Missing break pads? Nice.

Really, it seems brake pads should be on the farking final assembly checklist.

MISSING front brake pads? How do they get out the door with missing front brake pads? GM stands for Gone MIssing?

The Sonic is a neat car but a little smaller than I want. If the Cruze hatchback would come to the states, I'd probably buy it. Since that doesn't look like it's going to happen, I'm probably going to get a Focus.

That could make your Sonic go boom.

Keep that great GM feeling!!

Done in one

"One time, I hired a monkey to take notes for me in class. I would just sit back with my mind completely blank while the monkey scribbled on little pieces of paper. At the end of the week, the teacher said, 'Class, I want you to write a paper using your notes.' So I wrote a paper that said, 'Hello! My name is Bingo! I like to climb on things! Can I have a banana? Eek, eek!' I got an F. When I told my mom about it, she said, 'I told you, never trust a monkey!'"

Fix it again, Tony

Callous: If there's no pad than the piston would contact the rotor.

Only if its the pad on the side of the piston that's missing. In that case, "women" is the answer you're looking for.

Callous: If there's no pad than the piston would contact the rotor. That would result in a god awful metal on metal noise and should be obvious to anyone with more than 2 functioning brain cells something is seriously wrong. How the fark did these cars make it off the dealer lot with this problem unnoticed?

the problem was found in a rental car.....rental car agencies buy their cars in bulk

aearra: MISSING front brake pads? How do they get out the door with missing front brake pads? GM stands for Gone MIssing?

Maybe they parked them on the street in Detroit for a few minutes before shipping them off and they got stolen.

i'm driving down highway 40 in my big old ...AHHHH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I CAN'T STOP!!!!

thy crotch: i'm driving down highway 40 in my big old ...AHHHH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I CAN'T STOP!!!!

This isn't a Toyota thread.

this is the style of old-world craftsmanship that led to the creation of 'lemon laws' to protect usa consumers.

/thought all small cars were halted fred flintstone style

9beers: The Sonic is a neat car but a little smaller than I want. If the Cruze hatchback would come to the states, I'd probably buy it. Since that doesn't look like it's going to happen, I'm probably going to get a Focus.
What about the Fiesta?

This is the drive that never ends. It just goes on and on, my friends.

Sonic doesn't need no stinking brakes. He just runs around the planet until he gets back to the place he missed. I love that hedgehog.

DrGunsforHands: What about the Fiesta?

The Fiesta is like a miniature Focus and about the same size as the Sonic. I like small but not that small. I'm trying to hold off for a while to see if the 1.6 eco boost comes to the US version but I need to do something soon, gas is killing me.

DrGunsforHands: 9beers: The Sonic is a neat car but a little smaller than I want. If the Cruze hatchback would come to the states, I'd probably buy it. Since that doesn't look like it's going to happen, I'm probably going to get a Focus.
What about the Fiesta?

One of the clerical staff in my dept has a retena-burn green Fiesta. The color is perfect. There's no way to walk up to that car w/o smiling. She took me for a ride in it, and I was surprised at the room, comfort and level of trim.

Callous: If there's no pad than the piston would contact the rotor. That would result in a god awful metal on metal noise and should be obvious to anyone with more than 2 functioning brain cells something is seriously wrong. How the fark did these cars make it off the dealer lot with this problem unnoticed?

You're obviously not a mechanic. I had a customer who came in with his rotors worn down less than paper thin. When I asked him if he had noticed any screeching, he said "oh sure, but that stopped months ago." If the Check Engine light goes out on a car, people assume it's because the car magically fixed itself, not because the light burnt out because it was on constantly. People are far bigger idiots than you might be wanting to believe.

Also: not all brake calipers have pistons on both sides. Floating calipers have the piston(s) on one side, so if the brake pad that's missing is on the other side, I could see how the noise *might* be missed. (Forgive me, I'm not familiar enough with manufacturers to know if GM uses floating or fixed front calipers)

9beers: The Sonic is a neat car but a little smaller than I want. If the Cruze hatchback would come to the states, I'd probably buy it. Since that doesn't look like it's going to happen, I'm probably going to get a Focus.

I'm rather gung ho on the Focus hatchback myself.

Enigmamf: I'm rather gung ho on the Focus hatchback myself.

Yeah, I love the look of it and getting almost 40mpg on a car that still has a little pep to it doesn't hurt. The only negative I've found is the MyTouch system which I'll avoid when I buy.

Notabunny: DrGunsforHands: 9beers: The Sonic is a neat car but a little smaller than I want. If the Cruze hatchback would come to the states, I'd probably buy it. Since that doesn't look like it's going to happen, I'm probably going to get a Focus.
What about the Fiesta?

One of the clerical staff in my dept has a retena-burn green Fiesta. The color is perfect. There's no way to walk up to that car w/o smiling. She took me for a ride in it, and I was surprised at the room, comfort and level of trim.

We had a Fiesta back in the day, but then a car made a right-hand turn from the center lane across 2 lanes of traffic in front of us. No more Fiesta.

At GM, where you're the crash test dummy!

The new union slogan has been changed to: yabba dabba dooo!

9beers: The only negative I've found is the MyTouch system which I'll avoid when I buy.

I heard the latest update is supposed to be much more responsive and stable. Although if you're spoiled by an iOS device, it will probably never live up to your expectations :)

9beers: The Sonic is a neat car but a little smaller than I want. If the Cruze hatchback would come to the states, I'd probably buy it. Since that doesn't look like it's going to happen, I'm probably going to get a Focus.

Save yourself a lot of agony and buy a Toyota. Or at least read Consumer Reports first.

DrPainMD: Save yourself a lot of agony and buy a Toyota. Or at least read Consumer Reports first.

Why would I buy a Toyota when the Focus ranks better than the Matrix in every poll I've seen?

9beers: DrPainMD: Save yourself a lot of agony and buy a Toyota. Or at least read Consumer Reports first.

Why would I buy a Toyota when the Focus ranks better than the Matrix in every poll I've seen?

Because when someone gives you advice on how to avoid agony you might want to listen. When it's "DrPainMD" giving the advice? Yeah, you do the opposite.

Peki:
Also: not all brake calipers have pistons on both sides. Floating calipers have the piston(s) on one side, so if the brake pad that's missing is on the other side, I could see how the noise *might* be missed. (Forgive me, I'm not familiar enough with manufacturers to know if GM uses floating or fixed front calipers)

I'm not a mechanic but I've done brake jobs on 4 or 5 GM cars and they were all the single piston type. Actually, I have never seen a car with pistons on one side. What make cars have "fixed" pistons?

Even if the missing pad was the outside pad I have to wonder what that sounds like. And how does that happen? Someones last day or are the cars being built by someone that has absolutely no clue?

I see what you did there, subby!

Lol

Goo Punch is back on the market?

/dnrtfa

aearra: MISSING front brake pads? How do they get out the door with missing front brake pads? GM stands for Gone MIssing?

This should come as no surprise.

A few years ago, GM managed to make the wiper fluid reservoir a fire hazard.

"GM and the United Auto Workers union agreed to allow up to 40 percent of the production workers at the plant to be paid less than veteran UAW workers."

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The Sonic is made at GM's plant in Orion Township, Michigan. GM and the United Auto Workers union agreed to allow up to 40 percent of the production workers at the plant to be paid less than veteran UAW workers. The agreement was necessary to keep the Sonic from being produced outside the United States, the UAW and GM have said.

Who wants to bet the UAW will blame this on the workers getting paid less?

cmb53208: Keep that great GM feeling!!

It's a Daewoo, it's that great defective import feeling. Ask the Toyota folks about that, if you can find a survivor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Aveo
"The second generation Aveo debuted in January 2011, marketed globally as the Chevrolet Aveo;[2][3] in North America, the Middle East, Chile, Israel, Japan, Mexico, and South Africa[4] as the Chevrolet Sonic;[5] and in Australasia as the Holden Barina."

klaybc: [welltheresyourproblem.jpg]

No, YOU and people like you are the problem.

rwfan: Because when someone gives you advice on how to avoid agony you might want to listen.

Ok, don't buy one of these Toyotas if you don't want the agony of burning to death and smashed to pieces. I hope you are listening but your comment kind of proves you haven't already.

Kurmudgeon: It's a Daewoo, it's that great defective import feeling. Ask the Toyota folks about that, if you can find a survivor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Aveo
"The second generation Aveo debuted in January 2011, marketed globally as the Chevrolet Aveo;[2][3] in North America, the Middle East, Chile, Israel, Japan, Mexico, and South Africa[4] as the Chevrolet Sonic;[5] and in Australasia as the Holden Barina."


RTFA before you start your preprogrammed import rant...it's built by the UAW, in Michigan.

Seriously, I don't even go to many threads here, and you are in every car thread, bashing Toyota. At least try to mix it up a little. Or, you know, read.

Kurmudgeon: Ok, don't buy one of these Toyotas if you don't want the agony of burning to death and smashed to pieces. I hope you are listening but your comment kind of proves you haven't already.
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I am listening but I have no idea what you are trying to say. Do you only speak in negatives? Oh, I'm sorry, let me put that in a way that will be more clear, I mean not more unclear, do you never not phrase things without using a negative?

Anyway, my comment was a joke.

oh_please: Seriously, I don't even go to many threads here, and you are in every car thread, bashing Toyota. At least try to mix it up a little. Or, you know, read.

Because they kill people, I found this out because I read. Sadly, you apparently have trouble with that ability.
If people would remember, I wouldn't have to remind them.

oh_please: RTFA before you start your preprogrammed import rant...it's built by the UAW, in Michigan.

Seriously, I don't even go to many threads here, and you are in every car thread, bashing Toyota. At least try to mix it up a little. Or, you know, read.

And yet you ignore the picture repeatedly, I guess their deaths have just sloughed right off of your conscience.
At least no one has died in these Sonics, good thing I don't buy GM. I guess GM doesn't even know if it's domestic or not these days. That's what they get for copying imports.
Oh, and if my nature is "preprogrammed" to defend against death thru defect and threats to my country, it's citizens and it's economy, why thank you for pointing that out!

Guess it needed to be a little more sonic.

/not obscure

I Kurmudgeon: klaybc: [welltheresyourproblem.jpg]

No, YOU and people like you are the problem.

rwfan: Because when someone gives you advice on how to avoid agony you might want to listen.

Ok, don't buy one of these Toyotas if you don't want the agony of burning to death and smashed to pieces. I hope you are listening but your comment kind of proves you haven't already.
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I see the face of Michael Jackson on the rear door. It's a Totota miracle!