I've known a few hippies that love Ron Paul. They're idiots.

He's not out there advocating an individual mandate one year and then denouncing it as socialism the next just because Democrats passed it. The rest of the Republican field are, by-and-large, shameless liars, and everyone knows it. That's appealing to some people.

GAT_00: serpent_sky: Seriously, neither are truly liberal, but Ron Paul is less liberal and there's no way his more liberal ideas (legalizing marijuana, for example) would ever get passed Congress/the House. His batshiat crazy ideas on the economy, foreign policy, and deregulation of just about everything (aside from a woman's right to choose -- that freedom isn't okay by him)... I'm not sure this country could survive him, to be honest.

Ron Paul isn't liberal, he'd be conservative by 1850's standards. Ron Paul would be defending slavery and denying women their right to vote, much less actual equality.

that's just farking nonsense.

FlashHarry: why the f*ck would a democrat vote for an anti-poor, anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minority REPUBLICAN like ron paul? are they so f*cking idiotic that they think his one or two libertarian policy positions justify this?

They are 18 year olds, spend all their time on reddit, and have never voted before in their lives.

But...but...RON PAUL wants to end the drug wars.

Ron Paul is in favor of weed maaaaaaaaaan.

serpent_sky: GAT_00: Ron Paul isn't liberal, he'd be conservative by 1850's standards. Ron Paul would be defending slavery and denying women their right to vote, much less actual equality.

I did note he scares the crap out of me, precisely for those reasons. I like having rights and equality, I'm kind of used to that. I think he would be absolutely destructive for this country, and no, he's not a liberal. He has a few positions that could be considered on the liberal side of things, but realistically, it's probably about .01% of his entire ideology.

The only things that are remotely liberal would be ending the drug wars, bringing the troops home, and drastically cutting down the size of the defense department.

The rest is your typical libertarian/conservative.

It gets tiring trying to see people package this guy as a hero and a genius.

Fart_Machine: Ron Paul is in favor of weed maaaaaaaaaan.

Have you ever caucused for Ron Paul...ON WEED?!?!

The real derp will always be how Ron Paul's liberal critics are walking hand in hand with Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Mark Levin, and the other RINODerps

When you compare the GOP field with Obama....there isn't much difference...just who will be bringing the welfare checks. The only real alternative is Paul

Fark It: propasaurus: FlashHarry: why the f*ck would a democrat vote for an anti-poor, anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minority REPUBLICAN like ron paul? are they so f*cking idiotic that they think his one or two libertarian policy positions justify this?

This is like the umpteenth article I've seen talking about how RON PAUL is the real liberal and liberals should be supporting him instead of Obama. And it makes me wonder where it's coming from.
I don't think these concern troll stories are coming from Democrats/liberals. I think it's all coming from the other Republicans in the race. Essentially, it's "hey look GOP voters! RON PAUL is a liberal!"

I voted for Obama. IMO, he's Bush's 3rd term, he just doesn't hate gay people and science as much as Bush did, and he actually cared about getting OBL. That's it. We've gone backwards when it comes to the 4th Amendment and the security state we live in.

Because in addition to ending the US practices of torture and rendition to torture, Bush in his third term would have withdrawn US forces from Iraq, appointed Justices Sotomayor and Kagan, and signed into law all of the following legislation:

Enacted
Main article: Acts of the 111th United States Congress

* January 29, 2009: Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-2
* February 4, 2009: Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act (SCHIP), Pub.L. 111-3
* February 17, 2009: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA), Pub.L. 111-5
* March 11, 2009: Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009, Pub.L. 111-8
* March 30, 2009: Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-11
* April 21, 2009: Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, Pub.L. 111-13
* May 20, 2009: Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-21
* May 20, 2009: Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-22
* May 22, 2009: Weapon Systems Acquisition Reform Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-23
* May 22, 2009: Credit CARD Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-24
* June 22, 2009: Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, as Division A of Pub.L. 111-31
* June 24, 2009: Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009 including the Car Allowance Rebate System (Cash for Clunkers), Pub.L. 111-32
* October 28, 2009: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010, including the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, Pub.L. 111-84
* November 6, 2009: Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111-92
* December 16, 2009: Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2010, Pub.L. 111-117
* February 12, 2010: Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act, as Title I of Pub.L. 111-139
* March 4, 2010: Travel Promotion Act of 2009, as Section 9 of Pub.L. 111-145
* March 18, 2010: Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act, Pub.L. 111-147
* March 23, 2010: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Pub.L. 111-148
* March 30, 2010: Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, including the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, Pub.L. 111-152
* May 5, 2010: Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-163
* July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-195
* July 21, 2010: Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, Pub.L. 111-203
* August 3, 2010: Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-220
* August 10, 2010: SPEECH Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-223
* September 27, 2010: Small Business Jobs and Credit Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-240
* December 8, 2010: Claims Resolution Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-291
* December 13, 2010: Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-296
* December 17, 2010: Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-312, H.R. 4853
* December 22, 2010: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-321, H.R. 2965
* January 2, 2011: James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111-347, H.R. 847
* January 4, 2011: Shark Conservation Act, Pub.L. 111-348, H.R. 81
* January 4, 2011: Food Safety and Modernization Act, Pub.L. 111-353, H.R. 2751

But hey, you know, don't let objective reality stop you from the half-baked gruntings you call political commentary.

Sabyen91: You know who else both the left and right don't like?

RON PAUL supporters sound like Scientologists?

When questioned on which policies of Congressman Paul he supports, the democrat responded "Duuuuude"

Sabyen91: UCFRoadWarrior: The real derp will always be how Ron Paul's liberal critics are walking hand in hand with Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Mark Levin, and the other RINODerps

Again? Every single thread. You know who else both the left and right don't like?

Mimes? It's mimes isn't it?

Sabyen91: UCFRoadWarrior: The real derp will always be how Ron Paul's liberal critics are walking hand in hand with Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Mark Levin, and the other RINODerps

Again? Every single thread. You know who else both the left and right don't like?

Alright, how is UCFRoadWarrior wrong?

jehovahs witness protection: TheOmni: FlashHarry: why the f*ck would a democrat vote for an anti-poor, anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minority REPUBLICAN like ron paul? are they so f*cking idiotic that they think his one or two libertarian policy positions justify this?

Because they're young straight white males that are blinded by privilege making them think "Well, he has some bad points, but they don't really matter that much. These good points are what's really important." At least, that's how it has been in my experience.

Democrats explained in 2 words.

Which Republican derp tard is your choice?

Sabyen91: cbcs: Sabyen91: UCFRoadWarrior: The real derp will always be how Ron Paul's liberal critics are walking hand in hand with Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Mark Levin, and the other RINODerps

Again? Every single thread. You know who else both the left and right don't like?

Alright, how is UCFRoadWarrior wrong?

Thinking that just because the left and the right hate him he must be onto something is how he is wrong. I thought that was clearly evident in my Godwin.

Yeah, it's like those douchebags who are Yankees or Cowboys fans just because everyone else hates them.

FlashHarry: why the f*ck would a democrat vote for an anti-poor, anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minority REPUBLICAN like ron paul? are they so f*cking idiotic that they think his one or two libertarian policy positions justify this?

Staunch liberal here. I would vote for RON PAUL because

a) He won't be able to overturn the civil rights act. Sorry, he just won't
b) He will use his veto pen to veto new legislation
c) He won't be able to overturn the civil rights act
d) He will be able to stop stupid executive orders
e) He won't be able to overturn the civil rights act
f) He will withdraw troops from oversees as the commander in chief, shrinking the defense budget
g) He would look at the federal reserve under the microscope they deserve
h) the damage he could do in 4 years would be less than someone that doesn't veto
i) He has stated that gay marriage isn't an issue of the governement and probably wouldn't be able to overturn the recent pro gay rights military act

Therefore: he can't undo the good Obama has done, but he will be able to do the good that Obama hasn't.

propasaurus
And RON PAUL is gonna make it all better?

He's not going to win, but he might confront Obama with some reeeeally awkward questions.


bugontherug
Main article: Acts of the 111th United States Congress

What an impressive-looking list of mostly bugger-all.

FlashHarry: why the f*ck would a democrat vote for an anti-poor, anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minority REPUBLICAN like ron paul? are they so f*cking idiotic that they think his one or two libertarian policy positions justify this?

Because he isn't a murderer?

Yes there'd be policy fights on if Ron Paul won but at least we could be sure that he wouldn't be imprisoning people indefinitely for stepping out of line, or killing thousands of innocent people with drone bombers, or overthrowing sovereign nations for shiats and giggles.

I Said: I'll just leave this here:

RP gets a higher score from the ACLU than Obama (new window)

I understand a lot of people, with very good reason, are against a Ron Paul presidency. But don't act like an ass and say it's because a few misguided hippies want weed to be legalized. There are issues, big issues, issues that Obama ran on last time, where Paul's rhetoric is further left than Obama's was and is far further left than his actions have been. I know "what you say and what you can do when in office are two different things" but Obama's election was partly a rejection of "business as usual" in Washington, and when some of his supporters didn't see that shift happening as fast as they wanted, what did you think they would do?

It's a fair argument to make.

But it's absurd to say that Ron Paul is more liberal than Obama just because he opposes the Patriot Act and the War on Drugs because Ron Paul cancels that out by being much further to the right of Obama on domestic issues.

Sabyen91: UCFRoadWarrior: The real derp will always be how Ron Paul's liberal critics are walking hand in hand with Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Mark Levin, and the other RINODerps

This.

Man, the egg'll be on their faces when RON PAUL wins the Presidency, and issues letters of marque and reprisal against the Barbary Pirates.

They should all be lined up and slapped one by one.

CitizensUnited: Man, the egg'll be on their faces when RON PAUL wins the Presidency, and issues letters of marque and reprisal against the Barbary Pirates.

Wait...is that in the Constitution?

CitizensUnited
Man, the egg'll be on their faces when RON PAUL wins the Presidency, and issues letters of marque and reprisal against the Barbary Pirates.

THAT'S NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION.