dittybopper: So, you want to allow them to vote?

That is not the only way to have your voice be heard...

But to answer your question, no I don't think they should vote. But we have huge numbers of people in their 70s and older who vote and these 8 year olds have more skin in the game, they just don't know it yet.

You didn't answer if you think most adults understand these issues, not surprising.

HotWingConspiracy: Teen Wolf Blitzer: HotWingConspiracy: Teen Wolf Blitzer: Damn, here's one of the homes from the neighborhood in that school district:

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Compared to where I live, these people ARE the 1%.... They don't need a house that big. Capitalism pigs.

Wow. You...you aren't serious are you?

Some people have it all
But they still don't think they have enough
They want more money
A faster ride
They're not content
Never satisfied

Compared to where I live and what I drive, a two-story house and a new BMW sounds like the lap of luxury to me. They don't need a house that big or a car that fast. fark 'em.

Ok. I'm not seeing the path linking these kids to that house.

The specific house isn't important. Pick any house in that district. It's still a house. Which is more than what I have.

I used to be sad, now I'm satisfied
'Cause I really have enough
Though I lost my yacht and plane
Didn't need that extra stuff

Replace "yacht and plane" with "3/2 home and two cars" and I feel the same way.

Picture of me at 8 yo:

Teen Wolf Blitzer: HotWingConspiracy: Teen Wolf Blitzer: HotWingConspiracy: Teen Wolf Blitzer: Damn, here's one of the homes from the neighborhood in that school district:

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Compared to where I live, these people ARE the 1%.... They don't need a house that big. Capitalism pigs.

Wow. You...you aren't serious are you?

Some people have it all
But they still don't think they have enough
They want more money
A faster ride
They're not content
Never satisfied

Compared to where I live and what I drive, a two-story house and a new BMW sounds like the lap of luxury to me. They don't need a house that big or a car that fast. fark 'em.

Ok. I'm not seeing the path linking these kids to that house.

The specific house isn't important. Pick any house in that district. It's still a house. Which is more than what I have.

I used to be sad, now I'm satisfied
'Cause I really have enough
Though I lost my yacht and plane
Didn't need that extra stuff

Replace "yacht and plane" with "3/2 home and two cars" and I feel the same way.

Do you understand what the 99% and the 1% are?

I'm confident that the small group of wealthiest people on the planet don't send their kids to this school.

jso2897: Quite posslbly true. But I, myself, wouldn't reach that conclusion merely on the basis of the information provided, as my own experience, both as a child, and with children, have taught me not to underestimate what they are capable of.
That's all. No big whoop, here. The people who are getting mad at you for posting that shouldn't be.

To be fair to those who got mad, I do push it too. I know that. I can be an asshole. I also think people like Weaver and a bunch of others know i don't have anything against them even if we disagree on political things. The politics tab is like a trip into fight club. Go there, get dirty, leave. Visit other threads. The entertainment, geek, or sports tabs. Don't bring up politics in them(or religion. Don't talk about fight club). Most differences are quickly forgotten. We're all on Fark because we have a lot more in common than we have differences.

Some people grow up.
Some just grow old. (Fox news viewers)

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Mose: How am I the first with this?

Fark is slipping.

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Bah!

I'd like to point and laugh at you and say I was quicker on the draw, but since there were 200+ posts before I got around to it, I think that ship has sailed.

HotWingConspiracy:

Do you understand what the 99% and the 1% are?

I'm confident that the small group of wealthiest people on the planet don't send their kids to this school.

I understand that many self-proclaimed "99%ers" have way more than I do, and way more than they need. Draw the line at some arbitrary percentile if you want, but that doesn't put me in a house with a decent car, which many 99%ers have.

If I went to the low-income section of my city and showed them videos of the OWS protestors, they'd think they WERE the 1%, being able to take off work and stand around in designer clothes, tweeting from their latest iDevice. I can't afford an iPhone or a Macbook, but other 99%ers can? fark them, they don't need that shiat.

Teen Wolf Blitzer: HotWingConspiracy:

Do you understand what the 99% and the 1% are?

I'm confident that the small group of wealthiest people on the planet don't send their kids to this school.

I understand that many self-proclaimed "99%ers" have way more than I do, and way more than they need. Draw the line at some arbitrary percentile if you want, but that doesn't put me in a house with a decent car, which many 99%ers have.

If I went to the low-income section of my city and showed them videos of the OWS protestors, they'd think they WERE the 1%, being able to take off work and stand around in designer clothes, tweeting from their latest iDevice. I can't afford an iPhone or a Macbook, but other 99%ers can? fark them, they don't need that shiat.

Well put.

So 29 of the 44 campuses in the school dist. In which I work are elementary schools. I spend a lot of time around kids this age. I have yet to see an Occupy event break out in any Of these places.

An Anthem for the One Percenters

So have your driver mash the pedal
Run o'er the starving and the sick.
Then hire a few illegals
To clean the bloody slick.

Ignore the hippy dissenters,
Your trust funds are secure.
You blessed One Percenters
Keep the Country Club pure.

/written by the hired help of 8-year-olds at Summerlane College Prep Academy
/Sung to The Internationale

Teen Wolf Blitzer: HotWingConspiracy:

Do you understand what the 99% and the 1% are?

I'm confident that the small group of wealthiest people on the planet don't send their kids to this school.

I understand that many self-proclaimed "99%ers" have way more than I do, and way more than they need. Draw the line at some arbitrary percentile if you want, but that doesn't put me in a house with a decent car, which many 99%ers have.

Yes many have these things. Many don't. All in the 99%.

If I went to the low-income section of my city and showed them videos of the OWS protestors, they'd think they WERE the 1%,

Doubtful

being able to take off work and stand around in designer clothes, tweeting from their latest iDevice. I can't afford an iPhone or a Macbook, but other 99%ers can? fark them, they don't need that shiat.

You're on a computer farking around on the internet, holmes. Are you supposed to be working now?

You have some obvious axe to grind here.

Beaver1224: FirstNationalBastard: thomps: The controversy surrounding the song was first reported by the Weasel Zippers website.

i wonder what bob woodward would have called his blog were he just getting started today.

Wood In Your Face

Morning Woodward?

How Many Words Would A Woodward Write If A Woodward Could Write Words?

/Five times fast

Tobin_Lam: That seemed like a decent song that ties current events with "Money doesn't buy happiness."

So then it's just a ripoff of Can't Buy Me Love?

HotWingConspiracy:

You're on a computer farking around on the internet, holmes. Are you supposed to be working now?

You have some obvious axe to grind here.

I actually don't have an axe to grind, I'm just trying to illustrate how silly the whole "99%er" movement is, considering that many of the most outspoken proponents of the 99% are actually much better off than many people in the country, and share many attributes with those 1%ers they despise. Perhaps a yacht and a plane is considered luxurious and unnecessary to some, but a house and a Macbook Pro seems luxurious and unnecessary to some, as well.

I'm surprised that the more privileged of the "99%" haven't figured that out yet. It's all fine and dandy when you're pointing at people making $600K, but keep in mind many people think $60K is a treasure. I know I do.

I can believe that 8 year olds wrote virtually everything the OWS has published.

/OWS, how 2011. Getting a little nostalgic here.

Enough about the "one percent". In reality, 15 percent of the world makes the jobs for the other 85 percent.

US population: 309 million
Europe population: 739 million
World population: 6892 million

1048/6892 = 15.2%

It's not even arguable. The Western demand for cheap goods and services keeps over 5/6ths of the world from starving. So quit crying about the guy with the yachts and the private jets and be thankful that YOU are feeding lots of families just by hauling your fat butt to Walmart and spending hours on the phone getting tech support from some punk in Karachi. Stuff your face with more Cheesy-poofs and shut up.

I wish some kid would make up a song called "There is no Santa"

Santa teaches kids that adults are not honest.

At least OWS is a real thing.
Why not have kids discussing todays issues?

Oh yeah, You want them to stay ignorant. Look at how well that's working!!

Barbecue Bob: I wish some kid would make up a song called "There is no Santa"

Santa teaches kids that adults are not honest.

At least OWS is a real thing.
Why not have kids discussing todays issues?

Oh yeah, You want them to stay ignorant. Look at how well that's working!!

Now, now. We want our children to grow up to be Armageddon Warriors. To volunteer so Senators in Washington won't have to send their children to war.

Teen Wolf Blitzer: HotWingConspiracy:

You're on a computer farking around on the internet, holmes. Are you supposed to be working now?

You have some obvious axe to grind here.

I actually don't have an axe to grind, I'm just trying to illustrate how silly the whole "99%er" movement is, considering that many of the most outspoken proponents of the 99% are actually much better off than many people in the country, and share many attributes with those 1%ers they despise. Perhaps a yacht and a plane is considered luxurious and unnecessary to some, but a house and a Macbook Pro seems luxurious and unnecessary to some, as well.

I'm surprised that the more privileged of the "99%" haven't figured that out yet. It's all fine and dandy when you're pointing at people making $600K, but keep in mind many people think $60K is a treasure. I know I do.

I do too, I'd love to pull down 60k. But I appreciate that people with better means than me are aware of the skewed nature of our system and are speaking up about it. It may end up being to their detriment.

If you took out the words 99% and 1%, it'd just be a song that says money doesn't make you happy. It has no connection to any of the political issues or to anything that drove OWS. Even the verse where they were saying they used to be the 1% implies they don't know what the 1% is, other than rich. I don't know why it would be hard to believe some kid in a group of 8 year olds picked up two phrases from the TV. If someone were trying to 'indoctrinate' them into OWS related causes, I don't think the song would be about how happy they are to be the 99%, or how bad the 1%'s lives are.

Way to far in the thread for anyone to read, but I taught fifth grade in a meat packing town. Class was mostly hispanic. As a class exercise I told them we would be writting a letter to the president (Bush) who was visiting Mexico at the time. They were interested as most of their parents born in Mexico and had immigrated for work. The topic they picked to write about as a class was immegration reform and making it easier to become a U.S. citizen. The letter was well written and respectful. Given the opportunity children can be very insightful.

/CSB
//Left teaching in public school because I made to much money
///I also felt I'd "indoctrinated" enough people to think just like me

I love how they automatically assume the school put these kids up to this. The school lets them sing whatever they want as long as it isn't profane or violent. It's far more likely they got help from a parent or an older sibling. Who gives a crap?

Kids writing songs? We used to dream of having the time to write songs. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night--half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.

I know I'm chiming in a little late, but how is this different from CCD classes?

I think if someone wants to find their religious or political path in life, they should do it when they're an adult. That way, people are not brainwashed into a particular group as a child, and therefore, have a basis for an opinion other than what they've been spoon-fed their entire life.

If parents want to brainwash their children, politically or religiously, then that is their decision, but I don't see how they're any different from one another, aside from them being tangible and intangible, respectively.

Ya'll never had Weekly Reader (new window) in grade School? I bet there are some topics the Right would just love to see these kids learning (see 9/9 issue)!

Pocket Ninja: I wonder if the same people outraged by this would be outraged equally by this sort of thing:

Link (new window)

I mean, I'm sure they would, it's really just a rhetorical question.

Better link. Less filler. (new window)

muck4doo: 2wolves: WhyteRaven74: Instead of being upset about the kids, how about dealing with the issues? Being upset at the kids is just trying to shoot the messenger.

There you go again, being all logical and reasonable and stuff.

Using children as your messengers is kind of the deal. Try acting like adults and deliver the message yourselves instead of using kids as your pawns to do it. That's the problem. Of course I can see why you two want to use anything at your "disposal" to get your message across.

"Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

But whom is the fool?

/perhaps us all

thomps: it's refreshing to read the comments in tfa and see that the majority of the posters really are just bored grandparents.

I find it difficult to believe that people who are that stupid could possibly produce "genius" children and grandchildren.

pushmonk: Does no one in here have parents that actually talked about politics while you were in the room? I did, and I sure remember being around that age and having a very strong "opinion" about certain political things, because my dad was my hero and I thought he could do no wrong. Don't blame this on the school, blame it on the fact that these kids want to be like their parents, like most kids do at that age.

That's the age I learned to hate pundits. Dad would watch O'Really all the time, and I would always leave the room seething.

HoneyDog: I wonder if the same people outraged by this would be outraged equally by this sort of thing:

Do I like that sort of stuff? No. However, that said, it isn't the same. The camp is a camp the parents have to pay to send their kid to, so it's the parent's choice. Unless the parents have big bucks to spend to send their kid to private school, they have no choice but to send their kid to a public school. So no political viewpoint from EITHER side should be taught. The kids are there to learn the basics...reading, writing, math. They shouldn't be indoctrinated with either side's propaganda.

this isn't about sides, the 99% has been co-opted in your mind alone, divide and conquer

Tat'dGreaser: Jake Havechek: [CITATION NEEDED]

Oh go f*ck yourself. Someone posted it here on Fark, I'm not googling "guy sh*tting on flag at protest".

Then go take a nap, you're cranky.

Why don't we imagine that 99% of that class is who they say they are, what then? Can you indoctrinate the choir?

Tat'dGreaser: Jake Havechek: I know you are bullshiating as that pic was from another protest, but you're too lazy to even lie successfully.

Well thanks, you've completely turned me over to your side. Next time I'll make sure I have a notepad with at least 25-30 links to obscure websites just so I can please you.

Or maybe I'll just have a f*cking opinion of my own.

That you won't be able to back up when asked. Good plan.

Tat'dGreaser: Jake Havechek: A wrong opinion is perfectly valid in your case, so there you go.

This kind of attitude is why people have a problem with this whole thing. I should have stuck with name calling instead of trying to calmly explain myself.

And this is where your childishness crosses the line. Goodbye, unnecessarily angry man. Hopefully someday you can channel all that energy into something constructive.

The lack of scatological references in the lyrics is highly suspicious.

BravadoGT: Who could possibly have a problem with public schools indoctrinating 8-year olds with anti-capitalist propaganda?

Being part of the 99% just means you're not making $350,000+/year. Seriously. That's not anticapitalist, it's a statement of fact. At $350,000/year, you're making about 10 times median income in the US.

2wolves: WhyteRaven74: Instead of being upset about the kids, how about dealing with the issues? Being upset at the kids is just trying to shoot the messenger.

There you go again, being all logical and reasonable and stuff.

Hah, when did this become KATU's comment section?

/seriously, the most prolific commenters on that site are just plain retarded.
//KOMO, too.
///Worse than FOX.

ordinarysteve: Young people are naturally attracted to this sort of this sort of thing.
"If at age 20 you are not a Communist then you have no heart. If at age 30 you are not a Capitalist then you have no brains." George Bernard Shaw
damn those kids for not being greedy, jaded arseholes like everyone else

Fixed that for Shaw.

fark'emfeed'emfish: this isn't about sides, the 99% has been co-opted in your mind alone, divide and conquer

Really? Then why was Occupy Chicago so happy to carry the Chicago Public Teacher's Union's water during the take over of the Board of Education meeting last month?

public employee union activists have been embedded with OWS since very nearly the beginning.

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: At anyone who reads this no matter which side you take, what would you teach kids when they're at a young, impressionable age and how is it not brainwashing?

Odds are if you're in a public school, you're not rich. So, statement of fact.

Tat'dGreaser: The mentality that if you don't agree with the Occupy movement then obviously you're a corporate whore is pretty ridiculous and childish.

So, I suppose the best way to counter that is being ridiculous and childish, eh?

Get over it, not everyone agrees with how this whole thing has been handled.

Just because you're not willing to acknowledge the truth doesn't mean it isn't true.

Tat'dGreaser: For instance seeing people defecating on the American flag does not help your movement.

Police cars are flags now? I guess we could run it up the flagpole and see.

/who salutes but no one ever does.

muck4doo: thamike: muck4doo: why is this indoctrination okay

It's just a song about how rich their parents aren't. The kids wrote it. There's no "indoctrination" going on here, and the OWS people are frustrated at the exact same things as the Teabaggers, so it's not as if this is some one-sided obscure "doctrine." Their parents are frustrated, their teachers are frustrated, so they wrote a song about it. Reacting to current events in creative ways was common when I was in elementary school.

Some people have it all
But they still don't think they have enough
They want more money
A faster ride
They're not content
Never satisfied
Yes - they're the 1 percent

I used to be one of the 1 percent
I worked all the time
Never saw my family
Couldn't make life rhyme
Then the bubble burst
It really, really hurt
I lost my money
Lost my pride
Lost my home
Now I'm part of the 99

Some people have it all
But they still don't think they have enough
They want more money
A faster ride
They're not content
Never satisfied
Yes - they're the 1 percent

I used to be sad, now I'm satisfied
'Cause I really have enough
Though I lost my yacht and plane
Didn't need that extra stuff
Could have been much worse
You don't need to be first
'Cause I've got my friends
Here by my side
Don't need it all
I'm so happy to be part of the 99

Yeah, I'm convinced an 8 year old came up with that.

Oh, come come. Don't you know, that all 8-year-olds know what 1% is ? I mean, it's like 10 people out of a 100....