We've always been at war with whoever they say we are at war with.

Anyone they say is a terrorist, is and deserves either imprisonment for life or an outright death sentence without charges and without a trial.

war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength

The only way to defeat 1984 is to 1776.

Not really too worried about this. Obama promised that he would only use these sweeping powers against bad people, and I trust him.

Well it was nice while it lasted. Thanks for all the fish.

There's a whole bunch of shiat like this coming down the pike (eg. SOPA, etc) and I'm sure a lot of it will stick.

It'll keep everyone peaceful so he can live up to that Swedish prize he got

Obtuse_Otter: [30.media.tumblr.com image 500x658]

I'd vote for Cthulu.

OBBN: So, this is going to be the Epic thread where the Fark Liberals™ go into overdrive to defend Obama, but at the same time they will find a way to blame this on Bush. It will be amazing to watch, grabbing popcorn and just sitting back. Enjoy grappling with this one tree huggers.

2/10 too formulaic

Very very bad. It was good while it lasted, but now we face the inevitable fate of all democracies.

It also restricts the transfers of cleared detainees from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay to foreign countries for resettlement or repatriation, making it more difficult to close Guantanamo, as President Obama pledged to do in one of his first acts in office.

I blame Bush.

You have a problem with Obama? Consider the Republican alternative.

I can't imagine why he'd wait till new year's eve to sign it. I'm sure nobody will notice.

nothing has changed it is just like it was before he signed this new bill (new window)

OBBN: So, this is going to be the Epic thread where the Fark Liberals™ go into overdrive to defend Obama, but at the same time they will find a way to blame this on Bush. It will be amazing to watch, grabbing popcorn and just sitting back. Enjoy grappling with this one tree huggers.

Liberals don't defend this. Democratic party shills do.

DarwiOdrade: MadSkillz: Shostie: MadSkillz: My god your country is so farked!! Wow. And some of you voted for this guy (but who am I kidding? The same result would've come from President John McCain, because they're all the same).

Shut up and give us your oil, snowback.

We'll sell it to you at a fair price, Imperialist scum! :)

That's a threat! Pre-emptive strike on the way.

Oh no! FO3 was right and before we are invaded by China, we will annex Canada!

I see Mr. Obama hasn't seen "The Siege" and "Im the Name of the Father" and how well those ended for everyone. Give up. Islamic terrorism 10, Liberty 2. Game over.

DarwiOdrade: MadSkillz: Shostie: MadSkillz: My god your country is so farked!! Wow. And some of you voted for this guy (but who am I kidding? The same result would've come from President John McCain, because they're all the same).

Shut up and give us your oil, snowback.

We'll sell it to you at a fair price, Imperialist scum! :)

That's a threat! Pre-emptive strike on the way.

We get to liberate Canada now? We can bring democracy to all those oppressed Canadians. (Poe's Law disclaimer: sarcasm.)

Will be a very nice chance of pace to conquer some place cold and snowy instead of hot and sandy. We even speak the language. . .except for when we take over Quebec.

Heck, we can roll right over the border, not even have to fly troops in.

Could make for a hot new 2012 Model Year war, since the Iraq one got discontinued.

I should've left a long time ago, who needs you, I've got Mexico.

/tree hugging Fark Liberal™

MadSkillz: DarwiOdrade: MadSkillz: Shostie: MadSkillz: My god your country is so farked!! Wow. And some of you voted for this guy (but who am I kidding? The same result would've come from President John McCain, because they're all the same).

Shut up and give us your oil, snowback.

We'll sell it to you at a fair price, Imperialist scum! :)

That's a threat! Pre-emptive strike on the way.

Well shall defend you from our moose forts.

You'll defend us? While we pre-emptively strike at you? And moose forts? Is that a fort that holds moose, or one made of moose carcasses?

Well, at least when you're indefinitely detained the government foots your medical bills.

/Death to America!
/I can has treatment, now?

And yet the media blackout continues. They really want to keep this buried. It's almost as if something needs hidden.

CygnusDarius: Somehow, I think that living in Mexico ain't so bad after all.

Even with all the mass killings and cartel wars? Well, I can understand the thought, that crime war isn't near as bad as what we are going to get. Been to war already myself so I know what I am getting into, and yes, I see Mexico crime as a better bet on future survival than this country. Yall farkers got no idea what is coming, and if you do, good luck.

Been listening to disturbed for the last couple hours and working out with a vengeance since I found out about this, almost like I have to train to go back to war again. This year is shaping up to have been one long cluster f*ck after another, and I thought it was getting bad under Bush.

If anyone wants some great viewing watch this after reading the article. Makes your day I bet. Don't forget the part two, then come back and tell me I risked my life for something worthwhile, that this country means anything we tell ourselves we do. Rights? yea.

Pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCpiE7WpVVk&feature=related
Pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIP0uHnMRSg&feature=related

OBBN: ...blah blah... idiot drivel... blah blah...
How much they pay you to post this crap? I can do that from home, and since I will likely have to move thanks to our illustrious leaders I could use having some spare income from online postings. Or are you really that dumb?

Wayne 985: If you think the Mexican justice system or military is morally superior to America's, you're in for a rude awakening.

Don't care. I have enough cash to survive, lay low and open a bar in a tourist area. I'm not talking about moral superiority (WTF is that libertarian bs?). I'm talking about a life on a beach in country that I don't care enough about to pay attention to the politics.

Yeah, as if I'm going to ever set foot in your stupid-ass country with this in place. No thanks.
BOYCOTT AMERICA.

Maybe people in government know something you don't know. Something terrible. Something they can't tell. Or maybe not.

What is so annoying is that when you look at the American headlines about this, they are full of the same turn of phrase. Obama "regretfully" signed the bill.

When you move to papers overseas, the bullshiat and excuse making tends to fall away:

Here we are. More than 10 years after the 9/11 attacks, more than six months since the killing of Osama bin Laden and less than a year away from the next presidential election, Barack Obama is about to sign into law the National Defence Authorisation Act (NDAA). It authorises the indefinite detention in military custody of US citizens who are suspected of having "substantially supported" al-Qaida, the Taliban or "associated forces" - and makes such detention mandatory for foreign nationals who are accused of having links to al-Qaida.

In fact, say civil liberties lawyers and human rights groups, this pernicious and Orwellian piece of legislation doesn't only enshrine in US law (in sections 1021 and 1022) indefinite military imprisonment without trial for terror suspects, but also makes it much easier for the government to transfer - or "render" - US citizens to foreign regimes for interrogation or incarceration, (also section 1021) and much more difficult to close the prison camp at Guantánamo Bay(sections 1023, 1026, 1027, and 1028).

Obama and the Democrats have a great deal to answer for. This brazen militarisation of US civilian justice and law enforcement cannot just be laid at the door of dastardly Republicans in Congress. In the Senate, the bill was co-sponsored by a Democratic senator, Carl Levin; in the House of Representatives, it sailed through with the support of 93 Democrats, including the minority leader, Nancy Pelosi (despite being opposed by, among others, the directors of the FBI and the CIA, the attorney general and the defence secretary).

The president has the power to veto the bill and, initially, his aides had suggested he would do so. However, citing vague "changes" to the language of the bill, Obama - the most veto-shy president since James Garfield in the 1880s - made a U-turn this month and withdrew his veto threat in what a New York Times editorial called "a complete political cave-in, one that reinforces the impression of a fumbling presidency".

But this isn't about the president's political incompetence or abject weakness. It is, above all, yet another example of Obama's refusal to stand up for civil liberties and the rule of law. Over the past three years, the former constitutional law professor has failed to close Guantánamo Bay, expanded the detention facility at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan, defended the use of warrantless surveillance and military tribunals, and - shockingly - asserted the right to assassinate, via drone strike and without due process, US citizens he deems to be terrorists. As the leading US legal scholar Jonathan Turley has argued, "the election of Barack Obama may stand as one of the single most devastating events in our history for civil liberties".

It is hard not to like or admire Obama as a person: the president is intelligent, reasonable, eloquent and witty. But presidents should be judged on their policies, not personalities; their records, not their rhetoric. Obama, however, has been handed a pass on indefinite military detention by the same liberals, progressives and Democrats who were so outraged and disgusted by the Bush administration's much milder Patriot Act. Liberals have to ask themselves: do civil liberties and human rights only matter when a Republican is sitting in the Oval Office?

A few weeks ago, at a private dinner, I was assailed by a senior state department official for echoing Turley's critique of the president and for daring to compare Obama to his Republican predecessor. In fact, I now regret saying Obama was similar to Bush. When it comes to civil liberties, once he signs the NDAA into law, he will be worse.

I for, one, welcome our suede-denim secret police.

/Something has to be done about my uncool niece.

Denmark, Germany, heck even southern Japan is sounding pretty good these days.

All those homeland security things that make it harder to leave the country sound sorta evil now.. More border monitoring, harder& more expensive passport standards.