I say this as someone who is very liberal, very anti-rampant consumerism and someone who thinks that killing CEOs should be considered an allowable form of protest against a corporation's practices. Yeah, the constant toeing of the line and childishness constantly displayed by the protestors are really making me start to swing towards the camp off the people whose main argument against them is "Sell the Apple product your parents bought you".

"Give me one good reason why I should get down."

Well, you're an American so that means you are really likely to sue the park, sue the cops and sue anyone and everyone when you fall off and get a boo boo. This is what government officials call "risk management".

With Obama signing the NDAA into law last night, there's a good chance the Occupy crowd will be residing in Guantanamo next month.

Is that....a sling shot he's holding up ?

FriarReb98: Ennuipoet: OK, kids, I like your thinking, I agree with the basic tenets you speak of. You did a great job getting the country talking. Now, it is time to leave the park and move on to the next idea. You are coming across as a spoiled child trying to sneak into their toy box after having a favorite doll taken away.

This is why so much of the nation thinks you are spoiled slackers.

This. They're totally making it all about having the right to be in the park and absolutely not about any of the intelligent yet unlikely things they want economically.

You are both dead on.

They got the debate going. Hats off. Now It's time for what's next.

Thousands of people across America willing to go to jail for their cause... and they squander away their political capital for free camping and confrontation.

I get the message. I just don't get the strategy.

Ennuipoet: OK, kids, I like your thinking, I agree with the basic tenets you speak of. You did a great job getting the country talking. Now, it is time to leave the park and move on to the next idea. You are coming across as a spoiled child trying to sneak into their toy box after having a favorite doll taken away.

This is why so much of the nation thinks you are spoiled slackers.

In your mind is there anything they could possibly do to correct this image problem? Going back to the park is why basic cable news channels portray the protesters as spoiled slackers this week. Next week it will be some other smear. Some people think poorly of the protests, they also have been spoon fed that idea but constant negative hit pieces and distorted of facts from the likes of Fox News and CNN.

I really hope these ass-clowns keep themselves in the news all the way through the upcoming election.

Waxing_Chewbacca: FriarReb98: Ennuipoet: OK, kids, I like your thinking, I agree with the basic tenets you speak of. You did a great job getting the country talking. Now, it is time to leave the park and move on to the next idea. You are coming across as a spoiled child trying to sneak into their toy box after having a favorite doll taken away.

This is why so much of the nation thinks you are spoiled slackers.

This. They're totally making it all about having the right to be in the park and absolutely not about any of the intelligent yet unlikely things they want economically.

You are both dead on.

They got the debate going. Hats off. Now It's time for what's next.

And this is where it will end. The American left is good at biatching and moaning but not much else... The #occupy idiots will distrust anyone who tries to help them organize into something resembling a real movement.

/liberal
//not much faith in fellow liberals, or the dem party that failed to capitalize on this movement.

The trouble with OWS is though their cause of exposing Wall Street and Banking corruption and wanting justice to be served is noble, their actions aren't. They go where they want, take what they want, expect taxpayers to foot the bill and when the police come after them, they act like the police are the ones being the bad guys.

For example, the incident where they infiltrated a Law & Order SVU set made to look like one of their camps despite objections from the set's security people, resulting in the cops rescinding the previously issued filming permit.

It seems like they would get more support for their cause if they weren't acting like they are entitled to whatever they want.

Fark the OWS'ers. Seriously, fark 'em.

As I drove by one of their feces encrusted camp-outs here in O.C. I noticed my tax dollars are being spent on a roadside flashing sign blinking "QUIET ZONE".

Fark that. I love driving by late at night blasting my car horn. Farking pussies.

/Am off to a Big Bass store later today to buy an air horn for my future late night drive-bys.

/Right after I take my scheduled test drive of a Mercedes at Fletcher Jones on Jamboree in Newport Beach.

//Member of the 4%'ers.

///And proud of it.

Better to be the right hand of the devil than in his path so ...

"Those hippies are terrorists and need to be put into work camps until they learn how to be good little fast food employees!"

"No thank you sir, but I would like an extra Victory Gin ration."

FTA: "One officer used two hands to repeatedly shove backwards a credentialed news photographer who was preparing to document an arrest."

Clearly some of the police learned absolutely nothing from the last round of public disapproval of their overzealousness in suppressing the media.

Ennuipoet: This is why movements need leaders...imagine if the Civil Rights Movement operated on the same principle: just the bus boycotts over and over, never advancing to the next level.

That's true, but those leaders must emerge spontaneously just as was the case during the civil rights movement. In the beginning the movement really was nothing more than random sit-ins and bus boycotts (punctuated by the occasional lynching), until people with leadership qualities arose from within the movement. OWS was begun in the hope (by no means certain) that such leaders could emerge over time.

Beware, though - the same hunger for leadership that elevated Martin Luther King Jr. also brought us Malcolm X and Eldridge Cleaver. Don't be surprised if some elements of OWS eventually coalesce around leadership that is willing to take a more confrontational approach than some find comfortable.

I think if you right wingers whine just a little bit more the OWS protestors will all go away.

/ get use to it crybabies

I can't stand these clowns. Oh well, I guess I better some stock in pepper spray companies.

What is the next step? Who will do the next step?

Do you think the media is going to help? LOL

Do you think the congressmen are going to help? Have they even hinted at it? I see no action, or if i am wrong please correct me.

So, let us assume that they do not do any more protests like you said. What do YOU think is going to happen?

The news cycle will be completely jam packed with what the republicans are doing every second and the presidential race. If ANYTHING, now is the perfect time to continue the protests. It's election season and the protests will be a constant sore thumb that the presidential hopefuls will HAVE to acknowledge.

Otherwise, the movement will be forgotten, as is the norm in America.

They are stuck at this step because no one is willing to help them do the next step. Sure, major movements had leaders that helped them achieve their goals, but they could have NEVER done it without a "champion" in power to help them. The civil rights had that with Johnson.

It's the reason gay rights has taken so long to take hold. They have no champion.

ftfa: "We are the 99 percent" - and it ended with torn-down barricades and a scuffle with police officers"

no you are not the 99 percent. the 99 percent don't tear down barricades and fight with the police.

you are the .001% of the pond scum who have no respect for this country.

I thought these guys were supposed to all go away when it got cold. Huh.

tenpoundsofcheese: no you are not the 99 percent. the 99 percent don't tear down barricades and fight with the police.

Not yet.

McRat: I get the message. I just don't get the strategy.

The best I have heard.

Mic CHECK!

Whose streets? OUR STREETS!
Whose year? OUR YEAR!

Show me what democracy looks like.
THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!

So, if they keep pushing, they're spoiled children. If they don't, then they aren't committed and their protest means nothing.

Love that conservative "logic".

Hang tough, OWS

grimnir: I thought these guys were supposed to all go away when it got cold. Huh.

Yeah, isn't that wierd? Let me flip on FOX News to get infromed.

Kumana Wanalaia: So, if they keep pushing, they're spoiled children. If they don't, then they aren't committed and their protest means nothing.

Love that conservative "logic".

Hang tough, OWS

Thats not the point. Its not that they keep pushing that makes them spoiled children, its that the pushing quickly stagnated.

I saw a schedule of events for our local occupy protest. It included "juggling lessons", "drum circle", and "morning yoga". None of these things had anything to do with getting their point across. What started as a good idea quickly devolved into a "go urban camping with my friends" excuse.

laserhan: I saw a schedule of events for our local occupy protest. It included "juggling lessons", "drum circle", and "morning yoga". None of these things had anything to do with getting their point across. What started as a good idea quickly devolved into a "go urban camping with my friends" excuse

Huh?

The presence of recreational activities discredits a 24 hour-7 day a week style occupation movement?

You sound like a choad... "the fact that they exercise and enjoy recreational activities invalidates their entire philosophy and idea"

Ennuipoet: OK, kids, I like your thinking, I agree with the basic tenets you speak of. You did a great job getting the country talking. Now, it is time to leave the park and move on to the next idea. You are coming across as a spoiled child trying to sneak into their toy box after having a favorite doll taken away.

This is why so much of the nation thinks you are spoiled slackers.

no that would be the result of the corporate media. they influence the public conscience.

laserhan: Kumana Wanalaia: So, if they keep pushing, they're spoiled children. If they don't, then they aren't committed and their protest means nothing.

Love that conservative "logic".

Hang tough, OWS

Thats not the point. Its not that they keep pushing that makes them spoiled children, its that the pushing quickly stagnated.

I saw a schedule of events for our local occupy protest. It included "juggling lessons", "drum circle", and "morning yoga". None of these things had anything to do with getting their point across.

Staying put is getting their point across. Keeping at it is getting their point across. Keeping those protesters on site and committed is getting their point across.

Sending the message "we're not going away" is getting their point across.

If they fill some time with leisure, it does not invalidate their dispute.

Vaccinium Arboreum: Mic CHECK!

Whose streets? OUR STREETS!
Whose year? OUR YEAR!

Show me what democracy looks like.
THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!

For everyone saying "what's the next step?" just stay tuned. Plans are being worked on and laid at at GAs. Out of the parks and into the cities is definitely on the catchphrase list.

Occupy has done great things for advancing the conversation, but not nearly enough. We're working on this, most of us are new at this. Please stand by, or better still, come ask and help at your local camp.

Ennuipoet: FriarReb98: This. They're totally making it all about having the right to be in the park and absolutely not about any of the intelligent yet unlikely things they want economically.

This is why movements need leaders.. a message beyond just "some people are really rich, life is unfair"


ftfy

Lionel Mandrake: people aren't allowed to assemble in a park to redress their grievances.



oh look another idiot who doesn't know the difference between "assemble in a park" and "taking over a park by setting up camps"

tenpoundsofcheese: Ennuipoet: FriarReb98: This. They're totally making it all about having the right to be in the park and absolutely not about any of the intelligent yet unlikely things they want economically.

This is why movements need leaders.. a message beyond just "some people are really rich, life is unfair"

Nice strawman.

You're a tool.

FriarReb98: Ennuipoet: OK, kids, I like your thinking, I agree with the basic tenets you speak of. You did a great job getting the country talking. Now, it is time to leave the park and move on to the next idea. You are coming across as a spoiled child trying to sneak into their toy box after having a favorite doll taken away.

This is why so much of the nation thinks you are spoiled slackers.

This. They're totally making it all about having the right to be in the park and absolutely not about any of the intelligent yet unlikely things they want economically.

From what I read on twitter, it was a New Years Eve party that got out of hand when the police started getting rough.

But that aside, it's farking ridiculous that the park is barricaded 24/7 with guarded entrances. I thought they were kicking out OWS so people could use it?

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Ennuipoet: FriarReb98: This. They're totally making it all about having the right to be in the park and absolutely not about any of the intelligent yet unlikely things they want economically.

This is why movements need leaders.. a message beyond just "some people are really rich, life is unfair"


ftfy

If that's the message you get, then it's clear your not paying attention, or you're getting your views through a FOX/AM radio filter.

From his thoughts on #OWS, he is either:

a) Archie Bunker impersonator
b) troll
c) idiot
d) all the above

SockMonkeyHolocaust: someone who thinks that killing CEOs should be considered an allowable form of protest against a corporation's practices.

If corporations really were treated like people, plenty of CEOs would be eligible for death row.

grimnir: I thought these guys were supposed to all go away when it got cold. Huh.

The issues OWS are promoting such as taxing the rich are enormously popular.

Public says tax the rich by 2 to 1

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149567/Americans-Favor-Jobs-Plan-Proposals - Including-Taxing-Rich.aspx

tenpoundsofderp:

That's what is always comes down to with you righties, isn't it.

Lies.

Because that's all you have.

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Ennuipoet: FriarReb98: This. They're totally making it all about having the right to be in the park and absolutely not about any of the intelligent yet unlikely things they want economically.

This is why movements need leaders.. a message beyond just "some people are really rich, life is unfair"


ftfy

If that's the message you get, then it's clear your not paying attention, or you are reading their protest signs you're getting your views through a FOX/AM radio filter.


ftfy