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(Some Guy)   Egypt: Yesterday, when we said we plan on respecting our 33 year old peace treaty with Israel, we didn't really mean it. We would rather go back to the days when the Israelis were beating us like a drum. Thank you sir May I have another?   (jta.org) divider line 260
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2012-01-03 04:49:09 PM

RoyBatty: TheShavingofOccam123: That post disappeared after I called him on it. Fark works that way.

Well all else being equal, that post is still there, how is it you think Tatsuma was able to disappear that post? Perhaps the Juden own Fark?


I think I followed Fark tradition and properly blamed my wife on the previous post. I didn't blame the Jews.
 
2012-01-03 05:01:03 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: RoyBatty: TheShavingofOccam123: That post disappeared after I called him on it. Fark works that way.

Well all else being equal, that post is still there, how is it you think Tatsuma was able to disappear that post? Perhaps the Juden own Fark?

I think I followed Fark tradition and properly blamed my wife on the previous post. I didn't blame the Jews.


Well, I think you've been blaming the Jews in this thread since your Boobies, so regarding your wife, I have to rebut with Fark tradition and say tits or it didn't happen.
 
2012-01-03 05:06:54 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.


Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.
 
2012-01-03 05:31:49 PM
One side can't accept that they can't win, and the other won't accept that war makes soldiers die. Both sides are made of crazy, and deserve the deaths they want for each other. I only wish both sides would find a less collaterally damaging way to kill each other.
 
2012-01-03 05:40:07 PM

Verzio: TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.

Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.


You know, one of the most interesting things I've learned about the Holocaust is how easy it would have been to prevent at the early stages, when Nazis were passing around copies of "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" and researching what they called their "denouncement program." Essentially, the Nazi scientists would make an accusation about some Jewish person in a particular neighborhood. Whether these accusations were true or false was of no concern, they were made and the reactions of the non-Jewish neighbors were what the Nazis carefully recorded. They even tested control "denouncements" for non-crimes ("He ate a donut! He served in the Kaiser's army in the Great War!"), and some simply absurd ones as well. The research, one of the first modern "focus testing" systems, was done with the single goal of finding out what activity each neighborhood considered the most heinous possible crime, so the SS could begin forging a chain of evidence that would convince the neighborhood that the Jew was guilty of the crime (including fake military papers for "serving in the Kaiser's army," if it turned out the neighborhood was really that horrified by it).

It worked spectacularly well for rounding up Jews that were otherwise considered near-saintly by their non-Jewish neighbors. Still works today, as all the "pro-Jew but anti-Zionist" moonbats demonstrate at every opportunity. While there may have been amusement value in accepting certain denouncements, like getting paid a pension by the Nazis for "serving in the Kaiser's army," the fact is the whole sad industrialized slaughter of millions of loyal German citizens could have been stopped if only the neighbors of the Jews being denounced just kept responding to the denouncements with "No, that accusation is freaking ridiculous, and I won't accept it without solid proof." The entire research system would have gone the same way as other failed lines of research like the Paranormal Research Division, and Hitler may not have been able to trick his citizens into slaughtering their neighbors as casually as they butchered pigs for sausage until the cracks started showing in his apparent military genius.

The point is, it's important to keep shouting down all the absurd accusations being thrown at Israel at every opportunity. It may only be a few voices shouting the truth, that Israel has literally tried everything short of committing suicide to make peace with the Palestinians and its neighboring countries, and trying the same things again only wearing funny hats this time isn't going to work. But it's important that those voices keep shouting the truth, because that simple action delays the plans of those who advocate the annihilation of Israel, and if those can be delayed long enough, eventually the lies will be exposed. Hopefully this time without the massacre of another six million Jews with the acquiescence and even blessings of those who promised to protect them.
 
2012-01-03 05:49:14 PM

ha-ha-guy: Egypt's armed with modern weapons (a lot of them American made, they have Abrams tanks for example) and has gotten a lot of training from the US Military. Such a war would not be a huge cakewalk for Israel.


Actually, Egypt is the one with Abrams tanks. Israel has it's own MBT, the Merkava.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-01-03 06:05:31 PM
I_C_Weener

grotto_man: Cairo alone has 4 times Israel's population, and unlike past opponents Egypt has the latest and greatest American weaponry. It's a very, very real threat - this.

So Cairo is what you might call a "target rich" environment?


You might call it that. I'd call it a major source of a very large army, and high tech fantasies to the contrary, boots on the ground count for quite a lot.

Also, Saddam Hussein had the largest army in the world once.

1) I never claimed that the size alone was the determining factor, but Egypt has tech he didn't
2) Much of his army had no stake in keeping Kuwait. Much of it actively hated him. An Egpytian Muslim army going after the hated Jews would be another matter.

I think Israel produces top level military technology. Egypt relies on U.S. cast-offs for its top level hardware.

Any sources for that? While this supports my argument that they do have good US hardware.

Also, Israel has this whole idea of "If you put out one of our eyes, we will take your whole farking head and probably that of your ten closest friends and relatives, and burn down your house".

Utter BS Israel bashing. Israel got attacked numerous times from Gaza before they went in. Israel does its best to minimize civilian casualties - even an article from HuPo on that - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/hamas-is-responsible-for_ b _155261.html , while Hamas, Hezbollah, etc commit actual war crimes by targeting civilians, and initiating hostilities for that matter.
 
2012-01-03 06:44:28 PM

Mildot: illegal.tender: Someone remind me why I'm supposed to give two shiats about Israel again, please. They seem to mostly be a huge pain in the ass.

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Israel does state-sponsored terrorism all the time and is nation almost practically founded on arbitrary taking of land and terrorism.
 
2012-01-03 07:11:51 PM

kingoomieiii: A people's right to self-determination (in this case re: leadership) is not in any way contingent on that decision's benefit to Americans or their allies.


Actually, yes, yes it is.
That's how the world is run.
The world might change, but it's been exactly that way for a long time.
 
2012-01-03 07:12:24 PM
The Egyptians do realize that the ONLY reason the US gives the Billion$ in aid every year is to buy their "friendship" with the Jewish State, right?

Guess what Egypt: Uncle Sam is cutting your allowance.


/Prolly just give the money to Israel
 
2012-01-03 07:17:27 PM

Tatterdemalian: Verzio: TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.

Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.

You know, one of the most interesting things I've learned about the Holocaust is how easy it would have been to prevent at the early stages, when Nazis were passing around copies of "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" and researching what they called their "denouncement program." Essentially, the Nazi scientists would make an accusation about some Jewish person in a particular neighborhood. Whether these accusations were true or false was of no concern, they were made and the reactions of the non-Jewish neighbors were what the Nazis carefully recorded. They even tested control "denouncements" for non-crimes ("He ate a donut! He served in the Kaiser's army in the Great War!"), and some simply absurd ones as well. The research, one of the first modern "focus testing" systems, was done with the single goal of finding out what activity each neighborhood considered the most heinous possible crime, so the SS could begin forging a chain of evidence that would convince the neighborhood that the Jew was guilty of the crime (including fake military papers for "serving in the Kaiser's army," if it turned out the neighborhood was really that horrified by it).

It worked spectacularly well for rounding up Jews that were otherwise considered near-saintly by their non-Jewish neighbors. Still works today, as all the "pro-Jew but anti-Zionist" moonbats demonstrate at every opportunity. While there ...


Why don't you just come out and call me anti-Semitic? Join the crowd. It would like you were making an outrageous denouncement of me.
 
2012-01-03 07:29:22 PM

Outlaw Thirds: ha-ha-guy: Egypt's armed with modern weapons (a lot of them American made, they have Abrams tanks for example) and has gotten a lot of training from the US Military. Such a war would not be a huge cakewalk for Israel.

Actually, Egypt is the one with Abrams tanks. Israel has it's own MBT, the Merkava.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]


Did you not read the post you quoted?
 
2012-01-03 07:32:14 PM

Verzio: TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.

Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.



Gee, it sounds like Israel sure has a lot of enemies.

It's almost enough to make you wonder whether carving a Zionist State for European Jews out of land populated and surrounded Arabs folks was such a good idea.


/Stupid Herzl
//What was he thinking?
///And why did they listen?
 
2012-01-03 07:50:37 PM

Mildot: Here's the plan, we're going to through you under the bus and fark the whole region for a generation or more.


U shur do type pritty. Ded you go to juneyour hi to git all that there buk learnin'?
 
2012-01-03 08:30:09 PM

Tatsuma: FormlessOne: One guy in Egypt = Egypt?

Obama Michele Bachmann = Just one guy in America.


A more appropriate analogy, as we're not talking about the leader of the country but a candidate being offered for the job by the most extreme political faction in that country.

Imagine if the rest of the world reacted to whatever Michele Bachmann, or David Duke, or Sarah Palin, or Ron Paul said as if it was the predominant and guiding statement of the United States.
 
2012-01-03 08:35:49 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

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I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.



2.bp.blogspot.com

It would appear that frepnog may be the droid you're looking for.

/They march single file
//To hide their numbers
 
2012-01-03 08:47:09 PM

Amos Quito: TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.


[2.bp.blogspot.com image 632x276]

It would appear that frepnog may be the droid you're looking for.

/They march single file
//To hide their numbers


Frepnog and others evidently.

Here let me give myself one of these...

www.inquisitr.com

I've actually tried to understand how a head of state could refer to his nation as "the ********-ish state" and claim to be the head of a liberal democracy. If he means "a state full of ***********s" that's one thing. But if he means "an eventual *********ish theocracy" then that's another thing.

I can't imagine a modern day POTUS standing up and saying we are a Christian nation. It would cause a shiatstorm.

So I won't bother to think about it anymore.
 
2012-01-03 09:03:59 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.


Why should I?
 
2012-01-03 09:05:39 PM

muck4doo: TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.

Why should I?


I knew it!!1!
 
2012-01-03 09:13:57 PM

Fissile: This crap about "invincible" Israel is crap. In 1973, the Israelis were getting the shiat kicked out of them. Moshe Dayan went into Golda Meir's office and told her it was almost all over, the IDF was on verge of collapse. At that point the Israelis loaded their nukes onto their US supplied planes and called Washington to tell them they were getting ready to nuke the Arabs. Washington called the Soviets and told them their Mideast butboyz were gonna get nuked and they, the Soviets, better stay out of it unless they wanted a global nuke war. The Soviets backed down. The US then cut a backroom deal with the Egyptians for billions in US aid. The Israelis got billions of new hardware airlifted to them 24/7 for weeks, including USAF pilots wearing IDF uniforms. And that's how the Israelis "won".

What did Nixon get for his troubles? The American Jewish lobby hounded him out of office.



2/10. But you were doing pretty well until the part where the IAF needed pilots from somewhere else to do their flying for them.
 
2012-01-03 09:21:56 PM

muck4doo: TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.

Why should I?



LOL!

Got my click on the "funny" tab!
 
2012-01-03 09:31:43 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I've actually tried to understand how a head of state could refer to his nation as "the ********-ish state" and claim to be the head of a liberal democracy



Well, Bibi tends to speak with Farked tongue. Just ask French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

TheShavingofOccam123: If he means "a state full of ***********s" that's one thing. But if he means "an eventual *********ish theocracy" then that's another thing.



Well, that WAS kind of the whole idea of Political Zionism from the get-go, wasn't it?

But you must understand that times have changed. Hell, back in Teddy Herzl's day racism, bigotry and ethnocentrism were pretty much accepted as facts of life. These days, racists and bigots are looked down upon and scorned like baby rapers.

/Except Israel, of course
//They're "special"
 
2012-01-03 09:33:38 PM

Amos Quito: "Gee, it sounds like Israel sure has a lot of enemies."


Gee, it looks like that gay kid sure has a lot of kids beating up on him. Must be something he did.


Amos Quito: "It's almost enough to make you wonder whether carving a Zionist State for European Jews out of land populated and surrounded Arabs folks was such a good idea."


You are at least peripherally aware that much of the "carved" land was purchased from willing sellers, often for much more than fair-market value...right?
 
2012-01-03 09:41:21 PM

Tatterdemalian: The point is, it's important to keep shouting down all the absurd accusations being thrown at Israel at every opportunity. It may only be a few voices shouting the truth, that Israel has literally tried everything short of committing suicide to make peace with the Palestinians and its neighboring countries, and trying the same things again only wearing funny hats this time isn't going to work. But it's important that those voices keep shouting the truth, because that simple action delays the plans of those who advocate the annihilation of Israel, and if those can be delayed long enough, eventually the lies will be exposed. Hopefully this time without the massacre of another six million Jews with the acquiescence and even blessings of those who promised to protect them.


This bears repeating.
It's not enough to simply let the liars shout their lies and hope that people will recognize them for what they are, they must be shouted down with the truth.
And this not only goes for a subject like Israel but for all those types of heinous lies of racism and bigotry.
It's a bummer, though, because life is hard enough as it is, without assholes actually making it harder.
 
2012-01-03 10:37:46 PM

spmkk: Amos Quito: "Gee, it sounds like Israel sure has a lot of enemies."

Gee, it looks like that gay kid sure has a lot of kids beating up on him. Must be something he did.



Israelis are GAY???

No wonder the Palestinians are outbreeding them.


spmkk: Amos Quito: "It's almost enough to make you wonder whether carving a Zionist State for European Jews out of land populated and surrounded Arabs folks was such a good idea."

You are at least peripherally aware that much of the "carved" land was purchased from willing sellers, often for much more than fair-market value...right?



I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel.

Why do you ask?
 
2012-01-04 04:51:58 AM

Amos Quito: I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel.

Why do you ask?


Any of this has anything to do with your thesis about the Holocaust being a zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel ?
 
2012-01-04 10:01:25 AM

Amos Quito: I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel the propaganda techniques used in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

Why do you ask?


Just to confirm your anti-Semitism, in a way that will make you stand up tall and proud and think you're really impressing your audience without realizing you might as well just be shrieking "SIEG HEIL" at the top of your voice.

/the book remains popular because the propaganda techniques it uses still work
//the only defense is constant vigilance
 
2012-01-04 02:27:46 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: TheShavingofOccam123: Tatsuma: Farkin'round: Summon Tatsuma:

[i192.photobucket.com image 225x314]

I'm here, I've been arguing with hotwingconspiracy and cameron and other people, what are you talking about?

So, what alts are you violating Fark posting rules with?

Come on, Tatsuma. It's okay. So you got caught violating Fark posting rules about alts. Just let me know which alts are yours, please.


I think this Tats has many alts theory is pretty weird - I've never seen one guy get so many accusations from other farkers.
 
2012-01-04 02:32:13 PM

TheShavingofOccam123:
I've actually tried to understand how a head of state could refer to his nation as "the ********-ish state" and claim to be the head of a liberal democracy. If he means "a state full of ***********s" that's one thing. But if he means "an eventual *********ish theocracy" then that's another thing.


Do you mean like England claiming it is a democracy, even though there is an official Church of England?
 
2012-01-04 02:35:20 PM

Porous Horace: This bears repeating.
It's not enough to simply let the liars shout their lies and hope that people will recognize them for what they are, they must be shouted down with the truth.
And this not only goes for a subject like Israel but for all those types of heinous lies of racism and bigotry.
It's a bummer, though, because life is hard enough as it is, without assholes actually making it harder.



Honestly, is there any way to clean up fark? It is mostly a good community with a couple of truly racist a-holes thread shaiting again and again.
 
2012-01-04 04:14:14 PM

smileynyc: Honestly, is there any way to clean up fark? It is mostly a good community with a couple of truly racist a-holes thread shaiting again and again.


There are times when I prefer the bigots expose themselves. I'd rather see the cockroaches then have them hide in the shadows.

I've taken though, when I see some pretty nasty examples, to "favorite" those users as "bigotry - said blah - thread: 6856913" and then shade them gray.

I think this is better than placing them on ignore, and it helps me find their original bigoted remarks, and know that maybe some folks need more of a rebuttal than others.
 
2012-01-04 08:33:30 PM
Tatterdemalian: Verzio: TheShavingofOccam123: Israel should have kept trading land for peace.

Oh, yeah, that's worked out so well. Israel leaves southern Lebanon, Hezbollah uses southern Lebanon to drop rockets on Israel. Israel leaves Gaza, Hamas uses Gaza to drop rockets on Israel. Israel hands over chunks of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority, the PA launches the Second Intifada. Israel explicitly trades the Sinai to Egypt for a peace treaty, and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to tear up the treaty. Obviously the problem is that Israel hasn't been giving up enough land for peace.

You know, one of the most interesting things I've learned about the Holocaust is how easy it would have been to prevent at the early stages, when Nazis were passing around copies of "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" and researching what they called their "denouncement program." Essentially, the Nazi scientists would make an accusation about some Jewish person in a particular neighborhood. Whether these accusations were true or false was of no concern, they were made and the reactions of the non-Jewish neighbors were what the Nazis carefully recorded. They even tested control "denouncements" for non-crimes ("He ate a donut! He served in the Kaiser's army in the Great War!"), and some simply absurd ones as well. The research, one of the first modern "focus testing" systems, was done with the single goal of finding out what activity each neighborhood considered the most heinous possible crime, so the SS could begin forging a chain of evidence that would convince the neighborhood that the Jew was guilty of the crime (including fake military papers for "serving in the Kaiser's army," if it turned out the neighborhood was really that horrified by it).

It worked spectacularly well for rounding up Jews that were otherwise considered near-saintly by their non-Jewish neighbors. Still works today, as all the "pro-Jew but anti-Zionist" moonbats demonstrate at every opportunity. While there ...




a big Bold THIS
 
2012-01-04 08:43:59 PM
If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...
 
2012-01-04 10:09:19 PM

Tatterdemalian: Amos Quito: I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel the propaganda techniques used in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".

Why do you ask?



LOL!

I'm talking about the history of Zionism - the documented textbook history - both prior to and following the publication of "The Protocols", which are irrelevant in any case, as they made their first appearance in 1903, and Herzl died in 1904, having already done much of the preliminary work in building support for the concept of a Zionist State in Palestine.

Tatterdemalian: Just to confirm your anti-Semitism, in a way that will make you stand up tall and proud and think you're really impressing your audience without realizing you might as well just be shrieking "SIEG HEIL" at the top of your voice.



What is this anti-Semitism? It almost sounds like you're describing the antithesis of Semitism, doesn't it?

Your retort is hollow. You address none of the issues, seeking instead to wrap yourself in a cloak of sympathy by invoking buzz-words and ad hominem attacks.


Tatterdemalian: /the book remains popular because the propaganda techniques it uses still work
//the only defense is constant vigilance



You sound paranoid.
 
2012-01-04 10:14:25 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: I have some familiarity with the land purchases - also with the political skulduggery, back-room deals with everyone from the British and Americans to the Hitler himself, with the backstabbing, with the murderous terrorism, the ethnic cleansing, the "miracle of population", the bristling, the aggression, the oppression and relentless expansionism...

Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the birth of Israel.

Why do you ask?

Any of this has anything to do with your thesis about the Holocaust being a zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel ?



Of course I Never said that.

But in retrospect, the Jews did go to Israel, didn't they?

Would the Zionists have been able to fulfill their dream of a Zionist state without the population of European Jews that the Holocaust supplied? it is doubtful.

If life hands you lemons, make lemonade. Right?
 
2012-01-04 10:50:56 PM

Maul555: If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...



I agree.

We've given the Israelis far too many arms. Totally upset the balance of power in the region.
 
2012-01-04 11:02:53 PM

Amos Quito: Maul555: If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...


I agree.

We've given the Israelis far too many arms. Totally upset the balance of power in the region.


LOL!
Is this how you get your jollies, with your antagonistic remarks and anti-Jewish sentiments, you loathsome piece of shyt.
 
2012-01-04 11:52:55 PM

Porous Horace: Amos Quito: Maul555: If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...


I agree.

We've given the Israelis far too many arms. Totally upset the balance of power in the region.




Porous Horace: LOL!
Is this how you get your jollies, with your antagonistic remarks and anti-Jewish sentiments, you loathsome piece of shyt.



Please don't kill me, Porous Horace!

Too many people know.

Call off the Mossad hit, SRSLY.

Oh please don't kill me, Porous Horace!
 
2012-01-05 01:44:22 AM

smileynyc: I think this Tats has many alts theory is pretty weird - I've never seen one guy get so many accusations from other farkers.


It's especially funny since I don't have any, nor ever used any. I just decided to roll with it, and I expect that by 2014, most people on Fark will think I'm 70% of the posters.

See, it's much easier to silence a viewpoint that you don't agree with by pretending that kind of stuff rather, than, you know, attack the actual points I'm making.
 
2012-01-05 02:25:04 AM

Amos Quito: Porous Horace: Amos Quito: Maul555: If Egypt dares to attack Israel, with or without any help, I believe it to be my countries (USA) responsibility to actively go in and wipe out every single jet fighter and tank that we can find of American origin. It was a mistake to trust them with that stuff...


I agree.

We've given the Israelis far too many arms. Totally upset the balance of power in the region.



Porous Horace: LOL!
Is this how you get your jollies, with your antagonistic remarks and anti-Jewish sentiments, you loathsome piece of shyt.


Please don't kill me, Porous Horace!

Too many people know.

Call off the Mossad hit, SRSLY.

Oh please don't kill me, Porous Horace!



Don't be ridiculous.
The only person liable to take your life is yourself, possible after having a good look in the mirror.
If I said you were on a list it wouldn't be a "hit" list. Things don't work that way.
 
2012-01-05 03:54:12 AM

Amos Quito: Of course I Never said that.


You're like clockwork. "But i never said that". Yes you did.

Amos Quito: I shudder at the thought - but then I have to wonder, were it not for the horrors suffered by European Jews under the Nazis - literally driving these poor souls from their homes and into the Promised Land, would the Zionists have EVER been able to gather enough Jews in Palestine to form a viable Jewish State?

Frankly, I don't see how
.

The Glen Beckian way! i'm only asking questions.. it goes south from there.

Amos Quito: But in retrospect, the Jews did go to Israel, didn't they?

Would the Zionists have been able to fulfill their dream of a Zionist state without the population of European Jews that the Holocaust supplied? it is doubtful.

If life hands you lemons, make lemonade. Right?


See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy", that would expose your anti-semitism and retardation on a grand scale. You only "wonder" and "ask questions".
You must think that makes you the most clever anti-semite sack of shiat around!
 
2012-01-05 06:05:02 AM

TappingTheVein: The Glen Beckian way!


To compare Glenn Beck to Amos Quito is a very very serious insult to Glenn Beck.
 
2012-01-05 10:41:18 AM

TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy", that would expose your anti-semitism and retardation on a grand scale. You only "wonder" and "ask questions".
You must think that makes you the most clever anti-semite sack of shiat around!


It's the same game plan they've used since the start of the Third Reich. "Protocols" never actually accused the Jews of being part of an international conspiacy, either. It only "wondered," "asked questions," and suggested that, if there WAS an international Zionist conspiracy, certain well-known historical events would have taken place exactly the way they did, so... "We're not saying it was the Elders of Zion, we're just presenting information and letting people decide (that it was the Elders of Zion)."

Funny thing about propaganda though... any ideas, no matter how wonderfully revolutionary, that are built entirely from words, can also be entirely destroyed with words. Even the words of a single child who won't stop yelling, "The Emperor got no clothes on!"

/or the words of a single determined Fark poster
//keep on rocking, Tatsuma
 
2012-01-05 10:55:17 AM
Restoring context:.

TappingTheVein: Any of this has anything to do with your thesis about the Holocaust being a zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel ?


Amos Quito: Of course I Never said that.


TappingTheVein: You're like clockwork. "But i never said that". Yes you did.

Amos Quito: I shudder at the thought - but then I have to wonder, were it not for the horrors suffered by European Jews under the Nazis - literally driving these poor souls from their homes and into the Promised Land, would the Zionists have EVER been able to gather enough Jews in Palestine to form a viable Jewish State?



So, TappingTheVein, you claim that I said that the Holocaust was a "zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel", and then set about to PROVE your claim by citing a post in which I said nothing of the sort.

Pretty stupid, don't you think?

And here's the cool part - you actually admit (above) that your claim was bullshiat from the start:


TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy"



Hint: If you have to resort to LYING to prop up your positions, you may wish to reconsider whether your positions are worthy of defending.


You're Fapping In Vain as usual, TappingTheVein.


/Say hi to Tats for me
 
2012-01-05 11:28:49 AM

Tatterdemalian: TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy", that would expose your anti-semitism and retardation on a grand scale. You only "wonder" and "ask questions".
You must think that makes you the most clever anti-semite sack of shiat around!

It's the same game plan they've used since the start of the Third Reich. "Protocols" never actually accused the Jews of being part of an international conspiacy, either. It only "wondered," "asked questions," and suggested that, if there WAS an international Zionist conspiracy, certain well-known historical events would have taken place exactly the way they did, so... "We're not saying it was the Elders of Zion, we're just presenting information and letting people decide (that it was the Elders of Zion)."



It would seem unlikely that the History of Political Zionism could possibly have been portrayed in the Protocols - whether accurately or inaccurately - as the Protocols were first published in 1903, and the vast majority of the history of the Conquest of Political Zionism didn't occur until AFTER that date.

So it would seem that you're either lying, or very confused, wouldn't it?


Funny thing about propaganda though... any ideas, no matter how wonderfully revolutionary, that are built entirely from words, can also be entirely destroyed with words. Even the words of a single child who won't stop yelling, "The Emperor got no clothes on!"

/or the words of a single determined Fark poster
//keep on rocking, Tatsuma



Translation: "If we keep lying often enough, it's bound to stick eventually, so KEEP LYING, TATS!"
 
2012-01-05 12:29:04 PM

Amos Quito: So, TappingTheVein, you claim that I said that the Holocaust was a "zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel", and then set about to PROVE your claim by citing a post in which I said nothing of the sort.

Pretty stupid, don't you think?

And here's the cool part - you actually admit (above) that your claim was bullshiat from the start:


TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy"


Hint: If you have to resort to LYING to prop up your positions, you may wish to reconsider whether your positions are worthy of defending.


You're Fapping In Vain as usual, TappingTheVein.


Like i said, you probably pat yourself on the back while typing this. Whoohoo! a technicality! i never explicitly said it only "wondered" and "asked questions" and used brilliant insinuations that make absolutely not a shred of doubt that i believe that the Holocaust is a zionist conspiracy!

But i never said "The Holocaust is a zionist Conspiracy" so there!

You're not only an anti-semite lying sack of shiat, you're an infantile anti-semite lying sack of shiat. So you got that going for you, which is nice.
 
2012-01-05 01:04:47 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: So, TappingTheVein, you claim that I said that the Holocaust was a "zionist conspiracy to bring in jews to Israel", and then set about to PROVE your claim by citing a post in which I said nothing of the sort.

Pretty stupid, don't you think?

And here's the cool part - you actually admit (above) that your claim was bullshiat from the start:


TappingTheVein: See you never explicitly said "the Holocaust was a zionist conspiracy"


Hint: If you have to resort to LYING to prop up your positions, you may wish to reconsider whether your positions are worthy of defending.


You're Fapping In Vain as usual, TappingTheVein.

Like i said, you probably pat yourself on the back while typing this. Whoohoo! a technicality! i never explicitly said it only "wondered" and "asked questions" and used brilliant insinuations that make absolutely not a shred of doubt that i believe that the Holocaust is a zionist conspiracy!

But i never said "The Holocaust is a zionist Conspiracy" so there!

You're not only an anti-semite lying sack of shiat, you're an infantile anti-semite lying sack of shiat. So you got that going for you, which is nice.



LOL, TappingTheVein, you're a hoot! Is there no level below which you are willing to stoop in the hopes of demonizing me?

Of course you conveniently forget that my original observation was based on quotes from the writings of the famous Jewish historian Martin Gilbert who was discussing the positions and priorities of the sainted David Ben Gurion and his Zionist pals during WWII.

From the thread you linked to earlier (verbatim):


Here's another quote from Ben Gurion in Gilbert's article that reinforces the above:

QUOTE: (new window)

It was only in the early summer of 1944 that the Jewish Agency leaders in Jerusalem realized the full extent of the disaster. Ben-Gurion at once intervened directly with the British authorities in Palestine to try to save the Jews of Hungary, then being deported to Auschwitz, by urging the British to follow up the Gestapo offer of ''blood for goods.'' Here again, surprisingly, Mr. Teveth does not refer to Ben-Gurion's personal appeal to the British High Commissioner in Palestine for acceptance of the Nazi offer (on May 26, 1944). Instead, in a sentence dark with the potential for misuse, Mr. Teveth writes: ''Two facts can be definitively stated: Ben-Gurion did not put the rescue effort above Zionist politics, and he did not regard it as a principal task demanding his personal leadership; he never saw fit to explain why, then or later.'' It was not rescue, says Teveth, but the rallying of world Jewry and especially Palestinian Jewry to the creation of a Jewish state, to which Ben-Gurion ''devoted his efforts.'' Here we have an oversimplification of motive that may not be sustained by the evidence, for Mr. Teveth abandons at this point in his narrative the rigorous scrutiny of Ben-Gurion's day-to-day thoughts and activities that is so impressive a feature of this book in the period up to 1940.

END QUOTE

So according to Teveth (Ben Gurion's Jewish biographer), Ben Gurion was far more interested in seeing the Jewish State become a success than he was in seeing Jews saved from death in the Holocaust.



So you see, Putz, you are not attacking me, you are attacking Martin Gilbert (one of the most renown historians of the WWII era) and his description of the motives and agenda of Ben Gurion and the other Zionist leaders of the day.

The history of the conquest of Political Zionism is ugly. Apparently you can't deal with this reality, so you prefer to impugn my motives in citing the likes of Gilbert, as if that actually changes the facts of the matter.

Here is a simple question, TappingTheVein: Do you believe that the Zionist State of Israel could have effectively been founded as a viable political entity were it not for the massive influx of warm bodies that WWII and Holocaust conveniently provided? Could Israel have come into existence if all of those Jews had stayed in Europe?

If so, how?


/G-d works in mysterious ways
//Doesn't he?
 
2012-01-05 01:55:13 PM

Amos Quito: LOL, TappingTheVein, you're a hoot! Is there no level below which you are willing to stoop in the hopes of demonizing me?


Being an anti-semite conspiracy nut you're doing a fine job all by yourself.

Amos Quito: Of course you conveniently forget that my original observation was based on quotes from the writings of the famous Jewish historian Martin Gilbert who was discussing the positions and priorities of the sainted David Ben Gurion and his Zionist pals during WWII.

From the thread you linked to earlier (verbatim):


Here's another quote from Ben Gurion in Gilbert's article that reinforces the above:

QUOTE: (new window)


How do you skip the part where i showed your quotes and observations regarding Ben Gurion are nothing but out of context total bullshiat (search for "Gurion" in the link) ?

Amos Quito: o you see, Putz, you are not attacking me, you are attacking Martin Gilbert (one of the most renown historians of the WWII era) and his description of the motives and agenda of Ben Gurion and the other Zionist leaders of the day.


I discredited your conspiracy bullcrap by showing how it was taken out of context and edited to tie in with your anti-semitic fantasies. It is explained very very clearly in this thread.

Amos Quito: The history of the conquest of Political Zionism is ugly. Apparently you can't deal with this reality, so you prefer to impugn my motives in citing the likes of Gilbert, as if that actually changes the facts of the matter.


And you lie to yourself as well.

Amos Quito: Here is a simple question, TappingTheVein: Do you believe that the Zionist State of Israel could have effectively been founded as a viable political entity were it not for the massive influx of warm bodies that WWII and Holocaust conveniently provided? Could Israel have come into existence if all of those Jews had stayed in Europe?


I'll ignore the "political entity" bullshiat and yes since the organizations used to develop the land and emigration of jews predates the Holocaust by more than half a century.

Are you saying that the Holocaust was part of an elaborated nefarious jewish conspiracy to create the state of Israel ? Yes or No ?
 
2012-01-05 03:25:06 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: LOL, TappingTheVein, you're a hoot! Is there no level below which you are willing to stoop in the hopes of demonizing me?

Being an anti-semite conspiracy nut you're doing a fine job all by yourself.

Amos Quito: Of course you conveniently forget that my original observation was based on quotes from the writings of the famous Jewish historian Martin Gilbert who was discussing the positions and priorities of the sainted David Ben Gurion and his Zionist pals during WWII.

From the thread you linked to earlier (verbatim):


Here's another quote from Ben Gurion in Gilbert's article that reinforces the above:

QUOTE: (new window)

How do you skip the part where i showed your quotes and observations regarding Ben Gurion are nothing but out of context total bullshiat (search for "Gurion" in the link) ?



I assume you are referring to THIS POST in which you plagiarize the pathetic apologetic attempts of some third party. Unfortunately you fail hard even there, as the quote that the apologist you plagiarized made no reference to the material that I quoted Martin Gilbert as addressing, but referred to this infamous Ben Gurion quote: (new window)

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel." [David Ben Gurion, 1939]

But in your mind, if you've made one pathetic attempt at discrediting ONE quote, you've effectively discredited ALL quotes.

Is that how it works, TappingTheVein?

Again, you're not addressing Martin Gilbert's quotes and comments on Ben Gurion as cited above. Are you really that stupid, or simply a pathological liar?

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Here is a simple question, TappingTheVein: Do you believe that the Zionist State of Israel could have effectively been founded as a viable political entity were it not for the massive influx of warm bodies that WWII and Holocaust conveniently provided? Could Israel have come into existence if all of those Jews had stayed in Europe?

I'll ignore the "political entity" bullshiat and yes since the organizations used to develop the land and emigration of jews predates the Holocaust by more than half a century.



But they were lacking a CRITICAL ELEMENT in their scheme, TappingTheVein, a viable population of Jews in numbers sufficient to justify/maintain the creation of a Jewish State. Ben Gurion and his fellow Zionist leader KNEW that this was a MAJOR problem - and it had in fact been the PRIMARY problem with fulfilling the Zionist Dream since the real estate was first secured via the Balfour Declaration: Not enough Jews = no Israel - and THAT is why they went to such extremes in "encouraging" Jewish migration to Palestine - even going so far as to work hand in hand with Hitler. But even then the numbers were far too low to achieve the population necessary for the goal.

Fortunately for Ben Gurion and his buddies, the aftermath of the Holocaust provided the population they had sought for so long.

TappingTheVein: Are you saying that the Holocaust was part of an elaborated nefarious jewish conspiracy to create the state of Israel ? Yes or No ?



No.

I'm saying that G-d works in mysterious ways, TappingTheVein.

/Mysterious ways
 
2012-01-05 03:48:39 PM

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