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(The Jakarta Globe)   Right now, six people running for the job of the leader of the most powerful nation on earth are trying desperately to convince voters that they don't believe in science and won't govern based on it   (thejakartaglobe.com) divider line 511
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2012-01-02 01:46:32 PM  
And we wonder why people talk about the Decline of America...
 
2012-01-02 01:46:40 PM  

Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.


Present rigorous scientific evidence (IE quantifiable, reproducible, and falsifiable) confirming the existence of your God and the scientific community will accept it.

But you can't. All you have are fairy tales.

www.jamesrb.co.uk
 
2012-01-02 01:46:42 PM  
thingsthatshouldntstillexist.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-01-02 01:47:02 PM  
Denying science is a way for those of lesser intelligence to feel equal (or even superior) to those more intelligent. It is far easier to say, "Science BAD because JESUS!" than to admit that they do not understand and are intimidated by those who do.

As 50% of the population is of below average intelligence, and as there is not minimum IQ required to register to vote, and as those who are least able to think and reason independently are the most easily led, pandering to the slow side of the bell curve is actually a smart political move.
 
2012-01-02 01:47:25 PM  
Atheism is a Religion
 
2012-01-02 01:47:42 PM  

poorjon: And we wonder why people talk about the Decline of America...


The implication being that we had some sort of heyday in the first place...
 
2012-01-02 01:47:53 PM  
Not believing claims of man made climate change is not the same as not believing in evolution.

...ain't the same farking ball park. It ain't the same league. It ain't even the same farking sport.
 
2012-01-02 01:47:58 PM  

discospinster: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

It's hardly aggressive or forced.


If that were the case then schools shouldn't have a problem teaching creationism vs. evolutionism.
 
2012-01-02 01:49:01 PM  
I'll tell you what I don't believe in: the republican party. I don't think it is a real political party. I think it's really a bunch of AWing trolls lampooning serious governance in an attempt to gain attention and sell books. Nothing I have seen lately would convince me otherwise.
 
2012-01-02 01:49:17 PM  
I weep for the nation...
 
2012-01-02 01:49:26 PM  
So a state with an agribusiness economy dependent mostly on hybrid breeds of corn is dominated by those who say evolution doesn't happen.

If that was a joke it would be rejected as "premise too implausible -- try something about 'So the Pope and Gandhi were jacking off to goat porn atop the Eiffel Tower' as your opener."
 
2012-01-02 01:49:31 PM  

Lordserb: discospinster: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

It's hardly aggressive or forced.

If that were the case then schools shouldn't have a problem teaching creationism vs. evolutionism.


Whose creationism?

Besides, creationism isn't a science. If you think otherwise you are an idiot and need to brush up on the scientific method.
 
2012-01-02 01:49:43 PM  
There is no objective truth, there is only a marketplace of ideas. Welcome to hell ladies and gentlemen.
 
2012-01-02 01:49:45 PM  

BurnShrike: Someone who denies science the way these people do should not be allowed to use any of the things science has given us including TV, radio, cell phones, medicine, internal combustion, electricity and electronic voting machines.

That should successfully keep these luddites out of our politics.

If you're that willfully ignorant, get out of the way. I mean, the rest of us are trying to run a civilization here.


sigh.
 
2012-01-02 01:49:57 PM  

discospinster: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

It's hardly aggressive or forced.


It is to people who have perfected the art of being a huge social majority while complaining that they are the most oppressed in the country.
 
2012-01-02 01:50:13 PM  

mexican bathtub cheese: Not believing claims of man made climate change is not the same as not believing in evolution.


Actually it is. Both are well-documented.

Thanks for playing.
 
2012-01-02 01:50:31 PM  
The truly scary part is that there are just enough morans out there to get these whack jobs elected.
 
2012-01-02 01:50:43 PM  

namegoeshere: Denying science is a way for those of lesser intelligence to feel equal (or even superior) to those more intelligent. It is far easier to say, "Science BAD because JESUS!" than to admit that they do not understand and are intimidated by those who do.

As 50% of the population is of below average intelligence, and as there is not minimum IQ required to register to vote, and as those who are least able to think and reason independently are the most easily led, pandering to the slow side of the bell curve is actually a smart political move.


Know how we can tell you don't know what a standard deviation is?
 
2012-01-02 01:50:57 PM  
Luckily, no one ever has to "believe" in evolution. You either accept facts and evidence or you don't.
 
2012-01-02 01:51:06 PM  

clyph: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

Present rigorous scientific evidence (IE quantifiable, reproducible, and falsifiable) confirming the existence of your God and the scientific community will accept it.

But you can't. All you have are fairy tales.


The argument isn't 'ignore science', but rather accept and use science to explain the universe with the understanding that God exists and created it.
 
2012-01-02 01:51:19 PM  
Hell I work with engineers who deny the same science they use to perform their jobs when it comes to their politics & religion. So if people who actually know better will do it why should I not be surprised if a bunch of pandering politicians also do it to get their votes?

Yes it is scary.
 
2012-01-02 01:51:51 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: Believing in science is much the same as believing in God. Either one takes some degree of "faith" to make the puzzle fit. Personally, I believe there can be a co-existance of both, but I find the universe and all that has taken place to be too miraculous to have "just happened".


When thinking gets hard, attribute things to magic. Problem solved.
 
2012-01-02 01:52:48 PM  
The funny part about all of this is we're watching the Republican party slowly evolve into a giant Pander.
 
2012-01-02 01:52:49 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Christianity is a cult.
 
2012-01-02 01:52:57 PM  
We need a hero like the olden times.

media.ignimgs.com
 
2012-01-02 01:53:03 PM  
They only want to Teach the Controversy.
 
2012-01-02 01:54:17 PM  

Doc Lee: letrole: Atheism is a Religion

Christianity is a cult.


Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father.
 
2012-01-02 01:54:53 PM  

Lordserb: clyph: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

Present rigorous scientific evidence (IE quantifiable, reproducible, and falsifiable) confirming the existence of your God and the scientific community will accept it.

But you can't. All you have are fairy tales.

The argument isn't 'ignore science', but rather accept and use science to explain the universe with the understanding that God exists and created it.


So the idea is "all of this stuff is still true, but God did it"?

That's retarded.
 
2012-01-02 01:54:54 PM  

Lordserb: The argument isn't 'ignore science', but rather accept and use science to explain the universe with the understanding that God exists and created it.


That isn't science, though. That is forming the conclusion and then forming only that data which supports your preformed conclusion.

Put another way: This is "Creation Science", which isn't science at all. In order for it to be science you would have to first observe that God exists, and we don't. So...
 
2012-01-02 01:55:14 PM  
Even Alexis de Tocqueville wrote about anti-intellectualism in America. It has roots in anti-elitism / anti-aristocracy. These days it has more to do with fear of progress, which would explain why it has become an issue of the right, not the left as it traditionally is.
 
2012-01-02 01:55:16 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: Believing in science is much the same as believing in God. Either one takes some degree of "faith" to make the puzzle fit.


Correction - one involves a degree of "proof".
 
2012-01-02 01:55:39 PM  
The world is becoming a very scary place for some people.

They have cell phones that they dont understand.
They have cars they can no longer fix.
They know the internet is taking over, but pre-schoolers know more about it than they do..
Television is not TV anymore but rather a confusing "menu" of on-demand crap (OK I agree with this one)

Not to mention the black guy as POTUS.

The republican party represents the folks who cannot, or will not, accept the world as it has become. Technology and science represents everything they don't understand and cannot control. Rather than admit they are out of their element and do what they can, they put their energy to trying to tear down the system.

Sadly these people have a lot to offer the country - experience, time, and money. But instead of pitching in a pulling as they can, they want to stand on the sidelines throwing barricades in front of those who want to move the country ahead. Its not even like they have an alternative vision anymore. Now it is just "stop the other guy".

These folks will become more and more out of touch as time goes on, and eventually their numbers will be small enough (just by attrition) that nobody will pay attention to them. Then the republicans can be what they are best - a sensible counterweight to the tendency of government to increase bloat. I'm a liberal and even I worry about that.

Until then we need to stop engaging them and just ignoring what they say. There are way more sensible people in the world than not. It's not fashionable to say so, but its true.

We're American's dammit - lets act like we have some stones and fix things.
 
2012-01-02 01:55:49 PM  
well that was a particularly poorly written article.

You know who based a system of government on "scientific principles"?

No, this time it was Hitler.
 
2012-01-02 01:56:13 PM  

GungFu: USA! USA! USA!


If anything, asimovs got kickass sideburns

/ rereading foundation
 
2012-01-02 01:56:19 PM  

alternative girlfriend: Lordserb: discospinster: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

It's hardly aggressive or forced.

If that were the case then schools shouldn't have a problem teaching creationism vs. evolutionism.

Whose creationism?

Besides, creationism isn't a science. If you think otherwise you are an idiot and need to brush up on the scientific method.


So using the scientific method to explain radon halos isn't science? As with other arguments, I doubt seriously we will ever reach a common ground on the internet. Agree to disagree.
 
2012-01-02 01:56:21 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


and bald is a hair color.
fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net --> to bigg4r

/my karma ran over your dogma
 
2012-01-02 01:57:48 PM  
I'll just leave this quote here.

"No people can be both ignorant and free." ~ Thomas Jefferson
 
2012-01-02 01:58:26 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Errrr..............no.
 
2012-01-02 01:58:43 PM  

Lordserb: discospinster: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

It's hardly aggressive or forced.

If that were the case then schools shouldn't have a problem teaching creationism vs. evolutionism.


I learned about creationism in school. It was in Theology class, along with other religious creation stories from around the world. Science class was for science, and thus we were taught evolution.

Did I mention I went to Catholic school?
 
2012-01-02 01:58:44 PM  

Lordserb: clyph: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

Present rigorous scientific evidence (IE quantifiable, reproducible, and falsifiable) confirming the existence of your God and the scientific community will accept it.

But you can't. All you have are fairy tales.

The argument isn't 'ignore science', but rather accept and use science to explain the universe with the understanding that God exists and created it.


Okay, what if I want to accept and use science to explain the universe with the understanding that all of creation is precariously balanced on the back of a giant turtle. Would you have a problem with that?
 
2012-01-02 01:58:58 PM  

halfof33: well that was a particularly poorly written article.

You know who based a system of government on "scientific principles"?

No, this time it was Hitler.


Hitler was also a painter, which invalidates all artists before or since.

/can't get the f*cking trees
//damn I will kill everyone in the world!
 
2012-01-02 01:59:29 PM  

urban.derelict: letrole: Atheism is a Religion

and bald is a hair color.
[Link][fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 640x345] --> to bigg4r
/my karma ran over your dogma


"Hard atheism" is a religion. "Soft atheism", that is, "I currently see no evidence for a supreme being but if some is offered I will consider it," is not.

Of course, like with any religion, the "hard atheism" folks, ie, "god does not exist. period." get the most press.

But "hard atheism" is not a rational position, it is a religious one.
 
2012-01-02 01:59:35 PM  

Lordserb: alternative girlfriend: Lordserb: discospinster: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

It's hardly aggressive or forced.

If that were the case then schools shouldn't have a problem teaching creationism vs. evolutionism.

Whose creationism?

Besides, creationism isn't a science. If you think otherwise you are an idiot and need to brush up on the scientific method.

So using the scientific method to explain radon halos isn't science? As with other arguments, I doubt seriously we will ever reach a common ground on the internet. Agree to disagree.



I agree that you are an idiot. You, I am sure, will disagree.
 
2012-01-02 01:59:41 PM  
letrole: Atheism is a Religion

urban.derelict: and bald is a hair color

no

bald is a hair style
 
2012-01-02 01:59:59 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you don't believe the earth rotates around the sun.

These people should be tarred and feathered, not given a soapbox.


It doesn't.
 
2012-01-02 02:00:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984:
Hitler was also a painter, which invalidates all artists before or since.

/can't get the f*cking trees
//damn I will kill everyone in the world!


So much for "happy shky."
 
2012-01-02 02:00:45 PM  

stuffy: The truly scary part is that there are just enough morans out there to get these whack jobs elected.


Ain't religion wonderful?

/religion is a cancer of the planet
//it cripples a critically-thinking mind
///they tried for 12 years to brainwash me
//didn't take
/"You are guilty! From BIRTH! You've sinned! And the only way to redeem yourself... is to listen to these stories! (and give us your money. God's all powerful...BUT HE NEEDS MONEY!)
 
2012-01-02 02:00:51 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Le Troll is your surname.
 
2012-01-02 02:00:54 PM  

stevie1der: Lordserb: clyph: Lordserb: Not science, but the agressive forced interpretation of science that disallows God to exist.

Present rigorous scientific evidence (IE quantifiable, reproducible, and falsifiable) confirming the existence of your God and the scientific community will accept it.

But you can't. All you have are fairy tales.

The argument isn't 'ignore science', but rather accept and use science to explain the universe with the understanding that God exists and created it.

Okay, what if I want to accept and use science to explain the universe with the understanding that all of creation is precariously balanced on the back of a giant turtle. Would you have a problem with that?


This would make Terry Pratchett not only a Knight (who has a sword he forged himself from meteorite iron), but also a prophet.

I'm OK with this.
 
2012-01-02 02:00:55 PM  

Rob3Fan: I believe in evolution and science.

I don't believe in the exagerated claims of human induced climate change.

Climate science has been politicised, and hence corrupted by politics.


SO here's the thing about that: let's say human's AREN'T causing the climate to change, let's assume for the sake of argument that it's sunspots or volcanoes or some damn thing.

You can't possibly argue that the earth ISN'T getting warmer right?

and even if humans aren't the responsible agent, you do understand that if warmer temps lead to arctic ice melt offs (as they seem to be) that the sea levels will rise, and if they do the coastal areas of the world will be flooded? And you further understand that about 90% of the human population lives in coastal areas?

Okay so even if we aren't the CAUSE, if drastically reducing greenhouse emissions will solve the problem they why WOULDN'T we do that?
 
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