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2012-01-01 01:26:58 PM
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NPR Dec 2011
The powerful pro-Israel lobby and a leading Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday endorsed tough sanctions on Iran's Central Bank as Congress wrestles with an Obama administration plea to ease the impact of the penalties to avoid driving up oil prices.
In a letter to lawmakers, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee said the sanctions would contribute to the U.S. effort to pressure Tehran economically and could dissuade Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon. Separately, the American Jewish Committee wrote to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backing the penalties that would target foreign financial institutions that do business with the Central Bank.
Last week, the Senate voted 100-0 for an amendment by Sens. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to add the sanctions to a broad defense bill. House and Senate negotiators are meeting this week to try to iron out the differences between their respective bills and produce a final version of the legislation for President Barack Obama's signature.
NJ Jewish News
Menendez said their opposition undermined a compromise he struck with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on legislation that was eventually passed in the Senate by a vote of 100-0.
The White House countered that the Kirk-Menendez amendment could actually help the Iranian economy if foreign banks resisted American unilateral efforts.
This week Menendez stood by his approach on sanctions, which he developed in consultation with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

Background

The Israeli-U.S.-Iranian triangle had shifted remarkably in just a few years. In the 1980s,Israel was the unlikely defender ofand apologist for Iran in Washington,taking great risks to pressure the Reagan administration to open up channels ofcommunication with Iran.Now,Israel did the oppo- site.Israel wanted the United States to put Iran under economic and politi- cal siege. Shimon Peres's New Middle East and the American policy of Dual Containment that went into effect in 1993 after more than a year ofIs- raeli pressure would all but write Iran's isolation into law. 181
But the prevailing view in the Israeli government was that a U.S.-Iran dialogue would not benefit Israel because Iran was interested only in reduc- ing tensions with Washington-not with Israel."What the Iranians want is to have the U.S.recognize them as a regional superpower in the Middle East,"Israeli Gen.Amos Gilad argued. Just as it did in the Iran-Contra affair and the Lebanese hostage negotiations with Washington in the early 1990s,Iran would try to cut Israel out ofthe deal because Israel itself couldn't offer Tehran anything it needed. 181
This was particularly true ifU.S.-Iran relations were put in a global context,in which Washington needed to maintain some influence over Iran and its gas and oil reserves in order to keep the United States'future geopo- litical rival-China-in check."A small state is always worried that a global ally will make a deal in which it takes a global view ofthe deal and forget about local details that for a local actor are very important,"Rabinovich ex- plained. Apprehension that Washington would "sell Israel out"and pur- sue its own interests in a U.S.-Iran dialogue weighed heavily on the minds of Israeli strategists. Because Israel viewed a U.S.-Iran dialogue as a greater threat than that ofIran itself,the optimal strategy was to prevent a dialogue from materializing in the first place. This provided the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC),the most potent pro-Israeli lobby group in the United States,with a new cause to rally around. 182
Rabin had always had a prob- lematic relationship with American Jewish organizations,partly because of his secular inclinations and upbringing,but mainly because ofwhat he per- ceived as repeated attempts by American Jewish leaders to sideline Israel's government (particularly its Labor governments) by approaching the U.S. administration on Israel's behalf.Lobbying the administration should be off-limits to AIPAC,he insisted,whereas Capitol Hill was fair game. "He felt that the community had become too big ofa part ofthe bilateral [U.S.- Israel] relationship," 183
Israel's new push against Iran pro- vided AIPAC with an opportunity to reinvent itselfin the Oslo era,when its traditional function ofcountering Arab influence in Washington had be- come obsolete."AIPAC made Iran a major issue since they didn't have any other issue to champion,"said Shai Feldman ofthe Jaffee Center for Strate- gic Studies in Tel Aviv."The U.S.was in favor ofthe peace process,so what would they push for?" AIPAC needed a new issue,and Israel needed help in turning Washington against Iran.It was a win-win situation. 183
By mid-1994,Israel and AIPAC turned the full force oftheir diplomatic and lobby power against Iran.Rabin's advisers requested that he ask the West to impose "some potent economic sanctions against Iran."75 This wasn't an easy task,because even though Iran wasn't a popular country in the United States,it wasn't considered a threat.But whatever challenges lay ahead,they could be resolved with AIPAC's help.Rabin held a teleconfer- ence with U.S.Jewish leaders in September 1994 to coordinate the strategy. His message was clear-Iran was the greatest threat to Middle East peace. "Behind [the Palestinian rejectionists] there is an Islamic country,Iran,that in addition tries to develop in the coming seven to fifteen years nuclear weapons and ground-to-ground missiles that can reach every part ofthe Middle East,"he said. 184
 
2012-01-01 01:27:47 PM
Good for them.
 
2012-01-01 01:29:14 PM
In Rod We Trust
 
2012-01-01 01:29:36 PM
Actual nuclear weapons in former Soviet territory is about sixty hundred times more worrisome than this, and yet the world has not ended.
 
2012-01-01 01:30:05 PM
Needs more rod pics.
 
2012-01-01 01:30:50 PM
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2012-01-01 01:30:57 PM
Israel is about to blow some shiat up.
 
2012-01-01 01:31:00 PM
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2012-01-01 01:31:58 PM
photoshopping doesn't count, ahmadinejad. Just sayin.
 
2012-01-01 01:32:35 PM
boogey boogey boo!
 
2012-01-01 01:36:01 PM

9beers: Israel is about to blow some shiat up.


And yet Iran is the bad guy if it retaliates.
 
2012-01-01 01:36:23 PM

Rapmaster2000: Needs more rod pics.


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2012-01-01 01:38:37 PM

strife: Rapmaster2000: Needs more rod pics.

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Rod (ney)

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2012-01-01 01:38:40 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: 9beers: Israel is about to blow some shiat up.

And yet Iran is the bad guy if it retaliates.


You are anti-semetic for levelling any criticism at Israel.
 
2012-01-01 01:39:41 PM
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2012-01-01 01:39:56 PM
What those fuel rods will look like shortly:
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2012-01-01 01:40:12 PM

FuturePastNow: Good for them.


If it is for fuel for a power plant, yes.

Otherwise...
 
2012-01-01 01:40:13 PM

Iranian scientists have produced the nation's first nuclear fuel rod, a feat of engineering the West has doubted Tehran capable of, the country's nuclear agency said Sunday.


um...the technology is well documented, very stable and getting kinda old. if the US hadn't gotten in the way Iran would already have had a well developed domestic nuclear powerplant program. we cannot stop Iran from developing nuclear technology. If they want reactors and/or weapons, they'll eventually get them. it just takes time and money plus the will to do it. Iran apparently has all three.

we can slow them down, piss them off and make it really expensive...but short of invading Iran and executing everyone involved in their nuclear development program, Iran WILL get nukes. its just a matter of time.
 
2012-01-01 01:42:11 PM

RandomAxe: Actual nuclear weapons in former Soviet territory is about sixty hundred times more worrisome than this, and yet the world has not ended.


Russia is too big to invade, so we don't need an excuse.
 
2012-01-01 01:43:18 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: FuturePastNow: Good for them.

If it is for fuel for a power plant, yes.

Otherwise...


the news article is a bit vague on the TYPE of reactor Iran is trying to build. it takes quite a lot of effort to produce weapons grade nuclear fuel. And as I understand it, civilian reactors can't (under most circumstances) produce military grade material. you could even build a type of reactor that is physically impossible to turn into weapons grade bomb making materials.
 
2012-01-01 01:46:00 PM

Weaver95: Iran WILL get nukes. its just a matter of time.


Well, they would need HEU. Fuel rods, not so much.

What fuel rods give them is increased oil for export.

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Letting Iran develop its nuclear program would allow Iran to reduce its internal consumption of oil and release more oil into the international markets. However, this would also give Iran more economic revenues on oil sales, giving it more clout against regional Israeli influence that is seen by some as a zero sum game.

This moves into the push and pull between sometimes stated US goals for increased unrestricted flow of oil on world markets that has easily measured benefits on the US and connected economies -- to other groups effots stop Irans increased clout against Israel.
 
2012-01-01 01:47:51 PM
Weaver95

wrong graph

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2012-01-01 01:47:59 PM

Weaver95: the news article is a bit vague on the TYPE of reactor Iran is trying to build. it takes quite a lot of effort to produce weapons grade nuclear fuel. And as I understand it, civilian reactors can't (under most circumstances) produce military grade material. you could even build a type of reactor that is physically impossible to turn into weapons grade bomb making materials.


Right. But since Iran is curiously circumspect in letting international inspectors in to verify what they are doing, many people are assuming the worst.

I wonder why they are being so secretive?
 
2012-01-01 01:48:32 PM

MrSid: strife: Rapmaster2000: Needs more rod pics.

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Rod (ney)

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2012-01-01 01:49:23 PM
Weaver95:

we can slow them down, piss them off and make it really expensive...but short of invading Iran and executing everyone involved in their nuclear development program, Iran WILL get nukes. its just a matter of time.

And they have every reason to do so... G.W. Bush gave Ahmadinejad and the hardliners the best re-election present ever by listing them on the "Axis of Evil." And look how it turned out for the other non-nuclear member of that club.

Nuclear power makes strategic sense for Iran. Sure, they have plenty of oil, but they have practically no refining capability, they ship it elsewhere for refining and the west could use that as a choke point. Better to save the oil to sell to everyone else and make use of the large reserves of uranium that they also have.

For the same reason, schemes to have Russia handle all their fuel processing were doomed to failure. Russia hasn't been shy about cutting off energy supplies to other countries when they have a snit.
 
2012-01-01 01:49:30 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: And yet Iran is the bad guy if it retaliates.


Iran is already the bad guy.
 
2012-01-01 01:49:52 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: But since Iran is curiously circumspect in letting international inspectors in to verify what they are doing, many people are assuming the worst.

I wonder why they are being so secretive?


2002 called. They wanted their hyperbole back.
 
2012-01-01 01:51:27 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Right. But since Iran is curiously circumspect in letting international inspectors in to verify what they are doing, many people are assuming the worst.

I wonder why they are being so secretive?


Maybe because the last guy who let international inspectors in got invaded and hanged even after proving he had nothing to hide?
 
2012-01-01 01:53:03 PM

Weaver95: Iranian scientists have produced the nation's first nuclear fuel rod, a feat of engineering the West has doubted Tehran capable of, the country's nuclear agency said Sunday.


um...the technology is well documented, very stable and getting kinda old. if the US hadn't gotten in the way Iran would already have had a well developed domestic nuclear powerplant program. we cannot stop Iran from developing nuclear technology. If they want reactors and/or weapons, they'll eventually get them. it just takes time and money plus the will to do it. Iran apparently has all three.

we can slow them down, piss them off and make it really expensive...but short of invading Iran and executing everyone involved in their nuclear development program, Iran WILL get nukes. its just a matter of time.


Bullshiat, technological advancement can easily be stopped dead in its tracks. My friends and I have almost finished our multigenerational goal of preventing the talkie from replacing silent film.
 
2012-01-01 01:53:27 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: 9beers: Israel is about to blow some shiat up.

And yet Iran is the bad guy if it retaliates.


Iran is already the bad guy for planning to "wipe Israel off the map". Working on nuclear technology necessitates action, most likely a strike.
 
2012-01-01 01:54:20 PM

Weaver95: we can slow them down, piss them off and make it really expensive...but short of invading Iran and executing everyone involved in their nuclear development program, Iran WILL get nukes. its just a matter of time.


Say they do get a bomb, as does North Korea and everyone else the US doesn't like. What then? Is there a reason to believe these countries will use them? Is it a reasonable stance, that they will? Besides a lot of saber-rattling and self-defense talk, would a country offensively use such a weapon, either as a first strike or as a last resort in a conflict? Or would they not, with the understanding that the entire world will go crazy on them?

In this instance, Iran threatens to eradicate Israel. Would they really do that? What would be a long-term international consequence for Iran? Moreover, is it our responsibility to ensure Iran does not (i.e. preemptive war)?

/am quite curious to the answers, and any questions they bring up
 
2012-01-01 01:55:08 PM
Now that they have one, they can use the clone tool to make as many as they need.
 
2012-01-01 01:55:18 PM
Rod

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2012-01-01 01:57:01 PM
Wow, at this rate they will soon be reaching 1950s technology.
 
2012-01-01 01:58:50 PM

Arkanaut: In Rod We Trust


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2012-01-01 02:00:20 PM
The brother doubles its power -

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2012-01-01 02:00:22 PM
Actually, I kind of feel sorry for them...

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2012-01-01 02:00:29 PM
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Look, she has a rod, I got a rod, she and I should totally hook up!
 
2012-01-01 02:01:15 PM
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obscure?
 
2012-01-01 02:06:45 PM
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2012-01-01 02:07:59 PM

Rapmaster2000: Needs more rod pics.


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2012-01-01 02:08:35 PM
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2012-01-01 02:10:37 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy:

I wonder why they are being so secretive?


In the Middle East, it's all about posturing and bluffing. Look at Saddam Hussein -- he wanted everybody to THINK he had chemical weapons, so every time inspectors showed up at an inspection site, they saw the tail end of a big convoy leaving.
 
2012-01-01 02:11:03 PM
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Look at that majestic rod
 
2012-01-01 02:13:47 PM
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Farva's number one!
 
2012-01-01 02:14:55 PM

Weaver95: short of invading Iran and executing everyone involved in their nuclear development program, Iran WILL get nukes. its just a matter of time.


We didn't leave Afghanistan to bring our troops home you know. Iran will never have nukes, even if America has to bomb the Iranian nuclear plants with newborn babies to manage it.

We will not stop until we have meddled with every country in the middle east! It worked out so well for us in the past, we can't stop now.
 
2012-01-01 02:17:20 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Inquisitive Inquisitor: 9beers: Israel is about to blow some shiat up.

And yet Iran is the bad guy if it retaliates.

Iran is already the bad guy for planning to "wipe Israel off the map". Working on nuclear technology necessitates action, most likely a strike.


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/amirite?
 
2012-01-01 02:18:23 PM

twfeline: In the Middle East, it's all about posturing and bluffing. Look at Saddam Hussein -- he wanted everybody to THINK he had chemical weapons, so every time inspectors showed up at an inspection site, they saw the tail end of a big convoy leaving.


Exactly. And look how well it turned out for him.

If it is only for fuel purposes, why not be above board with it (as UN treaties require)? Since they are not being above board, what is the rest of the world supposed to think?
 
2012-01-01 02:21:37 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Weaver95: the news article is a bit vague on the TYPE of reactor Iran is trying to build. it takes quite a lot of effort to produce weapons grade nuclear fuel. And as I understand it, civilian reactors can't (under most circumstances) produce military grade material. you could even build a type of reactor that is physically impossible to turn into weapons grade bomb making materials.

Right. But since Iran is curiously circumspect in letting international inspectors in to verify what they are doing, many people are assuming the worst.

I wonder why they are being so secretive?


when was the last time Israel let international inspectors in to see their nuclear reactors and stockpiles? Hell Israel isn't even a signatory to the NPT
 
2012-01-01 02:22:42 PM
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