The worst display of defense ever in a game featuring the number 4 and 5 teams.

That poor Stanford kicker is going to be awfully lonely for a long time. Those kicks weren't exactly chip shots, but certainly they were very manageable. I'll give him a slight pass on the OT kick as the hold wasn't clean, but there shouldn't have been a need for OT if he made the first one.

That was some fine "settling for a long field goal attempt" at the end of the 4th when they had all their timeouts and a first and ten inside the 25 with almost a minute left. For being the smart kids, they lost that game by going full stupid.

Fun game with the added bonus of proving that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country.

what I learned today: only the big ten has confident kickers

Congrats to OK State for getting it's first BCS win. Would've been nice to see them play LSU instead of Bama, I mean, the purple and gold would've trounced the crap out of the cowlickers, but it would've been a better game.

9beers: proving that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country

hahahahahahaha no

jeffrey626: what I learned today: only the big ten has confident kickers

Yeah, there was a lot of bad kicking today.

WhyteRaven74: 9beers: proving that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country

hahahahahahaha no

I have to disagree with you here. From what I saw from both of those defenses either LSU or Bama would have run all over them. I also seriously doubt either offense would have gotten anything going against LSU or Bama's D.

ongbok: WhyteRaven74: 9beers: proving that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country

hahahahahahaha no

I have to disagree with you here. From what I saw from both of those defenses either LSU or Bama would have run all over them. I also seriously doubt either offense would have gotten anything going against LSU or Bama's D.

Well, we'll never know, will we?

Mart Laar's beard shaver: ongbok: WhyteRaven74: 9beers: proving that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country

hahahahahahaha no

I have to disagree with you here. From what I saw from both of those defenses either LSU or Bama would have run all over them. I also seriously doubt either offense would have gotten anything going against LSU or Bama's D.

Well, we'll never know, will we?

And their is a reason why. Because OKST couldn't take care of business and beat an unranked team.

Mart Laar's beard shaver: ongbok: WhyteRaven74: 9beers: proving that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country

hahahahahahaha no

I have to disagree with you here. From what I saw from both of those defenses either LSU or Bama would have run all over them. I also seriously doubt either offense would have gotten anything going against LSU or Bama's D.

Well, we'll never know, will we?

And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB. Every year we're left with a debate on who was actually the best team. There's a reason it's called the "Mythical" National Championship. There are people still debating championships from decades ago. Not to mention split championships. What a mess.

Stanford kicker epically choked. I was stunned when he missed that one at the end of regulation. Seemed like such a routine move that you see all the time in football. Run down the clock, line it up, kick a chipshot FG to win it with time expiring. Except the kicker had other plans. Then he goes full Boise State by compounding it in overtime. Still a good game though.

ongbok: From what I saw from both of those defenses either LSU or Bama would have run all over them

I didn't realize Stanford's defensive weakness was their rushing offense in this game.

Freak: And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB.

Only Division I-A. Divisions I-AA, II and III all have a play off. They have actual national champions.

Dammit, had 100 bucks on Oklahoma State by 4. I stil can't believe they didn't just try to smash it in from a 1/2 yard away. Academically speaking, it seems like that would have been a much safer play than a FG attempt.

Freak: Stanford kicker epically choked. I was stunned when he missed that one at the end of regulation. Seemed like such a routine move that you see all the time in football. Run down the clock, line it up, kick a chipshot FG to win it with time expiring. Except the kicker had other plans. Then he goes full Boise State by compounding it in overtime. Still a good game though.

To be fair, neither kick was what you would call a chip shot. A 35 yarder certainly should be makeable by any DI kicker but we are not talking extra point distance. A 43 yarder with a botched hold is understandably missed. Ultimately the 2nd kick doesn't matter much as OKST would have in all likelihood been able to punch it in from the half yard line.

OSU got their trophy, which they wouldn't have gotten if they had gone to the national championship... poor Stanford tho, so gassed before the end of regulation, Alabama would've run all day on that defense and Stanford's running game would've been even less non-existent, no trophy-for-you

What a terrible, horrible, complete travesty of a game to watch. I mean, did you see that middle linebacker from OKState not cover the correct zone in the 4-3 all night? And what the heck was that Stanford corner doing in the press nickle, when the situation clearly called for the bump and run? Ruined my ability to enjoy this otherwise exciting and hard fought college football game.

WhyteRaven74: Freak: And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB.

Only Division I-A. Divisions I-AA, II and III all have a play off. They have actual national champions.

No one outside the cities where said non- Div. I-A teams play and/or the parents of a kid on said teams think that it counts as actual college football. They're really more like a glorified intermural league, rather like the Sun Belt Conference or the Big East...

Freak: Mart Laar's beard shaver: ongbok: WhyteRaven74: 9beers: proving that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country

hahahahahahaha no

I have to disagree with you here. From what I saw from both of those defenses either LSU or Bama would have run all over them. I also seriously doubt either offense would have gotten anything going against LSU or Bama's D.

Well, we'll never know, will we?

And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB. Every year we're left with a debate on who was actually the best team. There's a reason it's called the "Mythical" National Championship. There are people still debating championships from decades ago. Not to mention split championships. What a mess.

jayhawk88: Ruined my ability to enjoy this otherwise exciting and hard fought college football game.

I'll bet you're a laugh a minute to be around.

Just give the championship to the SEC, that's the whole idea anyway.
They've got the money and the influence, the rest is just window dressing.
Why play for a championship, consensus is good and oh so controllable.

182: ongbok: Mart Laar's beard shaver: ongbok: WhyteRaven74: 9beers: proving that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country

hahahahahahaha no

I have to disagree with you here. From what I saw from both of those defenses either LSU or Bama would have run all over them. I also seriously doubt either offense would have gotten anything going against LSU or Bama's D.

Well, we'll never know, will we?

And their is a reason why. Because OKST couldn't take care of business and beat an unranked team.

....troll has been taken to the hole.

Bizarrely and in spite of being an apparent representative of both Oklahoma Natural Gas and Bank of Oklahoma, ongbok is correct.

Whether the Pokes were truly rattled by the deaths yet another group of people related to OSU athletics just before that game or they just forgot how to play football, their loss to Iowa State kept them out of the big playoff. Ain't no trolling there.

Freak: And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB. Every year we're left with a debate on who was actually the best team

What's the NFL's excuse? Better teams are eliminated in the playoffs by lesser teams having a good day, every year.

WhyteRaven74: Freak: And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB.

Only Division I-A. Divisions I-AA, II and III all have a play off. They have actual national champions.

Don't bring up those football factories that care nothing about the student athlete and tradition. If the FBS went to a playoff it would make the regular season meaningless. The bowl system insures that every game matters, better not lose heads up to a conference foe or your screwed.

s2s2s2: Freak: And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB. Every year we're left with a debate on who was actually the best team

What's the NFL's excuse? Better teams are eliminated in the playoffs by lesser teams having a good day, every year.

ffs, it's not about the best team winning, it's about everyone having a shot to win and letting the chips fall where they may. It's exactly the reason every year the person who trolls for the March Madness format to change is renditioned and found in the Everglades six days later with their fingernails and head removed.

If you are just going to be butthurt until there is a championship then why in hell would you watch bowl games? Unless you like butthurt and want "reasons" to moan. Then by all means carry on. Your life plan is working splendidly.

PunchDrunkPanda: fingernails and head removed

Well that's a real head scratcher.

mikaloyd: Unless you like butthurt and want "reasons" to moan.



Heh heh heh heh.

Daedalus27: Freak: Stanford kicker epically choked. I was stunned when he missed that one at the end of regulation. Seemed like such a routine move that you see all the time in football. Run down the clock, line it up, kick a chipshot FG to win it with time expiring. Except the kicker had other plans. Then he goes full Boise State by compounding it in overtime. Still a good game though.

To be fair, neither kick was what you would call a chip shot. A 35 yarder certainly should be makeable by any DI kicker but we are not talking extra point distance. A 43 yarder with a botched hold is understandably missed. Ultimately the 2nd kick doesn't matter much as OKST would have in all likelihood been able to punch it in from the half yard line.

The Stanford coach should be fired for that blunder...

No. 1 QB in the country marching down the field with plenty of time left and you kill it for a 34 yard FG attempt by a freshman who just missed one 6 yards longer?

This is college, not the pros. Kickers are shaky at best.

Sam Houston State vs. North Dakota State this Saturday. Should be a good one.

/playoffs damnit
//or some other fair system where everyone has a shot

Cheesus: Sam Houston State vs. North Dakota State this Saturday. Should be a good one.

/playoffs damnit
//or some other fair system where everyone has a shot

Everyone should have a fair shot at dating Natalie Portman too. I think she has an obligation to meet face to face with every single guy in the country and tell them yes or no. It is the only fair way.

karmaceutical: Cheesus: Sam Houston State vs. North Dakota State this Saturday. Should be a good one.

/playoffs damnit
//or some other fair system where everyone has a shot

Everyone should have a fair shot at dating Natalie Portman too. I think she has an obligation to meet face to face with every single guy in the country and tell them yes or no. It is the only fair way.

I bet you can count to potato.

s2s2s2: Freak: And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB. Every year we're left with a debate on who was actually the best team

What's the NFL's excuse? Better teams are eliminated in the playoffs by lesser teams having a good day, every year.

I know, and it's not just the NFL: people are still upset about Georgetown losing to Villanova in 1985, and everyone wishes we could somehow just go back and award the trophy to what was clearly the best team in the country that year. Instead we're all forced to sit back and accept what the playoffs/tournaments tell us. In college football this year it's clear that LSU and Alabama are the 2 best teams and it would be a shame for the title not to go to one of those two teams just because they happened to have a bad day against some Big12 or Pac12 upstart. Luckily for us, sanity rules in CFB.

Pemulis: I know, and it's not just the NFL: people are still upset about Georgetown losing to Villanova in 1985, and everyone wishes we could somehow just go back and award the trophy to what was clearly the best team in the country that year. Instead we're all forced to sit back and accept what the playoffs/tournaments tell us. In college football this year it's clear that LSU and Alabama are the 2 best teams and it would be a shame for the title not to go to one of those two teams just because they happened to have a bad day against some Big12 or Pac12 upstart. Luckily for us, sanity rules in CFB.

Not sure if serious.

8:33 MCT, I still have a job and am planning on sending the clips of Stanfords kickers to Nate later today.

Hillbilly Jim: WhyteRaven74: Freak: And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB.

Only Division I-A. Divisions I-AA, II and III all have a play off. They have actual national champions.

Don't bring up those football factories that care nothing about the student athlete and tradition. If the FBS went to a playoff it would make the regular season meaningless. The bowl system insures that every game matters, better not lose heads up to a conference foe or your screwed.

Unless you're '01 Nebraska, '03 LSU, '03 USC, '03 Oklahoma, '06 Florida, '07 LSU (two regular season losses), '08 Florida (lost to unranked Ole Miss at home), or '11 Alabama. All those teams lost a conference game (some in embarrassing fashion) and either won or played for the national title.

Hillbilly Jim: WhyteRaven74: Freak: And that's exactly what's wrong with CFB.

Only Division I-A. Divisions I-AA, II and III all have a play off. They have actual national champions.

Don't bring up those football factories that care nothing about the student athlete and tradition. If the FBS went to a playoff it would make the regular season meaningless. The bowl system insures that every game matters, better not lose heads up to a conference foe or your screwed.

10/10. Flawless victory.

Here's the problem with the Big Time College Championships, In Basketball it has created the sleaziest enviornment known to man, there are more parasites, leaches, viruses and slime in college basketball than in the combined test results of Paris Hilton, LiLo, and whatever famous skanks are out there. Before the March Madness took over, you could have a good year if you won your confrence got a post season invite and do well. Now, it's a failure if you don't get to the final four. It created an arms race for which coach can sweet talk the most talented kids to school.

College football coaches aren't pure, think about it - JoPaterno one of the most universally respected and loved coaches in the history of the game covered up a child rapist because he was afraid of the damage to the program. Imagine if John Calapari was a football coach? What the fark do you think he would hide to protect his program.

Looking at the time of possession, I'm stunned by Stanford's advantage. Their secondary must have really sucked to allow so many quick scores, especially with no special teams or defensive touchdowns by OK State.

That and that Justin Blackmon kid looks like he's going in the first round.

Komplex: Here's the problem with the Big Time College Championships, In Basketball it has created the sleaziest enviornment known to man, there are more parasites, leaches, viruses and slime in college basketball than in the combined test results of Paris Hilton, LiLo, and whatever famous skanks are out there. Before the March Madness took over, you could have a good year if you won your confrence got a post season invite and do well. Now, it's a failure if you don't get to the final four. It created an arms race for which coach can sweet talk the most talented kids to school.

College football coaches aren't pure, think about it - JoPaterno one of the most universally respected and loved coaches in the history of the game covered up a child rapist because he was afraid of the damage to the program. Imagine if John Calapari was a football coach? What the fark do you think he would hide to protect his program.

Are you really putting forth the notion that college basketball is more corrupt than college football because of March Madness?

Bama is better than Ok State, but Bama had their shot. And who here doesn't want to see Tyrone Mathieu on Justin Blackmon?

The Stanford coaching staff should be charged with child abuse in this one. Their Freshman kicker was tossed to the wolves when his team decided to not use their remaining time outs in the final minute with the ball near the 20. In fact, they wound up attempting the FG on 2nd and 4! Even with a veteran kicker this is sketchy, but given how shaky this kid had been ALL GAME it's completely inexcusable to hand everything over to him on anything past 30 yards unless you've no other choice. But nooo, the staff can't be bothered factoring in even the most basic aspects of human psychology in their brilliant game plans. Perhaps they were too busy trying to grapple with how to occasionally prevent the forward pass.

Thoguh: ongbok: I have to disagree with you here. From what I saw from both of those defenses either LSU or Bama would have run all over them. I also seriously doubt either offense would have gotten anything going against LSU or Bama's D.

And we'll never know, but ESPN can pretend that doesn't matter. I think Oklahoma State earned a split championship, since they never got the chance against LSU.

basemetal: Dafatone: Bama is better than Ok State, but Bama had their shot. And who here doesn't want to see Tyrone Mathieu on Justin Blackmon?

Bama was better than Utah in 08 too, right?

Once again, OKST would have had their shot if they would have handled business and beat an unranked Iowa State. They couldn't so the chance to play LSU went to the 1 loss team that lost against the better opponent. Had they beat Iowa St we would have been watching LSU trounce them on Monday.

And from what I saw of OKST's D last night there was no way that a team with a defense that bad should be a top 5 team.

That Norv Turner is one helluva Farker!