they actually have to woo constituents, then it becomes a different game. There are healthy democracies. But many of them have higher levels of participation.
 
2012-01-04 02:15:17 AM
It dawned on me while following some LiveBlogs on the caucus.

We are pretty much Iran.

What the hell happened?
 
2012-01-04 02:15:17 AM

WI241TH: And Iowa is one of 8 states thats good with gay marriage...mind boggling


We have a very significant population of wacko fundies. We actually voted out our supreme court judges over it. I'm willing to bet enough of our state legislature could overturn it if they wanted to commit political suicide.
 
2012-01-04 02:15:47 AM

shower_in_my_socks: From Sullivan's blog:

A reader's comment about Bachmann -- "The definition of tone-deaf: The entire country thinks your husband is gay, and the cute little anecdote you choose to pull out about him is that, while you were all campaigning, he was buying accessories for your dog."

LOL - did Bachmann really farking talk about that in her concession speech?


Yes, Marcus was out shopping for some fabulous doggie sunglasses.
 
2012-01-04 02:16:14 AM

Bill Frist: I think the war on weed is completely idiotic, but I highly doubt Obama could have changed the Fed's policy on that without MASSIVE backlash. Sadly.



I don't know. He was able to give gays a break by refusing to defend DOMA in court. There's shiat he can do to call off the dogs, when he wants to. The Feds could have NOT started raiding medical marijuana shops in Cali and the anti-drug nuts would have been none the wiser - it wouldn't have cost Obama a single vote.

I agree that congress and the blue dogs obviously f*cked a lot of legislation that he would have liked.
 
2012-01-04 02:16:17 AM
CNN and Wolf Blitzer are on the phone with the precinct that hasn't reported in, if the numbers being reported are correct it sounds like Romney wins Iowa by 20-something votes.
 
2012-01-04 02:16:53 AM

Smelly McUgly: It dawned on me while following some LiveBlogs on the caucus.

We are pretty much Iran.

What the hell happened?


Reagan
 
2012-01-04 02:18:04 AM
wow am I really gonna have to for obama again?
 
2012-01-04 02:19:05 AM

Dr.Zom: Let the mudslinging begin!


In american politics the mudslingin has never ended

None of these early polls mean shiat, romney is going to be the nominee, any other nominee will lose to obama.
 
2012-01-04 02:19:24 AM
well done subby. I hope ol' frothy gets the nom just so I can see more shiat-puns. I'm sure they will get stale but they definitely haven't done so yet.
 
2012-01-04 02:20:36 AM

the opposite of charity is justice: CNN and Wolf Blitzer are on the phone with the precinct that hasn't reported in, if the numbers being reported are correct it sounds like Romney wins Iowa by 20-something votes.


See that is why I don't believe in Iowa for anything. At least in Illinois we already have the results a few weeks before the election and we make sure our dead people have contributed to the democratic process.
 
2012-01-04 02:20:55 AM
Tip 'o the hat to subby.
 
2012-01-04 02:21:00 AM
Romney wins by 14 votes. Wow.
 
2012-01-04 02:21:59 AM
Mine was better: Santorum squeezes out come-from-behind win in Iowa.
 
2012-01-04 02:23:03 AM

ACallForPeace: And more cynically, as I noted before, either way the country ends up getting farked, it's a matter of degree and time. If you actually want a revolution or a backlash, you'll get it far faster by building up experience and support networks on the ground now and letting the Republicans win.


Well first of all, I don't think that's true - enabling a Republican to win just creates another layer of BS to have to roll back, a lot of which would be impossible with the filibuster in place in the senate.

Second of all, Obama has done more to advance liberal causes than anyone since Johnson. Just a few highlights to remember:

* Practically universal access to good, affordable/subsidized health care, coming down the pipeline; the benefits that have already been enacted, such as insuring children to age 26, have already expanded coverage to millions of previously uninsured.
* Credit card and lending reform
* Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell
* Ended private profiteering off student loans, and instituted a cap of student loan payments as a percent of income. (I don't think the effect of this has truly sunk in on students graduating with insane debt loads).

And in the two years before the GOP took over, he managed to create broad new investments in public transportation, basic science and medical research, green energy, and education. And all it took was 2 years of the GOP controlling one house of Congress to tear those fundamental investments to shreds.

Any sane liberal should be sick to their stomach at the prospect of handing over all three branches of government to the Teahadists, especially with some of the historical accomplishments we have seen.
 
2012-01-04 02:23:06 AM

The WindowLicker: ACallForPeace: This.
Our two-party system is effectively a mafia enforcer system at this point.
D: "Nice country you got there, it would be a shame if something happened to it. Like for example, Mr. R comes in and farks up the place, where would you be then?"
Additionally:
Why should OWS members support someone who's been such a friend to Wall Street, a neoliberal technocrat there to ensure business runs as profitably and smoothly as possible for those gambling or extracting from our lives?

No, our system is farked because the American public does not vote. The primaries have become an appeal to the fanatics, because your average joe sixpack does not give a fark. Only 41% of eligible Americans voted in the 2010 elections. Politicians may be influenced by lobbyists, but they have to get elected. If they actually have to woo constituents, then it becomes a different game. There are healthy democracies. But many of them have higher levels of participation.


Disagree that the percent voting has much to do with it, except for a generally uninformed electorate.

We have several structural issues though that really cause a lot of our problems (and which I see little chance of changing.) Chief among them:

1) We elect by plurality instead of majority. This ALWAYS leads to a two party system, since third parties can really only play spoiler (unless they somehow replace a failing member of the top two parties). And this two party system will always churn out candidates who have to talk in the blandest, vague way to appeal to the most people.

2) The gerrymandering of our districts has led to a situation where huge swaths of politicians run unopposed either literally or for all intents and purposes. As such, in a gerrymandered district the politician only has to worry about challenges to the right, if they are Republican, or left, if they are democratic. So they run on positions far more extreme than their state or country as a whole believes in.

3) We also have a media and a culture that places way too much praise or blame on the president, crediting him for things that the congress achieves. As such, we get the kind of situation we have now where it is actually beneficial for Republicans to actively harm the country, block judges and keep courts clogged, and in general fark everything up and obstruct everything because it will increase their chances in the next election.

I could go on but should go to sleep.
 
2012-01-04 02:23:24 AM
Santorum: Like your favorite answer on the quiz you didn't study for - (E) None of the Above
Romney: Is awesome except for the creepy polygamist cult thing
Paul: Ross Perot, if Perot was burning a cross on your lawn
Gingrich: He's fat, ugly, goes through wives like kleenex, and says stupid shiat
Bachmann: So farking crazy she's even less desirable than Gingrich
 
2012-01-04 02:24:27 AM

The WindowLicker: Stop thinking about your own butthurt feelings, and start being a goddamned American for once you whining pussy.


You sir are a massive douche. I'm not allowed to vote how I want? Assclown.
 
2012-01-04 02:25:50 AM

The WindowLicker: No, our system is farked because the American public does not vote. The primaries have become an appeal to the fanatics, because your average joe sixpack does not give a fark. Only 41% of eligible Americans voted in the 2010 elections.


Studies have pretty consistently shown that those who don't vote would rarely differ from those who do by enough of a margin to change the outcome of an election - certainly not by enough to cause any massive change in how government works.
 
2012-01-04 02:26:20 AM

TheSource: Mine was better: Santorum squeezes out come-from-behind win in Iowa.


That was actually a far better headline.
 
2012-01-04 02:26:52 AM

ACallForPeace: And more cynically, as I noted before, either way the country ends up getting farked, it's a matter of degree and time. If you actually want a revolution or a backlash, you'll get it far faster by building up experience and support networks on the ground now and letting the Republicans win.


I feel like hopefully radicals have been saying this for farking decades and guess what, no revolution has happened. And right now we are about the furthest from a revolution (in terms of the population's mindset, radical thinkers/leaders on the horizon, labor power, etc.) than we've been since the late 60s.
 
2012-01-04 02:27:10 AM
Iowa Republican Party official announcement in 2 minutes.
 
2012-01-04 02:27:36 AM

ACallForPeace: Our two-party system is effectively a mafia enforcer system at this point.
D: "Nice country you got there, it would be a shame if something happened to it. Like for example, Mr. R comes in and farks up the place, where would you be then?"


I see it like that, you see it like that, but does the rest of America? Nope.

Half of them think its the other way around. Half of them think Obama is soft on terror and the opposite of an Authoritarian.

Meanwhile, we've got a mix of views represented in the legislative branch, and its still a mess. Look at 2010 and the influx of the tea-party of NO.

Would I like some runoff voting, extra parties, etc? Of course. Would it matter, given the level of ignorance and apathy of our population?

We get what we vote for. I just found out an old friend of mine wants to vote for perry, because he's from texas. He doesn't know what his views are on anything. He didn't watch any of the debates, but doggone it he knows his champ when he sees him.

As you and I see it, with the Dems being mediocre and the Reps being horrible, one would THINK that the Democratic party would crush the worse option and a new alternative would rise up to try to take it back, wouldn't one? We can't even succeed at that much, and that is completely possible within our system. People, in large numbers, get up, go outside, and vote for terrible candidates.
 
2012-01-04 02:28:10 AM
I heard that the news Santorum's win was deliberately leaked prematurely.
 
2012-01-04 02:28:39 AM

Smelly McUgly: It dawned on me while following some LiveBlogs on the caucus.

We are pretty much Iran.

What the hell happened?


Because tyrannical rule via Christianity is the sacred path to heaven,not that dirty heathen religion of Islam so obviously it's totally different. Why won't you stop persecuting Christians?

/I'm just guessing that's what the people who voted for Santorum were thinking.
 
2012-01-04 02:29:29 AM

Enigmamf: And in the two years before the GOP took over, he managed to create broad new investments in public transportation, basic science and medical research, green energy, and education. And all it took was 2 years of the GOP controlling one house of Congress to tear those fundamental investments to shreds.

Any sane liberal should be sick to their stomach at the prospect of handing over all three branches of government to the Teahadists, especially with some of the historical accomplishments we have seen.


This. So much this.

I am really angry (you might not be able to tell) at the people who looked at what Obama did in his first two years, and were like "naaa, farkit I am not voting because of my loss of hopey change star power optimism." So incredibly spoiled and self centered, and I hold them directly responsible for the teahaddists shenanigans of the last two years.
 
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