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(Some Guy)   Egypt: Yesterday, when we said we plan on respecting our 33 year old peace treaty with Israel, we didn't really mean it. We would rather go back to the days when the Israelis were beating us like a drum. Thank you sir May I have another?   (jta.org) divider line 260
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2012-01-03 09:58:15 AM
It'll be a 6 minute war what with the cruise missiles and nukes.
 
2012-01-03 10:27:00 AM
I'd like to walk like one.
 
2012-01-03 10:27:18 AM
See, Egypt, this is why you can't have nice things. Like democracy.
 
2012-01-03 10:28:07 AM
i.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-01-03 10:29:04 AM
This should end well.
 
2012-01-03 10:29:12 AM
Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.
 
2012-01-03 10:32:16 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.


Thank goodness that the middle east, and humans in general are bastions of logic and rationality. They'd never - for example - slaughter each other wholesale simply because they had different views regarding the supernatural that could never be substantiated, and thus are better classified as unfounded assumptions.

I mean, if you did that, you'd end up having countries going to war just, well, for existing.

That'd never happen.
 
2012-01-03 10:32:17 AM
Type in "Muslim Brotherhood says it won't recognize Israel" into Google, get results from neocon "news" websites and blogs. Can't explain that.
 
2012-01-03 10:32:19 AM
Is the JTA the Jewish equivalent of the Daily Mail?
 
2012-01-03 10:32:20 AM
Go Go Google!
 
2012-01-03 10:32:39 AM
Social conservatives all hate each other so much. I guess that keeps the focus off us...
 
2012-01-03 10:33:59 AM
They only said that they won't RECOGNIZE Egypt. Maybe they're wearing their hair differently or something...
 
2012-01-03 10:34:16 AM
I'm sure Egypt will give the Sinai/Suez canal back to the Israelis then, since that was what Egypt got out of the peace treaty in exchange for recognizing Israel.
 
2012-01-03 10:34:52 AM
Where Mubarak "Miss Me Yet" graphic? whar?!!??!

As evil as it may seem there may have been a method to the US madness of supporting that bastard.
 
2012-01-03 10:35:19 AM
It's so much what Egypt will do to Israel. It's what kinds and amount of weapons Egypt will let pass through its borders and into Gaza.

Israel should have kept trading land for peace. Her own citizens killed the last Prime Minister who sought to trade land for peace. I hope she enjoys trying to prove how tough she is without our help. I don't want a single Reagan-era American peacekeeper in Israel, Gaza or anywhere near there.

What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights. Annexed East Jerusalem. Invaded Lebanon and helped slaughter thousands of innocents in Sabra and Shatila.

Let's not talk about the US servicemen who were blown up trying to protect Israel while she behaved like this.
 
2012-01-03 10:36:01 AM
You know who ELSE likes to start stupid, unwinnable wars in the Middle East?
 
2012-01-03 10:36:27 AM
It's NOT so much...sorry.
 
2012-01-03 10:37:16 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: It's so much what Egypt will do to Israel. It's what kinds and amount of weapons Egypt will let pass through its borders and into Gaza.

Israel should have kept trading land for peace. Her own citizens killed the last Prime Minister who sought to trade land for peace. I hope she enjoys trying to prove how tough she is without our help. I don't want a single Reagan-era American peacekeeper in Israel, Gaza or anywhere near there.

What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights. Annexed East Jerusalem. Invaded Lebanon and helped slaughter thousands of innocents in Sabra and Shatila.

Let's not talk about the US servicemen who were blown up trying to protect Israel while she behaved like this.


Is Israel a ship?
 
2012-01-03 10:37:30 AM
ThatGuyFromTheInternet

You know who ELSE likes to start stupid, unwinnable wars in the Middle East?


Your mom?
 
2012-01-03 10:38:10 AM

quietwalker: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

Thank goodness that the middle east, and humans in general are bastions of logic and rationality. They'd never - for example - slaughter each other wholesale simply because they had different views regarding the supernatural that could never be substantiated, and thus are better classified as unfounded assumptions.

I mean, if you did that, you'd end up having countries going to war just, well, for existing.

That'd never happen.


Wars have happened, so this one is inevitable, AMIRITE?
 
2012-01-03 10:39:04 AM

greenbowlpacker: [i.cdn.turner.com image 400x600]


I'd smurf it
 
2012-01-03 10:39:12 AM

HotWingConspiracy: quietwalker: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

Thank goodness that the middle east, and humans in general are bastions of logic and rationality. They'd never - for example - slaughter each other wholesale simply because they had different views regarding the supernatural that could never be substantiated, and thus are better classified as unfounded assumptions.

I mean, if you did that, you'd end up having countries going to war just, well, for existing.

That'd never happen.

Wars have happened, so this one is inevitable, AMIRITE?


Just likely, nothing is inevitable.
 
2012-01-03 10:39:16 AM
Dear Egypt,
Do NOT taunt the dynamite monkey.
There are still foxholes, tank revetments, and other debris of war from your last folly visible in the desert today.
This is near Ismailia, the desert never rains so all this stuff is still quite visible on Google Earth.

i865.photobucket.com


\goddamn cursor.
 
2012-01-03 10:39:18 AM

karnal: ThatGuyFromTheInternet

You know who ELSE likes to start stupid, unwinnable wars in the Middle East?

Your mom?


I was thinking Napoleon.
 
2012-01-03 10:39:25 AM
King Tut (King Tut)
Now when he was a young man,
He never thought he'd see
People stand in line to see the boy king.

(King Tut) How'd you get so funky?
(funky Tut) Did you do the monkey?
Born in Arizona,
Moved to Babylonia (king Tut).
 
2012-01-03 10:40:47 AM
I, for one, am looking forward to WWIII - especially ringside from my nice, cozy couch.
 
2012-01-03 10:41:27 AM

Happy Hours: Where Mubarak "Miss Me Yet" graphic? whar?!!??!

As evil as it may seem there may have been a method to the US madness of supporting that bastard.


Yeah, no, we definitely don't miss Mubarak. At all. Good try, though.
 
2012-01-03 10:41:38 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.


It did last time too.

Pretty sure the thinking is something like this.
Step 1 - elect Muslim extremists
Step 2 - Muslim extremists have to deliver on their promises or face being unelected (see also Palestinian Authoriyt)
Step 3 - The other countries in the region will join in. They hate Israel too. And they love us.
Step 4 - Someone does something stupid...like burrowing a tunnel into Israel to deliver arms to the Palestinians, or does a fly over of Israel, or blockades them...and then...being totally civilized and not prone to Ender Wiggins style finality, the Israelis don't react?
 
2012-01-03 10:42:50 AM
TheShavingofOccam123


karnal: ThatGuyFromTheInternet

You know who ELSE likes to start stupid, unwinnable wars in the Middle East?

Your mom?

I was thinking Napoleon.


Napoleon's Mother?
 
2012-01-03 10:43:27 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Happy Hours: Where Mubarak "Miss Me Yet" graphic? whar?!!??!

As evil as it may seem there may have been a method to the US madness of supporting that bastard.

Yeah, no, we definitely don't miss Mubarak. At all. Good try, though.


The devil you know. Think Musharaff in Pakistan too. Sometimes, its better, from a geopolitical position to support a kinda on the surface decent guy, instead of letting the next whacko take over. Egypt isn't there yet, but Pakistan is. And who knows what will happen in Iraq.
 
2012-01-03 10:43:31 AM
I see Israel finally pushing all the Gazans into the sea. Why let Egypt rearm them with better weapons. Just push them out and annex everything now. It makes no sense based on past behavior by Israel. Just do it and get it over with.
 
2012-01-03 10:44:12 AM

Jake Havechek: King Tut (King Tut)
Now when he was a young man,
He never thought he'd see
People stand in line to see the boy king.

(King Tut) How'd you get so funky?
(funky Tut) Did you do the monkey?
Born in Arizona,
Moved to Babylonia (king Tut).


gamecola.net
 
2012-01-03 10:46:49 AM
If we have to go back to the middle east for another war because of f**king Israel, I'm going to be so pissed.

Take your sky fairy back to imagination land and suck my balls. I know it's more about land than religion but Christ, just give the Jewish people some land in the western sahara, same climate, no people.
 
2012-01-03 10:47:25 AM
This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.
 
2012-01-03 10:48:27 AM
Here's the plan, we're going to through you under the bus and fark the whole region for a generation or more.

www.neontommy.com
 
2012-01-03 10:48:52 AM
It's a little known fact, but a certain special lady is now a geography teacher in Cairo. Some of her students can't even recognize their own butts in a mirror.
 
2012-01-03 10:49:16 AM
cdn.lightgalleries.net

The crazy Egyptians celebrate their victory of the last war. The are about to get asses kicked again.
 
2012-01-03 10:50:21 AM
Someone remind me why I'm supposed to give two shiats about Israel again, please. They seem to mostly be a huge pain in the ass.
 
2012-01-03 10:51:04 AM
This is a good thing.

The people of Egypt have spoken. This is what they want. They have no one to blame for the course of action their elected officials take except themselves. Kind of like it is here. They elect assholes, we elect assholes and we reap what we sow.

So when the Israeli airforce is raining death from above all over their country they can all feel good about the choices they made.

Sucks but thats the way to cookie crumbles. Just because your military is good at killing protestors doesn't mean they will do any good against the Israeli military. And before that happens all the aid to Egypt we give will dry up and there will be no $$ for the Egyptian military
 
2012-01-03 10:51:07 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: It's so much what Egypt will do to Israel. It's what kinds and amount of weapons Egypt will let pass through its borders and into Gaza.

Israel should have kept trading land for peace. Her own citizens killed the last Prime Minister who sought to trade land for peace. I hope she enjoys trying to prove how tough she is without our help. I don't want a single Reagan-era American peacekeeper in Israel, Gaza or anywhere near there.

What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights. Annexed East Jerusalem. Invaded Lebanon and helped slaughter thousands of innocents in Sabra and Shatila.

Let's not talk about the US servicemen who were blown up trying to protect Israel while she behaved like this.


If Israel kept trading land for peace they would run out of land,they only have a tiny amount to begin with, it's like saying you should give up your backyard because your neighbor is pissed with you.
 
2012-01-03 10:51:26 AM
Fissile


This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.



Someone sounds a little bitter....
 
2012-01-03 10:51:42 AM

I_C_Weener: The devil you know. Think Musharaff in Pakistan too. Sometimes, its better, from a geopolitical position to support a kinda on the surface decent guy, instead of letting the next whacko take over. Egypt isn't there yet, but Pakistan is. And who knows what will happen in Iraq.


It's never better to support dictatorships over democracy. If you were a true American you'd understand that. Self-rule. We were founded on that, remember?
 
2012-01-03 10:51:43 AM
is this the thread where we blame Israel for this?

/farking muslims.
 
2012-01-03 10:51:50 AM

I_C_Weener: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

It did last time too.

Pretty sure the thinking is something like this.
Step 1 - elect Muslim extremists
Step 2 - Muslim extremists have to deliver on their promises or face being unelected (see also Palestinian Authoriyt)
Step 3 - The other countries in the region will join in. They hate Israel too. And they love us.
Step 4 - Someone does something stupid...like burrowing a tunnel into Israel to deliver arms to the Palestinians, or does a fly over of Israel, or blockades them...and then...being totally civilized and not prone to Ender Wiggins style finality, the Israelis don't react?


Did they promise to attack Israel? There is literally nothing to win for them, as they know they'll lose a shooting war. They were pretty confident last time around. Now they have much more to gain through paperwork and posturing.
 
2012-01-03 10:52:07 AM

BitwiseShift: It's a little known fact, but a certain special lady is now a geography teacher in Cairo. Some of her students can't even recognize their own butts in a mirror.


I've seen that before and it's too farking excruciating to listen to the whole thing again.
 
2012-01-03 10:53:32 AM
War in an open desert belongs to the best pilots. Arabs make lousy pilots. War in a city belongs to the most ruthless, Arabs are ruthless but they must cross a desert to get to Israel.
 
2012-01-03 10:53:34 AM

kindms: The people of Egypt have spoken. This is what they want. They have no one to blame for the course of action their elected officials take except themselves. Kind of like it is here. They elect assholes, we elect assholes and we reap what we sow.


Well, no, this is what the conservative media in other countries say that they want. They haven't elected anyone yet.
 
2012-01-03 10:53:36 AM

Fissile: What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.


I always knew Watergate was THE JEWS.
 
2012-01-03 10:54:38 AM

illegal.tender: Someone remind me why I'm supposed to give two shiats about Israel again, please. They seem to mostly be a huge pain in the ass.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-01-03 10:55:05 AM

karnal: Fissile


This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.


Someone sounds a little bitter....


===========

Someones sounds like they can't handle the truth.
 
2012-01-03 10:55:17 AM

smitty04: Arabs make lousy pilots.


o_O

Show me the science.
 
2012-01-03 10:55:56 AM

swahnhennessy: Fissile: What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.

I always knew Watergate was THE JEWS.


=========

You can hear Nixon saying so on the tapes.
 
2012-01-03 10:56:24 AM

dandude23: TheShavingofOccam123: It's so much what Egypt will do to Israel. It's what kinds and amount of weapons Egypt will let pass through its borders and into Gaza.

Israel should have kept trading land for peace. Her own citizens killed the last Prime Minister who sought to trade land for peace. I hope she enjoys trying to prove how tough she is without our help. I don't want a single Reagan-era American peacekeeper in Israel, Gaza or anywhere near there.

What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights. Annexed East Jerusalem. Invaded Lebanon and helped slaughter thousands of innocents in Sabra and Shatila.

Let's not talk about the US servicemen who were blown up trying to protect Israel while she behaved like this.

If Israel kept trading land for peace they would run out of land,they only have a tiny amount to begin with, it's like saying you should give up your backyard because your neighbor is pissed with you.


According to the map, Israel (in white) has a lot more land than it used to. Most of it seized from the Palestinians.
 
2012-01-03 10:56:57 AM

illegal.tender: Someone remind me why I'm supposed to give two shiats about Israel again, please. They seem to mostly be a huge pain in the ass.


If you don't support Israel, you support Hitler.

/or something.
 
2012-01-03 10:57:01 AM
fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com

see post above.
 
2012-01-03 10:57:41 AM

Mildot: illegal.tender: Someone remind me why I'm supposed to give two shiats about Israel again, please. They seem to mostly be a huge pain in the ass.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 340x425]


totally rad photoshop work dude!
 
2012-01-03 10:59:03 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I_C_Weener: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

It did last time too.

Pretty sure the thinking is something like this.
Step 1 - elect Muslim extremists
Step 2 - Muslim extremists have to deliver on their promises or face being unelected (see also Palestinian Authoriyt)
Step 3 - The other countries in the region will join in. They hate Israel too. And they love us.
Step 4 - Someone does something stupid...like burrowing a tunnel into Israel to deliver arms to the Palestinians, or does a fly over of Israel, or blockades them...and then...being totally civilized and not prone to Ender Wiggins style finality, the Israelis don't react?

Did they promise to attack Israel? There is literally nothing to win for them, as they know they'll lose a shooting war. They were pretty confident last time around. Now they have much more to gain through paperwork and posturing.


i doubt they know this. you see, they think they have allah on their side. they think allah wants Israel "swept into the sea". much like Nazi Germany, they want all the Jews DEAD.

yep, i bet a war is coming.

/farking muslims.
 
2012-01-03 10:59:14 AM
 
2012-01-03 11:00:21 AM

kindms: Just because your military is good at killing protestors doesn't mean they will do any good against the Israeli military


There was an essay I read around the time we were invading Iraq again. It basically was themed, "Why do all Arabic militaries since the Crusades, suck?" Can't remember the answers, but the conclusions were clear. All Arabic militaries suck as modern fighting forces for conventional warfare.
 
2012-01-03 11:01:50 AM
I for one couldn't give two shiats if Israel got wiped into the sea, same goes for any Muslim nation.

Can we go electric yet?
 
2012-01-03 11:01:56 AM
I got back from Egypt just shy of a month ago, they have a bridge that is named after the first day of the war against Israel, it marks their great victory against Israel. They also have a museum where a wing of it is dedicated to their great victories against Israel in the same war, there are lots of paintings showing the Israelis fleeing a great Egyptian onslaught and lots of quotations from Israelis speaking of the unstoppable tide that is Egypt. It was very hard to trust anything anyone claimed about any history in that country.
 
2012-01-03 11:02:10 AM

frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: I_C_Weener: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

It did last time too.

Pretty sure the thinking is something like this.
Step 1 - elect Muslim extremists
Step 2 - Muslim extremists have to deliver on their promises or face being unelected (see also Palestinian Authoriyt)
Step 3 - The other countries in the region will join in. They hate Israel too. And they love us.
Step 4 - Someone does something stupid...like burrowing a tunnel into Israel to deliver arms to the Palestinians, or does a fly over of Israel, or blockades them...and then...being totally civilized and not prone to Ender Wiggins style finality, the Israelis don't react?

Did they promise to attack Israel? There is literally nothing to win for them, as they know they'll lose a shooting war. They were pretty confident last time around. Now they have much more to gain through paperwork and posturing.

i doubt they know this. you see, they think they have allah on their side. they think allah wants Israel "swept into the sea". much like Nazi Germany, they want all the Jews DEAD.

yep, i bet a war is coming.

/farking muslims.


No, morons believe that. These people rather enjoy earthly power and aren't going to gamble it on something as fickle as a god.

In any case, there hasn't even been an election yet.
 
2012-01-03 11:02:34 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.




I see your Loss of Palestinean Loss of Land and raise you American Indian loss of land. (new window)
 
2012-01-03 11:02:40 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.


One of the myths of our time is that Israel, before it was settled by the "alien" Jews and "stolen" from the Arabs as a result of "imperialist machinations," was an independent state called "Palestine" whose majority residents were Moslem "Palestinians". Unfortunately for those who would propagate such misinformation, the truth can be easily and historically seen.

The historical fact is that until the defeat of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in World War I, there was no geopolitical entity called "Palestine," no Arab nation ever set historical roots on this soil and no national claim was ever made to the territory by any national group other than the Jews.

your map is pretty much, as the Arabs well know, complete and utter bullshiat.
 
2012-01-03 11:02:58 AM

IXI Jim IXI: They only said that they won't RECOGNIZE Egypt. Maybe they're wearing their hair differently or something...


It's the yarmulke.
 
2012-01-03 11:03:45 AM
Fissile


karnal: Fissile


This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.


Someone sounds a little bitter....

===========

Someones sounds like they can't handle the truth.


The Truth or Your Truth? Doubt if they are the same thing.
 
2012-01-03 11:03:49 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.


The middle east has a long history of being ruled by reason and forethought rather than ancient prejudices.

So no worries.
 
2012-01-03 11:03:51 AM

Fissile: One of the top US commanders in GW I called the IDF "a bunch of arrogant pricks who wouldn't last ten minutes on a European battlefield."


I tried Googling this, and couldn't find out who 'one of the top commanders in GW I' was who supposedly said this. All of the references to the quote say 'one of the top commanders in GW I,' exactly. Your source doesn't identify him, nor does anything else I can find.
 
2012-01-03 11:04:12 AM

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: I_C_Weener: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

It did last time too.

Pretty sure the thinking is something like this.
Step 1 - elect Muslim extremists
Step 2 - Muslim extremists have to deliver on their promises or face being unelected (see also Palestinian Authoriyt)
Step 3 - The other countries in the region will join in. They hate Israel too. And they love us.
Step 4 - Someone does something stupid...like burrowing a tunnel into Israel to deliver arms to the Palestinians, or does a fly over of Israel, or blockades them...and then...being totally civilized and not prone to Ender Wiggins style finality, the Israelis don't react?

Did they promise to attack Israel? There is literally nothing to win for them, as they know they'll lose a shooting war. They were pretty confident last time around. Now they have much more to gain through paperwork and posturing.

i doubt they know this. you see, they think they have allah on their side. they think allah wants Israel "swept into the sea". much like Nazi Germany, they want all the Jews DEAD.

yep, i bet a war is coming.

/farking muslims.

No, morons believe that. These people rather enjoy earthly power and aren't going to gamble it on something as fickle as a god.

In any case, there hasn't even been an election yet.


you don't REALLY believe that, do you? i hope not.
 
2012-01-03 11:04:36 AM

SuperChuck: greenbowlpacker: [i.cdn.turner.com image 400x600]

I'd smurf it


I'll smurfing smurf you the smurf up if you smurf my smurf ya smurfing smurfhead
 
2012-01-03 11:04:38 AM

smitty04: War in an open desert belongs to the best pilots. Arabs make lousy pilots. War in a city belongs to the most ruthless, Arabs are ruthless but they must cross a desert to get to Israel.


I don't know about Israeli pilots being good pilots. If they can mistake an American Navy ship flying an enormous US flag, bombing and strafing it numerous times, I don't think they can be called good pilots. Unless...

www.history.navy.mil
 
2012-01-03 11:04:42 AM

houginator: I'm sure Egypt will give the Sinai/Suez canal back to the Israelis then, since that was what Egypt got out of the peace treaty in exchange for recognizing Israel.


That and their trapped army in the peninsula. What is Russia's thoughts on Egypt these days? Russia then the Soviet Union was pretty much the only reason the western nations didn't get involved outside of diplomacy and supply in the two wars between Egypt and Israel.

Egypt alone doesn't stand a chance against Israel and Syria and Jordan won't join them in an effort against Israel. Egypt would do well to honor the peace and continue to enjoy the good diplomatic relations it has with Israel and the other nations of the world. The USA has and continues to send a lot of aid to Egypt which we should cut off if the treaty with Israel is abandon by Egypt.
 
2012-01-03 11:05:08 AM

Fissile: One of the top US commanders in GW I called the IDF "a bunch of arrogant pricks who wouldn't last ten minutes on a European battlefield."


That may be. They are a National Guard sort of... But, much like all of the NATO countries, they don't have to fight on a European Battlefield. We do.
 
2012-01-03 11:06:25 AM

frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: I_C_Weener: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

It did last time too.

Pretty sure the thinking is something like this.
Step 1 - elect Muslim extremists
Step 2 - Muslim extremists have to deliver on their promises or face being unelected (see also Palestinian Authoriyt)
Step 3 - The other countries in the region will join in. They hate Israel too. And they love us.
Step 4 - Someone does something stupid...like burrowing a tunnel into Israel to deliver arms to the Palestinians, or does a fly over of Israel, or blockades them...and then...being totally civilized and not prone to Ender Wiggins style finality, the Israelis don't react?

Did they promise to attack Israel? There is literally nothing to win for them, as they know they'll lose a shooting war. They were pretty confident last time around. Now they have much more to gain through paperwork and posturing.

i doubt they know this. you see, they think they have allah on their side. they think allah wants Israel "swept into the sea". much like Nazi Germany, they want all the Jews DEAD.

yep, i bet a war is coming.

/farking muslims.

No, morons believe that. These people rather enjoy earthly power and aren't going to gamble it on something as fickle as a god.

In any case, there hasn't even been an election yet.

you don't REALLY believe that, do you? i hope not.


There will be no war.
 
2012-01-03 11:08:27 AM

frepnog: TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.

One of the myths of our time is that Israel, before it was settled by the "alien" Jews and "stolen" from the Arabs as a result of "imperialist machinations," was an independent state called "Palestine" whose majority residents were Moslem "Palestinians". Unfortunately for those who would propagate such misinformation, the truth can be easily and historically seen.

The historical fact is that until the defeat of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in World War I, there was no geopolitical entity called "Palestine," no Arab nation ever set historical roots on this soil and no national claim was ever made to the territory by any national group other than the Jews.

your map is pretty much, as the Arabs well know, complete and utter bullshiat.


Ah, yes, the "they're only Arabs" argument combined with the "let's ignore the UN map" argument.

The UN map is the important one. Compare it to the present day map, please. Yes, those Arabs are running rough shod over plucky little Israel. I'm sure the US is going to have to send in some more Marines to be blown up in their sleep.

Keep dehumanizing those filthy Arabs. I hear you can't drown them,either.
 
2012-01-03 11:11:30 AM
I remember when the 'Arab Spring' started and people were fairly optimistic. Democracy in Egypt, hurray!
Anyone who lived more than a couple of decades in the middle east saw this coming. It wasn't a choice between Democracy and Dictatorship, it was a choice between dictatorship (in this case a military rule) or islamic fundamentalism.

And no i don't believe Egypt, even under the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafi rule, will attack Israel anytime soon. They are still traumatized by their last defeat which by the way they celebrate as a glorious arab victory. I'm not kidding, they lie to themselves on a national scale. The psychology behind this is fascinating but that's irrelevant.
 
2012-01-03 11:12:05 AM

Mildot: TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.



I see your Loss of Palestinean Loss of Land and raise you American Indian loss of land. (new window)


You know who else rounded up millions of people, took their lands and killed them? I'm sure Israel has no problem emulating that culture. It's the righteous thing to do. After all, the ends justify the means, don't they?
 
2012-01-03 11:12:34 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights.


I enjoy this twisting of history.

If Syria wanted the Golan Heights maybe they shouldn't have lost battles for them. Twice. In engagements they started.

If, as in 1973, you attack an area with overwhelming superiority in tanks and air defense over your enemy that is trying to fight a two front war and you lose anyway because your people are just that badly trained and utterly lack initiative, then you really didn't want that territory that badly in the first place.

And saying they annexed the territory in '81 is a little misleading. It's been under Israeli control since '67. They just removed military control in '81.

All the whole "wahhhhh, the bad man took my strategic high ground make him stop!" is just Syria trying to use the UN to cover for their utter military incompetence. They could've destroyed Israel in '73 and they failed. Because they suck.
 
2012-01-03 11:12:52 AM

illegal.tender: Someone remind me why I'm supposed to give two shiats about Israel again, please. They seem to mostly be a huge pain in the ass.


OMG! Antisemitism!!!
 
2012-01-03 11:13:35 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.


how many people lived in the Negav in 1850? or had land deeds there? how many deed holders lived outside of that area?
 
2012-01-03 11:15:27 AM

TheShavingofOccam123:

According to the map, Israel (in white) has a lot more land than it used to. Most of it seized from the Palestinians. Jordan


Let's stick to the historical record, shall we?
 
2012-01-03 11:16:17 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: he UN map is the important one. Compare it to the present day map, please.


The UN map is the Partition Plan map of a planned suggestion of dividing the land which the arabs rejected leading to their attack on Israel. They tend to make such mistakes like your next map which is the direct result of another arab attempt to eradicate Israel. I won't bother commenting about the first map which is a joke.
 
2012-01-03 11:16:54 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: frepnog: TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.

One of the myths of our time is that Israel, before it was settled by the "alien" Jews and "stolen" from the Arabs as a result of "imperialist machinations," was an independent state called "Palestine" whose majority residents were Moslem "Palestinians". Unfortunately for those who would propagate such misinformation, the truth can be easily and historically seen.

The historical fact is that until the defeat of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in World War I, there was no geopolitical entity called "Palestine," no Arab nation ever set historical roots on this soil and no national claim was ever made to the territory by any national group other than the Jews.

your map is pretty much, as the Arabs well know, complete and utter bullshiat.

Ah, yes, the "they're only Arabs" argument combined with the "let's ignore the UN map" argument.

The UN map is the important one. Compare it to the present day map, please. Yes, those Arabs are running rough shod over plucky little Israel. I'm sure the US is going to have to send in some more Marines to be blown up in their sleep.

Keep dehumanizing those filthy Arabs. I hear you can't drown them,either.


let's keep pretending that the Arab world wants anything less than the extermination of Israel. I am not dehumanizing anyone, they do that to each other. the fact remains that the Arabs want Israel dead. If the Arabs would leave the Jews the fark alone in their itty-bitty little shred of land, these problems would go away. The Jews have a right to their homeland. They just want to exist.

/farking muslims.

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: I_C_Weener: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

It did last time too.

Pretty sure the thinking is something like this.
Step 1 - elect Muslim extremists
Step 2 - Muslim extremists have to deliver on their promises or face being unelected (see also Palestinian Authoriyt)
Step 3 - The other countries in the region will join in. They hate Israel too. And they love us.
Step 4 - Someone does something stupid...like burrowing a tunnel into Israel to deliver arms to the Palestinians, or does a fly over of Israel, or blockades them...and then...being totally civilized and not prone to Ender Wiggins style finality, the Israelis don't react?

Did they promise to attack Israel? There is literally nothing to win for them, as they know they'll lose a shooting war. They were pretty confident last time around. Now they have much more to gain through paperwork and posturing.

i doubt they know this. you see, they think they have allah on their side. they think allah wants Israel "swept into the sea". much like Nazi Germany, they want all the Jews DEAD.

yep, i bet a war is coming.

/farking muslims.

No, morons believe that. These people rather enjoy earthly power and aren't going to gamble it on something as fickle as a god.

In any case, there hasn't even been an election yet.

you don't REALLY believe that, do you? i hope not.

There will be no war.


let's hope not. war sucks. but i doubt you are privy to whatever the hell is going on with Egypt right now.
 
2012-01-03 11:17:20 AM
I'm sure this is exactly what all those kids in Tahir square wanted when they were protesting for Mubarak's removal.

Oh, right. They didn't. But they were also a disorganized mess with no coherent platform other than "no Mubarak". When it comes to elections, organization is pretty important and the Muslim Brotherhood actually had that. So they win, and now Egyptians will rewind the clock 200+ years and go the way of Iran. Ain't free elections grand?
 
2012-01-03 11:18:34 AM

illegal.tender: Someone remind me why I'm supposed to give two shiats about Israel again, please. They seem to mostly be a huge pain in the ass.

replace Israel with Egypt at this point, actually.

They started a great revolution, and are basically heading back to right where they were before it.
 
2012-01-03 11:18:49 AM

Fissile: The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".


Israel was attacked on two sides by forces many times the size of their own. In a surprise attack on a religous holiday.

Egypt and Syria were armed and rearmed by other Arab states and the Soviet Union (our enemy at the time). Lybia alone sent Egypt over $1BN and Mirage fighters. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait "bankrolled" the war. Iraq sent 20,000 soldiers, hundreds of tanks and MiG aircraft. Algeria sent 150 tanks. In total, other Arab states sent over 100,000 troops to the war.

The Soviet Union was resupplying the Arabs, sending 75,000 tons of supplies. The Soviets weren't our friend in 1973.

In what is considered the worst performance in Israeli military history, they killed approximately 7 enemy soldiers for every Israeli soldier killed. Israel destroyed 5 tanks for every Israeli tank destroyed, and 4 planes for every Israeli plane.

Link (new window)

The Israelis had help from us, Egypt and Syria had more help from the Soviet Union and the rest of the Arab world. The Israelis won anyway.
 
2012-01-03 11:19:37 AM

Spade: TheShavingofOccam123: What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights.

I enjoy this twisting of history.

If Syria wanted the Golan Heights maybe they shouldn't have lost battles for them. Twice. In engagements they started.

If, as in 1973, you attack an area with overwhelming superiority in tanks and air defense over your enemy that is trying to fight a two front war and you lose anyway because your people are just that badly trained and utterly lack initiative, then you really didn't want that territory that badly in the first place.

And saying they annexed the territory in '81 is a little misleading. It's been under Israeli control since '67. They just removed military control in '81.

All the whole "wahhhhh, the bad man took my strategic high ground make him stop!" is just Syria trying to use the UN to cover for their utter military incompetence. They could've destroyed Israel in '73 and they failed. Because they suck.


United Nations Security Council Resolution 497, adopted unanimously on December 17, 1981, calls on the State of Israel to rescind its de facto annexation of the Golan Heights. The most important provision is "the Israeli decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights is null and void and without international legal effect".

De facto it might be, but it was bad enough to force a unanimous UNSC resolution condemning it.

Plus, you know who said it wasn't annexation? Begin. The guy who blew up the King David Hotel. The terrorist made PM.
 
2012-01-03 11:19:55 AM
Islam is awsome!!!
 
2012-01-03 11:21:27 AM

TappingTheVein: They are still traumatized by their last defeat which by the way they celebrate as a glorious arab victory. I'm not kidding, they lie to themselves on a national scale. The psychology behind this is fascinating but that's irrelevant.


See also: The Southern United States.
 
2012-01-03 11:21:43 AM

Fissile: This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.


All of the quoted above is crap.

First of all, the Soviets didn't even want Egypt and Syria to start the war and were pretty pissed off about it. They only kept supplying those guys because that's what they do. I note with interest that you don't mention the brand new shiny T-62s the Syrians suddenly got during the war shipped directly from Russian units in East Germany with only a few miles on the clock.

The Israeli nukes never even got loaded.

Egypt and Syria were crap armies that were only good at set piece battles and couldn't operate once plans changed. Hell, the Syrians had an open road right across the Jordan river down into Israel and failed to exploit it because the ground commander had gotten his units as far as the were supposed to go.

Jesus, have you ever actually read a good properly sourced book on '73 as opposed to conspiracy crap?
 
2012-01-03 11:22:28 AM

zedster: TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.

how many people lived in the Negav in 1850? or had land deeds there? how many deed holders lived outside of that area?


As I pointed out above, the UN mandated map and the present map are the important ones.
 
2012-01-03 11:23:34 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: I see Israel finally pushing all the Gazans into the sea. Why let Egypt rearm them with better weapons. Just push them out and annex everything now. It makes no sense based on past behavior by Israel. Just do it and get it over with.



I love when people quote the description I've Fav'd them with. Makes me feel like I'm paying attention after all.
 
2012-01-03 11:24:42 AM

FarkedUBAR: Israel was attacked


no.
 
2012-01-03 11:25:09 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Spade: TheShavingofOccam123: What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights.

I enjoy this twisting of history.

If Syria wanted the Golan Heights maybe they shouldn't have lost battles for them. Twice. In engagements they started.

If, as in 1973, you attack an area with overwhelming superiority in tanks and air defense over your enemy that is trying to fight a two front war and you lose anyway because your people are just that badly trained and utterly lack initiative, then you really didn't want that territory that badly in the first place.

And saying they annexed the territory in '81 is a little misleading. It's been under Israeli control since '67. They just removed military control in '81.

All the whole "wahhhhh, the bad man took my strategic high ground make him stop!" is just Syria trying to use the UN to cover for their utter military incompetence. They could've destroyed Israel in '73 and they failed. Because they suck.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 497, adopted unanimously on December 17, 1981, calls on the State of Israel to rescind its de facto annexation of the Golan Heights. The most important provision is "the Israeli decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights is null and void and without international legal effect".

De facto it might be, but it was bad enough to force a unanimous UNSC resolution condemning it.

Plus, you know who said it wasn't annexation? Begin. The guy who blew up the King David Hotel. The terrorist made PM.


Aw, the UN condemned it. The same UN that had pickets on the Purple Line and watched helplessly as Syrian tanks flowed around them. Whatever, nobody cares and nobody has cared since the Congo.

Aw, he was a terrorist. One man's...is another mans'...etc. I could pick every leader in the ME and say pretty much the same thing somehow. Whatever. Morality is what you make of it.
 
2012-01-03 11:25:13 AM

TappingTheVein: TheShavingofOccam123: he UN map is the important one. Compare it to the present day map, please.

The UN map is the Partition Plan map of a planned suggestion of dividing the land which the arabs rejected leading to their attack on Israel. They tend to make such mistakes like your next map which is the direct result of another arab attempt to eradicate Israel. I won't bother commenting about the first map which is a joke.


i like you.

/seriously. that palestine crap is bullshiat and they farking know it.

//farking muslims.
 
2012-01-03 11:25:35 AM

frepnog: let's hope not. war sucks. but i doubt you are privy to whatever the hell is going on with Egypt right now.


I'm privy to the ridiculous fear mongering we're endlessly bombarded with regarding Israel and its security. This, like most of what the press labels as threats to Israel is nothing but pap.
 
2012-01-03 11:27:59 AM

FarkedUBAR: Fissile: The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

Israel was attacked on two sides by forces many times the size of their own. In a surprise attack on a religous holiday.

Egypt and Syria were armed and rearmed by other Arab states and the Soviet Union (our enemy at the time). Lybia alone sent Egypt over $1BN and Mirage fighters. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait "bankrolled" the war. Iraq sent 20,000 soldiers, hundreds of tanks and MiG aircraft. Algeria sent 150 tanks. In total, other Arab states sent over 100,000 troops to the war.

The Soviet Union was resupplying the Arabs, sending 75,000 tons of supplies. The Soviets weren't our friend in 1973.

In what is considered the worst performance in Israeli military history, they killed approximately 7 enemy soldiers for every Israeli soldier killed. Israel destroyed 5 tanks for every Israeli tank destroyed, and 4 planes for every Israeli plane.

Link (new window)

The Israelis had help from us, Egypt and Syria had more help from the Soviet Union and the rest of the Arab world. The Israelis won anyway.


you know, it is shiat like that that really makes the atheist in me say "maybe they ARE god's chosen people".
 
2012-01-03 11:28:19 AM

I_C_Weener: kindms: Just because your military is good at killing protestors doesn't mean they will do any good against the Israeli military

There was an essay I read around the time we were invading Iraq again. It basically was themed, "Why do all Arabic militaries since the Crusades, suck?" Can't remember the answers, but the conclusions were clear. All Arabic militaries suck as modern fighting forces for conventional warfare.


I'd actually like to read that. I'm sure there's plenty of contributing factors - some cultural, some economic.

Take the idea of "arab pilots suck" mentioned upthread. A huge reason why our pilots are considered "good" is that they're willing to follow doctrine when necessary, and are also encouraged to break doctrine when necessary, and are specifically trained to know the difference. That's largely a cultural thing. Arab pilots tend (*tend*, dammit!) toward a lack of initiative as a natural result of a top-heavy command structure. That's also a cultural thing.

But...

We spend a LOT on pilots. I mean, staggeringly HUGE amounts of money to train our flyers. Extra aircraft in which to train, fuel costs, top-of-the-line simulators, Top Gun-style programs...our pilot training budget is incredibly large. The Arab nations simply can't, in general, match it. And back in the early Vietnam days before we spent that huge amount of money on training, well...our pilots "sucked" in comparison to their Vietnamese counterparts. So there's certainly an economic portion to the argument that isn't indicative of any inherent cultural/racial/religious advantage. We spend more money, we get better pilots.

I wonder what the specific breakdown is?
 
2012-01-03 11:29:08 AM

BigNumber12: TheShavingofOccam123: I see Israel finally pushing all the Gazans into the sea. Why let Egypt rearm them with better weapons. Just push them out and annex everything now. It makes no sense based on past behavior by Israel. Just do it and get it over with.


I love when people quote the description I've Fav'd them with. Makes me feel like I'm paying attention after all.


Let's see. Let's look at the last three maps posted above. Let's look at the size of the Gaza Strip. Hmmmm. It shrinks.

I'm sure it is hard to pay attention to geography with those blinders you have on.
 
2012-01-03 11:31:00 AM

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: let's hope not. war sucks. but i doubt you are privy to whatever the hell is going on with Egypt right now.

I'm privy to the ridiculous fear mongering we're endlessly bombarded with regarding Israel and its security. This, like most of what the press labels as threats to Israel is nothing but pap.


so are you going to seriously say that there is NO credible threat to Israel at this time?
 
2012-01-03 11:31:28 AM

Spade: TheShavingofOccam123: Spade: TheShavingofOccam123: What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights.

I enjoy this twisting of history.

If Syria wanted the Golan Heights maybe they shouldn't have lost battles for them. Twice. In engagements they started.

If, as in 1973, you attack an area with overwhelming superiority in tanks and air defense over your enemy that is trying to fight a two front war and you lose anyway because your people are just that badly trained and utterly lack initiative, then you really didn't want that territory that badly in the first place.

And saying they annexed the territory in '81 is a little misleading. It's been under Israeli control since '67. They just removed military control in '81.

All the whole "wahhhhh, the bad man took my strategic high ground make him stop!" is just Syria trying to use the UN to cover for their utter military incompetence. They could've destroyed Israel in '73 and they failed. Because they suck.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 497, adopted unanimously on December 17, 1981, calls on the State of Israel to rescind its de facto annexation of the Golan Heights. The most important provision is "the Israeli decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights is null and void and without international legal effect".

De facto it might be, but it was bad enough to force a unanimous UNSC resolution condemning it.

Plus, you know who said it wasn't annexation? Begin. The guy who blew up the King David Hotel. The terrorist made PM.

Aw, the UN condemned it. The same UN that had pickets on the Purple Line and watched helplessly as Syrian tanks flowed around them. Whatever, nobody cares and nobody has cared since the Congo.

Aw, he was a terrorist. One man's...is another mans'...etc. I could pick every leader in the ME and say pretty much the same thing somehow. Whatever. Morality is what you make of it.


Begin's terror attack was at that time the largest one ever committed. Your morality is what you make of it. Not mine. Sorry.
 
2012-01-03 11:32:12 AM

frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: let's hope not. war sucks. but i doubt you are privy to whatever the hell is going on with Egypt right now.

I'm privy to the ridiculous fear mongering we're endlessly bombarded with regarding Israel and its security. This, like most of what the press labels as threats to Israel is nothing but pap.

so are you going to seriously say that there is NO credible threat to Israel at this time?


There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time.
 
2012-01-03 11:38:28 AM

HotWingConspiracy: There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time


And you'd be absolutely right. The last attacks on Israel from Egypt were in August so at this time it's cool.
 
2012-01-03 11:38:57 AM

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: let's hope not. war sucks. but i doubt you are privy to whatever the hell is going on with Egypt right now.

I'm privy to the ridiculous fear mongering we're endlessly bombarded with regarding Israel and its security. This, like most of what the press labels as threats to Israel is nothing but pap.

so are you going to seriously say that there is NO credible threat to Israel at this time?

There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time.


well, all i will say is that i truly hope so, because war sucks.

if i may ask, why do you think so?

/seriously interested.
 
2012-01-03 11:39:13 AM

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: let's hope not. war sucks. but i doubt you are privy to whatever the hell is going on with Egypt right now.

I'm privy to the ridiculous fear mongering we're endlessly bombarded with regarding Israel and its security. This, like most of what the press labels as threats to Israel is nothing but pap.

so are you going to seriously say that there is NO credible threat to Israel at this time?

There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time.


Egypt could funnel enormous amounts of weapons and nasty people into Gaza.
 
2012-01-03 11:46:18 AM
If only there was some way to have predicted this...

cdn-www.cracked.com
 
2012-01-03 11:48:50 AM

DarnoKonrad: FarkedUBAR: Israel was attacked

no.


October, 1973, Yom Kippur War, Israel was not attacked?
 
2012-01-03 11:56:14 AM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time

And you'd be absolutely right. The last attacks on Israel from Egypt were in August so at this time it's cool.


Yeah and Israel blew up a few Egyptian cops. Would you say that Egyptian police are under threat from Israel?

There is no credible threat, there will be no war.
 
2012-01-03 11:57:20 AM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time

And you'd be absolutely right. The last attacks on Israel from Egypt were in August so at this time it's cool.


Whoah now, don't hit him with facts!
 
2012-01-03 11:58:15 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: let's hope not. war sucks. but i doubt you are privy to whatever the hell is going on with Egypt right now.

I'm privy to the ridiculous fear mongering we're endlessly bombarded with regarding Israel and its security. This, like most of what the press labels as threats to Israel is nothing but pap.

so are you going to seriously say that there is NO credible threat to Israel at this time?

There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time.

Egypt could funnel enormous amounts of weapons and nasty people into Gaza.


They could do a lot of things. I'm unsure why that's relevant.
 
2012-01-03 11:59:12 AM

DarnoKonrad: FarkedUBAR: Israel was attacked

no.


Nothing like a good intelligent argument to make your case.

I quote the Gods of Wikipedia: "The war began when the coalition launched a joint surprise attack on Israel on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism, which coincided with the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Egyptian and Syrian forces crossed ceasefire lines to enter the Israeli-held Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights respectively, which had been captured and occupied since the 1967 Six-Day War."

I'm sure I can find other sources. Do you have any?
 
2012-01-03 11:59:41 AM

Malcolm_Sex: TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time

And you'd be absolutely right. The last attacks on Israel from Egypt were in August so at this time it's cool.

Whoah now, don't hit him with facts!


Yeah man, war with the state of Egypt is right around the corner.
 
2012-01-03 11:59:43 AM

Mildot: If only there was some way to have predicted this...

[cdn-www.cracked.com image 420x417]


I can see it. In 2015, the history channel 3HD documentary about the day Isreal nuked Cairo in December 2012. The Mayans totally called that shiat.
 
2012-01-03 12:00:24 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah and Israel blew up a few Egyptian cops. Would you say that Egyptian police are under threat from Israel?


Did they blew up the cops because it was cop season or because, oh i don't know, it was in the middle of the egyptian attacks or something of this sort ? do you realize how your comparison is a joke ?

HotWingConspiracy: There is no credible threat, there will be no war.


War ? like i said, no. Threat ? absolutely. Unless you don't consider attacks from Egypt on Israel or aiding palestinian terrorists as "a threat" that is.
 
2012-01-03 12:03:21 PM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah and Israel blew up a few Egyptian cops. Would you say that Egyptian police are under threat from Israel?

Did they blew up the cops because it was cop season or because, oh i don't know, it was in the middle of the egyptian attacks or something of this sort ? do you realize how your comparison is a joke ?


Would you say that Egyptian police are under threat from Israel? They had nothing to do with the attack.

HotWingConspiracy: There is no credible threat, there will be no war.

War ? like i said, no. Threat ? absolutely. Unless you don't consider attacks from Egypt on Israel or aiding palestinian terrorists as "a threat" that is.


Egypt did this? Or was it some non-state terrorists?
 
2012-01-03 12:04:27 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Malcolm_Sex: TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time

And you'd be absolutely right. The last attacks on Israel from Egypt were in August so at this time it's cool.

Whoah now, don't hit him with facts!

Yeah man, war with the state of Egypt is right around the corner.


Oh did I say that? I didn't realize I said war was right around the corner. I find it farkin' hilarious that you're guaranteeing nothing will happen. Please Nostradamus, share your visions of the future with us!
 
2012-01-03 12:08:48 PM

Tr0mBoNe: Mildot: If only there was some way to have predicted this...

[cdn-www.cracked.com image 420x417]

I can see it. In 2015, the history channel 3HD documentary about the day Isreal nuked Cairo in December 2012. The Mayans totally called that shiat.


You shouldn't call them Mayans. There isn't any country called Maya. There never was and there never will be. Call them non-Mayan Native Americans. There are plenty of lands for non-Mayan Native Americans.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2012-01-03 12:09:37 PM
Egypt's armed with modern weapons (a lot of them American made, they have Abrams tanks for example) and has gotten a lot of training from the US Military. Such a war would not be a huge cakewalk for Israel.
 
2012-01-03 12:09:46 PM

Malcolm_Sex: HotWingConspiracy: Malcolm_Sex: TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: There is no credible threat to Israel from Egypt at this time

And you'd be absolutely right. The last attacks on Israel from Egypt were in August so at this time it's cool.

Whoah now, don't hit him with facts!

Yeah man, war with the state of Egypt is right around the corner.

Oh did I say that? I didn't realize I said war was right around the corner. I find it farkin' hilarious that you're guaranteeing nothing will happen. Please Nostradamus, share your visions of the future with us!


There will be no war, it's obvious.

But here's another "vision" for you: We'll keep hearing about tons of threats to Israel that never ever materialize and will never ever materialize.
 
2012-01-03 12:10:26 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Egypt did this? Or was it some non-state terrorists?


Sinai Egyptians aiding terrorists. The threat itself originated in Egypt. The attack itself came from the Egyptian side of the border.

Egyptians have been aiding palestinian terrorists in Sinai for years. Is this news to you ?
 
2012-01-03 12:11:51 PM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: Egypt did this? Or was it some non-state terrorists?

Sinai Egyptians aiding terrorists. The threat itself originated in Egypt. The attack itself came from the Egyptian side of the border.

Egyptians have been aiding palestinian terrorists in Sinai for years. Is this news to you ?


The state of Egypt?
 
2012-01-03 12:12:45 PM
The best way to unite rival parties is to make a common enemy.
 
2012-01-03 12:14:19 PM

SuperChuck: smurf


Like the smurf of an angry smurf. ANGRY!
 
2012-01-03 12:16:21 PM

HotWingConspiracy: The state of Egypt?


Yes, it originated in the state of Egypt. Sinai to be precise.
 
2012-01-03 12:16:26 PM
Mr. Breeze


The best way to unite rival parties is to make a common enemy.


Lady Gaga?
 
2012-01-03 12:17:53 PM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: The state of Egypt?

Yes, it originated in the state of Egypt. Sinai to be precise.


And agents of the state of Egypt contributed in some way?
 
2012-01-03 12:30:01 PM

HotWingConspiracy: And agents of the state of Egypt contributed in some way?


Egyptian police officers have been known to be on Hamas and other terrorist organizations payroll, especially while looking the other way regarding the tunnels. In this specific case ? i don't know. I also don't know how this is relevant. I'll repeat:

The threat itself originated in Egypt. The attack itself came from the Egyptian side of the border

Are you saying Egypt is not responsible for their own border ?
 
2012-01-03 12:34:37 PM

karnal: Mr. Breeze


The best way to unite rival parties is to make a common enemy.

Lady Gaga?


Precisely.
 
2012-01-03 12:35:24 PM
Would all the farkers who said there was no reason to worry about the Muslim Brotherhood starting shiat in Egypt please stand up and identify yourselves?

I honestly considered making a list when this all started, but I got distracted by a boobies thread.
 
2012-01-03 12:36:22 PM
We're this far into the thread and no mention of what a cruise missile or five against the Aswan High Dam would do?

Interesting.
 
2012-01-03 12:36:50 PM
frepnog

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: let's hope not. war sucks. but i doubt you are privy to whatever the hell is going on with Egypt right now.

I'm privy to the ridiculous fear mongering we're endlessly bombarded with regarding Israel and its security. This, like most of what the press labels as threats to Israel is nothing but pap.

so are you going to seriously say that there is NO credible threat to Israel at this time?


That's part of the left's anti-Israel animus, to pretend its all powerful and unassailable. It's a slightly rewarmed version of the old antisemitic canard that had Jews running everything despite the real world persecution, impoverishment of many Jews, etc.

Cairo alone has 4 times Israel's population, and unlike past opponents Egypt has the latest and greatest American weaponry. It's a very, very real threat - this.
 
2012-01-03 12:40:37 PM

Fissile: This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.


That sounds like a good plot for a movie. Have you any evidence
 
2012-01-03 12:40:55 PM
Summon Tatsuma:

i192.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-03 12:41:10 PM

grotto_man: Cairo alone has 4 times Israel's population, and unlike past opponents Egypt has the latest and greatest American weaponry. It's a very, very real threat - this.


So Cairo is what you might call a "target rich" environment?

Also, Saddam Hussein had the largest army in the world once.

I think Israel produces top level military technology. Egypt relies on U.S. cast-offs for its top level hardware. Also, Israel has this whole idea of "If you put out one of our eyes, we will take your whole farking head and probably that of your ten closest friends and relatives, and burn down your house".
 
2012-01-03 12:42:50 PM
Arab Spring! Arab Spring! Arab Spring! Arab Spring! ....

Another war in the Middle East in 5, 4, 3...
 
2012-01-03 12:42:51 PM

Occam's Nailfile: I honestly considered making a list when this all started, but I got distracted by a boobies thread


Take your pick. I tried explaining the obvious to about 5 people. One was actually praising the Islamic Brotherhood.
 
2012-01-03 12:43:04 PM

Happy Hours: Fissile: This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.

That sounds like a good plot for a movie. Have you any evidence


The Nuke part came from a Clancy book.
 
2012-01-03 12:44:18 PM
 
2012-01-03 12:47:59 PM

frepnog: TheShavingofOccam123: frepnog: TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.

One of the myths of our time is that Israel, before it was settled by the "alien" Jews and "stolen" from the Arabs as a result of "imperialist machinations," was an independent state called "Palestine" whose majority residents were Moslem "Palestinians". Unfortunately for those who would propagate such misinformation, the truth can be easily and historically seen.

The historical fact is that until the defeat of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in World War I, there was no geopolitical entity called "Palestine," no Arab nation ever set historical roots on this soil and no national claim was ever made to the territory by any national group other than the Jews.

your map is pretty much, as the Arabs well know, complete and utter bullshiat.

Ah, yes, the "they're only Arabs" argument combined with the "let's ignore the UN map" argument.

The UN map is the important one. Compare it to the present day map, please. Yes, those Arabs are running rough shod over plucky little Israel. I'm sure the US is going to have to send in some more Marines to be blown up in their sleep.

Keep dehumanizing those filthy Arabs. I hear you can't drown them,either.

let's keep pretending that the Arab world wants anything less than the extermination of Israel. I am not dehumanizing anyone, they do that to each other. the fact remains that the Arabs want Israel dead. If the Arabs would leave the Jews the fark alone in their itty-bitty little shred of land, these problems would go away. The Jews have a right to their homeland. They just want to exist.

/farking muslims.

HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: frepnog: HotWingConspiracy: I_C_Weener: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah guys, Egypt is going to start a war with Israel. It makes total sense.

It did last time too.

Pretty sure the thinking is something like this.
Step 1 - elect Muslim extremists
Step 2 - Musl ...


Tatsuma?!?!
 
2012-01-03 12:50:29 PM

Bschott007: Tatsuma?!?!


You caught me. Wow, super detective work there. Nice of you to troll Tats though. You do know the Farq on that, right? Calling someone out who isn't in thread?

And...don't bother quoting the entire quote. Context is terrible stuff.

Welcome to the Big Leagues. You might last a week with that kind of debate skill.
 
2012-01-03 12:58:15 PM

I_C_Weener: Bschott007: Tatsuma?!?!

You caught me. Wow, super detective work there. Nice of you to troll Tats though. You do know the Farq on that, right? Calling someone out who isn't in thread?

And...don't bother quoting the entire quote. Context is terrible stuff.

Welcome to the Big Leagues. You might last a week with that kind of debate skill.


Wow, thicker skin buddy. You need it. I jokingly think that your post reminded me of something Tat would post (couldn't care less where he is or what he would say if he posted here) and you get your panties in a twist.

Calm down, Nancy Grace.
 
2012-01-03 12:58:54 PM
www.leadpipeposters.com
 
2012-01-03 12:58:59 PM
I wonder how well Israel would do without the welfare check it gets from the US taxpayers?
 
2012-01-03 12:59:56 PM

Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]


I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?
 
2012-01-03 01:01:12 PM

TappingTheVein: I remember when the 'Arab Spring' started and people were fairly optimistic. Democracy in Egypt, hurray!
Anyone who lived more than a couple of decades in the middle east saw this coming. It wasn't a choice between Democracy and Dictatorship, it was a choice between dictatorship (in this case a military rule) or islamic fundamentalism.

And no i don't believe Egypt, even under the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafi rule, will attack Israel anytime soon. They are still traumatized by their last defeat which by the way they celebrate as a glorious arab victory. I'm not kidding, they lie to themselves on a national scale. The psychology behind this is fascinating but that's irrelevant.


the arabs were losing the battle but did win the war.
their strategic objectives were obtained.
they mobilized their forces up under the noses of the IDF within hundreds of yards of the bar lev line, they breached it, made significant gains early on, largely neutralized isreal air power with a local sam umbrella, destroyed significant amounts of local Israel armor, syria did well on the heights, Israel was forced to call uncle sam for resupply, and although Egypt eventually had major reverses by that time the world intervened and insisted on the peace with the limited gains egypt sought all along. the Israels were left to do soul searching about how they got caught so flat footed intelligence wise and how they deal with technological improvements in AA and anti tank. I'm an impartial observer, and that was a win for the arabs.
 
2012-01-03 01:04:18 PM

I_C_Weener: And...don't bother quoting the entire quote. Context is terrible stuff.


You've also been around long enough to know that quoted text is automatically truncated at a certain length so stop using that strawman.
 
2012-01-03 01:06:24 PM

relcec: the arabs were losing the battle but did win the war.
their strategic objectives were obtained.


Not according to this Yom Kippur war, it ended in an israeli tactical victory.

relcec: the Israels were left to do soul searching about how they got caught so flat footed intelligence wise


True, still won't change the fact that Egypt lost.
 
2012-01-03 01:09:11 PM
One guy in Egypt = Egypt?
 
2012-01-03 01:14:34 PM

FormlessOne: One guy in Egypt = Egypt?


Obama = Just one guy in America.
 
2012-01-03 01:21:03 PM

FormlessOne: One guy in Egypt = Egypt?


Well, yeah, he said something bad about Israel, so therefore he represents everybody.
 
2012-01-03 01:23:52 PM

relcec: the arabs were losing the battle but did win the war.their strategic objectives were obtained.they mobilized their forces up under the noses of the IDF within hundreds of yards of the bar lev line, they breached it, made significant gains early on, largely neutralized isreal air power with a local sam umbrella, destroyed significant amounts of local Israel armor, syria did well on the heights, Israel was forced to call uncle sam for resupply, and although Egypt eventually had major reverses by that time the world intervened and insisted on the peace with the limited gains egypt sought all along. the Israels were left to do soul searching about how they got caught so flat footed intelligence wise and how they deal with technological improvements in AA and anti tank. I'm an impartial observer, and that was a win for the arabs.


That's certainly how I remember it being portrayed in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. And that this "win" was what enabled Egyptians to get past their 1967 humiliation and come to the negotiating table.
 
2012-01-03 01:23:55 PM

TappingTheVein: relcec: the arabs were losing the battle but did win the war.
their strategic objectives were obtained.

Not according to this Yom Kippur war, it ended in an israeli tactical victory.

relcec: the Israels were left to do soul searching about how they got caught so flat footed intelligence wise

True, still won't change the fact that Egypt lost.


yeah, well I have actually read books on the matter at hand.
you may want to look up the terms strategic victory and tactical victory. you'd look at pearl harbor and claim that Japanese won world war 2.
egypt won the war because their strategic aims were met. they got the suez canal back, which was their only war aim going in. the cultural and monetary value of that regaining the canal was enormous.
 
2012-01-03 01:23:58 PM
Jack Black 62


I wonder how well Israel Egypt Pakistan Jordan Kenya South Africa Mexico would do without the welfare check it gets from the US taxpayers?
 
2012-01-03 01:28:04 PM

relcec:
the arabs were losing the battle but did win the war.
their strategic objectives were obtained.
they mobilized their forces up under the noses of the IDF within hundreds of yards of the bar lev line, they breached it, made significant gains early on, largely neutralized isreal air power with a local sam umbrella, destroyed significant amounts of local Israel armor, syria did well on the heights, Israel was forced to call uncle sam for resupply, and although Egypt eventually had major reverses by that time the world intervened and insisted on the peace with the limited gains egypt sought all along. the Israels were left to do soul searching about how they got caught so flat footed intelligence wise and how they deal with technological improvements in AA and anti tank. I'm an impartial observer, and that was a win for the arabs.


Yeah, they did well early. So did Germany. Winning the first half is nice, but that doesn't win games. Significant gains in the Sinai amounted to a thin strip along the Canal. Hooray.

Syria did pathetically on the heights after day one. They failed to go beyond their initial objectives, they failed to secure their rear areas, they failed to completely destroy the Israeli units that had held the heights, they failed to be able to coordinate with their allies (Iraq and Jordan) during joint attacks, etc.

You can't say "win for the Arabs". You could say that it was successful for the Egyptians as they achieved their goals...which were largely diplomatic goals and not territorial. For the Syrians it was a disaster, for the Iraqis and Jordanians it was an annoyance that also showed the Jordanians how worthless their "allies" were.

Also, I do love that the US resupply of Israel is always noted but the Soviet resupply never is. Funny that. Guess those freshly painted tanks and lots of SAMs aren't really important.
 
2012-01-03 01:37:49 PM

Tatsuma: FormlessOne: One guy in Egypt = Egypt?

Obama = Just one guy in America.


Should I take this seriously?

I haven't clicked on the article - willfully ignorant I guess, but I somehow don't think I can take this guy in Egypt as seriously as I would the president of the United States.

Sorry.

Don't get me wrong - I realize shiat could stir up in the Middle East - I mean when hasn't it been stirred?

Like it or not Obama probably has more influence in the US than I do. And some shiathead who made a fark headline probably has more influence in Egypt than I do.

What the world does NOT need now is another war, but war will happen.

One thing I'm reminded of from history is it those people who have experienced war are those that are least likely to start another.
 
2012-01-03 01:38:21 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: It's so much what Egypt will do to Israel. It's what kinds and amount of weapons Egypt will let pass through its borders and into Gaza.

Israel should have kept trading land for peace. Her own citizens killed the last Prime Minister who sought to trade land for peace. I hope she enjoys trying to prove how tough she is without our help. I don't want a single Reagan-era American peacekeeper in Israel, Gaza or anywhere near there.

What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights. Annexed East Jerusalem. Invaded Lebanon and helped slaughter thousands of innocents in Sabra and Shatila.

Let's not talk about the US servicemen who were blown up trying to protect Israel while she behaved like this.


The peace treaty with Egypt is the poster-child for "land-for-peace". Here they are, after decades of peace, facing a loss of both the land and the peace. Doesn't seem to have worked out too well for them.
 
2012-01-03 01:44:12 PM

relcec: yeah, well I have actually read books on the matter at hand


Do the books specify any event other that the ones explained in the link i provided ?
Try reading this.

relcec: egypt won the war because their strategic aims were met. they got the suez canal back, which was their only war aim going in. the cultural and monetary value of that regaining the canal was enormous


Conquering Egypt was not Israel's objective. Despite a very bad start Israel finished the war as victorious. I suggest you read this.
 
2012-01-03 01:45:39 PM

RoyBatty: relcec: the arabs were losing the battle but did win the war.their strategic objectives were obtained.they mobilized their forces up under the noses of the IDF within hundreds of yards of the bar lev line, they breached it, made significant gains early on, largely neutralized isreal air power with a local sam umbrella, destroyed significant amounts of local Israel armor, syria did well on the heights, Israel was forced to call uncle sam for resupply, and although Egypt eventually had major reverses by that time the world intervened and insisted on the peace with the limited gains egypt sought all along. the Israels were left to do soul searching about how they got caught so flat footed intelligence wise and how they deal with technological improvements in AA and anti tank. I'm an impartial observer, and that was a win for the arabs.

That's certainly how I remember it being portrayed in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. And that this "win" was what enabled Egyptians to get past their 1967 humiliation and come to the negotiating table.


I'm not saying Israel couldn't have destroyed egypt, shouldn't have. for sure if the cease fire wasn't called Israel could have slaughtered whole armies and gone on to cairo (they were in the process of doing just that), but time was always the biggest constraining factor in the big Israel wars. and the world didn't give them that choice.
 
2012-01-03 01:48:18 PM

Mildot: I see your Loss of Palestinean Loss of Land and raise you American Indian loss of land. (new window)


Israel doesn't have to stop being a bunch of douchebags until they are the ONLY remaining douchebags. Gotcha.
 
2012-01-03 01:54:31 PM

relcec: That's certainly how I remember it being portrayed in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. And that this "win" was what enabled Egyptians to get past their 1967 humiliation and come to the negotiating table.I'm not saying Israel couldn't have destroyed egypt, shouldn't have. for sure if the cease fire wasn't called Israel could have slaughtered whole armies and gone on to cairo (they were in the process of doing just that), but time was always the biggest constraining factor in the big Israel wars. and the world didn't give them that choice.


Well, that's how I recall that as well, the was was *stopped* "just" as Israel crossed the Nile. (I bet that part is conveniently forgotten in many places.)

As Spade says it was more like Egyptian "win", than Arab win.
 
2012-01-03 01:56:17 PM

TappingTheVein: HotWingConspiracy: And agents of the state of Egypt contributed in some way?

Egyptian police officers have been known to be on Hamas and other terrorist organizations payroll, especially while looking the other way regarding the tunnels.


And this was condoned and sanctioned under Mubarak?

>In this specific case ? i don't know. I also don't know how this is relevant. I'll repeat:

The threat itself originated in Egypt. The attack itself came from the Egyptian side of the border

Are you saying Egypt is not responsible for their own border ?

Yes. As Israel is responsible for defending theirs.

Israel is under no threat from the state of Egypt. You're being sold a product.
 
2012-01-03 02:01:22 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Would all the farkers who said there was no reason to worry about the Muslim Brotherhood starting shiat in Egypt please stand up and identify yourselves?

I honestly considered making a list when this all started, but I got distracted by a boobies thread.


A people's right to self-determination (in this case re: leadership) is not in any way contingent on that decision's benefit to Americans or their allies.
 
2012-01-03 02:06:55 PM

TappingTheVein: They are still traumatized by their last defeat which by the way they celebrate as a glorious arab victory. I'm not kidding, they lie to themselves on a national scale (pops). The psychology behind this is fascinating but that's irrelevant.


From that article, it looks like they have to, or Egpytian Dick Cheney will shoot them all in the face.

www.kawther.info
 
2012-01-03 02:08:02 PM

coinspinner: From that article, it looks like they have to, or Egpytian Dick Cheney will shoot them all in the face.


Egyptian, even.
 
2012-01-03 02:13:50 PM

HotWingConspiracy: And this was condoned and sanctioned under Mubarak?


Again, irrelevant. The fact remains: egyptian cops were bribed by palestinian terrorist organizations. I doubt Mubarak was pleased about this.

HotWingConspiracy: Yes. As Israel is responsible for defending theirs.


Right, Egypt is responsible.
The threat came from Egypt. You seem to be having difficulty with this obvious fact.
Why is that ?

HotWingConspiracy: Israel is under no threat from the state of Egypt. You're being sold a product.


And you seem to be in a state of denial regarding the actual facts happening in reality.
I made it very clear that i agree that there is no danger of war. Threats are another issue.

Because the attack wasn't suctioned by the official state of Egypt with a seal of approval from Mubarak we'll just ignore it as if it never happened right ? Sinai is Egypt's land under Egypt's control and what happened on Egypt's side of the border is Egypt's responsibility. This is not rocket science.
 
2012-01-03 02:14:51 PM

meanmutton: TheShavingofOccam123: It's so much what Egypt will do to Israel. It's what kinds and amount of weapons Egypt will let pass through its borders and into Gaza.

Israel should have kept trading land for peace. Her own citizens killed the last Prime Minister who sought to trade land for peace. I hope she enjoys trying to prove how tough she is without our help. I don't want a single Reagan-era American peacekeeper in Israel, Gaza or anywhere near there.

What did Israel do during Reagan's "Israel Right or Wrong" era? Annexed the Golan Heights. Annexed East Jerusalem. Invaded Lebanon and helped slaughter thousands of innocents in Sabra and Shatila.

Let's not talk about the US servicemen who were blown up trying to protect Israel while she behaved like this.

The peace treaty with Egypt is the poster-child for "land-for-peace". Here they are, after decades of peace, facing a loss of both the land and the peace. Doesn't seem to have worked out too well for them.


I would think the poster child for "land for peace" is the Israeli Prime Minister having his head blown off by an Israeli.

Israel has tried to give back the Golan in the past--plenty of Israeli leaders have stated the Golan isn't part of Israel and should be returned. Keep trying to give land for peace through the creation of a Palestinian state but wear a helmet when you go out in public on state functions.
 
2012-01-03 02:16:15 PM

kingoomieiii:

Israel doesn't have to stop being a bunch of douchebags until they are the ONLY remaining douchebags. Gotcha.


NO. It's more like there is no point of retreat. If We (And I say We, because if war breaks out, I will be one of those Israeli soldiers) lose just once, then goodbye Israel. Call it siege mentality, or Holocaust trauma, or whatever. But that is a sad fact.
And it's not good for the Jews.
You may not give a fark about Israel or Jews, but I do. I live here. And I like it. And I like being alive. And threats like this are an unfortunate part of the tapestry of life here.
 
2012-01-03 02:24:36 PM

Norv Turner: If we have to go back to the middle east for another war because of f**king Israel, I'm going to be so pissed.

Take your sky fairy back to imagination land and suck my balls. I know it's more about land than religion but Christ, just give the Jewish people some land in the western sahara, same climate, no people.


Actually, as far as I can tell, the problem is that Palestine has no water and Israel has all the water. Which, in that climate, is very very bad.

An ideal solution to that would be to merge the two countries so they could both share the water, but they're also idealistic asshats who enjoy killing each other. At this stage, the best option might be to let them have a fight of champions or something. Anything to avoid the nukes.

/If updraft creates a nuclear winter, I will be Not Thrilled
 
2012-01-03 02:27:32 PM

Maud Dib: Dear Egypt,
Do NOT taunt the dynamite monkey.
There are still foxholes, tank revetments, and other debris of war from your last folly visible in the desert today.
This is near Ismailia, the desert never rains so all this stuff is still quite visible on Google Earth.

[i865.photobucket.com image 640x469]


\goddamn cursor.


alt+prtscn will get you the window only...then crop...
 
2012-01-03 02:27:48 PM

tjassen: kingoomieiii:

Israel doesn't have to stop being a bunch of douchebags until they are the ONLY remaining douchebags. Gotcha.

NO. It's more like there is no point of retreat. If We (And I say We, because if war breaks out, I will be one of those Israeli soldiers)



Considering the gravity of what might happen soon I must ask you in all sincerity and on behalf of many other Farkers...Just how many of the hot IDF girls really can be found in the typical everyday IDF. I'm sure those pics are cherry picked almost to the point of suspecting they are really plants. Just how common are they ?



Good luck and keep your head down (unless you're the Israeli Convincing Savant)
 
2012-01-03 02:28:00 PM

Mildot: Here's the plan, we're going to through you under the bus and fark the whole region for a generation or more.

[www.neontommy.com image 500x374]


"I'm gonna bite your nose!"
 
2012-01-03 02:34:12 PM

One Bad Apple: tjassen: kingoomieiii:

Israel doesn't have to stop being a bunch of douchebags until they are the ONLY remaining douchebags. Gotcha.

NO. It's more like there is no point of retreat. If We (And I say We, because if war breaks out, I will be one of those Israeli soldiers)


Considering the gravity of what might happen soon I must ask you in all sincerity and on behalf of many other Farkers...Just how many of the hot IDF girls really can be found in the typical everyday IDF. I'm sure those pics are cherry picked almost to the point of suspecting they are really plants. Just how common are they ?


Actually, Israeli women are pretty hot all around. Uniforms just make it better.
 
2012-01-03 02:35:32 PM

Happy Hours: Should I take this seriously?


Yes and no. That man is, I suppose if it's the same thing I read earlier today (I also dnrtfa) basically either the next Egyptian President, or he is the man who will dictate the policies adopted by the Muslim Brotherhood, who WILL win the next elections, and establish a coalition with the Salafist Nour party.

So yes, in a sense, that's someone who is relatively as powerful as Obama in America.

My point was not a direct comparison, however, just to show that the ridiculous idea that one man cannot represent a country is just that, ridiculous
 
2012-01-03 02:35:33 PM

tjassen: NO. It's more like there is no point of retreat.


Would it be possible to stop putting up NEW farking settlements in territory outside your borders, and then complaining when the other side isn't interested in peace talks? It's like you guys are kicking a dog on purpose and then complaining that it behaves badly around you.
 
2012-01-03 02:40:49 PM
Actually I just read the article AND I just read some news about the elections going on:


The Muslim Brotherhood is quite likely to win the majority of seats on their own, so not even a coalition, and this man is the deputy head of the Muslim Brotherhood

So while he might not exactly be Obama, they are pretty much the same in terms of power in Egypt
 
2012-01-03 02:42:59 PM
Tatsuma:So while he might not exactly be Obama, they are pretty much the same in terms of power in Egypt

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2012-01-03 03:04:48 PM

kingoomieiii: tjassen: NO. It's more like there is no point of retreat.

Would it be possible to stop putting up NEW farking settlements in territory outside your borders, and then complaining when the other side isn't interested in peace talks? It's like you guys are kicking a dog on purpose and then complaining that it behaves badly around you.


First of all, many Israelis ARE opposed to building....

Second of all, the whole shebang is much more complex than just settlements.
Some of those settlements are full blown cities. Others, particularly some considered "East Jerusalem" are regular neighborhoods of Jerusalem.

Third of all, When we REMOVED settlements, ie Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip, that didn't turn out so well for us. So Israelis tend to be a bit cynical about the whole thing.

And fourth of all, (and probably the most important)- This is a thread about a possible EGYPTIAN threat to Israel. Nothing about the peace process with the Palestinians. It's not like Israel is building settlements in the Sinai (btw, Israel did build settlements there that were emptied when Sinai was returned to Egypt). Either it's the Arab-Israeli conflict, or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Combining the two is a red herring used by Arab leaders to deflect criticism from their own failures. And we've seen how well that's worked out for them.
 
2012-01-03 03:05:07 PM
Hey Tats, tell me what you think of this idea.

Let's say we combine both Isreal and Palestine into one state. The government is ruled by a table of five leaders. One Isreali, one Palestinian, and Three neutrals to help arbitrate disputes. Each side gets full access to all holy sites, and foreign peacekeepers occupy the hell out of everywhere and tries to keep the violence to a minimum. As current generations grow old and die off, and as the younger generations get along better, the neutrals slowly pull out and the Isrealis and Palestinians govern themselves entirely. The object of this would be to quell the fighting, allow everyone access to their holy sites, and otherwise bring about peace when it otherwise wasn't going to arrive anytime soon.

What do you think? Not snarky, seriously suggesting this. But, given as I have no dogs at all in this fight, I'd like to ask the opinion of someone who does.
 
2012-01-03 03:06:09 PM
It's perfectly OK for Egypt to have a democracy that elects militant muslims as their leaders.

It's perfectly OK for them to go to war with Israel.

It's perfectly OK for Israel to kick their asses again, and afterwards...

It will be perfectly OK for the democracy in Egypt to elect some perhaps smarter people to govern them.
 
2012-01-03 03:13:58 PM

Cpl.D: Three neutrals



Who exactly would that be?
 
2012-01-03 03:25:07 PM

BigNumber12: Cpl.D: Three neutrals


Who exactly would that be?


images.wikia.com
 
2012-01-03 03:25:40 PM

Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?


So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?
 
2012-01-03 03:31:19 PM

BigNumber12: Who exactly would that be?


No idea. I'm speaking very hypothetically.
 
2012-01-03 03:45:59 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?


Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.
 
2012-01-03 03:50:37 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.


So if I follow what your saying, the real issue is that there is still some green on that map?
 
2012-01-03 03:59:14 PM

Altourus: TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.

So if I follow what your saying, the real issue is that there is still some green on that map?


The green is non-Israeli land set aside by the UN. The only successful, long-term peace solution in that area has been land-for-peace. Before the Palestinians lose all of their lands, Israel might be decent enough to give some of it back, return to established borders, give back the Golan as many Israeli leaders have suggested or tried. It sure beats having more US military blown up in their bunks, US Navy ships attacked by Israeli military and the spector of innocent civilians being starved, burned, bull-dozed to death or driven into the sea or Egypt.

If it wasn't a possible solution, I doubt an Prime Minister would have been murdered in order to prevent it from being implemented.
 
2012-01-03 04:06:23 PM
Where is God Emperor of Dune when you need one?
 
2012-01-03 04:11:05 PM
from the article:
"the Muslim Brotherhood also would work to cancel the 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt."

You guys know that Israel has nukes, right?
 
2012-01-03 04:20:00 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.


Gee what happened to that post where Tatsuma admitted he was here arguing with hotwingconspiracy even though there were no previous Tatsuma posts in the thread?

Well, it looks like I'll have to use Google to figure out which alts Tatsuma was using earlier. Tatsuma got caught in another lie--just like the Iranians importing hit squads and no Israeli use of White Phosporous. Give me a second to google this and I'll figure out Tatsuma's alts.
 
2012-01-03 04:25:32 PM
Looks like I'll be putting two more besides Tatsuma on iggy.

Very disappointing but I should have known. The ends justify the means with this guy.
 
2012-01-03 04:27:41 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: The only successful, long-term peace solution in that area has been land-for-peace.


The peace treaty between Israel and Jordan has lasted 18 years so far, and did not involve trading land for peace.

The peace treaty between Israel and Egypt did involve returning land, and is now being threatened by the Muslim Brotherhood. As per the original article.

Israel has withdrawn from all of Lebanon (as attested to by the UN), and it still doesn't have peace on that border.

Israel has withdrawn from all of the Gaza Strip, and it still doesn't have peace there.
 
2012-01-03 04:29:43 PM

FarkedUBAR: TheShavingofOccam123: The only successful, long-term peace solution in that area has been land-for-peace.

The peace treaty between Israel and Jordan has lasted 18 years so far, and did not involve trading land for peace.

The peace treaty between Israel and Egypt did involve returning land, and is now being threatened by the Muslim Brotherhood. As per the original article.

Israel has withdrawn from all of Lebanon (as attested to by the UN), and it still doesn't have peace on that border.

Israel has withdrawn from all of the Gaza Strip, and it still doesn't have peace there.


So the fact that there is still green IS the issue? gotcha
 
2012-01-03 04:31:46 PM

FarkedUBAR: TheShavingofOccam123: The only successful, long-term peace solution in that area has been land-for-peace.

The peace treaty between Israel and Jordan has lasted 18 years so far, and did not involve trading land for peace.

The peace treaty between Israel and Egypt did involve returning land, and is now being threatened by the Muslim Brotherhood. As per the original article.

Israel has withdrawn from all of Lebanon (as attested to by the UN), and it still doesn't have peace on that border.

Israel has withdrawn from all of the Gaza Strip, and it still doesn't have peace there.


The reason why Israel may not have peace with Gaza and Lebanon may be because Israel invaded both of them.

Jordan gave up land for peace. Israel was willing to give up the West Bank to Jordan but the deal was shot down by Israeli prime minister. Land was traded for peace.
 
2012-01-03 04:32:54 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Looks like I'll be putting two more besides Tatsuma on iggy.

Very disappointing but I should have known. The ends justify the means with this guy.


You have Tatsuma on ignore but you saw his post?

Does ignore work that way?
 
2012-01-03 04:36:10 PM

RoyBatty: TheShavingofOccam123: Looks like I'll be putting two more besides Tatsuma on iggy.

Very disappointing but I should have known. The ends justify the means with this guy.

You have Tatsuma on ignore but you saw his post?

Does ignore work that way?


I switched it off and found his post where he admitted he was using alts to argue with people in here. That post disappeared after I called him on it. Fark works that way.

I'm still waiting for his list of alts. I'm gonna go get a cold drink and a cushion. It's going to be a long wait.
 
2012-01-03 04:41:39 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.


Your stupid map doesn't show JORDAN, of which the about half the population is Palestinian.

Not to mention the West Bank was JORDAN pre-1967 war.

You suggest Israel give the West Bank back to JORDAN?
 
2012-01-03 04:44:42 PM
About that post of Tatsuma's disappearing. I didn't put him back on ignore, thus hiding his post. My wife put him back on ignore while I was using my Marine Core college benefits to study for my GED in Law.

/this iggy, non-iggy, iggy is confusing.
 
2012-01-03 04:44:58 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: That post disappeared after I called him on it. Fark works that way.


Well all else being equal, that post is still there, how is it you think Tatsuma was able to disappear that post? Perhaps the Juden own Fark?
 
2012-01-03 04:47:22 PM

peterthx: TheShavingofOccam123: [fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com image 640x426]

see post above.

Your stupid map doesn't show JORDAN, of which the about half the population is Palestinian.

Not to mention the West Bank was JORDAN pre-1967 war.

You suggest Israel give the West Bank back to JORDAN?


I already mentioned above that Israel had authored a treaty that gave the West Bank back to Jordan. That the treaty was rejected by the Israeli PM. That Jordan, in order to make peace with Israel, abandoned Jordan's claim over the West Bank.

I didn't suggest Israel give the West Bank back. Israel tried to. Jordan was gracious and gave up land for peace.
 
2012-01-03 04:48:06 PM
My Jews beat like a drum, like a drum.
Dum dum dum, dum dum dum.
 
2012-01-03 04:49:09 PM

RoyBatty: TheShavingofOccam123: That post disappeared after I called him on it. Fark works that way.

Well all else being equal, that post is still there, how is it you think Tatsuma was able to disappear that post? Perhaps the Juden own Fark?


I think I followed Fark tradition and properly blamed my wife on the previous post. I didn't blame the Jews.
 
2012-01-03 05:01:03 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: RoyBatty: TheShavingofOccam123: That post disappeared after I called him on it. Fark works that way.

Well all else being equal, that post is still there, how is it you think Tatsuma was able to disappear that post? Perhaps the Juden own Fark?

I think I followed Fark tradition and properly blamed my wife on the previous post. I didn't blame the Jews.


Well, I think you've been blaming the Jews in this thread since your Boobies, so regarding your wife, I have to rebut with Fark tradition and say tits or it didn't happen.
 
2012-01-03 05:06:54 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.


Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.
 
2012-01-03 05:31:49 PM
One side can't accept that they can't win, and the other won't accept that war makes soldiers die. Both sides are made of crazy, and deserve the deaths they want for each other. I only wish both sides would find a less collaterally damaging way to kill each other.
 
2012-01-03 05:40:07 PM

Verzio: TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.

Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.


You know, one of the most interesting things I've learned about the Holocaust is how easy it would have been to prevent at the early stages, when Nazis were passing around copies of "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" and researching what they called their "denouncement program." Essentially, the Nazi scientists would make an accusation about some Jewish person in a particular neighborhood. Whether these accusations were true or false was of no concern, they were made and the reactions of the non-Jewish neighbors were what the Nazis carefully recorded. They even tested control "denouncements" for non-crimes ("He ate a donut! He served in the Kaiser's army in the Great War!"), and some simply absurd ones as well. The research, one of the first modern "focus testing" systems, was done with the single goal of finding out what activity each neighborhood considered the most heinous possible crime, so the SS could begin forging a chain of evidence that would convince the neighborhood that the Jew was guilty of the crime (including fake military papers for "serving in the Kaiser's army," if it turned out the neighborhood was really that horrified by it).

It worked spectacularly well for rounding up Jews that were otherwise considered near-saintly by their non-Jewish neighbors. Still works today, as all the "pro-Jew but anti-Zionist" moonbats demonstrate at every opportunity. While there may have been amusement value in accepting certain denouncements, like getting paid a pension by the Nazis for "serving in the Kaiser's army," the fact is the whole sad industrialized slaughter of millions of loyal German citizens could have been stopped if only the neighbors of the Jews being denounced just kept responding to the denouncements with "No, that accusation is freaking ridiculous, and I won't accept it without solid proof." The entire research system would have gone the same way as other failed lines of research like the Paranormal Research Division, and Hitler may not have been able to trick his citizens into slaughtering their neighbors as casually as they butchered pigs for sausage until the cracks started showing in his apparent military genius.

The point is, it's important to keep shouting down all the absurd accusations being thrown at Israel at every opportunity. It may only be a few voices shouting the truth, that Israel has literally tried everything short of committing suicide to make peace with the Palestinians and its neighboring countries, and trying the same things again only wearing funny hats this time isn't going to work. But it's important that those voices keep shouting the truth, because that simple action delays the plans of those who advocate the annihilation of Israel, and if those can be delayed long enough, eventually the lies will be exposed. Hopefully this time without the massacre of another six million Jews with the acquiescence and even blessings of those who promised to protect them.
 
2012-01-03 05:49:14 PM

ha-ha-guy: Egypt's armed with modern weapons (a lot of them American made, they have Abrams tanks for example) and has gotten a lot of training from the US Military. Such a war would not be a huge cakewalk for Israel.


Actually, Egypt is the one with Abrams tanks. Israel has it's own MBT, the Merkava.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-01-03 06:05:31 PM
I_C_Weener

grotto_man: Cairo alone has 4 times Israel's population, and unlike past opponents Egypt has the latest and greatest American weaponry. It's a very, very real threat - this.

So Cairo is what you might call a "target rich" environment?


You might call it that. I'd call it a major source of a very large army, and high tech fantasies to the contrary, boots on the ground count for quite a lot.

Also, Saddam Hussein had the largest army in the world once.

1) I never claimed that the size alone was the determining factor, but Egypt has tech he didn't
2) Much of his army had no stake in keeping Kuwait. Much of it actively hated him. An Egpytian Muslim army going after the hated Jews would be another matter.

I think Israel produces top level military technology. Egypt relies on U.S. cast-offs for its top level hardware.

Any sources for that? While this supports my argument that they do have good US hardware.

Also, Israel has this whole idea of "If you put out one of our eyes, we will take your whole farking head and probably that of your ten closest friends and relatives, and burn down your house".

Utter BS Israel bashing. Israel got attacked numerous times from Gaza before they went in. Israel does its best to minimize civilian casualties - even an article from HuPo on that - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/hamas-is-responsible-for_ b _155261.html , while Hamas, Hezbollah, etc commit actual war crimes by targeting civilians, and initiating hostilities for that matter.
 
2012-01-03 06:44:28 PM

Mildot: illegal.tender: Someone remind me why I'm supposed to give two shiats about Israel again, please. They seem to mostly be a huge pain in the ass.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 340x425]


Israel does state-sponsored terrorism all the time and is nation almost practically founded on arbitrary taking of land and terrorism.
 
2012-01-03 07:11:51 PM

kingoomieiii: A people's right to self-determination (in this case re: leadership) is not in any way contingent on that decision's benefit to Americans or their allies.


Actually, yes, yes it is.
That's how the world is run.
The world might change, but it's been exactly that way for a long time.
 
2012-01-03 07:12:24 PM
The Egyptians do realize that the ONLY reason the US gives the Billion$ in aid every year is to buy their "friendship" with the Jewish State, right?

Guess what Egypt: Uncle Sam is cutting your allowance.


/Prolly just give the money to Israel
 
2012-01-03 07:17:27 PM

Tatterdemalian: Verzio: TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.

Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.

You know, one of the most interesting things I've learned about the Holocaust is how easy it would have been to prevent at the early stages, when Nazis were passing around copies of "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" and researching what they called their "denouncement program." Essentially, the Nazi scientists would make an accusation about some Jewish person in a particular neighborhood. Whether these accusations were true or false was of no concern, they were made and the reactions of the non-Jewish neighbors were what the Nazis carefully recorded. They even tested control "denouncements" for non-crimes ("He ate a donut! He served in the Kaiser's army in the Great War!"), and some simply absurd ones as well. The research, one of the first modern "focus testing" systems, was done with the single goal of finding out what activity each neighborhood considered the most heinous possible crime, so the SS could begin forging a chain of evidence that would convince the neighborhood that the Jew was guilty of the crime (including fake military papers for "serving in the Kaiser's army," if it turned out the neighborhood was really that horrified by it).

It worked spectacularly well for rounding up Jews that were otherwise considered near-saintly by their non-Jewish neighbors. Still works today, as all the "pro-Jew but anti-Zionist" moonbats demonstrate at every opportunity. While there ...


Why don't you just come out and call me anti-Semitic? Join the crowd. It would like you were making an outrageous denouncement of me.
 
2012-01-03 07:29:22 PM

Outlaw Thirds: ha-ha-guy: Egypt's armed with modern weapons (a lot of them American made, they have Abrams tanks for example) and has gotten a lot of training from the US Military. Such a war would not be a huge cakewalk for Israel.

Actually, Egypt is the one with Abrams tanks. Israel has it's own MBT, the Merkava.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]


Did you not read the post you quoted?
 
2012-01-03 07:32:14 PM

Verzio: TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.

Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.



Gee, it sounds like Israel sure has a lot of enemies.

It's almost enough to make you wonder whether carving a Zionist State for European Jews out of land populated and surrounded Arabs folks was such a good idea.


/Stupid Herzl
//What was he thinking?
///And why did they listen?
 
2012-01-03 07:50:37 PM

Mildot: Here's the plan, we're going to through you under the bus and fark the whole region for a generation or more.


U shur do type pritty. Ded you go to juneyour hi to git all that there buk learnin'?
 
2012-01-03 08:30:09 PM

Tatsuma: FormlessOne: One guy in Egypt = Egypt?

Obama Michele Bachmann = Just one guy in America.


A more appropriate analogy, as we're not talking about the leader of the country but a candidate being offered for the job by the most extreme political faction in that country.

Imagine if the rest of the world reacted to whatever Michele Bachmann, or David Duke, or Sarah Palin, or Ron Paul said as if it was the predominant and guiding statement of the United States.
 
2012-01-03 08:35:49 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.



2.bp.blogspot.com

It would appear that frepnog may be the droid you're looking for.

/They march single file
//To hide their numbers
 
2012-01-03 08:47:09 PM

Amos Quito: TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.


[2.bp.blogspot.com image 632x276]

It would appear that frepnog may be the droid you're looking for.

/They march single file
//To hide their numbers


Frepnog and others evidently.

Here let me give myself one of these...

www.inquisitr.com

I've actually tried to understand how a head of state could refer to his nation as "the ********-ish state" and claim to be the head of a liberal democracy. If he means "a state full of ***********s" that's one thing. But if he means "an eventual *********ish theocracy" then that's another thing.

I can't imagine a modern day POTUS standing up and saying we are a Christian nation. It would cause a shiatstorm.

So I won't bother to think about it anymore.
 
2012-01-03 09:03:59 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.


Why should I?
 
2012-01-03 09:05:39 PM

muck4doo: TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.

Why should I?


I knew it!!1!
 
2012-01-03 09:13:57 PM

Fissile: This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.



2/10. But you were doing pretty well until the part where the IAF needed pilots from somewhere else to do their flying for them.
 
2012-01-03 09:21:56 PM

muck4doo: TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.

Why should I?



LOL!

Got my click on the "funny" tab!
 
2012-01-03 09:31:43 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I've actually tried to understand how a head of state could refer to his nation as "the ********-ish state" and claim to be the head of a liberal democracy



Well, Bibi tends to speak with Farked tongue. Just ask French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

TheShavingofOccam123: If he means "a state full of ***********s" that's one thing. But if he means "an eventual *********ish theocracy" then that's another thing.



Well, that WAS kind of the whole idea of Political Zionism from the get-go, wasn't it?

But you must understand that times have changed. Hell, back in Teddy Herzl's day racism, bigotry and ethnocentrism were pretty much accepted as facts of life. These days, racists and bigots are looked down upon and scorned like baby rapers.

/Except Israel, of course
//They're "special"
 
2012-01-03 09:33:38 PM

Amos Quito: "Gee, it sounds like Israel sure has a lot of enemies."


Gee, it looks like that gay kid sure has a lot of kids beating up on him. Must be something he did.


Amos Quito: "It's almost enough to make you wonder whether carving a Zionist State for European Jews out of land populated and surrounded Arabs folks was such a good idea."


You are at least peripherally aware that much of the "carved" land was purchased from willing sellers, often for much more than fair-market value...right?
 
2012-01-03 09:41:21 PM

Tatterdemalian: The point is, it's important to keep shouting down all the absurd accusations being thrown at Israel at every opportunity. It may only be a few voices shouting the truth, that Israel has literally tried everything short of committing suicide to make peace with the Palestinians and its neighboring countries, and trying the same things again only wearing funny hats this time isn't going to work. But it's important that those voices keep shouting the truth, because that simple action delays the plans of those who advocate the annihilation of Israel, and if those can be delayed long enough, eventually the lies will be exposed. Hopefully this time without the massacre of another six million Jews with the acquiescence and even blessings of those who promised to protect them.


This bears repeating.
It's not enough to simply let the liars shout their lies and hope that people will recognize them for what they are, they must be shouted down with the truth.
And this not only goes for a subject like Israel but for all those types of heinous lies of racism and bigotry.
It's a bummer, though, because life is hard enough as it is, without assholes actually making it harder.
 
2012-01-03 10:37:46 PM

spmkk: Amos Quito: "Gee, it sounds like Israel sure has a lot of enemies."

Gee, it looks like that gay kid sure has a lot of kids beating up on him. Must be something he did.



Israelis are GAY???

No wonder the Palestinians are outbreeding them.


spmkk: Amos Quito: "It's almost enough to make you wonder whether carving a Zionist State for European Jews out of land populated and surrounded Arabs folks was such a good idea."

You are at least peripherally aware that much of the "carved" land was purchased from willing sellers, often for much more than fair-market value...right?



I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel.

Why do you ask?
 
2012-01-04 04:51:58 AM

Amos Quito: I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel.

Why do you ask?


Any of this has anything to do with your thesis about the Holocaust being a zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel ?
 
2012-01-04 10:01:25 AM

Amos Quito: I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel the propaganda techniques used in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

Why do you ask?


Just to confirm your anti-Semitism, in a way that will make you stand up tall and proud and think you're really impressing your audience without realizing you might as well just be shrieking "SIEG HEIL" at the top of your voice.

/the book remains popular because the propaganda techniques it uses still work
//the only defense is constant vigilance
 
2012-01-04 02:27:46 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

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I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.


I think this Tats has many alts theory is pretty weird - I've never seen one guy get so many accusations from other farkers.
 
2012-01-04 02:32:13 PM

TheShavingofOccam123:
I've actually tried to understand how a head of state could refer to his nation as "the ********-ish state" and claim to be the head of a liberal democracy. If he means "a state full of ***********s" that's one thing. But if he means "an eventual *********ish theocracy" then that's another thing.


Do you mean like England claiming it is a democracy, even though there is an official Church of England?
 
2012-01-04 02:35:20 PM

Porous Horace: This bears repeating.
It's not enough to simply let the liars shout their lies and hope that people will recognize them for what they are, they must be shouted down with the truth.
And this not only goes for a subject like Israel but for all those types of heinous lies of racism and bigotry.
It's a bummer, though, because life is hard enough as it is, without assholes actually making it harder.



Honestly, is there any way to clean up fark? It is mostly a good community with a couple of truly racist a-holes thread shaiting again and again.
 
2012-01-04 04:14:14 PM

smileynyc: Honestly, is there any way to clean up fark? It is mostly a good community with a couple of truly racist a-holes thread shaiting again and again.


There are times when I prefer the bigots expose themselves. I'd rather see the cockroaches then have them hide in the shadows.

I've taken though, when I see some pretty nasty examples, to "favorite" those users as "bigotry - said blah - thread: 6856913" and then shade them gray.

I think this is better than placing them on ignore, and it helps me find their original bigoted remarks, and know that maybe some folks need more of a rebuttal than others.
 
2012-01-04 08:33:30 PM
Tatterdemalian: Verzio: TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.

Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.

You know, one of the most interesting things I've learned about the Holocaust is how easy it would have been to prevent at the early stages, when Nazis were passing around copies of "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" and researching what they called their "denouncement program." Essentially, the Nazi scientists would make an accusation about some Jewish person in a particular neighborhood. Whether these accusations were true or false was of no concern, they were made and the reactions of the non-Jewish neighbors were what the Nazis carefully recorded. They even tested control "denouncements" for non-crimes ("He ate a donut! He served in the Kaiser's army in the Great War!"), and some simply absurd ones as well. The research, one of the first modern "focus testing" systems, was done with the single goal of finding out what activity each neighborhood considered the most heinous possible crime, so the SS could begin forging a chain of evidence that would convince the neighborhood that the Jew was guilty of the crime (including fake military papers for "serving in the Kaiser's army," if it turned out the neighborhood was really that horrified by it).

It worked spectacularly well for rounding up Jews that were otherwise considered near-saintly by their non-Jewish neighbors. Still works today, as all the "pro-Jew but anti-Zionist" moonbats demonstrate at every opportunity. While there ...




a big Bold THIS
 
2012-01-04 08:43:59 PM
If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...
 
2012-01-04 10:09:19 PM

Tatterdemalian: Amos Quito: I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel the propaganda techniques used in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

Why do you ask?



LOL!

I'm talking about the history of Zionism - the documented textbook history - both prior to and following the publication of "The Protocols", which are irrelevant in any case, as they made their first appearance in 1903, and Herzl died in 1904, having already done much of the preliminary work in building support for the concept of a Zionist State in Palestine.

Tatterdemalian: Just to confirm your anti-Semitism, in a way that will make you stand up tall and proud and think you're really impressing your audience without realizing you might as well just be shrieking "SIEG HEIL" at the top of your voice.



What is this anti-Semitism? It almost sounds like you're describing the antithesis of Semitism, doesn't it?

Your retort is hollow. You address none of the issues, seeking instead to wrap yourself in a cloak of sympathy by invoking buzz-words and ad hominem attacks.


Tatterdemalian: /the book remains popular because the propaganda techniques it uses still work
//the only defense is constant vigilance



You sound paranoid.
 
2012-01-04 10:14:25 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel.

Why do you ask?

Any of this has anything to do with your thesis about the Holocaust being a zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel ?



Of course I Never said that.

But in retrospect, the Jews did go to Israel, didn't they?

Would the Zionists have been able to fulfill their dream of a Zionist state without the population of European Jews that the Holocaust supplied? it is doubtful.

If life hands you lemons, make lemonade. Right?
 
2012-01-04 10:50:56 PM

Maul555: If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...



I agree.

We've given the Israelis far too many arms. Totally upset the balance of power in the region.
 
2012-01-04 11:02:53 PM

Amos Quito: Maul555: If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...


I agree.

We've given the Israelis far too many arms. Totally upset the balance of power in the region.


LOL!
Is this how you get your jollies, with your antagonistic remarks and anti-Jewish sentiments, you loathsome piece of shyt.
 
2012-01-04 11:52:55 PM

Porous Horace: Amos Quito: Maul555: If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...


I agree.

We've given the Israelis far too many arms. Totally upset the balance of power in the region.




Porous Horace: LOL!
Is this how you get your jollies, with your antagonistic remarks and anti-Jewish sentiments, you loathsome piece of shyt.



Please don't kill me, Porous Horace!

Too many people know.

Call off the Mossad hit, SRSLY.

Oh please don't kill me, Porous Horace!
 
2012-01-05 01:44:22 AM

smileynyc: I think this Tats has many alts theory is pretty weird - I've never seen one guy get so many accusations from other farkers.


It's especially funny since I don't have any, nor ever used any. I just decided to roll with it, and I expect that by 2014, most people on Fark will think I'm 70% of the posters.

See, it's much easier to silence a viewpoint that you don't agree with by pretending that kind of stuff rather, than, you know, attack the actual points I'm making.
 
2012-01-05 02:25:04 AM

Amos Quito: Porous Horace: Amos Quito: Maul555: If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...


I agree.

We've given the Israelis far too many arms. Totally upset the balance of power in the region.



Porous Horace: LOL!
Is this how you get your jollies, with your antagonistic remarks and anti-Jewish sentiments, you loathsome piece of shyt.


Please don't kill me, Porous Horace!

Too many people know.

Call off the Mossad hit, SRSLY.

Oh please don't kill me, Porous Horace!



Don't be ridiculous.
The only person liable to take your life is yourself, possible after having a good look in the mirror.
If I said you were on a list it wouldn't be a "hit" list. Things don't work that way.
 
2012-01-05 03:54:12 AM

Amos Quito: Of course I Never said that.


You're like clockwork. "But i never said that". Yes you did.

Amos Quito: I shudder at the thought - but then I have to wonder, were it not for the horrors suffered by European Jews under the Nazis - literally driving these poor souls from their homes and into the Promised Land, would the Zionists have EVER been able to gather enough Jews in Palestine to form a viable Jewish State?

Frankly, I don't see how
.

The Glen Beckian way! i'm only asking questions.. it goes south from there.

Amos Quito: But in retrospect, the Jews did go to Israel, didn't they?

Would the Zionists have been able to fulfill their dream of a Zionist state without the population of European Jews that the Holocaust supplied? it is doubtful.

If life hands you lemons, make lemonade. Right?


See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy", that would expose your anti-semitism and retardation on a grand scale. You only "wonder" and "ask questions".
You must think that makes you the most clever anti-semite sack of shiat around!
 
2012-01-05 06:05:02 AM

TappingTheVein: The Glen Beckian way!


To compare Glenn Beck to Amos Quito is a very very serious insult to Glenn Beck.
 
2012-01-05 10:41:18 AM

TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy", that would expose your anti-semitism and retardation on a grand scale. You only "wonder" and "ask questions".
You must think that makes you the most clever anti-semite sack of shiat around!


It's the same game plan they've used since the start of the Third Reich. "Protocols" never actually accused the Jews of being part of an international conspiacy, either. It only "wondered," "asked questions," and suggested that, if there WAS an international Zionist conspiracy, certain well-known historical events would have taken place exactly the way they did, so... "We're not saying it was the Elders of Zion, we're just presenting information and letting people decide (that it was the Elders of Zion)."

Funny thing about propaganda though... any ideas, no matter how wonderfully revolutionary, that are built entirely from words, can also be entirely destroyed with words. Even the words of a single child who won't stop yelling, "The Emperor got no clothes on!"

/or the words of a single determined Fark poster
//keep on rocking, Tatsuma
 
2012-01-05 10:55:17 AM
Restoring context:.

TappingTheVein: Any of this has anything to do with your thesis about the Holocaust being a zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel ?


Amos Quito: Of course I Never said that.


TappingTheVein: You're like clockwork. "But i never said that". Yes you did.

Amos Quito: I shudder at the thought - but then I have to wonder, were it not for the horrors suffered by European Jews under the Nazis - literally driving these poor souls from their homes and into the Promised Land, would the Zionists have EVER been able to gather enough Jews in Palestine to form a viable Jewish State?



So, TappingTheVein, you claim that I said that the Holocaust was a "zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel", and then set about to PROVE your claim by citing a post in which I said nothing of the sort.

Pretty stupid, don't you think?

And here's the cool part - you actually admit (above) that your claim was bullshiat from the start:


TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy"



Hint: If you have to resort to LYING to prop up your positions, you may wish to reconsider whether your positions are worthy of defending.


You're Fapping In Vain as usual, TappingTheVein.


/Say hi to Tats for me
 
2012-01-05 11:28:49 AM

Tatterdemalian: TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy", that would expose your anti-semitism and retardation on a grand scale. You only "wonder" and "ask questions".
You must think that makes you the most clever anti-semite sack of shiat around!

It's the same game plan they've used since the start of the Third Reich. "Protocols" never actually accused the Jews of being part of an international conspiacy, either. It only "wondered," "asked questions," and suggested that, if there WAS an international Zionist conspiracy, certain well-known historical events would have taken place exactly the way they did, so... "We're not saying it was the Elders of Zion, we're just presenting information and letting people decide (that it was the Elders of Zion)."



It would seem unlikely that the History of Political Zionism could possibly have been portrayed in the Protocols - whether accurately or inaccurately - as the Protocols were first published in 1903, and the vast majority of the history of the Conquest of Political Zionism didn't occur until AFTER that date.

So it would seem that you're either lying, or very confused, wouldn't it?


Funny thing about propaganda though... any ideas, no matter how wonderfully revolutionary, that are built entirely from words, can also be entirely destroyed with words. Even the words of a single child who won't stop yelling, "The Emperor got no clothes on!"

/or the words of a single determined Fark poster
//keep on rocking, Tatsuma



Translation: "If we keep lying often enough, it's bound to stick eventually, so KEEP LYING, TATS!"
 
2012-01-05 12:29:04 PM

Amos Quito: So, TappingTheVein, you claim that I said that the Holocaust was a "zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel", and then set about to PROVE your claim by citing a post in which I said nothing of the sort.

Pretty stupid, don't you think?

And here's the cool part - you actually admit (above) that your claim was bullshiat from the start:


TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy"


Hint: If you have to resort to LYING to prop up your positions, you may wish to reconsider whether your positions are worthy of defending.


You're Fapping In Vain as usual, TappingTheVein.


Like i said, you probably pat yourself on the back while typing this. Whoohoo! a technicality! i never explicitly said it only "wondered" and "asked questions" and used brilliant insinuations that make absolutely not a shred of doubt that i believe that the Holocaust is a zionist conspiracy!

But i never said "The Holocaust is a zionist Conspiracy" so there!

You're not only an anti-semite lying sack of shiat, you're an infantile anti-semite lying sack of shiat. So you got that going for you, which is nice.
 
2012-01-05 01:04:47 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: So, TappingTheVein, you claim that I said that the Holocaust was a "zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel", and then set about to PROVE your claim by citing a post in which I said nothing of the sort.

Pretty stupid, don't you think?

And here's the cool part - you actually admit (above) that your claim was bullshiat from the start:


TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy"


Hint: If you have to resort to LYING to prop up your positions, you may wish to reconsider whether your positions are worthy of defending.


You're Fapping In Vain as usual, TappingTheVein.

Like i said, you probably pat yourself on the back while typing this. Whoohoo! a technicality! i never explicitly said it only "wondered" and "asked questions" and used brilliant insinuations that make absolutely not a shred of doubt that i believe that the Holocaust is a zionist conspiracy!

But i never said "The Holocaust is a zionist Conspiracy" so there!

You're not only an anti-semite lying sack of shiat, you're an infantile anti-semite lying sack of shiat. So you got that going for you, which is nice.



LOL, TappingTheVein, you're a hoot! Is there no level below which you are willing to stoop in the hopes of demonizing me?

Of course you conveniently forget that my original observation was based on quotes from the writings of the famous Jewish historian Martin Gilbert who was discussing the positions and priorities of the sainted David Ben Gurion and his Zionist pals during WWII.

From the thread you linked to earlier (verbatim):


Here's another quote from Ben Gurion in Gilbert's article that reinforces the above:

QUOTE: (new window)

It was only in the early summer of 1944 that the Jewish Agency leaders in Jerusalem realized the full extent of the disaster. Ben-Gurion at once intervened directly with the British authorities in Palestine to try to save the Jews of Hungary, then being deported to Auschwitz, by urging the British to follow up the Gestapo offer of ''blood for goods.'' Here again, surprisingly, Mr. Teveth does not refer to Ben-Gurion's personal appeal to the British High Commissioner in Palestine for acceptance of the Nazi offer (on May 26, 1944). Instead, in a sentence dark with the potential for misuse, Mr. Teveth writes: ''Two facts can be definitively stated: Ben-Gurion did not put the rescue effort above Zionist politics, and he did not regard it as a principal task demanding his personal leadership; he never saw fit to explain why, then or later.'' It was not rescue, says Teveth, but the rallying of world Jewry and especially Palestinian Jewry to the creation of a Jewish state, to which Ben-Gurion ''devoted his efforts.'' Here we have an oversimplification of motive that may not be sustained by the evidence, for Mr. Teveth abandons at this point in his narrative the rigorous scrutiny of Ben-Gurion's day-to-day thoughts and activities that is so impressive a feature of this book in the period up to 1940.

END QUOTE

So according to Teveth (Ben Gurion's Jewish biographer), Ben Gurion was far more interested in seeing the Jewish State become a success than he was in seeing Jews saved from death in the Holocaust.



So you see, Putz, you are not attacking me, you are attacking Martin Gilbert (one of the most renown historians of the WWII era) and his description of the motives and agenda of Ben Gurion and the other Zionist leaders of the day.

The history of the conquest of Political Zionism is ugly. Apparently you can't deal with this reality, so you prefer to impugn my motives in citing the likes of Gilbert, as if that actually changes the facts of the matter.

Here is a simple question, TappingTheVein: Do you believe that the Zionist State of Israel could have effectively been founded as a viable political entity were it not for the massive influx of warm bodies that WWII and Holocaust conveniently provided? Could Israel have come into existence if all of those Jews had stayed in Europe?

If so, how?


/G-d works in mysterious ways
//Doesn't he?
 
2012-01-05 01:55:13 PM

Amos Quito: LOL, TappingTheVein, you're a hoot! Is there no level below which you are willing to stoop in the hopes of demonizing me?


Being an anti-semite conspiracy nut you're doing a fine job all by yourself.

Amos Quito: Of course you conveniently forget that my original observation was based on quotes from the writings of the famous Jewish historian Martin Gilbert who was discussing the positions and priorities of the sainted David Ben Gurion and his Zionist pals during WWII.

From the thread you linked to earlier (verbatim):


Here's another quote from Ben Gurion in Gilbert's article that reinforces the above:

QUOTE: (new window)


How do you skip the part where i showed your quotes and observations regarding Ben Gurion are nothing but out of context total bullshiat (search for "Gurion" in the link) ?

Amos Quito: o you see, Putz, you are not attacking me, you are attacking Martin Gilbert (one of the most renown historians of the WWII era) and his description of the motives and agenda of Ben Gurion and the other Zionist leaders of the day.


I discredited your conspiracy bullcrap by showing how it was taken out of context and edited to tie in with your anti-semitic fantasies. It is explained very very clearly in this thread.

Amos Quito: The history of the conquest of Political Zionism is ugly. Apparently you can't deal with this reality, so you prefer to impugn my motives in citing the likes of Gilbert, as if that actually changes the facts of the matter.


And you lie to yourself as well.

Amos Quito: Here is a simple question, TappingTheVein: Do you believe that the Zionist State of Israel could have effectively been founded as a viable political entity were it not for the massive influx of warm bodies that WWII and Holocaust conveniently provided? Could Israel have come into existence if all of those Jews had stayed in Europe?


I'll ignore the "political entity" bullshiat and yes since the organizations used to develop the land and emigration of jews predates the Holocaust by more than half a century.

Are you saying that the Holocaust was part of an elaborated nefarious jewish conspiracy to create the state of Israel ? Yes or No ?
 
2012-01-05 03:25:06 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: LOL, TappingTheVein, you're a hoot! Is there no level below which you are willing to stoop in the hopes of demonizing me?

Being an anti-semite conspiracy nut you're doing a fine job all by yourself.

Amos Quito: Of course you conveniently forget that my original observation was based on quotes from the writings of the famous Jewish historian Martin Gilbert who was discussing the positions and priorities of the sainted David Ben Gurion and his Zionist pals during WWII.

From the thread you linked to earlier (verbatim):


Here's another quote from Ben Gurion in Gilbert's article that reinforces the above:

QUOTE: (new window)

How do you skip the part where i showed your quotes and observations regarding Ben Gurion are nothing but out of context total bullshiat (search for "Gurion" in the link) ?



I assume you are referring to THIS POST in which you plagiarize the pathetic apologetic attempts of some third party. Unfortunately you fail hard even there, as the quote that the apologist you plagiarized made no reference to the material that I quoted Martin Gilbert as addressing, but referred to this infamous Ben Gurion quote: (new window)

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel." [David Ben Gurion, 1939]

But in your mind, if you've made one pathetic attempt at discrediting ONE quote, you've effectively discredited ALL quotes.

Is that how it works, TappingTheVein?

Again, you're not addressing Martin Gilbert's quotes and comments on Ben Gurion as cited above. Are you really that stupid, or simply a pathological liar?

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Here is a simple question, TappingTheVein: Do you believe that the Zionist State of Israel could have effectively been founded as a viable political entity were it not for the massive influx of warm bodies that WWII and Holocaust conveniently provided? Could Israel have come into existence if all of those Jews had stayed in Europe?

I'll ignore the "political entity" bullshiat and yes since the organizations used to develop the land and emigration of jews predates the Holocaust by more than half a century.



But they were lacking a CRITICAL ELEMENT in their scheme, TappingTheVein, a viable population of Jews in numbers sufficient to justify/maintain the creation of a Jewish State. Ben Gurion and his fellow Zionist leader KNEW that this was a MAJOR problem - and it had in fact been the PRIMARY problem with fulfilling the Zionist Dream since the real estate was first secured via the Balfour Declaration: Not enough Jews = no Israel - and THAT is why they went to such extremes in "encouraging" Jewish migration to Palestine - even going so far as to work hand in hand with Hitler. But even then the numbers were far too low to achieve the population necessary for the goal.

Fortunately for Ben Gurion and his buddies, the aftermath of the Holocaust provided the population they had sought for so long.

TappingTheVein: Are you saying that the Holocaust was part of an elaborated nefarious jewish conspiracy to create the state of Israel ? Yes or No ?



No.

I'm saying that G-d works in mysterious ways, TappingTheVein.

/Mysterious ways
 
2012-01-05 03:48:39 PM

Amos Quito: etc ...


farm2.staticflickr.com
 
2012-01-05 04:07:19 PM

Amos Quito: I assume you are referring to THIS POST in which you plagiarize the pathetic apologetic attempts of some third party


I pointed out and showed how you used out of context quotes and edited text for your anti-semitic fantasies. Very clearly so. So you're saying because i used another text to discredit your bullshiat it's a "plagiarize pathetic apologetic attempt". I'd say it's a very successful proof that you're an anti-semite nutjob.

Amos Quito: But in your mind, if you've made one pathetic attempt at discrediting ONE quote, you've effectively discredited ALL quotes.


I addressed Gilbert and your out of context misleading quotes in this thread. Or was it the one where you edited the text ? or a guess you were making trying to proof your anti-semitic fantasies to yourself ? be specific.

Amos Quito: Again, you're not addressing Martin Gilbert's quotes and comments on Ben Gurion as cited above


I did, very clearly so. Keep lying to yourself.

Amos Quito: But they were lacking a CRITICAL ELEMENT in their scheme, TappingTheVein, a viable population of Jews in numbers sufficient to justify/maintain the creation of a Jewish State. Ben Gurion and his fellow Zionist leader KNEW that this was a MAJOR problem - and it had in fact been the PRIMARY problem with fulfilling the Zionist Dream since the real estate was first secured via the Balfour Declaration: Not enough Jews = no Israel - and THAT is why they went to such extremes in "encouraging" Jewish migration to Palestine - even going so far as to work hand in hand with Hitler. But even then the numbers were far too low to achieve the population necessary for the goal.


Yes, their "scheme". The shift of jewish population emigration started at the turn of the 19th century, by the founding of Zionism, as a result of pogroms in Russia, the very large emigration of jews from many arab areas, all predating the Holocaust.
There were about 380,000 jews in Israel before the war in 1935 and around 543,000 in 1946. Yes the scheme worked perfectly!

Amos Quito: TappingTheVein: Are you saying that the Holocaust was part of an elaborated nefarious jewish conspiracy to create the state of Israel ? Yes or No ?


No.

I'm saying that G-d works in mysterious ways, TappingTheVein.


Ok i'll rephrase that. Are you insinuating that the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy with means to an end being the creation of Israel ? note that i have 3 quotes of you doing just that so lying at this point is you basically lying to yourself.
 
2012-01-06 11:32:13 AM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: TappingTheVein: Are you saying that the Holocaust was part of an elaborated nefarious jewish conspiracy to create the state of Israel ? Yes or No ?


No.

I'm saying that G-d works in mysterious ways, TappingTheVein.

Ok i'll rephrase that. Are you insinuating that the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy with means to an end being the creation of Israel ? note that i have 3 quotes of you doing just that so lying at this point is you basically lying to yourself.



Sorry about ignoring you, TappingTheVein. I got distracted.

So you now have THREE quotes of me not saying what you insist I must be saying?

Interesting logic you have there, TappingTheVein.
 
2012-01-06 11:52:28 AM

Amos Quito: Interesting logic you have there, TappingTheVein.


You know what's more interesting ? you not answering the question and ignoring, again, to acknowledge the fact that i refuted your anti-semitic bullshiat, again, and posted your "i just wonder" and "i'm only asking questions here" anti-semitic drivel, again.
 
2012-01-06 01:08:24 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Interesting logic you have there, TappingTheVein.

You know what's more interesting ? you not answering the question



What question?


TappingTheVein: and ignoring, again, to acknowledge the fact that i refuted your anti-semitic bullshiat, again, and posted your "i just wonder" and "i'm only asking questions here" anti-semitic drivel, again.



I don't mean to interrupt your daydreams, but what do you *think* you've "refuted", again?

Also, please define "anti-semitic" in your own words, as you apparently have a private interpretation.

What does this term mean to YOU, TappingTheVein?
 
2012-01-06 01:38:31 PM

Amos Quito: What question?


Are you insinuating that the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy with means to an end being the creation of Israel ?

Amos Quito: I shudder at the thought - but then I have to wonder, were it not for the horrors suffered by European Jews under the Nazis - literally driving these poor souls from their homes and into the Promised Land, would the Zionists have EVER been able to gather enough Jews in Palestine to form a viable Jewish State?
Frankly, I don't see how
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You already did (and repeated this bullshiat) i was just trying to make you lie to yourself again since you already provided the answer.

Amos Quito: I don't mean to interrupt your daydreams, but what do you *think* you've "refuted", again?


Your anti-semitic drivel. Again.
And you deny it, as usual, even when the text in right here in front of your eyes a couple of posts above. Now that is some powerful self-suggestion delusion.

Amos Quito: Also, please define "anti-semitic" in your own words, as you apparently have a private interpretation.

What does this term mean to YOU, TappingTheVein?


In this case, basically, an idiot claiming that the Holocaust was actually a zionist elaborate conspiracy to populate Israel. And thinking since he didn't say so explicitly, only insinuated, "hinted" and "only asking questions" that puts him in the clear about his anti-semitism.
 
2012-01-06 02:20:15 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: What question?

Are you insinuating that the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy with means to an end being the creation of Israel ?

Amos Quito: I shudder at the thought - but then I have to wonder, were it not for the horrors suffered by European Jews under the Nazis - literally driving these poor souls from their homes and into the Promised Land, would the Zionists have EVER been able to gather enough Jews in Palestine to form a viable Jewish State?
Frankly, I don't see how.

You already did (and repeated this bullshiat) i was just trying to make you lie to yourself again since you already provided the answer.

Amos Quito: I don't mean to interrupt your daydreams, but what do you *think* you've "refuted", again?

Your anti-semitic drivel. Again.
And you deny it, as usual, even when the text in right here in front of your eyes a couple of posts above. Now that is some powerful self-suggestion delusion.

Amos Quito: Also, please define "anti-semitic" in your own words, as you apparently have a private interpretation.

What does this term mean to YOU, TappingTheVein?

In this case, basically, an idiot claiming that the Holocaust was actually a zionist elaborate conspiracy to populate Israel. And thinking since he didn't say so explicitly, only insinuated, "hinted" and "only asking questions" that puts him in the clear about his anti-semitism.



The inferences you draw from my statements are the product of your paranoid delusions, TappingTheVein.

Allow me to use a parable in a (likely vain) effort to penetrate your incredibly thick DERP-BRAIN barrier:

Bob has an auto glass company in a small town. It isn't doing well. In fact, business is so lousy that he's teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Then suddenly a group of mischievous teenagers go on a rampage with pellet guns - shooting out the windows of parked cars all over the city. The damage is horrendous, hundreds of vehicles are damaged in a single night.

To the car owners and insurance companies this is nothing short of a disaster, but to Bob's Auto Glass, it's a miracle. Suddenly he has more business than he can handle. He pays off his debts, makes a handsome profit, and his family has a very merry Christmas.

Did Bob effectively benefit from the "reign of terror" unleashed by the mischievous adolescents? Undoubtedly.

Does the fact that he did benefit necessarily mean that the rampage was actually a "Conspiracy" concocted by Bob to save his failing auto glass company?

Yes or no, TappingTheVein.


/And you can quote me on that
 
2012-01-06 04:19:19 PM

Amos Quito: Bob has an auto glass company in a small town. It isn't doing well. In fact, business is so lousy that he's teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Then suddenly a group of mischievous teenagers go on a rampage with pellet guns - shooting out the windows of parked cars all over the city. The damage is horrendous, hundreds of vehicles are damaged in a single night.

To the car owners and insurance companies this is nothing short of a disaster, but to Bob's Auto Glass, it's a miracle. Suddenly he has more business than he can handle. He pays off his debts, makes a handsome profit, and his family has a very merry Christmas.

Did Bob effectively benefit from the "reign of terror" unleashed by the mischievous adolescents? Undoubtedly.

Does the fact that he did benefit necessarily mean that the rampage was actually a "Conspiracy" concocted by Bob to save his failing auto glass company?

Yes or no, TappingTheVein.


Your version of Bob's story is missing the key character, a stalker neighbor who disliked Bob's family immensely . His name was, let's pick one at random, ADung Beetle. Now Mr. Beetle read about the pellet guns rampage incident and sat in his room late at night thinking. Probably snorting some controlled substances.
The next morning he went to the police department and asked to meet with the officer investigating the incident.
"So," he said, "who do you think did it ?". "probably a gang of neighborhood kids, they did this sort of thing before years ago". "Don't you find it odd", said ADung, "that all of this happened near Bob's factory ? and he was the one who benefited a lot from this ? i'm not saying he did it *wink* *wink* i just find it very very odd that all of this carried out the way it did to benefit him, but i'm not saying he orchestrated this *nudge* *wink* but don't you *cough* find it strange *wink* *wink* almost as if some higher power made it all happen just for him *coughing spasm* ? *wink* ?
"Now see, Mr. Beetle", said the cop, "Bob's factory was getting back on its feet prior to this incident regardless and in fact the amount of business wasn't that great as you think. Sure it aided his business but not as much since a lot of the repairs were taken care of by insurance companies and not Bob".
 
2012-01-06 06:13:26 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Bob has an auto glass company in a small town. It isn't doing well. In fact, business is so lousy that he's teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Then suddenly a group of mischievous teenagers go on a rampage with pellet guns - shooting out the windows of parked cars all over the city. The damage is horrendous, hundreds of vehicles are damaged in a single night.

To the car owners and insurance companies this is nothing short of a disaster, but to Bob's Auto Glass, it's a miracle. Suddenly he has more business than he can handle. He pays off his debts, makes a handsome profit, and his family has a very merry Christmas.

Did Bob effectively benefit from the "reign of terror" unleashed by the mischievous adolescents? Undoubtedly.

Does the fact that he did benefit necessarily mean that the rampage was actually a "Conspiracy" concocted by Bob to save his failing auto glass company?

Yes or no, TappingTheVein.

Your version of Bob's story is missing the key character, a stalker neighbor who disliked Bob's family immensely . His name was, let's pick one at random, ADung Beetle. Now Mr. Beetle read about the pellet guns rampage incident and sat in his room late at night thinking. Probably snorting some controlled substances.
The next morning he went to the police department and asked to meet with the officer investigating the incident.
"So," he said, "who do you think did it ?". "probably a gang of neighborhood kids, they did this sort of thing before years ago". "Don't you find it odd", said ADung, "that all of this happened near Bob's factory ? and he was the one who benefited a lot from this ? i'm not saying he did it *wink* *wink* i just find it very very odd that all of this carried out the way it did to benefit him, but i'm not saying he orchestrated this *nudge* *wink* but don't you *cough* find it strange *wink* *wink* almost as if some higher power made it all happen just for him *coughing spasm* ? *wink* ?
"Now see, Mr. Beetle", said the cop, "Bob's ...



Of course when any decent investigator begins looking into such an incident, one of the first questions he asks is "who benefits"?

But in this case, you believe that the cop should just call Mr. Beetle an "anti-Glassite", notify the Glassad Assassination Team, and run him out of the office.

Right?
 
2012-01-06 06:22:38 PM

Amos Quito: Of course when any decent investigator begins looking into such an incident, one of the first questions he asks is "who benefits"?


Not when his investigation reveals the actual perpetrators based on evidence and Mr. Beetle is revealed to be an insane conspiracy nut.

Amos Quito: But in this case, you believe that the cop should just call Mr. Beetle an "anti-Glassite", notify the Glassad Assassination Team, and run him out of the office.

Right?


Mr. Beetle did a fine job exposing himself to be an 'anti-Glassite' by expressing his anti-Glassite opinions in what he thought was a masterfully subtle way. The cop merely kicked his anti-Glassite ass out of the station.
 
2012-01-06 06:42:30 PM
It's been fun and entertaining as usual, TappingTheVein.

Enjoy your weekend.
 
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