USA! USA! USA! USA!

/god we're stupid...

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A Fark Handle: USA! USA! USA! USA!

/god we're stupid...

What do you mean "we," white man?

/not a Republican

this will only end well.

AirForceVet: Naw, you got it wrong, Subby. American Republicans started TWO wars, then cut taxes.

Yeah, and Obama stayed out of everything. Stupid class warfare.

Also, how is it more intelligent to miscalculate your spending, overspend, and then say oh well, we'll just make the taxpayers pay everything off?

Actually, that is what should happen. Then, in a logical world, the taxpayers would say, "Wow, these guys suck with our money. We will now fire them and elect new ones."

Ain't that a b*tch?

Rajoy campaigned biatching that Zapatero, like all Socialists, taxed people heavily and now Rajoy seems to say "maybe there was a reason that the Socialists were doing what they were doing."

Oh, yeah; you know who else bet its fortunes on inflated real estate prices?

Meanwhile, the banking system has been badly hit by the burst property bubble and new Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has said the banks must be forced to announce losses on the housing market in a new step in the ongoing restructuring plan.

/Hasta la vista, baby!

Dialectic: Oh, yeah; you know who else bet its fortunes on inflated real estate prices?

After looking around... it seems that just about everyone did

The US is as strong as it has ever been. The perception of our strength has been affected by our crooked political system and it's banker/insurance company whores.
The media, on all sides, fail to point out the truths and the real news in order to spin propaganda to its hoards of choir members. When this dust settles the peoples that will be left behind in the US will still be the mixed culture and racially diverse droves of Americans that will lead this New World Order into a far far better future.
Or the cockroaches will rule. Either way. it's cool.

Plus, Spain has lots of experience dealing with terrorism, which is why shortly after 9/11 you hear Bush saying so much about sending some people over there to learn a few things.

You remember that, right?

they should invade Portugal.. Goddamn portuguese!!!

Me falta todavía?

Wait- they are going to promise the gullible a big new entitlement so they vote them back into power, while raising taxes so that their economy fails to grow?

Those Europeans are so smart...

Ha ha.... our recession ended in 2009. We are in recovery. All is well. The pundits say the US economy is growing.

Spain....start your stimulus and bailouts. But whatever you do....spend, spend, spend. That's what works.

Haha 4 years later and Democrats are still putting the blame on Bush... I love it because Obama hasn't tried to stop

Republicans: Our way is superior! Get with it, or get the fark out!

Democrats: We are more enlightened. We accept everyone, except those who don't agree with us - who should not be allowed to exist on this planet!

so... it sounds like the austerity pain in Spain won't be restricted to the plain?

netcentric: Ha ha.... our recession ended in 2009. We are in recovery. All is well. The pundits say the US economy is growing.

Spain....start your stimulus and bailouts. But whatever you do....spend, spend, spend. That's what works.

But...but... THE LAFFER CURVE!!!

There should be a Troll and Dumb button on Fark. Much more useful here.

Better say something relevant to the discussion, to not get deleted...
Soshulism, Bush din't do nuttin, high taxes, class warfare, etc, etc.

Plus, don't forget, you have to send out $300 checks to make the middle class feel like they're getting something out of the whole deal....

RockChalkH1N1: Haha 4 years later and Democrats are still putting the blame on Bush... I love it because Obama hasn't tried to stop

Well he did start all this sh*t. Is he blameless just because it's been dumped onto the other guy? And I have a feeling Obama is trying not to rock the boat too much until he gets a second term. Or he's just another typical two faced politician... but he is not the designer of the current clusterf*ck. People can continue to blame Bush until the end of time... because it IS his and his cronies fault on many levels.

To be fair, our two wars were free.

Well, at least we funded them entirely on credit.

Well, at least the tiny parts congress approved. The rest we farmed out to mercenaries.



Man, I sure can't believe how bad fartbama screwed up our economy.

SanjiSasuke: There should be a Troll and Dumb button on Fark. Much more useful here.

Better say something relevant to the discussion, to not get deleted...
Soshulism, Bush din't do nuttin, high taxes, class warfare, etc, etc.

I think it'd be interesting to see a fark.com/red/ and a fark.com/blue/, but we all know that everyone commenting would say that they only want a fark.com/independent/ .

Right, because when you raise taxes, then you will 1) cut the deficit or 2) spend the extra money?

Politicians will always spend every penny of tax raised and whatever else they can get away with. -- Milton Friedman

The 4 Ways to Spend Money by Milton Friedman

Shame that Bush did all of those terrible things.

But its ok that Obama didn't really do anything to stop those terrible things because I voted for Obama and he's my homie.

StanTheMan: Right, because when you raise taxes, then you will 1) cut the deficit or 2) spend the extra money?

Politicians will always spend every penny of tax raised and whatever else they can get away with. -- Milton Friedman

The 4 Ways to Spend Money by Milton Friedman

Right, because when I want to pay off my debts, the first thing I do is get a lower-paying job.

RockChalkH1N1: Haha 4 years later and Democrats are still putting the blame on Bush... I love it because Obama hasn't tried to stop

Still blaming time-traveling Obama for starting those two wars, huh?

here to help: RockChalkH1N1: Haha 4 years later and Democrats are still putting the blame on Bush... I love it because Obama hasn't tried to stop

Well he did start all this sh*t. Is he blameless just because it's been dumped onto the other guy? And I have a feeling Obama is trying not to rock the boat too much until he gets a second term. Or he's just another typical two faced politician... but he is not the designer of the current clusterf*ck. People can continue to blame Bush until the end of time... because it IS his and his cronies fault on many levels.

So, Clinton gets off scott-free? He didn't have anything to do with bolstering the problems in the Middle East and leaving the US vulnerable? You're right. The way he handled the problems in Yemen, Mogadishu, Kenya, Tanzania, etc... was brilliant! After all, he launched a few missles, but he didn't get us into a full-blown war, which was definitely keeping people safe from terrorists, not mention our soldiers.

StanTheMan: Right, because when you raise taxes, then you will 1) cut the deficit or 2) spend the extra money?

Politicians will always spend every penny of tax raised and whatever else they can get away with. -- Milton Friedman

The 4 Ways to Spend Money by Milton Friedman

Or you could learn the reality of economics.
Granted politicians are to blame for that. But capitalists and the "invisible hand" (unduly powerful private individuals whose status is only backed by state force) play just as much an abuse.
Any ideologue who advocates the free market as a solution only wants the world in the hand of a few private wealthy instead of few public bureaucrats wealthy.

Don't blame the last 43 presidents, they only inherited the mess George Washington left behind!

imprimere: So, Clinton gets off scott-free? He didn't have anything to do with bolstering the problems in the Middle East and leaving the US vulnerable? You're right. The way he handled the problems in Yemen, Mogadishu, Kenya, Tanzania, etc... was brilliant! After all, he launched a few missles, but he didn't get us into a full-blown war, which was definitely keeping people safe from terrorists, not mention our soldiers.

Did I say anything about Clinton? He was another skeezebag but I'll tell ya', I'd rather have him back than either one of the past two sh*tc*nts. My sh*ts were more solid back then... probably because I didn't have a constant feeling of impending doom.

PlatinumDragon: StanTheMan: Right, because when you raise taxes, then you will 1) cut the deficit or 2) spend the extra money?

Politicians will always spend every penny of tax raised and whatever else they can get away with. -- Milton Friedman

The 4 Ways to Spend Money by Milton Friedman

Right, because when I want to pay off my debts, the first thing I do is get a lower-paying job.

First thing a smart family would do is cut its spending. And if you knew your wife would spend all your extra money anyway on bullshiat, you might not work as hard.

BigTuna: Oh good, we're back to equating the family checkbook with the federal government's finances.

Right, because it's better to think of it as Monopoly money that nobody ever as to pay back, with interest.

B- b- b-b- but BUSH!

B- b- b-b- but SOCIALISM!

For the glory of the government!!

In the name of the ideology!!

Tea Party: We rulezz!
Code Pink: We rulezz!

Can is Republicans smart? YAY! IS SMART!

Are is Democrats great? YAY! IS GREAT!

Rush Limbaugh: I like pie!

Nancy Pelosi: I AM FACE HERPES! BOW TO MY NUMMIES!!

Raise taxes and give everyone money!

Lower taxes and fight the whole world!

Newt Gingrich wants penis.

Michele Bachmann hates penis.

John Kerry doesn't know penis where.

Bill Clinton is penis!

/Behold, Fark politics!

RockChalkH1N1: Haha 4 years later and Democrats are still putting the blame on Bush... I love it because Obama hasn't tried to stop

Bush will be blamed for our current problems for generations, because he's responsible

/I know, I know, responsibility is just for Little People, not Lords.

RockChalkH1N1: Haha 4 years later and Democrats are still putting the blame on Bush... I love it because Obama hasn't tried to stop

Just because Obama has been a jackass doesn't mean Bush is no longer one, dumbass.

AirForceVet: Naw, you got it wrong, Subby. American Republicans started TWO wars, then cut taxes.
Both are on the right track but falling short - Cut taxes, start TWO wars and but them BOTH on CREDIT borrowed from an ideological OPPOSITE.

*Wipes hands on trousers* There I think that's it. NOW do we have it all?

here to help: Did I say anything about Clinton?

No, but you said that Bush started it. I'm saying that it's a bit shortsided to put it all on Bush. Clinton's actions were closer to 'starting it' than Bush's. Bush just jumped in the F-wagon and accelerated. You're right though. They are both sacks of dick, just like the current asshat is. I'll give Bush some credit where few will though. It's easy to see that he's an idiot. However, I really believe that he thought what he was doing was just. If you'll remember, most of the US believed he was doing the right thing at the time.

It's more simple than people think.

Hussein: "I rule with an iron fist and oppress my people. I don't care what the world thinks because they can't do camel dung about it!"
Bush Sr. "Dammit Sad-am, I'm coming over there to kick yer sorry ass."
Hussein: "You're not so tough."

30 minutes later...

Stormin' Norman: "Sorry Mr. President, that took 27 minutes longer than we thought. The door is wide open to march into Bagdad and finish the job."
Bush Sr. "Hear that Sad-am? Yer lucky all these bleeding-hearts are screamin' 'bout blood and oil. I'm tellin' ya though, you leave yer backyard one more time and I'm gonna finish you fer good!"

as tempers simmer, Bill Clinton takes office...

Bin Laden: "Now that I have the best of the US training and education, I will use it against the evil forces in the West. My minions, let us bomb US embassies and ships in harbor. Let us create unrest around the world for the infidels! We will cowardly target their citizens as we do not possess the numbers or might to to confront them directly. I do this in the name of the all-peaceful teachings of Allah!"

Clinton: "Firing missiles is fun. We can't let Bin Laden go unpunished. Fire!"
Clinton camp: "So, we are going to commit US forces to fighting the problems of the terrorist regimes?"
Clinton: "Oh, heck no! Do you want to start a war? Fire some missles... hee hee. That will let them know that we're serious here."
Clinton camp: "Mr. President, we've mainly hit some non-military targets and done no real damage."
Clinton: "I like missiles. I'm against war, but missiles are fun."

Meanwhile, the US people see that the US economy is good (on paper), so international problems don't really exist. All is well as Clinton hands the reigns over to Bush Jr. ...

Bush Jr.: "mumble, mumble... tried to kill my daddy... mumble."
Clinton: "Here ya go George. I've single-handedly wiped out the US debt and made America great again. Just look at that housing boom!"
Bush Jr.: "What's the situation with the terrists?"
Clinton: "Ah hell George, relax. They may set off a bomb or two now and then, but just fire a few missles. It keeps 'em in line and it's fun! I'm outta here. Hey honey, where you going with that double-cheeseburger?"
Bush Jr.: "Damn you Hoosane!"

Bin Laden: "Wow, the US are paper tigers! I will mastermind the the greatest attack against the US the world has ever seen. Minions, fattwahs all around!"

Bush camp: "Mr. President, Bin Laden and Al kai que quai kay... Bin Laden is taking credit for the attacks of 9/11. Again, Bin Laden has attacked the US!"
Bush Jr.: "Hoosane!?! I knew it. We're gonna get that guy. I love you daddy!"
Bush camp: "Sir, Bin Laden lives in Afghanistan. We will have to punish Afghanistan for this if we are to punish Bin Laden."
Bush Jr.: "I don't care which part of Iraq Bin Laden lives in. We are gonna find Hoosane and justice him Texas style!"

Hussein: "Ha! Good one Osama. Hi-five... ah-ah... left hand, left hand. OK US, now you see what happens when you mess with us! By the way, you don't want none of this. I have weapons of mass destruction and I will make 9/11 looks like rocks in the alley."
Bush Jr.: "Does he really have these WMDs? Man, we should make everything in to letters, it's so much easier to say."
Bush camp: "Our best intel suggest that he is manufacturing WMDs. These satellite photos show what looks to be a mobile lab."
Hussein soldiers: "Do we really have WMDs?"
Hussein: "Of course we do! Maybe. Yes! I'm kidding... or am I??? No really, we have them. Everyone must know that we have them and we will use them!"
U.N.: "Hussein! Do you have WMDs?"
Hussein: "Not really... I'm not saying yes and I'm not saying no exactly."
U.N.: "Hussein! We want to inspect your facilities!"
Hussein: "Uhm... OK... hold on. Maybe tomorrow?"
U.N.: "No Saddam, WMDs are serious business and we must make sure that you are not in possesion of them. If you don't cooperate fully, we will be forced to bomb your in-box with STRONGLY-WORDED LETTERS!"
Hussein: "How am I supposed to cow my Middle Eastern neighbors will all this beauracray going on? FU U.N.! You won't do a damn thing."

Bush Jr. "Saddam, I'm warning you. We KNOW you have WMDs and we are about to shock-and-awe yer arse back to stone huts and rubble."
U.N.: "W, you have to wait for the process to work itself out. If we don't handle this with red-tape, it could lead to real action. Then our people would get hurt, no just some Sunnis and Kurds."
Bush Jr. "America, you pissed enough yet?"
America: "Yep. Most of us have had it. We want to kick Saddi butt and we have all of these American flags made in China to prove it!"
Bush Jr. "You heard 'em world. Let's get to it! I knew I could count on you Tony! Aussies? Hell yeah, we got croc power! Spain and Italy have a military? Canada is sending all four of their soldiers... that's good. Poland? OK, now I know yer just joshin' me. Hey, what about Russia, France and Germany? Didn't we save all of them in those War of the Worlds?"

Russia, France and Germany: "Hey, we are going to have to sit this one out because we don't think that you are being fair to Mr. Hussein and NOT because we are selling him weapons and making money!"

Bush Jr. "Well, it's not like we need any of them anyway. Let's roll!"

Bin Laden: "What does a crusader have to do to get a little respect around here. And why the hell am I hiding out in caves? I hear Pakistan is lovely this time of year."

Bush camp: "Mr. President. We've completely destroyed Iraq. You can see on these sat-photos that many of the rocks have indeed been moved around. A decisive victory!"
Bush Jr.: "Boy howdy! I declare victory! Hey did we get Hoosane? Well, we will."
Bush camp: "Got him sir. What shall we do with him?"
Bush Jr.: "I'm not a ruthless leader and people say I should show some compassion here. Let's turn him over to the Irakees. What do you think they'll do to him? String him up? TEXAS!"

Bush Jr.: "Welp, I can't take a 3rd term, so here ya go cuz. I'm saying that because we're related, not cuz yer a darkie. Get it?"
Obama: "I'm still trying to convince America that I am a citizen, but everyone can see that we are related. Damn these ears. Good thing the people can't call me a chimp like they did you George, because that would be racist, eh!"
Bush Jr.: "And people say I'm dum."

As Obama looks around he begins to realize that he's been left a real mess.

Obama camp: "Mr. President, the economy is a mess, we are in a couple of unpopular wars and most of the world is unhappy with us. How would you like to proceed?"
Obama: "I'm going on vacation."

Obama camp: "Sir, quite a lot of time has passed and everyone is looking to see what you'll do. The economy continues to tank and we are stuck in these wars..."
Obama: "Health care. Let's require people to have health care! We can cut health care for the elderly and give it to the poor. Companies will have to provide it or people will have to have it... it doesn't really matter where the money comes from. Let's just get this health care thing going because that's definitely the biggest issue we have."
Obama camp: "OK Mr. President, the health care issue has been pushed through, but we're pretty sure little has actually been accomplished there and the economy seems to be getting worse."
Obama: "Gays. Let's save the gays."
Obama camp: "OK sir, we found Bin Laden. We're pretty sure it's him. He's been hiding in a mansion in Pakistan's posh district. What should we do with him?"
Obama: "Dump him at sea. The people don't need to see that anything has been done. Just show some intense pictures of everyone looking shocked and concerned."
Obama camp: "Mr. President, people in opressed nations are finally rising up against their opressors."
Obama: "Alright. That's the power of the internet. Thank you Al Gore! Alright, let's show our support with weapons and troops, but from a distance. I don't want to have to approach Congress because I'm not going to get us into any wars. Now, let's kill some bad guys!"
Obama camp: "OK Mr. President, rioting is fairly ubiquitous around the world. It seems that everyone is fed up with dictators and government spending, national health care is supposedly going to work in the future, gay people can be more open in the military, which we are quietly scaling back even though we've left no real infrastrucure behind and we will likely have to deal with these same problems all over again. Funny thing though, polls show that Americans really don't care about anything else when they don't have money. What shall we do about this?"
Obama: "Can't we blame Bush?"
Obama camp: "Yessir!"
Obama "Good. I'm going on vacation. Call me when my next term starts."

imprimere: here to help: Did I say anything about Clinton?

No, but you said that Bush started it. I'm saying that it's a bit shortsided to put it all on Bush. Clinton's actions were closer to 'starting it' than Bush's. Bush just jumped in the F-wagon and accelerated. You're right though. They are both sacks of dick, just like the current asshat is. I'll give Bush some credit where few will though. It's easy to see that he's an idiot. However, I really believe that he thought what he was doing was just. If you'll remember, most of the US believed he was doing the right thing at the time.

It's more simple than people think.

Hussein: "I rule with an iron fist and oppress my people. I don't care what the world thinks because they can't do camel dung about it!"
Bush Sr. "Dammit Sad-am, I'm coming over there to kick yer sorry ass."
Hussein: "You're not so tough."

30 minutes later...

Stormin' Norman: "Sorry Mr. President, that took 27 minutes longer than we thought. The door is wide open to march into Bagdad and finish the job."
Bush Sr. "Hear that Sad-am? Yer lucky all these bleeding-hearts are screamin' 'bout blood and oil. I'm tellin' ya though, you leave yer backyard one more time and I'm gonna finish you fer good!"

as tempers simmer, Bill Clinton takes office...

Bin Laden: "Now that I have the best of the US training and education, I will use it against the evil forces in the West. My minions, let us bomb US embassies and ships in harbor. Let us create unrest around the world for the infidels! We will cowardly target their citizens as we do not possess the numbers or might to to confront them directly. I do this in the name of the all-peaceful teachings of Allah!"

Clinton: "Firing missiles is fun. We can't let Bin Laden go unpunished. Fire!"
Clinton camp: "So, we are going to commit US forces to fighting the problems of the terrorist regimes?"
Clinton: "Oh, heck no! Do you want to start a war? Fire some missles... hee hee. That will let the ...

Wow... alright. I'm doing some other stuff at the moment but I appreciate the reply and I'll read and reply soon.

But if we are reaching back we can look at Reagan... and well... pretty much all of US political history and global history and there are many culprits along the way.

For the moment though I will say we seem to be in agreement that self interested politicians and their backers are to blame and have been all along. I'll toss another fish out there though and say an easily manipulated and willfully ignorant public allowed it to get to this point.

BBIAB.