Buying crack is pretty dangerous. The next kit will come with actual crack to reduce the danger of going to places where they sell it

/golf clap subby...

Apologies, submitter, because this will be left off of next year's Headlines of the Year contest. And this years contests have (almost entirely) already taken place.

skullkrusher: Buying crack is pretty dangerous. The next kit will come with actual crack to reduce the danger of going to places where they sell it

give the crackheads enough crack and they'll just OD and die, solving the problem entirely.

In the past Vancouver didn't implode because of liberal drug laws like the con drug warriors claimed . But this time it's surely going down the tubes. Oh wait ...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver

Vancouver has ranked highly in worldwide "livable city" rankings for more than a decade according to business magazine assessments[12][13] and it was also acknowledged by Economist Intelligence Unit as the first city to rank among the top-ten of the world's most liveable cities for five straight years.

unyon: I can understand Vancouver's rationale for this, but I struggle to imagine how it helps. I suppose a healthy crackhead at least has a chance to move on with their life, but from the limited time I've spent on East Hastings as an observer, there doesn't appear to be a lot of focus on the future.

Some of the Scandinavian nations have enacted policies of this nature with spectacular results. I forget the specific country but I believe de-criminilising heroin addiction and providing safe sites for use has reversed the expansion of the effects of that particular drug culture in an extensively massive way, it was even linked here on fark sometime earlier this year.

This is a good step.

HIV?? Where are they sticking their crack pi...oh...O_O

That's a smart approach. It reduces the isolation of the addict, making it more likely that they'll get treatment.

/plus it was pointed out that it saves money by reducing the medical expense of extra hospital visits by addicts

Bob16: In the past Vancouver didn't implode because of liberal drug laws like the con drug warriors claimed . But this time it's surely going down the tubes. Oh wait ...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver

Vancouver has ranked highly in worldwide "livable city" rankings for more than a decade according to business magazine assessments[12][13] and it was also acknowledged by Economist Intelligence Unit as the first city to rank among the top-ten of the world's most liveable cities for five straight years.

If it's such a great city to live in, then why do they need crack pipes?

Oh goddammit.

I am a booze hound. The gubmint should provide my wife with free boxing headgear so it doesn't hurt so bad when I beat her.

/i kid...she likes it.

hot cross buns!
I could play that on a recorder if you like!

JNowe: If it's such a great city to live in, then why do they need crack pipes?

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The_Original_Roxtar: skullkrusher: Buying crack is pretty dangerous. The next kit will come with actual crack to reduce the danger of going to places where they sell it

give the crackheads enough crack and they'll just OD and die, solving the problem entirely.

Not entirely. We're still stuck with you.

unyon: I can understand Vancouver's rationale for this, but I struggle to imagine how it helps. I suppose a healthy crackhead at least has a chance to move on with their life, but from the limited time I've spent on East Hastings as an observer, there doesn't appear to be a lot of focus on the future.

My girlfriend is doing her medical residency. She had a guy come in with an infected shoulder. He got it because he was injecting with dirty needless. Infection spread to his blood. So now his whole body is infected. So he spends a month in the ICU. About half way through his stay he gets all "You don't know what is best for me" walks out only to be back in a few days later worse off than when he left. Uninsured and homeless we did a quick tally and he's cost the state AT LEAST $1M (by the math they use to bill insurance companies). She's only rotated onto ICU 3 times but has seen at least 3 patients like this.

That's just 1 hospital in 1 city that is around ~500k in size. It would have been MUCH cheaper to hire some nursing staff a doctor, clean needles and all the drugs they could want. Administered in a safe, sterile environment.

Amsterdam and another city have this in Europe and usage rates have dropped off. Because they force them to go to counseling and the such.

I live on Milross St, two blocks from Hastings so I am getting a kick yada yada yada.

Frown upon your headline.

Bob16: The_Original_Roxtar: skullkrusher: Buying crack is pretty dangerous. The next kit will come with actual crack to reduce the danger of going to places where they sell it

give the crackheads enough crack and they'll just OD and die, solving the problem entirely.

Not entirely. We're still stuck with you.

It totally comes down to dollars. A single case of hep C cost the health care system something like ~$100k/year. vs $60k for the kits.

Crackheads these days are such whiners. Back in my day, we didn't have pipes. We smoked our crack out of broken lightbulbs, and we liked it.

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Came here for the 5 o'clock free crack give away, leaving satisfied.

blackhonda: So, where does the city buy their pipes and if they know where to buy the, why isn't it shut down> Just askin

Any pipe for pot, with a little steel wool and five minutes of conversion time. So, basically the funny little devices behind glass in your average head shop and used t-shirt business will do.

unitednihilists: It totally comes down to dollars. A single case of hep C cost the health care system something like ~$100k/year. vs $60k for the kits.

Ah, but if they didn't have a public health care system, then people would simply die in the street and they wouldn't cost the job creators anything.

/Social Darwinist utopia!
//What could go wrong?

badhatharry: Progressives do everything wrong.

And yet, it always seems to work out better than the alternatives. Funny that.

unyon: I can understand Vancouver's rationale for this, but I struggle to imagine how it helps. I suppose a healthy crackhead at least has a chance to move on with their life, but from the limited time I've spent on East Hastings as an observer, there doesn't appear to be a lot of focus on the future.



"Very good, sir. Shall I pre-warm sir's crack pipe?"

Bob16: The_Original_Roxtar: skullkrusher: Buying crack is pretty dangerous. The next kit will come with actual crack to reduce the danger of going to places where they sell it

give the crackheads enough crack and they'll just OD and die, solving the problem entirely.

Not entirely. We're still stuck with you.

you're right... I'll stop being mean to the worthless, thieving, disease-ridden crackheads. they're just "misunderstood"

Good. When you begin to remove the negative stigma associated with drug use, you make it easier for people struggling with addiction to access services to help them beat their addictions.

See also: Assisted injection facilities (aka "Shooting Galleries") in Southern California.

Pretending that you're too holier-than-thou to address the problem will never fix it.

I got gonosyphiherpelaids from sharing a dirty joint.

that's headline of the year material right there. brilliant. well done subby.

unitednihilists: Bob16: The_Original_Roxtar: skullkrusher: Buying crack is pretty dangerous. The next kit will come with actual crack to reduce the danger of going to places where they sell it

give the crackheads enough crack and they'll just OD and die, solving the problem entirely.

Not entirely. We're still stuck with you.

It totally comes down to dollars. A single case of hep C cost the health care system something like ~$100k/year. vs $60k for the kits.

smoking crack through a pipe, not injecting crack with a syringe, people who smokes a pipe has a better chance of hep C ?

To understand how this works in the broader, social context we need to look (once again) at the Dutch attitude and approach to life in general. In other countries civil war is being fought - a war on drugs and drug users. The Dutch have called a truce in this war, as they realise that the only casualties are their own people, caught in the crossfire of conflicting ideals and philosophies.

Amsterdam is neither a haven nor a paradise for those who want to use drugs. Drugs are illegal there, just as in many other countries. Amsterdam is, however, a place where drug problems are treated seriously and realistically, but in a calm, pragmatic manner. The Jellinek is but one component of that comprehensive, integrated problem prevention policy.

http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/89135.htm

Or there's the whole Portugal social experiment where EVERYTHING was decriminalized.

You mean completely ignoring a problem and wishing it away doesn't actually work? (new window)

Two-thirds of Dutch parents allow their 15-to-17-year-old children to sleep with their partners in their homes, according to a 2003 survey cited by the Salon post.

... the teen pregnancy rate in the Netherlands is just 12 pregnancies per 1,000 girls aged 15 to 19. In the staid U.S., there are 72 pregnancies per 1,000 girls the same age. The Dutch teen abortion rate is 20% lower than that in the U.S. And the rate of HIV infection in America is three times higher than in The Netherlands.

badhatharry: Hickory-smoked: badhatharry: Progressives do everything wrong.

And yet, it always seems to work out better than the alternatives. Funny that.

Sometimes, but the bad social engineering ideas out number the good ones.

Why is this a "bad social engineering idea?" Studies show that, over time, efforts like this actually curb illicit drug use and the spread of blood-born disease.

badhatharry: haywatchthis: unitednihilists: Bob16: The_Original_Roxtar: skullkrusher: Buying crack is pretty dangerous. The next kit will come with actual crack to reduce the danger of going to places where they sell it

give the crackheads enough crack and they'll just OD and die, solving the problem entirely.

Not entirely. We're still stuck with you.

It totally comes down to dollars. A single case of hep C cost the health care system something like ~$100k/year. vs $60k for the kits.

smoking crack through a pipe, not injecting crack with a syringe, people who smokes a pipe has a better chance of hep C ?

It appears that the problem they are trying to solve is that people are using inferior glass pipes that break and cut their lips.

oh, made in china pipes, i see now

It is also beneficial for the city. Less dirty used crack pipes left all over the place. It also gives them a place to use the bathroom, etc so they aren't crapping all over the streets.

//its not just about the drug addict

Are these kits technically illegal? Or does Canada not have paraphernalia laws? Perhaps an exemption for being state-issued?

/had a better idea
//then politics got in the way

badhatharry: Aurric: badhatharry: Hickory-smoked: badhatharry: Progressives do everything wrong.

And yet, it always seems to work out better than the alternatives. Funny that.

Sometimes, but the bad social engineering ideas out number the good ones.

Why is this a "bad social engineering idea?" Studies show that, over time, efforts like this actually curb illicit drug use and the spread of blood-born disease.

There are also studies that show if the government subsidizes an activity, you will get more of it.

Just because it shows that result with one activity doesn't mean you will have the same results with another activity.

People still smoke crack? I thought that was like soooo '90's.

haywatchthis: smoking crack through a pipe, not injecting crack with a syringe, people who smokes a pipe has a better chance of hep C ?

1. Is this English?
2. Lesions, cuts, burns on the mouth, or chips on the pipe.
3. Sharing is bad, no matter what your mommy told you.

Hep C. is easier to get than HIV.