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Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 09:38:48 AM
whaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaa
 
Rapmaster2000
2012-01-03 09:50:58 AM
"A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!
 
GAT_00 [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 09:59:10 AM
Only 7.2%? THE WORLD IS ENDING.
 
Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 10:10:49 AM
GAT_00: Only 7.2%? THE WORLD IS ENDING DEFLATING.

ftfy
 
TeddyBallGame
2012-01-03 10:11:53 AM
The Brady Bunch one or the Price is Right one? BIG difference in how I feel about this.
 
Grand_Moff_Joseph [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 10:14:33 AM
"Bulls at Oppenheimer & Co. and Citigroup Inc. say record profits and improving U.S. economic data will propel stocks after the S&P 500 advanced 86 percent since March 2009."


Nearly a 100% increase in three years? Obama's anti-business climate has truly exacted a huge toll on big business.
 
GAT_00 [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 10:25:06 AM
Tr0mBoNe: GAT_00: Only 7.2%? THE WORLD IS ENDING DEFLATING.

ftfy

7.2% growth is deflation?
 
ThatGuyFromTheInternet [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 10:32:00 AM
To be fair, the economy's very cold, and the S&P was just swimming just now.
 
rumpelstiltskin [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 11:33:13 AM
Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Bulls at Oppenheimer & Co. and Citigroup Inc. say record profits and improving U.S. economic data will propel stocks after the S&P 500 advanced 86 percent since March 2009."


Nearly a 100% increase in three years? Obama's anti-business climate has truly exacted a huge toll on big business.

It only looks that way, since the markets dropped so much after the Democrats took control of congress in 2006.
 
Tr0mBoNe [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 12:00:55 PM
GAT_00: Tr0mBoNe: GAT_00: Only 7.2%? THE WORLD IS ENDING DEFLATING.

ftfy

7.2% growth is deflation?

Sorry, I thought this was about loss of wealth. My bad, I'll leave :)
 
jake_lex [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 01:09:34 PM
TeddyBallGame: The Brady Bunch one or the Price is Right one? BIG difference in how I feel about this.

I think it's a tuba on the Price is Right.

/buh buh buh buuuuuuuuh
//waaaaaaaaaaaaaah
 
Tommy Moo
2012-01-03 01:10:18 PM
I prefer the sad tuba from the Price is Right.
 
undflickertail
2012-01-03 01:17:32 PM
TeddyBallGame: The Brady Bunch one or the Price is Right one? BIG difference in how I feel about this.

APM Marketplace's trombones.
 
WastedHero
2012-01-03 01:17:38 PM
Clever headline is clever.
 
Hollie Maea
2012-01-03 01:32:15 PM
Tr0mBoNe: GAT_00: Tr0mBoNe: GAT_00: Only 7.2%? THE WORLD IS ENDING DEFLATING.

ftfy

7.2% growth is deflation?

Sorry, I thought this was about loss of wealth. My bad, I'll leave :)

And you'll leave sad!
 
Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher
2012-01-03 01:41:52 PM
We're going to try and predict where the S&P will be in a year? Is that not unlike trying to predict the weather a year from now? Hell, even the weather is easier since you know it'll be colder when it is winter. There is so much that could happen in the next year that there is no way to accurately predict something like that. I'd very much like to see the guy who got the closest for 2011 and then see how he did every year for the previous 10 years. Why even bother with this exercise?
 
iaazathot
2012-01-03 01:58:11 PM
rumpelstiltskin: Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Bulls at Oppenheimer & Co. and Citigroup Inc. say record profits and improving U.S. economic data will propel stocks after the S&P 500 advanced 86 percent since March 2009."


Nearly a 100% increase in three years? Obama's anti-business climate has truly exacted a huge toll on big business.

It only looks that way, since the markets dropped so much after the Democrats took control of congress in 2006.

Herp derp, herp...
 
rumpelstiltskin [TotalFark]
2012-01-03 02:43:39 PM
iaazathot:
Herp derp, herp...

Herp derp herp? Who do you think is going to write the history of this recession? Some scruffy OWS protesters? In 30 years, they're all going to be sucking down shots at sad old taverns, wailing "I know what happened. I was there."
They're losers, and losers don't get listened to.
Meanwile, the University of Chicago will be pumping out clever young economists, who will blame everything squarely on the peasants who borrowed to buy TVs and cars they were too lazy to make themselves, then borrowed some more so they could live in nice houses, and borrowed even more so they could study art history at private colleges.
 
Shazam999
2012-01-03 02:48:13 PM
Rapmaster2000: "A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW.
 
strapp3r
2012-01-03 02:51:21 PM
not sad anymore

t0.gstatic.com
 
Moopy Mac
2012-01-03 03:02:18 PM
Shazam999: Rapmaster2000: "A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW.

I thought studies have shown that statistically Dollar Cost Averaging is not beneficial?
 
Moopy Mac
2012-01-03 03:04:17 PM
Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Rapmaster2000: "A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW.

I thought studies have shown that statistically Dollar Cost Averaging is not beneficial?

To clarify, I believe the studies that I've read are on DCA and not continuous, automatic investing.
 
Shazam999
2012-01-03 03:06:17 PM
Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Rapmaster2000: "A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW.

I thought studies have shown that statistically Dollar Cost Averaging is not beneficial?

Well, timing entry into the markets is somewhere between useless and useless, so just DCA if you're concerned about that.
 
Moopy Mac
2012-01-03 03:21:28 PM
Shazam999: Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Rapmaster2000: "A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW.

I thought studies have shown that statistically Dollar Cost Averaging is not beneficial?

Well, timing entry into the markets is somewhere between useless and useless, so just DCA if you're concerned about that.

That is accomplished through continuous, automatic investing. True DCA requires that you have the money, but are just investing it over time in a stock or series of stocks.

The question I always had/have is what do you do with that money (the capital for DCA) in the meantime?
 
Shazam999
2012-01-03 03:24:07 PM
Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Rapmaster2000: "A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW.

I thought studies have shown that statistically Dollar Cost Averaging is not beneficial?

Well, timing entry into the markets is somewhere between useless and useless, so just DCA if you're concerned about that.

That is accomplished through continuous, automatic investing. True DCA requires that you have the money, but are just investing it over time in a stock or series of stocks.

The question I always had/have is what do you do with that money (the capital for DCA) in the meantime?

Eh? Put the money into a bond ETF or if your brokerage has a low-interest account, put it in there.

What does having a pile of money at the start have to do with DCA anyhow?
 
Moopy Mac
2012-01-03 03:32:45 PM
Shazam999: Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Rapmaster2000: "A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW.

I thought studies have shown that statistically Dollar Cost Averaging is not beneficial?

Well, timing entry into the markets is somewhere between useless and useless, so just DCA if you're concerned about that.

That is accomplished through continuous, automatic investing. True DCA requires that you have the money, but are just investing it over time in a stock or series of stocks.

The question I always had/have is what do you do with that money (the capital for DCA) in the meantime?

Eh? Put the money into a bond ETF or if your brokerage has a low-interest account, put it in there.

What does having a pile of money at the start have to do with DCA anyhow?

Because that is what DCA really is. Having a pile of money and investing it over time on a stock or series of stocks.

A monthly 401k contribution isn't Dollar Cost Averaging, it is just investing over time.

Wiki explains it nicely:

"Discussions of the problems with DCA can do a disservice to investors who confuse DCA with continuous, automatic investing. Unfortunately this confusion of terms is perpetuated by many sources discussing automatic investing. The argued weakness of DCA arises in the context of having the option to invest a lump sum, but choosing to use DCA instead."
 
Shazam999
2012-01-03 03:34:56 PM
Yes... I understand. But if your cash flow allows you to invest your targeted # of units per month, then it's the same, right?
 
Moopy Mac
2012-01-03 03:58:58 PM
Shazam999: Yes... I understand. But if your cash flow allows you to invest your targeted # of units per month, then it's the same, right?

I think it is general common sense that you invest some of your cash flow into something. So I don't think there is much of a discussion about the appropriateness of taking that course of action (regular investing).

The real question is, if I have $10K right now in cash, am I better off putting it all into an investment right now or investing (for example) $500 a month into that investments for the next 20 months?
 
Shazam999
2012-01-03 04:06:16 PM
Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Yes... I understand. But if your cash flow allows you to invest your targeted # of units per month, then it's the same, right?

I think it is general common sense that you invest some of your cash flow into something. So I don't think there is much of a discussion about the appropriateness of taking that course of action (regular investing).

The real question is, if I have $10K right now in cash, am I better off putting it all into an investment right now or investing (for example) $500 a month into that investments for the next 20 months?

Like I said, if you're that concerned about market timing, then DCA it.
 
Lt. Col. Angus
2012-01-03 04:28:29 PM
Tr0mBoNe: whaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaa

I think most have underestimated the quality of this post.
 
Moopy Mac
2012-01-03 05:00:54 PM
Shazam999: Moopy Mac: Shazam999: Yes... I understand. But if your cash flow allows you to invest your targeted # of units per month, then it's the same, right?

I think it is general common sense that you invest some of your cash flow into something. So I don't think there is much of a discussion about the appropriateness of taking that course of action (regular investing).

The real question is, if I have $10K right now in cash, am I better off putting it all into an investment right now or investing (for example) $500 a month into that investments for the next 20 months?

Like I said, if you're that concerned about market timing, then DCA it.

But I think that's where research has shown that DCA is not beneficial in the majority of situations. Rather, if you want to be part of an investment, it is usually better to go all in upfront than go the DCA route.
 
Erik_Emune
2012-01-03 05:04:12 PM
Hmmm. How about we round up all the "equity strategists" we can find, dip them in luke-warm pitch and roll them in derivative investment analysis papers (and carpet tacks), then tell them to wash up and go get an honest job in the real economy - the one where companies make useful stuff that people like to buy?

(Yes, I've been reading Roger L. Martin over the holidays.)
 
MusicMakeMyHeadPound
2012-01-03 05:04:54 PM
Sad trombone like "waaah waaah" or Sad trombone like she's crying while giving me a hands-on BJ?

/DRTFA
 
Reverend Monkeypants
2012-01-04 08:31:58 AM
rumpelstiltskin: iaazathot:
Herp derp, herp...

Herp derp herp? Who do you think is going to write the history of this recession? Some scruffy OWS protesters? In 30 years, they're all going to be sucking down shots at sad old taverns, wailing "I know what happened. I was there."
They're losers, and losers don't get listened to.
Meanwile, the University of Chicago will be pumping out clever young economists, who will blame everything squarely on the peasants who borrowed to buy TVs and cars they were too lazy to make themselves, then borrowed some more so they could live in nice houses, and borrowed even more so they could study art history at private colleges.

That's funny because being an economist is as useful to society as being an art history major.
 
jst3p
2012-01-04 10:32:56 AM
Shazam999: Rapmaster2000: "A year is a long time. Will there be better entry points than right now? We think the answer is yes."

Of course there will be better entry points for all kinds of investments. The better question is which and when? Good to see that MBA is paying off!

Dollar Cost Averaging FTW.

Not really.

Link (new window)

TLDR version: It doesn't really work.
 
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