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urban.derelict

2012-01-02 08:42:31 AM

is it wrong that I read that as Paris Hilton believes in Syphalis?

Coffee Snob

2012-01-02 08:49:36 AM

I'd believe in curses too if I had to play for the Browns.

a sharp nail

2012-01-02 08:49:42 AM

He should just believe that he had a fluke season and isn't going to be worth whatever team signs him for.

funk_soul_bubby

2012-01-02 08:53:24 AM

The curse of the white RB!

Adolf Oliver Nipples

2012-01-02 08:53:29 AM

He did it to himself. He's the one that skipped a game with the Cleveland staph, he's the one with the attitude so bad that he required an "intervention", and he's the one that decided it would be a good idea to get married in the middle of the season, which required missing rehab time.

If anything, the curse is on Cleveland. They're the team that gets stuck with headcases like Hillis who have breakout years, get made the feature player, and then decide that football is just not a priority anymore. Stuff like this doesn't happen in Pittsburgh or Baltimore, and that is why Cleveland will never be anything but a bottom-feeding team.

funk_soul_bubby

2012-01-02 08:57:28 AM

IlGreven

2012-01-02 09:13:11 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: He did it to himself. He's the one that skipped a game with the Cleveland staph, he's the one with the attitude so bad that he required an "intervention", and he's the one that decided it would be a good idea to get married in the middle of the season, which required missing rehab time.

If anything, the curse is on Cleveland. They're the team that gets stuck with headcases like Hillis who have breakout years, get made the feature player, and then decide that football is just not a priority anymore. Stuff like this doesn't happen in Pittsburgh or Baltimore, and that is why Cleveland will never be anything but a bottom-feeding team.

And the curse is deserved...if not self inflicted by the fans, and the front office who listens to them rather than goes with their gut.

For instance, now there's talk about maybe using that high 1st to draft yet another quarterback. If that happens, it will signal the beginning of the end for Mike Holmgren, just like Phil Savage before him, and just like Carmen Policy before him. Especially since there are three positions on offense alone that need more help than the QB. One, they need a wideout that can actually catch a ball. Two, they need a good guard or tackle to shore up the right side, and probably another one to replace Steinbach. Three, they need a speedy every down back that doesn't have an injury history like Hardesty. And that's before we talk about the defense (how about a run-stopping LB and a safety, for starters? And I'd take another DE like Sheard.)

If Holmgren passes all that up to get another "savior" QB for the Browns just because the fans demand it, he deserves to be shown the door himself.

VvonderJesus

2012-01-02 09:22:11 AM

IlGreven:

If Holmgren passes all that up to get another "savior" QB for the Browns just because the fans demand it, he deserves to be shown the door himself.

But look at it this way. You could have the third pick in the draft if you trade like 3 or 4 picks to the Vikings. Then you could draft Robert Griffin III with the third pick! It's almost too good to pass up!

babysealclubber

2012-01-02 09:23:26 AM

I too believe in curses. But in Fantasy Football, and its name is Peyton Hillis

ksobby

2012-01-02 09:32:24 AM

IlGreven:
And the curse is deserved...if not self inflicted by the fans, and the front office who listens to them rather than goes with their gut.

For instance, now there's talk about maybe using that high 1st to draft yet another quarterback. If that happens, it will signal the beginning of the end for Mike Holmgren, just like Phil Savage before him, and just like Carmen Policy before him. Especially since there are three positions on offense alone that need more help than the QB. One, they need a wideout that can actually catch a ball. Two, they need a good guard or tackle to shore up the right side, and probably another one to replace Steinbach. Three, they need a speedy every down back that doesn't have an injury history like Hardesty. And that's before we talk about the defense (how about a run-stopping LB and a safety, for starters? And I'd take another DE like Sheard.)

If Holmgren passes all that up to get another "savior" QB for the Browns just because the fans demand it, he deserves to be shown the door himself.

Not sure the fans are demanding a new QB. I haven't heard anyone other than the media talk about RGIII or trading up for Luck. The fans just want a pair of hands out there. Leading the league in drops for a young qb on his second offense in his first full season is unacceptable. The defense could be decent if they weren't on the field 70% of the game sucking wind. I put this season on Hillis and the wide receiving corps. Play calling wasn't great but it wasn't atrocious. The most annoying and constantly reoccurring play this season was when the qbs would constantly check down to the TEs on third and long because the qbs knew that the TEs were the only ones that could get separation and hold on to the ball - two yards short of the first down. It wouldn't be 3rd and long if a) Hillis had averaged at least 3.3 a carry on first and/or second (have to be in the game to do that) and b) there was a deep threat that the other team had to account for to loosen up the intermediate route (6-12 yards). A QB isn't going to fix that.

And if Cleveland does draft a new QB, it will be because Holmgren wants one, not bowing to pressure ... he has never been sold on McCoy. He hasn't been sold on Hillis either. Neither of those guys were Holmgren picks/trades. The pieces that Holmgren has drafted so far have worked out very well.

/ Personally I think McCoy can get the job done if given half a chance. I hope they stick with him but I won't be surprised if they part ways ... sad, but not surprised.

TheManofPA

2012-01-02 09:48:27 AM

And yet next year, the coverboy will say that they don't believe in the Madden Curse and that it won't affect them.

The wife and I debate this though and while you would think the MVP (Rodgers or at least Brady) would be on the cover and potentially knock them out a year, it's pretty much a given that it is going to be Tebow.

I mean come on, it's gotta be Tebow (at least we won't have to hear about him as much when he misses 8 games due to curse)

RhineStoneTaco

2012-01-02 09:49:03 AM

"his controversial decision to sit out a game with strep throat on the advice of his agent,"

I don't understand why this was controversial. The only way it could have been was if he absolutely faked having strep throat to get out of the game because of the contract negotiations.

If he actually had strep, I figured the team would want him sent away. Strep is contagious. The last thing a team would want, in my mind, is him accidentally taking a swig out of the wrong bottle and then another player has strep. The whole throat swelling thing too, seems like it would make sprinting and running difficult to do at the professional level. But what do I know.

As for the draft, I see the Browns picking up either RGIII and replacing McCoy, or picking up Blackmon to help McCoy.

muwaryer

2012-01-02 10:03:28 AM

TheManofPA: And yet next year, the coverboy will say that they don't believe in the Madden Curse and that it won't affect them.

The wife and I debate this though and while you would think the MVP (Rodgers or at least Brady) would be on the cover and potentially knock them out a year, it's pretty much a given that it is going to be Tebow.

I mean come on, it's gotta be Tebow (at least we won't have to hear about him as much when he misses 8 games due to curse)

Oh man, I hadn't thought about Tebow being on the cover of Madden, but I'm sure you're right. The worst thing about that is he'll probably get credit for "beating" the curse. One of the reasons for the "curse" is that the cover typically features players coming off great seasons (often once-in-a-career seasons -- see Hillis, Peyton)), so the players are simply "returning to the mean." So, take a player who had a mediocre season, slap him on the cover of Madden, and it's quite likely he won't experience the "curse." Speaking as a Broncos fan who has enjoyed the Tebow story, but isn't really in love with Tebow, I've got to imagine his fans and some of the media will be insufferable when he "beats the curse."

RAWISRADFORD

2012-01-02 10:06:41 AM

Ksobby - both Hillis an McCoy ARE both Holmgren guys.

Hillis came from the Quinn trade and McCoy in the third round of his first draft.

I agree that the fans don't seem to be 100% clamoring for a new QB (odd considering the recent history of the franchise.

If I had a vote I would trade down - get another first rounder and take a right guard, reciever and linebacker/pass rush stud.

I would rather have the QB position play itself out over the next two years while improving the overall team talent.

ksobby

2012-01-02 10:15:14 AM

RAWISRADFORD: Ksobby - both Hillis an McCoy ARE both Holmgren guys.

Hillis came from the Quinn trade and McCoy in the third round of his first draft.

He may have signed the paperwork but the consensus was that Colt was a Mangini wishlist item which necessitated getting rid of Quinn ... who was traded to a Mangini buddy (McDaniels) for Hillis and the draft pick.

I understand that it happened on Holmgren's watch but he's never embraced them.

/ Really want to know if the Hillis/McDaniels' wife rumor has any truth to it.

muwaryer

2012-01-02 10:19:00 AM

RAWISRADFORD: Ksobby - both Hillis an McCoy ARE both Holmgren guys.

Hillis came from the Quinn trade and McCoy in the third round of his first draft.

I agree that the fans don't seem to be 100% clamoring for a new QB (odd considering the recent history of the franchise.

If I had a vote I would trade down - get another first rounder and take a right guard, reciever and linebacker/pass rush stud.

I would rather have the QB position play itself out over the next two years while improving the overall team talent.

Having just outed myself as a Broncos fan a couple posts up, it probably will seem odd that I'm now claiming some level of Browns "fandom" but that's what happens when you grow up in Colorado and then spend the last 20+ years in Cleveland.

Like you mentioned, I'm not hearing the Cleveland fans clamoring for a new QB. I think the recent history of the franchise has made fans tired of seeing the team destroy talented young QBs because they don't protect them and don't give them a decent receiving corps. They need a lot more than a new QB. I'm not really sold on McCoy, but I think he's a good enough quarterback for the Browns to do well if they address some of their other needs.

If the Browns managed a deal and drafted Andrew Luck and didn't get their other needs taken care of, after two years of watching Luck getting his ass kicked and throwing the ball to receivers who can't catch, people would be saying, "I guess he wasn't the 'sure thing' everyone thought he was..."

RAWISRADFORD

2012-01-02 10:25:07 AM

Ksobby

Not even close on McCoy (first do you really think mangini had any pull in the draft room- second everybody knows holmgrem pulled rank)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/ 2010/04/26/holmgren-pulled-rank- t o-draft-colt-mccoy/

As far as why Hillis was thrown out by Denver - your guess is as good as any - but he is part of this front offices legacy - I think brownies are smart to let him see what his value is and match it - I like him - tough runner, good hands)

UNC_Samurai

2012-01-02 10:25:41 AM

Troy McClure

2012-01-02 11:09:19 AM

McCoy was a Holmgren pick, but I don't think Holmgren saw McCoy as a savior or franchise guy. Holmgren likes to draft project QBs in mid rounds. If he doesn't think McCoy has it, he will move on. And that's what he should do. Whether that means he goes to get a bigger name QB prospect or another mid-round project remains to be seen.

By the way the Browns talk about McCoy, I get the impression they have already decided he's not the answer. That's not them listening to the fans. This team desn't listen to the fans one bit. If they listened to the fans, Hillis would have entered the season with a new contract and a free agent WR would have been signed.

I Said

2012-01-02 11:33:21 AM

I'd like to see Tom Brady and Gronkowski share the cover next year. They deserve it after an excellent year.

/Jets fan

rka

2012-01-02 11:57:21 AM

"And you thought I was crazy for shipping his ass to Cleveland." - Josh McDaniels

taglius

2012-01-02 12:08:13 PM

rka: "And you thought I was crazy for shipping his ass to Cleveland." - Josh McDaniels

citation desired, I would like to see the article behind that quote.

degenerate-afro

2012-01-02 12:09:33 PM

Wasn't this from like a week ago? Maybe it was another site I read it on. Anyway, the Madden Curse worked very well this year.

IlGreven

2012-01-02 12:19:26 PM

Nefarious

2012-01-02 12:29:58 PM

Put Marc Sanchez on the cover, no one will notice.

robsul82

2012-01-02 12:40:45 PM

Fark no, it shouldn't be Tebow, how much worse would a curse-afflicted Tebow play anyway? Should be Rodgers. By all rights he should've been farked this year, but they opened it to a fan vote and he got saved! lol He's still owed one!

eagles95

2012-01-02 12:59:10 PM

I say let the fans keep voting the Madden cover guy. That way i keep making sure Rodgers isn't on the cover by voting for whomever he's against. No way in hell I want Mr. Discount Double-check on the cover.

rka

2012-01-02 01:01:54 PM

IlGreven: Until Brady Quinn becomes truly productive, the Browns still have the upper hand in the deal.

The Browns got a 1yr one-hit wonder which netted them nothing in the long term. The Broncos shipped out a locker room cancer and a chronic malingerer. Remember, McD benched his ass early in the season before shipping him out anyways, he rode the pine. So it's not like the Broncos gave up anything to get Quinn...who is another no-op.

1 good year, 1 bad year in Cleveland = wash
Benched Player for Benched Player in Denver = wash

iat's a wash all the way around.

Pratty

2012-01-02 01:16:57 PM

ksobby: IlGreven:
And the curse is deserved...if not self inflicted by the fans, and the front office who listens to them rather than goes with their gut.

For instance, now there's talk about maybe using that high 1st to draft yet another quarterback. If that happens, it will signal the beginning of the end for Mike Holmgren, just like Phil Savage before him, and just like Carmen Policy before him. Especially since there are three positions on offense alone that need more help than the QB. One, they need a wideout that can actually catch a ball. Two, they need a good guard or tackle to shore up the right side, and probably another one to replace Steinbach. Three, they need a speedy every down back that doesn't have an injury history like Hardesty. And that's before we talk about the defense (how about a run-stopping LB and a safety, for starters? And I'd take another DE like Sheard.)

If Holmgren passes all that up to get another "savior" QB for the Browns just because the fans demand it, he deserves to be shown the door himself.

Not sure the fans are demanding a new QB. I haven't heard anyone other than the media talk about RGIII or trading up for Luck. The fans just want a pair of hands out there. Leading the league in drops for a young qb on his second offense in his first full season is unacceptable. The defense could be decent if they weren't on the field 70% of the game sucking wind. I put this season on Hillis and the wide receiving corps. Play calling wasn't great but it wasn't atrocious. The most annoying and constantly reoccurring play this season was when the qbs would constantly check down to the TEs on third and long because the qbs knew that the TEs were the only ones that could get separation and hold on to the ball - two yards short of the first down. It wouldn't be 3rd and long if a) Hillis had averaged at least 3.3 a carry on first and/or second (have to be in the game to do that) and b) there was a deep threat that the other team had to account f ...

In Sunday's thread, I discussed about the Colt McCoy thing and while perhaps not consensus nobody seems to believe in McCoy, which I find sad given the talent around him and facing Top 10 Ds ten times this year(Top 6 nine times).

/I want them to go all out on offense this draft
//Blackmon or trade down and grab an O-Lineman, Doug Martin, LaMichael James or Montee Ball, Nick Toon. Give your offense weapon possibilities everywhere.

Pratty

2012-01-02 01:18:22 PM

a sharp nail: He should just believe that he had a fluke season and isn't going to be worth whatever team signs him for.

Which is the truth.

One year wonder who unsuprisingly didn't work out.

ksobby

2012-01-02 01:57:58 PM

RAWISRADFORD: Ksobby

Not even close on McCoy (first do you really think mangini had any pull in the draft room- second everybody knows holmgrem pulled rank)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/ 2010/04/26/holmgren-pulled-rank- t o-draft-colt-mccoy/

As far as why Hillis was thrown out by Denver - your guess is as good as any - but he is part of this front offices legacy - I think brownies are smart to let him see what his value is and match it - I like him - tough runner, good hands)

I stand corrected ... my bad.

On the Hillis thing, I love his running style but that attitude .... man ... don't know if it's worth it. I'm all for keeping him IF there is someone on the roster that can smack him upside the head when he starts going retarded.

stebain

2012-01-02 03:26:33 PM

ksobby: / Really want to know if the Hillis/McDaniels' wife rumor has any truth to it.

Link (new window)

The Smails Kid

2012-01-02 04:03:09 PM

muwaryer: grow up in Colorado and then spend the last 20+ years in Cleveland.

You chose poorly.

ksobby

2012-01-02 04:18:01 PM

stebain: ksobby: / Really want to know if the Hillis/McDaniels' wife rumor has any truth to it.

Link (new window)

Damn. At least then I could have understood the trade.

muwaryer

2012-01-02 04:40:17 PM

The Smails Kid: muwaryer: grow up in Colorado and then spend the last 20+ years in Cleveland.

You chose poorly.

I can see why you might thing that, but.......ah hell, let's just leave it at "I can see why you might think that," and call it a day.

RAWISRADFORD

2012-01-02 06:04:50 PM

llgreven - living in Atlanta I am always reminded of that trade and was including it in my dream

I was being gready I want them to trade down to get 3 first rounders (or like 3 in the top 40)

Floyd - WR ND
Decastro - OG Stanford
Perry - DE USC

Ksobby - you are very correct, it's odd to see a smash mouth running back w/ a prima Donna WR attitude - lets hope someone does smack him - honestly I think life (a poor season) has already knocked him down a bit.

rka

2012-01-02 07:19:57 PM

ksobby: stebain: ksobby: / Really want to know if the Hillis/McDaniels' wife rumor has any truth to it.

Link (new window)

Damn. At least then I could have understood the trade.

Pretty easy to understand. Shanahan drafted him, but didn't deem to put him on the field until the Broncos went through about 6 other Running Backs due to injury in the 08' season. Seriously, they brought back a guy who was working at a cell phone kiosk in a mall (Tatum Bell) that year they were so thin. So even the guy who drafted him didn't see him as all that.

Then in 09' Hillis decides to fark up royally every time he touched the ball early in the season. So he sat. Probably pouted (and based on how he acted this year that's a pretty safe bet) and then got shipped out.

mc_madness

2012-01-02 08:53:48 PM

His steroids reached maximum potential...

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