ZAZ: I can finish that:

FDA worried that permanent shortage of Adderall and other ADHD drugs could lead to oversupply of children behaving like children.

Someone never spent an entire summer working with kids with ADHD.

/Brilliantly creative kids
//But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together
///You can make it happen with a shiatton of effort, but as soon as you let go for even a second, they'll come apart

It's a good thing the DEA doesn't regulate vaccines.

Caffeine will work just as well.

Bah, no shortage of weed.

Fireproof: ZAZ: I can finish that:

FDA worried that permanent shortage of Adderall and other ADHD drugs could lead to oversupply of children behaving like children.

Someone never spent an entire summer working with kids with ADHD.

/Brilliantly creative kids
//But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together
///You can make it happen with a shiatton of effort, but as soon as you let go for even a second, they'll come apart


So, it's too hard and requires too much effort to teach children some self control so we should drug them?

there's no such thing as adhd. just bad parents.

All_Farked_Up: Caffeine will work just as well.

I've tried that. It's OK for short periods of time, but is way, way more unpredictable and thus unreliable. While working at Starbucks, I tried just drinking the coffee. I'd either be so wired that I wouldn't sleep at night 12 hours later, or I'd run out of focus halfway through my shift.

A specialist in ADD meds told me that coffee has a million factors, like the kind of beans, how long they were roasted, and the exact amount that was in that particular cup of coffee.

Adderall shortage? Oh, hell no! I'm still a year from graduating!!!

Can't these people just make some Shake and Bake?

SDRR: Fireproof: ZAZ: I can finish that:

FDA worried that permanent shortage of Adderall and other ADHD drugs could lead to oversupply of children behaving like children.

Someone never spent an entire summer working with kids with ADHD.

/Brilliantly creative kids
//But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together
///You can make it happen with a shiatton of effort, but as soon as you let go for even a second, they'll come apart


So, it's too hard and requires too much effort to teach children some self control so we should drug them?

1/10.

Hobodeluxe: there's no such thing as adhd. just bad parents.

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What are you a shill for big pharma?

The good news is that the shortage seems to vary from state to state. No problems getting it here in NC, at least when I last had insurance in September.

Fireproof: //But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together

I have ADD, I use the same concept to describe what it is like to try and focus on a task. I can push myself towards it, but the slightest distraction and my focus slips off the topic like your magnets.

It's so freaking weird especially when its something I WANT to do but can't keep the focus.

So, while in general I like to say fark you DEA, in this case I really mean it because they are keeping me from something that has really helped me.

All_Farked_Up: Caffeine will work just as well.

Yep.

My 8 year old is ever so slightly ADHD, and a cup of coffee in the morning mellows her out all morning... and if she has something REALLY important to focus on in the afternoon, her teacher knows to give her another cup right after lunch.

///Have threatened her with a giant gerbil wheel more than once
///She just giggles and wants to know if I can really get one
///*sigh* LOL

kim jong-un: Fireproof: //But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together

I have ADD, I use the same concept to describe what it is like to try and focus on a task. I can push myself towards it, but the slightest distraction and my focus slips off the topic like your magnets.

It's so freaking weird especially when its something I WANT to do but can't keep the focus.

So, while in general I like to say fark you DEA, in this case I really mean it because they are keeping me from something that has really helped me.

Might I also add a "Fark you US healthcare system." As posted above, my insurance ran out in September, and I haven't been able to afford the stupid-high price of Adderall without it.

need to get the kids hooked on legal drugs as young as possible

Well, I guess it's back to the old way,

Fireproof SmartestFunniest 2012-01-01 10:31:53 AM


ZAZ: I can finish that:

FDA worried that permanent shortage of Adderall and other ADHD drugs could lead to oversupply of children behaving like children.

Someone never spent an entire summer working with kids with ADHD.

/Brilliantly creative kids
//But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together
///You can make it happen with a shiatton of effort, but as soon as you let go for even a second, they'll come apart

I have ADD, I can't tell you how thankful i am I didnt get druged. Im of the opinion that ADD isn't a disorder, its an alternative way of thinking. I can't focus on 1 thing at a time, but i can multi-task a "normal person" in circles. I have also noticed I tend to be a better critical thinker than "normal people." Not necessarily smarter, but better at crunching a bunch of scenarios together to predict an outcome.
/Dont put me anywhere near a checklist

Nooooo!

The kids will start waking up to the shiatty world of yuppies they've been born into!

Jesus f***! What if they stop growing up to be middle management?

There are too many drugs in this world. It's poison our water and everything else. Oh look, a three eyed Bass, isn't that interesting?

Fireproof: All_Farked_Up: Caffeine will work just as well.

I've tried that. It's OK for short periods of time, but is way, way more unpredictable and thus unreliable. While working at Starbucks, I tried just drinking the coffee. I'd either be so wired that I wouldn't sleep at night 12 hours later, or I'd run out of focus halfway through my shift.

A specialist in ADD meds told me that coffee has a million factors, like the kind of beans, how long they were roasted, and the exact amount that was in that particular cup of coffee.

And they don't get to write you a script for coffee?

Interceptor1: There are too many drugs in this world. It's poison our water and everything else. Oh look, a three eyed Bass, isn't that interesting?

those are the fun drugs

Combining my own experiences and the posts in this thread, I'm beginning to think that us AADers are really good at analogies.

/Also, ADD Farkers: Check out the documentary "ADD and Loving It?!" It will change your farking life
//Saw it a year ago today on PBS, might be airing again for all I know
///Also available as a $3 download from Amazon

1 in 10 are ADHA according to the article.

That is over diagnosis, which the article seems to admit given the concerns about college students being prescribed the drug. If people at a college student age are being misdiagnosed than it reasons that younger people are also being misdiagnosed.

i'm all for unruely crotchdropens to be druged on airoplanes

Fireproof: /Brilliantly creative kids
//But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together
///You can make it happen with a shiatton of effort, but as soon as you let go for even a second, they'll come apart

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's clear to the rest of us that it's YOU who has the problem(s).

Shadow Blasko: Screw Barr Pharmaceutical!

/My Dexedrine went from $87 a month, to $240!

(Same amphetamine salts that are used in Adderall are in dexedrine)

Thanks for not blaming us pharmacists.

Where we run into problems is with insurance companies. Some are still only paying us $87 when the drug cost us $200, which is not a good way to stay in business. I didn't stock generic Ritalin for the last 4 months because the only generic I could get cost me $60/100 for 10mg and insurance companies only were paying $15/100. I was finally able to get our old manufacture's back in on Friday @ $7/100.

JeffreyScott: 1 in 10 are ADHA according to the article.

That is over diagnosis, which the article seems to admit given the concerns about college students being prescribed the drug. If people at a college student age are being misdiagnosed than it reasons that younger people are also being misdiagnosed.

Not really. College students are intentionally lying about their symptoms in order to get drugs they don't truly need so that they can study better/stay up later. I've had college-age people ask to buy Adderall from me on many occasions. Kids and their parents don't have that much motivation.

Also, a certain percentage of ADD kids tend to "grow out" of it as their brains develop. But definitely not all of them.

Gdalescrboz: I have ADD, I can't tell you how thankful i am I didnt get druged. Im of the opinion that ADD isn't a disorder, its an alternative way of thinking. I can't focus on 1 thing at a time, but i can multi-task a "normal person" in circles. I have also noticed I tend to be a better critical thinker than "normal people." Not necessarily smarter, but better at crunching a bunch of scenarios together to predict an outcome.
/Dont put me anywhere near a checklist

Me too, and I'm really good in chaotic situations. Anyway I figure we are the way we are for a reason and instead of looking at it as a disorder(unless it's really debilitating and prevents a person from functioning at all) maybe we could try to benefit from the talents of ADD folks instead of drugging them into submission.

kim jong-un: Fireproof: //But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together

I have ADD, I use the same concept to describe what it is like to try and focus on a task. I can push myself towards it, but the slightest distraction and my focus slips off the topic like your magnets.

It's so freaking weird especially when its something I WANT to do but can't keep the focus.

So, while in general I like to say fark you DEA, in this case I really mean it because they are keeping me from something that has really helped me.

google 'be here now' for a helpful concentration technique how-to

StoneColdAtheist: Fireproof: /Brilliantly creative kids
//But getting them to focus us like getting to magnets with the same polarity to stay together
///You can make it happen with a shiatton of effort, but as soon as you let go for even a second, they'll come apart

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's clear to the rest of us that it's YOU who has the problem(s).

Come on now, if you're going to troll, at least do something that hasn't already been done in this thread.

Just to clarify, this teaching was at a summer camp for kids with ADHD. This wasn't just some armchair diagnosis on my part.

Fromageball: Gdalescrboz: I have ADD, I can't tell you how thankful i am I didnt get druged. Im of the opinion that ADD isn't a disorder, its an alternative way of thinking. I can't focus on 1 thing at a time, but i can multi-task a "normal person" in circles. I have also noticed I tend to be a better critical thinker than "normal people." Not necessarily smarter, but better at crunching a bunch of scenarios together to predict an outcome.
/Dont put me anywhere near a checklist

Me too, and I'm really good in chaotic situations. Anyway I figure we are the way we are for a reason and instead of looking at it as a disorder(unless it's really debilitating and prevents a person from functioning at all) maybe we could try to benefit from the talents of ADD folks instead of drugging them into submission.

Seriously, I've never understood the point of drugging people with all these alleged "Disorders" to make them think the same way as everyone else. I've been diagnosed with a couple myself and ignored it. I know how my mind works, the fact that it's different from how most people think (most likely) isn't a big deal to me. In any case it sounds like all that most of these drugs do for anyone is turn them into a zombie, although I'm sure there's plenty of legitimate applications for more extreme cases.

I used Adderal from '98-'00. The first day I took it, I remember driving home and saying, "....OF COURSE! OF COURSE!" It was amazing. After a couple of years, I decided to stop when (a) I took an easier career and didn't need the extreme focus and (b) I was a little freaked out by side effects.

Let me tell you as a Disc Golfer...When I was on that stuff, I could REALLY FEEL the plastic of the Golf Disc on my fingertips as I released it. Footwork felt crisp and under control. Now and before? Not nearly so. I usually lose focus between the pullback of the Disc and release, and on every third or fourth drive, I release early and it careens off course to the left by a large margin with too little spin. Footwork is sometimes clumsy. I usually end up on my tippy-toes without realizing it, robbing my drives of power.

As a kid and now I was never athletic, but had a great arm (for baseball in those days). That tippy-toe problem drove my coach nuts when I was at bat. He swore he was going to put a board at my height in the batting cage that required me to stay down...

/the Gerald Laird of my high school conference...threw out 15/29 base stealers my senior year, batted .190

Artificial shortage caused by the DEA and pharm companies being in bed together. Results in skyrocketing prices and obscene profits for the pharms.

And I'm on the "Don't drug kids into zombies" side despite being ADHD myself. I hated every moment I was on that damn stuff even more than being scatterbrained. I lost my creativity. I lost what little social grace I had. I lost my appetite. And my scalp crawled.

There are truly kids with ADHD. But it is likely that there is a bit of over-diagnosis going on nation wide. Consider: if a kid acts up in school and it's a minor behavioral problem that can be fixed with a change in parenting or other habits, nobody is making any money. If we can get that kid to a doctor and diagnose him with something that requires drugs, the doctors get regular visits, the drug companies get a regular flow of prescriptions, insurance companies stay employed keeping tabs on the visits, the prescriptions, doling out payments, tracking deductibles, etc. Those kids are gold mines!

Need Help Soonish: All_Farked_Up: Caffeine will work just as well.

Yep.

My 8 year old is ever so slightly ADHD, and a cup of coffee in the morning mellows her out all morning... and if she has something REALLY important to focus on in the afternoon, her teacher knows to give her another cup right after lunch.

///Have threatened her with a giant gerbil wheel more than once
///She just giggles and wants to know if I can really get one
///*sigh* LOL

Awesome