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IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

or he does not realize that he has little better at pass blocking than swiss cheese in front of stick stickly.

IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

Blame the next OC?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Marineli shown the door, too. Whole new defensive mindset. Fat chance that'll happen with Smith still there, though.

IAmRight: /quick, no one blame Mike Tice Jerry Angelo/i>

Tice could only work with the schlock and retreads he was given.

As a Bears fan I personally think that they should dump ALL the coaches.

Start over fresh!!!

As a Packer fan, I fully endorse the Bears decision to keep Lovie Smith.

The Bears started the season 7-3, then lost their 2 best offensive players. Jerry Angelo's ineptitude at selecting talent was laid bare with the awesome performances of Caleb Haney, and Marion Barber. They had already changed the Martz defense at Cutler's behest because.. it was terribad. Hell if Marion Barber doesn't go out of bounds against the Ponies, they are losing to the Giants this weekend. Lovies has been making Chicken salad out of the chicken shiat Angelo has given him.

Good riddens, Jerry! And take Darryl Drake with you.

IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

As someone whose hometown hero is Mike Tice, the guy deserves another Head coaching job.

/had his old football locker in high school

IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

No, Martz just designs plays that make an O lineman's job more difficult than need be.

To be fair to Mike Tice, given that the first half of the season last year, and the first 3 games of this year, the Mike OutsMartz play calling insisting on "5 step drops with 5 average to below average receivers running around and leaving no one to block," it's amazing that Cutler didn't get killed.

I'd be more than happy to have Tice be the OC, being a offensive line coach, at least he'll appreciate things like "a balanced attack" and "a running game."

Martz spent way too much time calling plays as if his player were on his fantasy football team, or thinking that his job was playing Madden 2011.

Your_Huckleberry: IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

Blame the next OC?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Marineli shown the door, too. Whole new defensive mindset. Fat chance that'll happen with Smith still there, though.

Why, because the line doesn't get sacks? You realize that outside of the flashier statistics, Da Bears actually have a pretty nasty defense? I wish I had a link to the article I read the other day that highlighted those other statistics.

snowshovel: To be fair to Mike Tice, given that the first half of the season last year, and the first 3 games of this year, the Mike OutsMartz play calling insisting on "5 step drops with 5 average to below average receivers running around and leaving no one to block," it's amazing that Cutler didn't get killed.

I'd be more than happy to have Tice be the OC, being a offensive line coach, at least he'll appreciate things like "a balanced attack" and "a running game."

Martz spent way too much time calling plays as if his player were on his fantasy football team, or thinking that his job was playing Madden 2011.

I think Cutler has been sacked like 100 times in the past 2 seasons. Remember the Giants game where he couldn't count to potato? The NFC Championship game? The injury this time wasn't the O-Line's fault at least.

Better news is Angelo getting fired. Though the Bears are fully capable of hiring someone worse.

7 step drops all day.

Mike Martz
56-36 Regular season, 3-4 in the playoffs.

Mike Tice
32-33-0, 1-1 in the playoffs.

A very bad decision for Chicago.

DeathByGeekSquad: Your_Huckleberry: IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

Blame the next OC?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Marineli shown the door, too. Whole new defensive mindset. Fat chance that'll happen with Smith still there, though.

Why, because the line doesn't get sacks? You realize that outside of the flashier statistics, Da Bears actually have a pretty nasty defense? I wish I had a link to the article I read the other day that highlighted those other statistics.

You really think that's a nasty defense? They're pretty good against the run, really good actually. But IFIRC, they are near the bottom in pass defense and I;m pretty sure they rank in the mid to low teens in total defense. I wouldn't exactly call those flashier stats. And yes, it'd be great to get more sacks but just getting more pressure on the quarterback would work just as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm a life long Bears fan and I want this defense to rank with Pittsburgh and Baltimore every year, but they just don't seem to. I know they do not play the Tampa Two all the time, but are they not pretty much the last team that plays that scheme? Maybe Indy? Granted, the defense is better with Marineli running it than Smith full time. Remember those blowouts at the hands of the Cards, Bengals and Vikings three years ago? At least they don't get shoved around like that anymore.

Thrawn: As a Packer fan, I fully endorse the Bears decision to keep Lovie Smith.

I dont know, Mrs. Howell is phenomenal at making adjustments about week 4.

Too bad she cant get it set up straight to begin with.

Your_Huckleberry: DeathByGeekSquad: Your_Huckleberry: IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

Blame the next OC?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Marineli shown the door, too. Whole new defensive mindset. Fat chance that'll happen with Smith still there, though.

Why, because the line doesn't get sacks? You realize that outside of the flashier statistics, Da Bears actually have a pretty nasty defense? I wish I had a link to the article I read the other day that highlighted those other statistics.

You really think that's a nasty defense? They're pretty good against the run, really good actually. But IFIRC, they are near the bottom in pass defense and I;m pretty sure they rank in the mid to low teens in total defense. I wouldn't exactly call those flashier stats. And yes, it'd be great to get more sacks but just getting more pressure on the quarterback would work just as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm a life long Bears fan and I want this defense to rank with Pittsburgh and Baltimore every year, but they just don't seem to. I know they do not play the Tampa Two all the time, but are they not pretty much the last team that plays that scheme? Maybe Indy? Granted, the defense is better with Marineli running it than Smith full time. Remember those blowouts at the hands of the Cards, Bengals and Vikings three years ago? At least they don't get shoved around like that anymore.

Passing Yards will be high because of how they run the scheme. One of the stats they're near the top of the league in this year was lowest 'big gain' passing plays against them. The system is designed to force an opposing offense to wind the clock down themselves when Da Bears are ahead by reducing the chance of a large gain play. We've had makeshift personnel, and I hope upgrades make the system more productive. It does, however, work.

Don't buy into all of the media hype, I've read enough stories moaning how the game was lost because of Cover-2 on specific plays, when they weren't even in Cover-2 for those plays.
They're consistently ranked well
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Take note of the Avg Opposing QB Rating. A number of the 'high sack' teams allowed the Opposing QB to have a much better rating.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Mike Martz
56-36 Regular season, 3-4 in the playoffs.

Mike Tice
32-33-0, 1-1 in the playoffs.

A very bad decision for Chicago.

Just the fact that he doesn't allow QB audibles is enough for me to be OK with this. Not happy about 3 OC's in as almost as many years for this offense. Not to mention that it was starting to click when the Bears were healthy this year...even so, the guy is an egomaniac and I don't think there will be any tears shed in Chicago after this news.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cutler have a lot more say in the offensive play calling next year, not to mention the ability to run an audible when needs be.

Your_Huckleberry: DeathByGeekSquad: Your_Huckleberry: IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

Blame the next OC?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Marineli shown the door, too. Whole new defensive mindset. Fat chance that'll happen with Smith still there, though.

Why, because the line doesn't get sacks? You realize that outside of the flashier statistics, Da Bears actually have a pretty nasty defense? I wish I had a link to the article I read the other day that highlighted those other statistics.

You really think that's a nasty defense? They're pretty good against the run, really good actually. But IFIRC, they are near the bottom in pass defense and I;m pretty sure they rank in the mid to low teens in total defense. I wouldn't exactly call those flashier stats. And yes, it'd be great to get more sacks but just getting more pressure on the quarterback would work just as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm a life long Bears fan and I want this defense to rank with Pittsburgh and Baltimore every year, but they just don't seem to. I know they do not play the Tampa Two all the time, but are they not pretty much the last team that plays that scheme? Maybe Indy? Granted, the defense is better with Marineli running it than Smith full time. Remember those blowouts at the hands of the Cards, Bengals and Vikings three years ago? At least they don't get shoved around like that anymore.

They're 28th in passing yards, but that's in part because of the fact they are the second most thrown on team in the league: They're 7th best in yards per attempt tied for 13th in TDs, their biggest problem is getting pressure(19th in sacks). Oh, and tied for 6th in INTs.

Oh, also, 8th best for passer rating against.

El Brujo: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Mike Martz
56-36 Regular season, 3-4 in the playoffs.

Mike Tice
32-33-0, 1-1 in the playoffs.

A very bad decision for Chicago.

Just the fact that he doesn't allow QB audibles is enough for me to be OK with this. Not happy about 3 OC's in as almost as many years for this offense. Not to mention that it was starting to click when the Bears were healthy this year...even so, the guy is an egomaniac and I don't think there will be any tears shed in Chicago after this news.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cutler have a lot more say in the offensive play calling next year, not to mention the ability to run an audible when needs be.

From all of the interviews by him and about him, he seems like a sharp guy. One of the common traits people say about him is that he's got a lot of football intelligence. I hope this can translate to appropriate audible calls that will tear the heart out of defenses.

I honestly felt really bad for Cutler this year. You could see it in his face sometimes, he knew he was about to get farked by a bunch of huge DEs after the snap, and that there was little he could do about it. Yes, the continuity with the OC won't be there, but hopefully whoever they bring in will have either a system he's used before or something that can be picked up quickly based on prior experience.

The dude literally put his career on the line night after night, and didn't come out publicly bashing Martz (that mic incident doesn't count, it wasn't meant to be public!).

Pratty: Your_Huckleberry: DeathByGeekSquad: Your_Huckleberry: IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

Blame the next OC?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Marineli shown the door, too. Whole new defensive mindset. Fat chance that'll happen with Smith still there, though.

Why, because the line doesn't get sacks? You realize that outside of the flashier statistics, Da Bears actually have a pretty nasty defense? I wish I had a link to the article I read the other day that highlighted those other statistics.

You really think that's a nasty defense? They're pretty good against the run, really good actually. But IFIRC, they are near the bottom in pass defense and I;m pretty sure they rank in the mid to low teens in total defense. I wouldn't exactly call those flashier stats. And yes, it'd be great to get more sacks but just getting more pressure on the quarterback would work just as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm a life long Bears fan and I want this defense to rank with Pittsburgh and Baltimore every year, but they just don't seem to. I know they do not play the Tampa Two all the time, but are they not pretty much the last team that plays that scheme? Maybe Indy? Granted, the defense is better with Marineli running it than Smith full time. Remember those blowouts at the hands of the Cards, Bengals and Vikings three years ago? At least they don't get shoved around like that anymore.

They're 28th in passing yards, but that's in part because of the fact they are the second most thrown on team in the league: They're 7th best in yards per attempt tied for 13th in TDs, their biggest problem is getting pressure(19th in sacks). Oh, and tied for 6th in INTs.

Pressure is relative. You can't use only Sack to look at pressuring the QB. They've had a number of low sack games where they were CONSTANTLY after the QB.

DeathByGeekSquad: Pratty: Your_Huckleberry: DeathByGeekSquad: Your_Huckleberry: IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

Blame the next OC?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Marineli shown the door, too. Whole new defensive mindset. Fat chance that'll happen with Smith still there, though.

Why, because the line doesn't get sacks? You realize that outside of the flashier statistics, Da Bears actually have a pretty nasty defense? I wish I had a link to the article I read the other day that highlighted those other statistics.

You really think that's a nasty defense? They're pretty good against the run, really good actually. But IFIRC, they are near the bottom in pass defense and I;m pretty sure they rank in the mid to low teens in total defense. I wouldn't exactly call those flashier stats. And yes, it'd be great to get more sacks but just getting more pressure on the quarterback would work just as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm a life long Bears fan and I want this defense to rank with Pittsburgh and Baltimore every year, but they just don't seem to. I know they do not play the Tampa Two all the time, but are they not pretty much the last team that plays that scheme? Maybe Indy? Granted, the defense is better with Marineli running it than Smith full time. Remember those blowouts at the hands of the Cards, Bengals and Vikings three years ago? At least they don't get shoved around like that anymore.

They're 28th in passing yards, but that's in part because of the fact they are the second most thrown on team in the league: They're 7th best in yards per attempt tied for 13th in TDs, their biggest problem is getting pressure(19th in sacks). Oh, and tied for 6th in INTs.

Pressure is relative. You can't use only Sack to look at pressuring the QB. They've had a number of low sack games where they were CONSTANTLY after the QB.

Maybe, but I haven't really watched many Bears games, sooooooooooo I just went by the stats there.

Warmachine999: As a Bears fan I personally think that they should dump ALL the coaches.

Start over fresh!!!

I can't believe Lovie is still there. Damn It!

/Never forget the Dragon.

Good decision by the Bears, there are only a few teams built for Martz style offense: the Saints, Eagles, and Lions. Any other team has way to many personnel mismatches that just don't fit the scheme. Maybe the Patriots but there best two receivers are tight ends and Martz has only proven himself capable of effectively working with are wide receivers. He may get another offensive coordinator job, but unless its a team with personnel that fits the style of offense he coaches it will be another failure.

El Brujo: Just the fact that he doesn't allow QB audibles is enough for me to be OK with this

In the NFL not allowing audibles is just insane.

FreakinB: El Brujo: Just the fact that he doesn't allow QB audibles is enough for me to be OK with this.

Wait...what?! Are you serious? How have I never heard this?

I mean, an unproven/rookie QB I can sort of understand. But Jay farkin' Cutler? Has this been the case all along? Even with Warner and the Rams?

I mean...wow.

I believe so (or not, as it were)

From a prior interview:

The next big revelation came from the standpoint that Martz states "there are no audibles within this offense, and so if you don't audible what do you have to do?" The answer comes from the host "hot routes and sight adjust." So the Bears won't be running audibles out of this offense only making sight adjustments and then calling for hot routes based on what they are seeing the defense do.

In my mind, if you can't allow your QB to do these sorts of things, which the elite of the league do quite often, you're not creating the best system to win. If Cutler sees something bad happening on the D, he should be able to change the play.

We'll see if the Bears have the proper IQ factor in the WR corps to handle that, I guess.

Now that JA is gone, I guess we don't draft another S and DE in the first 2 rounds (oh darn). I think the needs are (OT, WR, LB, S, DE, OG/C, CB, DT, QB, etc) in roughly that order.

WhyteRaven74: El Brujo: Just the fact that he doesn't allow QB audibles is enough for me to be OK with this

In the NFL not allowing audibles is just insane.

Yup. It's reckless, arrogant, and stupid. The best in the game do it...

Thank god. This team is void of talent in a lot of positions. Just think: if Johnny Knox hadn't slipped about 7 weeks ago, Angelo and Martz would probably still be around.

forgotmydamnusername: IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

No, Martz just designs plays that make an O lineman's job more difficult than need be.

A sample page from the Mike Martz playbook:

FreakinB: El Brujo: Just the fact that he doesn't allow QB audibles is enough for me to be OK with this.

Wait...what?! Are you serious? How have I never heard this?

I mean, an unproven/rookie QB I can sort of understand. But Jay farkin' Cutler? Has this been the case all along? Even with Warner and the Rams?

I mean...wow.

WhyteRaven74: El Brujo: Just the fact that he doesn't allow QB audibles is enough for me to be OK with this

In the NFL not allowing audibles is just insane.

Maybe Jay Cutler isnt brighter than your average unproven rookie. Just because you can heave it, doesent mean you should be making decisions.

Clearly, this is what Martz thought, anyway.

/ If you see something and need to change the play, is that a GOOD thing if you havent shown the ability to see something correctly?

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Mike Martz
56-36 Regular season, 3-4 in the playoffs.

Mike Tice
32-33-0, 1-1 in the playoffs.

A very bad decision for Chicago.

Meh....Just like Herm Edwards it looks like he benefited from Vermeil putting together a great team before driving it into the ground.

Hey martz, you mad bro?

You should follow your gm/owner's son to A seedy Tijuana motel like I did sometime.

Kurt Warner made Martz. Too bad he was crucified for it.

hbk72777: As someone whose hometown hero is Mike Tice, the guy deserves another Head coaching job.

/had his old football locker in high school

Mike Tice has the intelligence of a potato, so why anyone hires him as a coach I have no idea. Seriously. I remember some of the pre-game interviews with him, where I would swear he was retarded.

As a Packers fan, I hope he becomes Chicago's head coach though!

IAmRight: Because clearly he tells his offensive line coaches to tell his offensive lines not to block.

/quick, no one blame Mike Tice

I'm not going to blame Martz for the bad offensive line. Angelo deserves the blame for that, and he got it yesterday. What I will blame Martz for is having to be told to scale his offense to the team he has. It was the same story last year and this year. He goes full Martz at the beginning of the season, gets Cutler pounded to a pulp, and then in the bye week someone (Lovie?) tells him to change his play calling.

If you have that offensive line and have to be told that maybe you shouldn't call so many 7 step drops, you deserve to be fired. If you have to be told that Forte is a good back and maybe you should call more running plays, you deserve to be fired.

Besides, Martz really isn't the best fit for Jay's skills. Jay needs more moving pockets, bootlegs, and the permission to call audibles when he sees that he's about to have Matthews sitting on his head.

One of the things that makes the Packers great is that they built around their single best asset: Aaron Rodgers. Everything they do plays to his strengths. The Bears have to do the same thing with Jay. He may not be as good as Rodgers, but he is their single most important asset.

snowshovel: I'd be more than happy to have Tice be the OC, being a offensive line coach, at least he'll appreciate things like "a balanced attack" and "a running game."

I'm not really sure if the guy who thought the Randy Ratio was a good idea is really the guy we want calling an offense.

Lando Lincoln: Thrawn: As a Packer fan, I fully endorse the Bears decision to keep Lovie Smith.

Lovie Smith record:

8 years, 3 NFC North titles, 1 Superbowl (loss)

If Cutler and Forte hadn't gotten hurt, we'd be in the playoffs again this year.

I dunno. That seems like a pretty good coaching job to me.

I have nothing against Lovie, but you absolutely need a strong offensive coordinator.

Lando Lincoln: Thrawn: As a Packer fan, I fully endorse the Bears decision to keep Lovie Smith.

Lovie Smith record:

8 years, 3 NFC North titles, 1 Superbowl (loss)

If Cutler and Forte hadn't gotten hurt, we'd be in the playoffs again this year.

I dunno. That seems like a pretty good coaching job to me.

His record against the Packers: 8-9

Lovie seems to be a good coach, and this packer fan wants to see the whole NFC north do well, so I'm glad the Bears still have him. Maybe with a new OC, Jay won't look dissapointed to be playing football all the time.