It's so hard to play in 70 degree weather! That's why Big 10/Pac 12 teams consistently lose to SEC teams, not because of their effeminate defenses!

Lot of hate for a terrible ohio st team.

Coelacanth Filet: It's so hard to play in 70 degree weather! That's why Big 10/Pac 12 teams consistently lose to SEC teams, not because of their effeminate defenses!

When was the last SEC team to go BIG 10 country. Ever notice how none of the bowls the SEC plays in are in the rust belt?

They played like the Bad News Buckeyes today. Looked like a team coached by RichRod. Yes - it was that farking bad.

You beat a team with a losing record? Congrats, you finally found someone you can beat. How are you doing against William & Mary?

Aar1012: Mentat: McManus_brothers: great_tigers: Coelacanth Filet: It's so hard to play in 70 degree weather! That's why Big 10/Pac 12 teams consistently lose to SEC teams, not because of their effeminate defenses!

When was the last SEC team to go BIG 10 country. Ever notice how none of the bowls the SEC plays in are in the rust belt?


Uh, Alabama at Penn State? September 10, 2011?

I know West Virginia isn't technically Big Ten country, but LSU this year.

LSU has demonstrated that it is the best in the country this year. This is coming from someone who feels that the SEC is incredibly overrated

6 straight National Champs out of the SEC. Yes, incredibly overrated.

SevenizGud: You beat a team with a losing record? Congrats, you finally found someone you can beat. How are you doing against William & Mary?

Well, TBF, the losing record came after today's loss. First seven loss season since 1897 mind you.

/CHOMP.

2wolves: TheDumbBlonde: Huh?

How well would an all speed/passing team have done in conditions like yesterday's Browns/Steelers game with 30mph winds and snow?

I dunno, I bet Oregon would have done okay...

SevenizGud: You beat a team with a losing record? Congrats, you finally found someone you can beat. How are you doing against William & Mary?

Close. The Gators beat a 6-6 team into a losing record.

TheDumbBlonde: Well, since you are back comparing apples and oranges, how would an all rushing team deal with 95 degrees and 99% humidity? Answer: Play, or GTFO. Now, go whine somewhere else.

Translation: "We would never agree to play in those conditions anyway because we've seen the Tampa Bay Buccaneers every time they show up in cold-weather cities and you can't make us schedule that kind of trap game, so fark you".

Gosling: TheDumbBlonde: Well, since you are back comparing apples and oranges, how would an all rushing team deal with 95 degrees and 99% humidity? Answer: Play, or GTFO. Now, go whine somewhere else.

Translation: "We would never agree to play in those conditions anyway because we've seen the Tampa Bay Buccaneers every time they show up in cold-weather cities and you can't make us schedule that kind of trap game, so fark you".

Apples and oranges. The NFC doesn't make their own schedules, and their league has a playoff.

If you wish to disagree with me, I issue a challenge:

*Take all the SEC teams (aside from Missouri and Texas A&M).
*Examine the nonconference games they have played in November, December or January in the past 10 seasons (2002-2011).
*Remove from the sample any game played in any SEC state (FL, GA, AL, MS, SC, NC, TN, AR, LA, KY), as well as games played in VA, OK, TX, NM, AZ, HI, or southern California (e.g. south of San Luis Obispo).

Of the games remaining, what's the SEC's win-loss record?

I'm sure it was great fun for the fans and all, but I find a bowl game for two .500ish teams to be an odd celebration of mediocrity.

2wolves: TheDumbBlonde: Huh?

How well would an all speed/passing team have done in conditions like yesterday's Browns/Steelers game with 30mph winds and snow?

The pats do pretty well

Gosling: If you wish to disagree with me, I issue a challenge:

*Take all the SEC teams (aside from Missouri and Texas A&M).
*Examine the nonconference games they have played in November, December or January in the past 10 seasons (2002-2011).
*Remove from the sample any game played in any SEC state (FL, GA, AL, MS, SC, NC, TN, AR, LA, KY), as well as games played in VA, OK, TX, NM, AZ, HI, or southern California (e.g. south of San Luis Obispo).

Of the games remaining, what's the SEC's win-loss record?

A goalpost on wheels isn't good enough for you, is it? You've gotta put that bad boy on a Saturn V rocket to keep em moving fast enough.

2wolves: I have to wonder what it would be like if the southern teams played outdoors in Wisconsin or Boston.

You build a team for your conference and climate.

Michigan St. beat Georgia in Tampa. Nice try.

Cheops: A goalpost on wheels isn't good enough for you, is it? You've gotta put that bad boy on a Saturn V rocket to keep em moving fast enough.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about, though I will say that so far, I haven't been able to find a single, solitary game that even meets the criteria. I was willing to flex a Vanderbilt/Wake Forest game in (which Vanderbilt won handily), but then I found the game was played on neutral ground in North Carolina.

cbcs: Aar1012: Mentat: McManus_brothers: great_tigers: Coelacanth Filet: It's so hard to play in 70 degree weather! That's why Big 10/Pac 12 teams consistently lose to SEC teams, not because of their effeminate defenses!

When was the last SEC team to go BIG 10 country. Ever notice how none of the bowls the SEC plays in are in the rust belt?


Uh, Alabama at Penn State? September 10, 2011?

I know West Virginia isn't technically Big Ten country, but LSU this year.

LSU has demonstrated that it is the best in the country this year. This is coming from someone who feels that the SEC is incredibly overrated

6 straight National Champs out of the SEC. Yes, incredibly overrated.

Florida was ranked top 10 earlier this year. That's pretty overrated. Also the B1G sucks and it's always more overrated than the SEC ever has been.

I'm sure any SEC team would play in some Rustbelt bowl if given the opportunity. Hell, with the NFL prospects they constantly reload on their rosters, one might even call it a field trip of sorts. But this will never happen, because who really wants to make an event to Cleveland, or Cincinnati, or Pittsburgh, or even Philadelphia in late December or early January? The only football teams that play there are ones that are more or less forced to play there. There's a reason that there has never been a Super Bowl in these places, or pretty well any non-covered stadium north of LA or Tampa (although it'll be nice to see what NY has in store next year). When I think vacation, or a place to have a big party, these are places that do not come up on my short list.

2wolves: To amuse myself I'm going to try to dig up the SEC's non-conference schedules/records for the past decade and see how often they go north of the Mason-Dixon and the outcomes.

Probably be done Wednesday.

No anecdotes, just the actual results.

I'm sure what's their face already has or they wouldn't have brought it up.

Is the SEC better than the Big 10 in football? Yes. It clearly is.

But with that being said, the differential between the conferences IS skewed by the fact that the SEC doesn't play cold weather games (seriously, go look at how often the big name SEC teams play in a game with the game time temp under freezing - I bet its around once a decade) but the Big 10 has to play in cold and heat and everything in between.

Power running teams tend to do better in cold weather. Bowl games are played either indoors or in warm weather. Its a big factor.

And yes, you can prepare for anything. But the simple fact is that the Big 10 has to adjust for every bowl game it plays in (since the teams don't play indoors, so they have generally been playing in cold conditions for 2 straight months), while the SEC NEVER has to do so. And thats a factor in close games.

To use an example today - I think that Wisconsin beats Oregon if the game was played in 15 degree temps in say Michigan. Yeah, I know that Oregon isn't an SEC team, but I'm just saying that I think that some of these close games that the Big 10 loses every year might have been different if they were played in the conditions that they were much more used to.

The Big 10 did suck this year, so I'm not saying that it was going to be pretty no matter what. But I think that they would have picked up maybe one or two more wins if the games were played in cold weather.

MarshHawk: 2wolves: To amuse myself I'm going to try to dig up the SEC's non-conference schedules/records for the past decade and see how often they go north of the Mason-Dixon and the outcomes.


Aren't you basically arguing that the Big 10 schools would be proven superior to those from the SEC if, and only if, the schools from the south would come in play in frigid weather? And that, although the bowls today were held in sunny, 70+ degree weather that everyone in all parts of the country experience throughout the year, snow and ice would be the only way to fairly compare teams from the two conference?

Nice argument, Matlock.

It's called a variable. We know how they do in nice weather. The question is, are those results upheld in bad weather, and if there's a dropoff, how much of one.

Problem is that the sample requested appears to not even exist, because the SEC doesn't participate in cold-weather games, unlike the other conferences. I mean... must be nice, you know? I'm not raising a concern with 2wolves doing a full-season analysis as opposed to my asking specifically about the cold-weather months primarily because I want a sample size larger than zero.

Krazikarl: Is the SEC better than the Big 10 in football? Yes. It clearly is.

But with that being said, the differential between the conferences IS skewed by the fact that the SEC doesn't play cold weather games (seriously, go look at how often the big name SEC teams play in a game with the game time temp under freezing - I bet its around once a decade) but the Big 10 has to play in cold and heat and everything in between.

Power running teams tend to do better in cold weather. Bowl games are played either indoors or in warm weather. Its a big factor.

And yes, you can prepare for anything. But the simple fact is that the Big 10 has to adjust for every bowl game it plays in (since the teams don't play indoors, so they have generally been playing in cold conditions for 2 straight months), while the SEC NEVER has to do so. And thats a factor in close games.

To use an example today - I think that Wisconsin beats Oregon if the game was played in 15 degree temps in say Michigan. Yeah, I know that Oregon isn't an SEC team, but I'm just saying that I think that some of these close games that the Big 10 loses every year might have been different if they were played in the conditions that they were much more used to.

The Big 10 did suck this year, so I'm not saying that it was going to be pretty no matter what. But I think that they would have picked up maybe one or two more wins if the games were played in cold weather.

But Michigan State beat Georgia, that has to count for something. Georgia was 7-1 against SEC opponents and Florida was only 3-5 against other SEC teams. Georgia was 10-4 overall while Florida was 7-6, UGA was a much better team this year than Florida and UGA got beat by MSU.

Obviously the SEC is a lot easier conference when it comes to the class room. How stupid do you have to be to compare two teams that finished in the middle of the conferences to decide that the SEC is better? A comparison of two teams near the top of their conferences would be a better comparison but that one does not support your lame theory.

Kinda hard to play a bunch of games in December since that's, you know, Bowl Season.

MarshHawk: Yeah, it's doubtful that you'll find many SEC teams traveling up north during November and December. That's kinda when they are playing games against other teams in their conference... down south.Weather is indeed a variable, but it is probably more accurate to call it a confounding variable. If the Big 10 teams were to dominate the SEC in a series of home games in December, would it be because they are truly better, or would it be because of the weather that the southern teams are unaccustomed to?

Well, SEC teams usually have 1 non conference date in November that they could use in principle to play someplace not in the South. But if an AD did that, they would (rightfully) be fired. The way college football works is that big time teams don't schedule non conference games on the road very much at all, and if they do, its sure as hell not in the middle of their conference season. Its just one of those frustrating things about college football - the scheduling is so biased since teams, especially big time teams, get so much control over their schedule.

Ideally you would spread the conference schedule over the course of the whole year to at least allow for the realistic possibility of non conference road games in the latter half of the season, but its not going to ever happen. The big time schools would never allow it.

Ah well, its just one thing out of about a thousand for why college football is so damn flawed. Its really too bad since its a fun product, but everything about the system is just so badly designed.