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2011-12-30 02:09:11 PM
We have a theater here that shows films for $2 that are not new but are not on DVD yet. The wife, kid, and I go to the Carl's Jr. and get "pocketburgers." These are exactly what they sound like: burgers you put in your pockets to sneak into the theater. They are cheaper and a lot tastier than anything you can buy at the concession stand.
 
2011-12-30 02:22:52 PM
The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: We have a theater here that shows films for $2 that are not new but are not on DVD yet. The wife, kid, and I go to the Carl's Jr. and get "pocketburgers." These are exactly what they sound like: burgers you put in your pockets to sneak into the theater. They are cheaper and a lot tastier than anything you can buy at the concession stand.

So, you are enjoying this cheaper theater, yet not supporting the only way the theater makes money.
 
2011-12-30 02:48:17 PM
I only saw one movie this year in a cinema: Being Elmo. It was worth every penny and Kevin Walsh (Elmo) was there--he's from Baltimore.

I used to work in film and I love movie theaters, but I hate paying $15 dollars for a product that I often end up not liking.

I have pretty much switched to watching movies online and have found some that I think are wonderful: Ink was a standout for me and it was never released theatrically. I watched it for free on Hulu but bought later as a gift.
 
2011-12-30 03:11:13 PM
So says the writer of "Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill" and "Beyond The Valley of the Dolls."

But he does have a point. I think twice or more before going out to a $10 - $12 movie with $5.00 sodapop and $4.00 popcorn. I would rather watch something good at home.
 
2011-12-30 04:19:40 PM
Before we throw a pity party for the studios, let's consider that NetFlix, Blockbuster Network and cable TV and PPV outlets pay $2.1 billion for distribution rights.
 
2011-12-30 04:38:45 PM
Not sure who Kevin Walsh is, but Kevin Clash is Elmo.
 
2011-12-30 04:59:07 PM
WhoIsWillo: So, you are enjoying this cheaper theater, yet not supporting the only way the theater makes money.

Really? This theater, owned by Cinemark (a giant corporation), only makes money from concession sales? They don't make money off the 15+ minutes of advertising before the movie? Sounds like they need to work on their business model. How does this concern me again? They might go out of business? Well, then, I'll watch the movies at home and probably enjoy them more.

Things would be different if it were a local independent theater, but it's not. I'm assuming that's what you were assuming the place was.
 
2011-12-30 05:02:24 PM
The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Really? This theater, owned by Cinemark (a giant corporation), only makes money from concession sales? They don't make money off the 15+ minutes of advertising before the movie? Sounds like they need to work on their business model. How does this concern me again? They might go out of business? Well, then, I'll watch the movies at home and probably enjoy them more.

Things would be different if it were a local independent theater, but it's not. I'm assuming that's what you were assuming the place was.


Cinemark does make a small portion of profit off the advertisements before the movie, this is true. However, the profit for those advertisements is limited at best.

I don't have a problem with people not buying things at the concession stand, more so given the prices, but sneaking food in to a theater just drives me up a wall.
 
2011-12-30 05:43:21 PM
WhoIsWillo: I don't have a problem with people not buying things at the concession stand, more so given the prices, but sneaking food in to a theater just drives me up a wall

I almost never buy anything at the concession stand, and rarely sneak in more than a few pieces of candy. Of course, I seldom go to movies anymore.

There was a theater in Maryland that played double features of second-run movies -- this was before even VCRs -- and a friend and I would each sneak in a six pack of beer, but they didn't sell that at the concession stand, anyway.
 
2011-12-30 06:01:26 PM
oldebayer: I almost never buy anything at the concession stand, and rarely sneak in more than a few pieces of candy. Of course, I seldom go to movies anymore.

I used to work at a movie theater. I've found people sneaking in 2-Liters of Coke, bags of popped microwave popcorn, boxes of candy, etc.

That's not mentioning the beer cans, the entire bottle of vodka, the four pack of little plastic wine bottles.
 
2011-12-30 06:44:35 PM
Maybe making movies based on something besides comic books and '60s sitcoms would help?
 
2011-12-30 06:48:07 PM
teto85: "Beyond The Valley of the Dolls."

Hey, now. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls kicks ass.

And as for the movie going experience, I would like to go see a summer blockbuster action movie at 8 p.m. on a Saturday without having so many people bring their babies to see the movie.
 
2011-12-30 06:49:53 PM
The film industry isn't losing money. Ebert knows better than that. He needs to shut whatever is left of his mouth. The film industry is doing fine.

The theaters themselves might be getting screwed from the studios but the local theater I go to sells pizza, cheese cake, wine and $7.00 popcorn to compensate. And they have "D-Box" seats that swivel and vibrate to the film. I took a girl to the Sherlock Holmes movie with that and she said she almost got off. Could have saved me some trouble. But i digress. There's nothing wrong with the film industry, no matter how much they cook the books to claim they aren't showing a profit.
 
2011-12-30 07:17:30 PM
Shostie: Beyond the Valley of the Dolls kicks ass.

It truly, truly does.
 
2011-12-30 08:43:25 PM
WhoIsWillo: I don't have a problem with people not buying things at the concession stand, more so given the prices, but sneaking food in to a theater just drives me up a wall.

Good thing I snuck my own popcorn into this thread because that is just asinine.
 
2011-12-30 09:07:00 PM
What's with all the b*tching about people talking and popcorn eating? I go to movies a lot and never have a problem with people talking or eating loudly. Y'all need to get out more.
 
2011-12-30 09:24:53 PM
the last movie that really made me want to go for the theater experience was Speed Racer. I am a Speed Racer fanboy, and it was at iMax. I paid the fee, bought the popcorn, didn't sneak anything in.... for that, I got a lady next to me who's phone rang, she answered, and then talked

"Anvil, The Story of Anvil" was after that, but it was at a music club, and Anvil the band played after the screening.
 
2011-12-30 09:27:43 PM
Also, going to the movies is fun. It's an event. You have to get somewhat dressed up for it. It's not the same as watching a DVD.
 
2011-12-30 09:30:48 PM
He's pretty much right. It's all about the theater experience. My local multiplex blows. Massively blows. I went to see Young Adult there and the projection was noticeably... well, something was wrong with it. It was like the bulb was flickering. I probably won't go back.

On the other hand, I go out of my way to see movies at Landmark theaters and at the AFI theater (which, luckily, is only a block away from the aforementioned suction-challenged multiplex). Why, yes, I do appreciate concession stands that sell beer, sweet potato tots, and stuff other than popcorn and nachoes.

ginandbacon: Ink was a standout for me and it was never released theatrically.

I saw that movie once and it was instantly vaulted into my Top 10 of all time. Damn, that was a great movie. The director's other work is kind of lame, though. I guess that makes him the independent, special effects-heavy version of Chris Columbus.
 
2011-12-30 09:39:55 PM
coco ebert: You have to get somewhat dressed up for it.

Yes, can you see these cuff links, son? 24 carat sterling gold, mined from deep within Africa.
 
2011-12-30 09:51:46 PM
jaylectricity: coco ebert: You have to get somewhat dressed up for it.

Yes, can you see these cuff links, son? 24 carat sterling gold, mined from deep within Africa.


Hey, I put pants on for that. PANTS!
 
2011-12-30 09:54:02 PM
I can deal with the ticket and concession prices but I'm going to end up getting arrested one day for smacking a phone out of some idiots hand.
 
2011-12-30 09:54:05 PM
coco ebert: Also, going to the movies is fun. It's an event. You have to get somewhat dressed up for it. It's not the same as watching a DVD.

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2011-12-30 09:54:31 PM
The First Four Black Sabbath Albums

...The wife, kid, and I go to the Carl's Jr. and get "pocketburgers." These are exactly what they sound like: burgers you put in your pockets to sneak into the theater. They are cheaper and a lot tastier than anything you can buy at the concession stand.


They would almost HAVE to be.
 
2011-12-30 09:55:01 PM

Because they're overpriced crap and we're in a recession. Unfortunately good stuff like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo isn't drawing crowds either.


Thank heaven for 20 theatre megaplexes. Buy a ticket for one movie, and after that's over sneak in to see another movie if you're up to it. I may see Hugo and The Artist back to back soon.

 
2011-12-30 09:55:36 PM
Complicit: Shostie: Beyond the Valley of the Dolls kicks ass.

It truly, truly does.


Is this the same movie that is chock full of titties that I remember from my jr high days of sneaking 2am Cinemax/hbo?

If so, I must concur.
 
2011-12-30 09:56:26 PM
Hollywood is losing money because it is out of ideas, and it will remain out of ideas until the maximum copyright term is reduced to 14 years. When remakes of movies even one generation old have to compete on the open market, most of them will die, and genuinely new ideas will once again become the most profitable way to go.
 
2011-12-30 09:56:32 PM
ginandbacon: I only saw one movie this year in a cinema: Being Elmo. It was worth every penny and Kevin Walsh (Elmo) was there--he's from Baltimore.

The first time I saw Elmo was on the Frugal Gourmets show on PBS. To this day when I see that muppet I can only think of the Frugal Gourmet sexual harassing his male assistants.

/and writing books with rather hot blond male chef who disappeared off the face of the earth after Jeff Smith was sued by those assistants
//lord only knows what Elmo saw and endurred
 
2011-12-30 09:57:06 PM
skinink: Unfortunately good stuff like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo isn't drawing crowds either.

I have no idea why they released it during Xmas. Nobody wants a 40 pound box of rape from Santa.
 
2011-12-30 09:57:52 PM
12349876: coco ebert: Also, going to the movies is fun. It's an event. You have to get somewhat dressed up for it. It's not the same as watching a DVD.

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Lol, I was waiting for that. Fark, you never disappoint!
 
2011-12-30 09:57:57 PM
FishyFred: He's pretty much right. It's all about the theater experience. My local multiplex blows. Massively blows. I went to see Young Adult there and the projection was noticeably... well, something was wrong with it. It was like the bulb was flickering. I probably won't go back.

A lot of theatres are turning down the brightness of their projection bulbs because it doesn't use as much electricity and the bulbs last longer. You might not be able to see what's happening on the screen, but hey, they're saving money.

FWIW, the minute a theatre chain decides to hire a bouncer to kick out talkers/texters without refunds, they will have my immediate and imperishable loyalty.
 
2011-12-30 09:58:13 PM
Millennium: Hollywood is losing money because it is out of ideas, and it will remain out of ideas until the maximum copyright term is reduced to 14 years. When remakes of movies even one generation old have to compete on the open market, most of them will die, and genuinely new ideas will once again become the most profitable way to go.

Nothing in your argument is remotely supported by anything that is going on in today's movie industry today. But have fun believing that anyways.
 
2011-12-30 09:58:22 PM
I wouldn't mind paying money for concessions but sneaking food in doesn't bother me when the stuff the theater sells tastes like crap.

If you can't get some kid to at least pay attention enough to make sure I don't receive a piece of charcoal that was supposed to be a burger, then you're not doing your job as manager. I'm not paying for your damned kids while you sit on your ass and do nothing.
 
2011-12-30 09:58:54 PM
Screw the 'theater experience'. My tv and home theater system are better than the movie theater. If they made new movie releases instantly available for streaming to my home, I would pay for a LOT more new movies.
 
2011-12-30 09:59:54 PM
I live in the Phoenix area where we have Harkins theaters which we didn't have back in MI or Chicago. I have to say that Harkin's totally rocks in comparison. They have comfortable seats, a yearly cup that you buy for $4 where you can get refills for a $1 all year, and a yearly pop-corn t-shirt where you get a free medium popcorn every time you bring (or wear) the shirt. You can upgrade to a large popcorn for just a $1.

If you forget your t-shirt you can buy a $25 gift card up front and get a free medium popcorn ticket, and then buy your tickets with gift card. One free refill on large popcorn bags and concession people tell you to bring bag back on next visit if you don't get a refill that night (they put an x on bottom once refilled). I know nothing about the owner or their personal policies, but they have daycare up front for kids and I have yet to have a terrible experience after living here for four years. Decent movies, great video and sound, and typically a pretty cheap evening considering.
 
2011-12-30 10:00:15 PM
9beers: skinink: Unfortunately good stuff like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo isn't drawing crowds either.

I have no idea why they released it during Xmas. Nobody wants a 40 pound box of rape from Santa.


Or maybe they didn't really want anybody to see it at first.
 
2011-12-30 10:00:21 PM
WhoIsWillo: That's not mentioning the beer cans, the entire bottle of vodka, the four pack of little plastic wine bottles

Are you not supposed to do that?
 
2011-12-30 10:00:41 PM
FishyFred:
ginandbacon: Ink was a standout for me and it was never released theatrically.

I saw that movie once and it was instantly vaulted into my Top 10 of all time. Damn, that was a great movie. The director's other work is kind of lame, though. I guess that makes him the independent, special effects-heavy version of Chris Columbus.


Fan-farking-tastic movie. Low budget, but very well done. Top 10 on my list.
 
2011-12-30 10:01:16 PM
HAHAHA! Noice.

I guess he's ready to retire.
 
2011-12-30 10:02:56 PM
Snake Vargas: I wouldn't mind paying money for concessions but sneaking food in doesn't bother me when the stuff the theater sells tastes like crap.

If you can't get some kid to at least pay attention enough to make sure I don't receive a piece of charcoal that was supposed to be a burger, then you're not doing your job as manager. I'm not paying for your damned kids while you sit on your ass and do nothing.


This exactly. One theatre I was going to, I WAS buying their food before they shut down the Taco Bell kiosk and frozen yogurt and only kept their horrible nachos and those stupid overpriced pretzels. I don't want to pay $5 for a hot lump of bread that equals a couple pieces of toast.
 
2011-12-30 10:03:50 PM
Roger Ebert: "The film industry is losing money because they charge too much and deliver too little."

If that were true, the discount weekday afternoon shows would be full of people who are also sneaking in their own snacks.

Most people go on Friday or Saturday night and the theaters are crowded then. Tthey lose money because all those seats, equipment and employees are there seven days a week and are underutilized.

No real good solution to increase traffic in those off-days.

/If they'd just show porn on their IMAX screens and sell beer, they could be busy 24/7.
 
2011-12-30 10:03:57 PM
skinink: Unfortunately good stuff like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo isn't drawing crowds either.

Who says? Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is a three hour crime drama that features well ... lets say ... less than light and fluffy subject matter. Its not going to draw the same amount of money as the latest Mission Impossible movie. And frankly it shouldn't.

/saw it last weekend - theatre was packed - by simple arithmetic - its going to not do as well against a shorter movie that is more action and lighter
 
2011-12-30 10:04:48 PM
My favorite Ebert was the one that couldn't talk.
 
2011-12-30 10:04:59 PM
Now showing:

Old Franchise V: Beaten to Death

Blockbuster II: Lazy Sequel

Unnecessary Prequel

Ben Stiller / Adam Sandler / Will Ferrell "Comedy" You've Seen Before

Jennifer Aniston Might Show Her Tits but Doesn't

Cameron Diaz Acts Like She Isn't Ugly
 
2011-12-30 10:05:21 PM
I only see films in the theater that I can take my family to. This severely limits the number of films I go to. Ever go to a G or PG rated film within the first few weeks of opening. It's packed.

If film execs had two brain cells to rub together, they'd triple the number of G rated films they make. If the execs that own these huge theater chains had two brain cells to rub together, they'd refuse to show the latest sequel thats going to be gone in 2 days and insist that more G movies be made. But no, execs know what we want after all.
 
2011-12-30 10:05:35 PM
Why spend $12 for a single movie ticket and end up in a crappy back row, or too close to the front, seat with annoying teenagers who can't STFU ? $5 bucks for a small coke and cell phones constantly going off. I'll just wait for the movie to come out on Netflix and watch it on my 42" plasma, in the warmth and comfort of my own living room thankyouvermuch.
 
2011-12-30 10:05:54 PM
Saw Mission Impossible 4 the other day with three other members of my family and when the ticket guy said "That'll be 60 dollars" I paused for a moment and thought, "What? Did I hear that right?" Good thing I still had a bunch of gift certificates laying around since there has barely been anything I wanted to see this year up until now.
 
2011-12-30 10:07:28 PM
WhoIsWillo: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: We have a theater here that shows films for $2 that are not new but are not on DVD yet. The wife, kid, and I go to the Carl's Jr. and get "pocketburgers." These are exactly what they sound like: burgers you put in your pockets to sneak into the theater. They are cheaper and a lot tastier than anything you can buy at the concession stand.

So, you are enjoying this cheaper theater, yet not supporting the only way the theater makes money.


We have a great open-since-Depression 2 screen theater in town that does $3 Thursdays-which means whatever first run movies they are playing that week, the tickets are only $3 on Thurs. (He also did free showings at midnight of the day they opened for all the summer blockbusters) Given what the megaplex up the road charges for just the farking ticket, I feel almost morally obligated to drop another $15 on the Large Popcorn, candy, and Two drink combo (with free refills if you could ever actually finish either one) when I take the family just to say thank you
 
2011-12-30 10:08:31 PM
I go to the theater often, but never had a cell phone problem and only rarely dealt with people gabbing or making noise, then only for a little bit. Worst problem I've faced is when I'm with my family and they keep shoving all that concession stand junk food into my face. (FOR THE FIFTIETH TIME I'M NOT HUNGRY.)

It might have something to do with the fact that I tend to watch good movies with intelligent audiences instead of another Twilight sequel.
 
2011-12-30 10:08:49 PM
Millennium: Hollywood is losing money because it is out of ideas, and it will remain out of ideas until the maximum copyright term is reduced to 14 years. When remakes of movies even one generation old have to compete on the open market, most of them will die, and genuinely new ideas will once again become the most profitable way to go.

Hollywood's not out of ideas, they just ignore them. There are thousands of screenplays out there. I'm not saying all of them are gold but they don't involve us sitting through Peter Parker getting bitten by a radioactive spider yet again.

The suits have it in their heads that only proven properties with a built in audience are worth the $200 mill it costs to make a movie nowadays (and movies don't really cost that much but that's a different conversation).

And in the case of the aforementioned Spider-Man, it's a matter of having to remake the same shiat just to keep the copyright.
 
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