If she wasn't making any money, why keep going back week after week.

BizarreMan: If she wasn't making any money, why keep going back week after week.

Oh they were making money but club owners fark them hard in "fees" for the privilege of dancing at their shiat hole clubs.

The basically get free labor from the women and the dancers keep about 25-50% of what they earn, its a racket.

This thread is worthless without pix, etc.

steamingpile: The basically get free labor from the women and the dancers keep about 25-50% of what they earn, its a racket.

Yep. The strip club owners know that nobody is easier to scam than a scammer.

OTOH, I'm guessing that a lot of goods and services were exchanged under the table. So that's nice.

Stripper: Pay me $324,000 in one dollar bills.

Club owner: OK

Stripper: How many one dollar bills would that be?


And now, a tender moment:

ArkAngel: Prater, in a 2006 interview, told the Daily News she once worked an eight-hour shift at Fantasies and took home just $8. She provided a two-week paycheck that showed she worked 23 hours in a pay period and earned just $7.41

And how much did you earn in unreported tips?

i'll give them a tip, know what i mean?

ArkAngel: Prater, in a 2006 interview, told the Daily News she once worked an eight-hour shift at Fantasies and took home just $8. She provided a two-week paycheck that showed she worked 23 hours in a pay period and earned just $7.41

And how much did you earn in unreported tips?

Exactly. Around here my understanding is that the strippers pay to be allowed to dance. They make their money off tips, not off what they are paid by the club.

Sumatra: Fraud, exploitation and misrepresentation at a strip club??

The next shocking thing you know they will find drugs in the strippers rooms!

"When I first did this, I went home with bloody feet from dancing in these shoes," Prater said at the time. "I deserve to get paid for what I do."

You "deserve" nothing. You agreed to take that job. Since the article does not mention any dispute in the cigned contract for employment, I can only assume that it is not an issue. You deserve to get what you agreed to. No more, no less.

Also, you are a stripper. Face it, nobody cares about you, they just want to see your boobies. So shut your whore mouth and look pretty.

Better wear the thigh highs AND the garters AND the panties to fit all the singles

I think the strip club owes me a couple of grand---stupid cover charges and water downed over-priced drinks.

wambu: Stripper: Pay me $324,000 in one dollar bills.

Club owner: OK

Stripper: How many one dollar bills would that be?


And now, a tender moment:
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This thread was better without pics, you ass.

What a tender moment might look like?

http://xkcd.com/980/

A strip club doing something shady? Say it aint so!!!

DeCypher44: Also, you are a stripper. Face it, nobody cares about you, they just want to see your boobies. So shut your whore mouth and look pretty.

LoneWolf343:

This thread was better without pics, you ass.

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My parents owned a strip club. Topless, about twenty years ago. There's nothing unethical about charging dancers a fee for the privilege of using the facilities to make money. They have access to the restrooms, the dressing room, and of course they have warmth and shelter for as long as they want to stick around (as long as you can stand the loud rock music). In our case, tt was never contingent upon how much money they made, but some high-end classier clubs do indded charge a percentage of a dancer's gross for the night.

Every dancer was charged a daily flat fee of about five bucks, regardless of what time they showed up or left for the day. This encouraged dancers to stick around longer and solved the problem of having no dancers around when you really needed them. It was simple, hassle-free, no paperwork or arguing over how much money they actually made. Even if they made nothing at all, they still paid for hanging around and being available for an opportunity.

The new owners were smarter about it, however. They demanded a higher fee for dancers who showed up later in the day or evening. This was in response to those more popular dancers who could show up for a couple hours on a Friday night and make a quick $300.

They were independent contactors and not true employees. The only paperwork they ever filled out was a simple home-made form asking for a stage name and a telephone number. No IRS forms, state forms, etc.

jsmilky: My parents owned a strip club. Topless, about twenty years ago. There's nothing unethical about charging dancers a fee for the privilege of using the facilities to make money. They have access to the restrooms, the dressing room, and of course they have warmth and shelter for as long as they want to stick around (as long as you can stand the loud rock music). In our case, tt was never contingent upon how much money they made, but some high-end classier clubs do indded charge a percentage of a dancer's gross for the night.

Every dancer was charged a daily flat fee of about five bucks, regardless of what time they showed up or left for the day. This encouraged dancers to stick around longer and solved the problem of having no dancers around when you really needed them. It was simple, hassle-free, no paperwork or arguing over how much money they actually made. Even if they made nothing at all, they still paid for hanging around and being available for an opportunity.

The new owners were smarter about it, however. They demanded a higher fee for dancers who showed up later in the day or evening. This was in response to those more popular dancers who could show up for a couple hours on a Friday night and make a quick $300.

They were independent contactors and not true employees. The only paperwork they ever filled out was a simple home-made form asking for a stage name and a telephone number. No IRS forms, state forms, etc.

So your parents are/were scumbags who took advantage of the poor and desperate, understood.

/csb

jsmilky: My parents owned a strip club. Topless, about twenty years ago. There's nothing unethical about charging dancers a fee for the privilege of using the facilities to make money. They have access to the restrooms, the dressing room, and of course they have warmth and shelter for as long as they want to stick around (as long as you can stand the loud rock music). In our case, tt was never contingent upon how much money they made, but some high-end classier clubs do indded charge a percentage of a dancer's gross for the night.

Every dancer was charged a daily flat fee of about five bucks, regardless of what time they showed up or left for the day. This encouraged dancers to stick around longer and solved the problem of having no dancers around when you really needed them. It was simple, hassle-free, no paperwork or arguing over how much money they actually made. Even if they made nothing at all, they still paid for hanging around and being available for an opportunity.

The new owners were smarter about it, however. They demanded a higher fee for dancers who showed up later in the day or evening. This was in response to those more popular dancers who could show up for a couple hours on a Friday night and make a quick $300.

They were independent contactors and not true employees. The only paperwork they ever filled out was a simple home-made form asking for a stage name and a telephone number. No IRS forms, state forms, etc.

What racket was your parents really into, that this was the front for?

BizarreMan: If she wasn't making any money, why keep going back week after week.

And that's the $64,000 question. Nobody goes back to a job where their feet are bloodied, and where they're only making 8.00 a week, week after week, unless shiat is going down off the books.

Even strippers, who some of you seem to regard as subhuman, are entitled to the protection of federal labor laws.

Tipped employees can not be required to share their tips with the management or anyone else. However that said, I'm certain that the arrangement at this strip club is pretty much standard practice in the industry. The vast majority of money flowing into one of these establishments is in the form of one-dollar bills and you gotta pay the DJ somehow, although from the sound of it this club was pretty greedy with the tip money. Even though this is standard practice, you can only be so greedy with your employees tips before you should start expecting lawsuits.

Why did these ladies wait over five years though? That fact alone makes me want to side with management, and I was a waiter and bartender for 12 years. Because even though I was never legally obligated to, I'm sure I tipped out six figures during my career and was happy to do so. Dredging up ancient history like this sounds like a money grab to me.

This story amuses me because I found out last week that one of my coworkers that recently moved up here from South Beach moonlights at a Seattle Deja Vu. And she is REALLY not that attractive.

/I manage a bunch of catty biatches
//once this info makes the rounds she's toast

Grables'Daughter: gilgamesh23: Even strippers, who some of you seem to regard as subhuman, are entitled to the protection of federal labor laws.

Sure, but it's not like we are playing by the rules, exactly either.

We get lots of tips, which is where we make our money. And I don't know of a single girl that reports these tips to the IRS.

So, I see what you are saying, but it's not like we are working in a steel mill and are being exploited. Sure, we have to pay to work there, but girls that know what they are doing can do very well, despite how the system is set up.

/ecdysiast

You seem like a nice person and all but I'm not sure you want to flaunt the fact that you are not reporting your income to the IRS.

You might wind up as a thread on this very site.

Your co-workers too.

Most are so ignorant as to how to run a strip club.

Most of the customers come in and nurse a drink all night so waiters and bar tenders don't make the normal pay they would make at a regular club. From what I have seen, dancers are independent contractors, they pay $65 to $75 per night to work and then pay manager 10% to floor managers/bouncers and 25% to waitress and bartenders. Bartenders take care of the bar backs. At a second tier club dancers make $300 and up, net. More if then do the HJs, BJs or ride the pole.

Club makes money off of entrance fees, liquor and dancer fees. Managers make $25K per year plus tips, waiters and bartenders make $2.15hr which nets to zero are imputed tip revenue.

I don't know how it is in Alaska but that is how it is where I live.

Grables'Daughter: So, I see what you are saying, but it's not like we are working in a steel mill and are being exploited. Sure, we have to pay to work there, but girls that know what they are doing can do very well, despite how the system is set up.

And that was sort of my point. The money gets spread around and everybody is happy. As a waiter I never complained if I "had" to tip out $200 to my busboys and bartenders some night because that meant I was walking away with a shiatload of cash. I'm sure it's the same way in a strip club. When it's good, it's good.

But when they management has its hands in the kitty and the tip skimming goes too far it might stop being just "how the system is set up" and move into theft territory. There's no magic percentage, but someone getting tipped would know it if they saw it.

Urinal Cake Mix: This story amuses me because I found out last week that one of my coworkers that recently moved up here from South Beach moonlights at a Seattle Deja Vu. And she is REALLY not that attractive.

/I manage a bunch of catty biatches
//once this info makes the rounds she's toast

To be honest, since when do strippers (or any sex worker) have to be attractive? More often than not, not. Models don't strip. Can she carry herself like sex, though? If she can, that's sexier than being photogenic. Photogenic can't rub you down. Attitude can.

Now, does your co-worker actually moonlight, or was that just a rumor someone started to be a biatch? Maybe she carries herself differently for paying customers than she does at the office. *shrug* might be interesting to see.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Urinal Cake Mix: This story amuses me because I found out last week that one of my coworkers that recently moved up here from South Beach moonlights at a Seattle Deja Vu. And she is REALLY not that attractive.

/I manage a bunch of catty biatches
//once this info makes the rounds she's toast

To be honest, since when do strippers (or any sex worker) have to be attractive? More often than not, not. Models don't strip. Can she carry herself like sex, though? If she can, that's sexier than being photogenic. Photogenic can't rub you down. Attitude can.

Now, does your co-worker actually moonlight, or was that just a rumor someone started to be a biatch? Maybe she carries herself differently for paying customers than she does at the office. *shrug* might be interesting to see.

No, she straight up admitted it. She doesn't have what I would consider to be a stripper's body, but I know everyone's tastes can be different. I could never dance around on stage half naked and I weigh about 20 pounds less than her. If she's got the confidence to do it, more power to her.

However, she also claims to be dating a Seahawks player, so who really knows how full of shiat she is.

I hope they win. And then i hope they remember to report all this income to the IRS.

Tebow> Strippers> "Regulars"> Cancer> Strip club owners

/Former Emcee and strip club manager

T.M.S.: Grables'Daughter: gilgamesh23: Even strippers, who some of you seem to regard as subhuman, are entitled to the protection of federal labor laws.

Sure, but it's not like we are playing by the rules, exactly either.

We get lots of tips, which is where we make our money. And I don't know of a single girl that reports these tips to the IRS.

So, I see what you are saying, but it's not like we are working in a steel mill and are being exploited. Sure, we have to pay to work there, but girls that know what they are doing can do very well, despite how the system is set up.

/ecdysiast

You seem like a nice person and all but I'm not sure you want to flaunt the fact that you are not reporting your income to the IRS.

You might wind up as a thread on this very site.

Your co-workers too.

I'm sure the IRS already knows, along with everyone who submits a W2 from a restaurant.

ZAZ: I'm sure the IRS already knows, along with everyone who submits a W2 from a restaurant.

In 2002 the Supreme Court ruled that the IRS was allowed to assume restaurant workers lied about tips, and assess tax accordingly.

Really? I always put in my full tips, but that's because I'm a sucker. It ticked me off when I saw a girl work an 8 hour shift and enter $10 for her tips.

Urinal Cake Mix: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Urinal Cake Mix:
No, she straight up admitted it. She doesn't have what I would consider to be a stripper's body

Wasn't Deja Vu's advertising slogan at one time "29 pretty girls and one ugly one".
There ya go.

gilgamesh23: Even strippers, who some of you seem to regard as subhuman, are entitled to the protection of federal labor laws.

They really don't want that. Right now, the system is set up so they are essentially contractors who work with the strip clubs. Some of what they make goes to the clubs. The girls still make a shiat-ton of money.

If they are required to be treated as regular employees, here's what happens. The clubs pay the strippers. The strippers no longer keep their tips, the tip money goes to the clubs. Just like when you work at McDonalds, you don't get to keep the money when someone pays for a Big Mac, and when you work at Fry's, you don't get to keep the money when someone buys a new TV. For those of you saying "This is different, the girls are entertainment", well, when a bar hires a band, then the bar pays the band, and the bar collects cover charge at the door. The money goes through the bar. And that band is entertainment just like the strippers are.

The strippers make a lot more money the way things are, as contractors, than if they turn into "employees".

I'm not at all bothered that the club makes money off of them. Without the club, the strippers wouldn't be able to strip. Rent, electricity, paying the doorman, the bouncers, the DJ, etc, all that costs money. If the strippers expect to get paid hundreds a night, keep all the money, and the club make nothing, pretty soon the strippers have no clubs to work in. I suppose they can go into street prostitution or something, but I doubt that's what they want, as they could do that now.

Dredging up ancient history like this sounds like a money grab to me.

If you check into who is suing, my guess is you'll find that the girls who are trying to sue are no longer dancing. They get older, the tips go away, and since they didn't plan ahead, they've blown all their money, they no longer have a big income, and they have no skills other than undressing and doing drugs.

So they go crying to a lawyer and sue.

MrSid: LoneWolf343:

This thread was better without pics, you ass.

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That's better.

/You probably could have posted it here. You don't see anything.

LoneWolf343: MrSid: LoneWolf343:

/You probably could have posted it here. You don't see anything.

Just being overly cautious of the well known tender sensibilities of my fellow farkers.