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(Economist)   Point: The Republican Party is a dysfunctional mess. Counterpoint: Ooh, look at me, I read The Economist   (economist.com) divider line 103
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2011-12-30 10:08:35 AM  
I dont know why, but this headline made me laugh.
 
2011-12-30 10:18:31 AM  
This was a fun picture. That's what I read the economist for anyway.

media.economist.com
 
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2011-12-30 10:20:50 AM  
Well let's be honest, after 8 years of Bush the Republican party doesn't have much left to destroy except for itself.
 
2011-12-30 10:46:55 AM  
Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.
 
2011-12-30 10:49:54 AM  
Jane you ignorant slut...
 
2011-12-30 10:50:29 AM  
The economist is a very expensive magazine to subscribe to. I bought a subscription for every member of my family who went 'bagger.

It's a sneaky way to get information to people who don't want to be exposed to information. It actually helped immensely. The 'bagger relatives can have decent conversation with me about articles from the magazine, and we can talk about some things in a factual way, which is nice.

But damned expensive.
 
2011-12-30 10:57:18 AM  

spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.


Diversity of opinion is not dysfunctional.

Anyway, it happens. The Democrats were dysfunctional from Carter to Clinton. Now it's the Republicans' turn. And the pendulum swings. The best you can hope for is to make it as short as possible.
 
2011-12-30 11:01:06 AM  
If Ron Paul wins a few primaries and comes anywhere close to having as many delegates as Romney, or if there's any evidence of fraud in the primaries, their convention will certainly be a dysfunctional mess. And that will be great fun to watch.
 
2011-12-30 11:01:14 AM  

spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.


The Democratic Party is dysfunctional? Gasp!!! This comes as astonishing news to liberals! We thought everything was going well!

Oh, and if the Democratic Party contains "self proclaimed Socialists and Communists" then the GOP contains "self proclaimed white supremacists, birthers, secessionists, and homophobes."
 
2011-12-30 11:03:00 AM  

Kibbler: The Democratic Party is dysfunctional? Gasp!!! This comes as astonishing news to liberals! We thought everything was going well!

Oh, and if the Democratic Party contains "self proclaimed Socialists and Communists" then the GOP contains "self proclaimed white supremacists, birthers, secessionists, and homophobes."


You can't spell S-P-A-M without spman.
 
2011-12-30 11:04:48 AM  

Kibbler: spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.

The Democratic Party is dysfunctional? Gasp!!! This comes as astonishing news to liberals! We thought everything was going well!

Oh, and if the Democratic Party contains "self proclaimed Socialists and Communists" then the GOP contains "self proclaimed white supremacists, birthers, secessionists, and homophobes."


I know plenty of socialist-leaning Democrats (including the man in the mirror), and a handful of self-proclaimed Socialists (one of them is even a Senator - I don't *know* they guy or sell him weed or anything, but I know who he is and his proclaimed political identity).

But I also agree with the second part, so here we are.
 
2011-12-30 11:05:10 AM  

spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.


Funny, it is not a contest to see who can be the most screwed up. Both sides are looking bad but this does not excuse the field the GOP threw out for this election and I am a registered republican and the candidates are just embarrassing.
 
2011-12-30 11:05:48 AM  

DamnYankees: I dont know why, but this headline made me laugh.


Likely since it's an Onion homage, and a pretty humorous one at that.
 
2011-12-30 11:05:56 AM  

Otherwise Just Fine: The economist is a very expensive magazine to subscribe to. I bought a subscription for every member of my family who went 'bagger.

It's a sneaky way to get information to people who don't want to be exposed to information. It actually helped immensely. The 'bagger relatives can have decent conversation with me about articles from the magazine, and we can talk about some things in a factual way, which is nice.

But damned expensive.


I got The Economist for a while. I would never use the phrase "fair and balanced" because it is a charged phrase, and was even before Faux adopted it. But I would say that The Economist is, if not always impartial, then committed to looking at all sides of the issues. I always felt better-informed after reading it.

I just don't have the time to keep up with it, and as you say, it's not cheap.

Maybe if I stopped reading/writing Fark nonsense I'd have the time...
 
2011-12-30 11:07:01 AM  

spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.


Republicans.
 
2011-12-30 11:07:40 AM  

spman: You tell me who is more dysfunctional.


The party that is tearing themselves apart over a nomination that won't matter because they won't win against the current president.
 
2011-12-30 11:08:07 AM  

spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.


He's the thing, because of it the Democrats generally have a wide range of candidates who run (look at the 2007 D primaries), and generally out of it comes a candidate who can appeal to a wide range of people. The Republicans on the other hand tend to expect their candidate to lock step with the party platform, and are more and more turning out candidates who can win in Republican states (good for congressional elections), but can't win the general populous (not as good at Senate elections, terrible for Presidential elections). Look at recent Republican presidents, Bush Jr, Bush Sr, Reagan even. They would all be polling in the single digits right now in the primaries.
 
2011-12-30 11:08:42 AM  
They're all 'extremists.' If anyone thinks more deregulation and lower taxes are going to fix the problems those very policies have caused, they're delusional -- and that includes the entire Republican field.
 
2011-12-30 11:09:05 AM  
Summary: Republicans suck so bad they can't beat a sucky president. OK.
 
2011-12-30 11:09:39 AM  

spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.


If group think is your thing vote Republican? I am glad my party is diverse and we can have actual conversations from all sides of the spectrum. Instead of "Obama Evil, God Good" "Tax Cuts".
 
MFL
2011-12-30 11:11:04 AM  

A Terrible Human: spman: You tell me who is more dysfunctional.

The party that is tearing themselves apart over a nomination that won't matter because they won't win against the current president.


LOL!

Just wondering...Who are you picking for the superbowl?
 
2011-12-30 11:11:45 AM  

monoski: Funny, it is not a contest to see who can be the most screwed up. Both sides are looking bad but this does not excuse the field the GOP threw out for this election and I am a registered republican and the candidates are just embarrassing.


Really? I think the party is well represented by the current candidates. This is the repbulican A team. Are they a bunch of freaks? Sure. But so is pretty much anybody that calls themselves a republican these days.
 
2011-12-30 11:12:00 AM  
I'm an independent, and until the campaign began I would have been okay with the idea of a Romney presidency. I'm completely disgusted by the GOP's behavior in general over the past few years, but Romney hasn't been in office and so I couldn't really blame him for the behavior of his fellow Republicans.

But, then the campaign began. And Romney is making the same mistakes that Cain made that alienated me. He's abandoning all attempts at being even-handed and moderate and diving right into the crazy - head first.

So fark him, and fark the GOP.

I hope the GOP collapses, with the Dems following shortly after. It's a lot harder to get by being a shiatty party of shiatty people when the only people that make you look good are out of the picture. A plague on both your houses.
 
2011-12-30 11:12:09 AM  

Diogenes: spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.

Diversity of opinion is not dysfunctional.

Anyway, it happens. The Democrats were dysfunctional from Carter to Clinton. Now it's the Republicans' turn. And the pendulum swings. The best you can hope for is to make it as short as possible.


Well said...But even the msot ardent conservative shouldn't hope the pendulum swing is shorter until they get their shiat together. That doesn't happen until the big players die off. Both parties crush their upstarts very efficiently.
 
2011-12-30 11:13:23 AM  
Nowadays, a candidate must believe not just some but all of the following things: that abortion should be illegal in all cases; that gay marriage must be banned even in states that want it; that the 12m illegal immigrants, even those who have lived in America for decades, must all be sent home; that the 46m people who lack health insurance have only themselves to blame; that global warming is a conspiracy; that any form of gun control is unconstitutional; that any form of tax increase must be vetoed, even if the increase is only the cancelling of an expensive and market-distorting perk; that Israel can do no wrong and the "so-called Palestinians", to use Mr Gingrich's term, can do no right; that the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Education and others whose names you do not have to remember should be abolished.
 
2011-12-30 11:13:34 AM  

MFL: Just wondering...Who are you picking for the superbowl?


No one. I don't watch football.
 
2011-12-30 11:13:42 AM  

Otherwise Just Fine: The economist is a very expensive liberal magazine to subscribe to. I bought a subscription for every member of my family who went 'bagger.

It's a sneaky way to get information from a liberal viewpoint to people who don't want to be exposed to information. It actually helped immensely. The 'bagger relatives can have decent conversation with me about articles from the magazine, and we can talk about some things in a liberally biased factual way, which is nice.

But damned expensive.


There FIFY
 
2011-12-30 11:14:03 AM  

Diogenes: Anyway, it happens. The Democrats were dysfunctional from Carter to Clinton. Now it's the Republicans' turn. And the pendulum swings. The best you can hope for is to make it as short as possible.


That equivalence doesn't feel right to me, I'm sorry. I remember the Democrats of that period being in disarray and not having a clear voice--if anything, they were lackluster. And that continued into the Dubya years. But I don't remember any of them being as copiously-soiled-flaming-underpants-on-head retarded as the current crop of front-runners which the Republicans are trying to foist upon the American public.

This bout of insanity feels far too extreme, too new to be a repeated phenomenon. It's like the distortion in the echo chamber has finally hit a tipping point, and now everything from them sounds like noise to the rational ear, so to speak.
 
2011-12-30 11:15:54 AM  

spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.




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Republicans
 
2011-12-30 11:16:26 AM  

tcan: Otherwise Just Fine: The economist is a very expensive liberal magazine to subscribe to. I bought a subscription for every member of my family who went 'bagger.

It's a sneaky way to get information from a liberal viewpoint to people who don't want to be exposed to information. It actually helped immensely. The 'bagger relatives can have decent conversation with me about articles from the magazine, and we can talk about some things in a liberally biased factual way, which is nice.

But damned expensive.

There FIFY


Since when did that stand for "farked it for you"?
 
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2011-12-30 11:16:56 AM  

Kibbler: spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.

The Democratic Party is dysfunctional? Gasp!!! This comes as astonishing news to liberals! We thought everything was going well!

Oh, and if the Democratic Party contains "self proclaimed Socialists and Communists" then the GOP contains "self proclaimed white supremacists, birthers, secessionists, and homophobes."


This. +1
 
MFL
2011-12-30 11:24:29 AM  
1. Romney is a 100 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

2. Gingrich is 1000 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

3. The only hope the worst president in modern history has to get a second term is for him to deem his opponents unelectable.

4. You guys are putting in the effort I give you that, but in reality you are just stroking yourselves
 
2011-12-30 11:24:45 AM  
The alternative is that the primary race grinds to a stalemate, with neither Mr Romney nor one of his rivals able to secure victory. Then a Bush, Daniels or Christie just might be tempted into the contest.

Is this guy high?
 
2011-12-30 11:26:06 AM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: Diogenes: Anyway, it happens. The Democrats were dysfunctional from Carter to Clinton. Now it's the Republicans' turn. And the pendulum swings. The best you can hope for is to make it as short as possible.

That equivalence doesn't feel right to me, I'm sorry. I remember the Democrats of that period being in disarray and not having a clear voice--if anything, they were lackluster. And that continued into the Dubya years. But I don't remember any of them being as copiously-soiled-flaming-underpants-on-head retarded as the current crop of front-runners which the Republicans are trying to foist upon the American public.

This bout of insanity feels far too extreme, too new to be a repeated phenomenon. It's like the distortion in the echo chamber has finally hit a tipping point, and now everything from them sounds like noise to the rational ear, so to speak.


I was going more for the "long view" than to establish equivalence. And I think it's important to distinguish between the current candidates and the party as a whole. A dysfunctional party will produce dysfunctional candidates. And there are plenty of reasons why some potentially more qualified/suited candidates are hanging back this turn.
 
2011-12-30 11:26:43 AM  

MFL: 3. The only hope the worst president in modern history has to get a second term is for him to deem his opponents unelectable.


He's going to win in a landslide. And the president hasn't had much to say about the GOP clown show. Right wing media is doing all the work for him. They're the ones tearing down all of your deities.
 
2011-12-30 11:28:15 AM  

MFL: 1. Romney is a 100 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

2. Gingrich is 1000 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

3. The only hope the worst president in modern history has to get a second term is for him to deem his opponents unelectable.

4. You guys are putting in the effort I give you that, but in reality you are just stroking yourselves


LOL!

Just wondering...Who are you picking for the superbowl?
 
2011-12-30 11:28:53 AM  

spman: Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.


Hey hey, don't forget the corporatists.
 
2011-12-30 11:31:40 AM  

MFL: 1. Romney is a 100 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

2. Gingrich is 1000 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

3. The only hope the worst president in modern history has to get a second term is for him to deem his opponents unelectable.

4. You guys are putting in the effort I give you that, but in reality you are just stroking yourselves


Care to wager?
 
2011-12-30 11:31:56 AM  

spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.



Right now, the Republicans. By a mile.

There's an old quote, I think it's attributed to Rommel, that "The reason Americans do so well in war, is that war is chaos; and the Americans practice chaos on a daily basis." That's sort of how it is with Democrats and party unity: while real ideological unity is nonexistant, everyone's already accustomed to having to compromise to get even the most basic of things done.

The current batch of Republicans are learning how that feels, and it's not something they're used to. And right now, they're drowing in it. A few large factions that have built their political power on a refusal to compromise are being asked to compromise with one another, and they seem to have forgotten how.
 
MFL
2011-12-30 11:33:17 AM  
Republican primaries are always messy. This time is no different. The candidates aren't "rock stars" this time around but the President is so weak it won't take much to beat him.

As a democrat I would be more worried right now that the GOP looks to have a very strong field for years to come if you look at their current governors and young congressmen. Besides Cumo who do the democrats really have moving forward?
 
MFL
2011-12-30 11:35:29 AM  

GWLush: MFL: 1. Romney is a 100 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

2. Gingrich is 1000 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

3. The only hope the worst president in modern history has to get a second term is for him to deem his opponents unelectable.

4. You guys are putting in the effort I give you that, but in reality you are just stroking yourselves

Care to wager?


Sure. Name your price
 
2011-12-30 11:35:50 AM  

MFL: Republican primaries are always messy. This time is no different. The candidates aren't "rock stars" this time around but the President is so weak it won't take much to beat him.

As a democrat I would be more worried right now that the GOP looks to have a very strong field for years to come if you look at their current governors and young congressmen. Besides Cumo who do the democrats really have moving forward?


You sound concerned.
 
2011-12-30 11:36:40 AM  

MFL: GWLush: MFL: 1. Romney is a 100 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

2. Gingrich is 1000 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

3. The only hope the worst president in modern history has to get a second term is for him to deem his opponents unelectable.

4. You guys are putting in the effort I give you that, but in reality you are just stroking yourselves

Care to wager?

Sure. Name your price


$50?
 
2011-12-30 11:37:01 AM  

GWLush: Care to wager?


Be careful - he may have statisticals up his sleeve.
 
2011-12-30 11:38:03 AM  

MFL: Republican primaries are always messy. This time is no different. The candidates aren't "rock stars" this time around but the President is so weak it won't take much to beat him.

As a democrat I would be more worried right now that the GOP looks to have a very strong field for years to come if you look at their current governors and young congressmen. Besides Cumo who do the democrats really have moving forward?



Actually, the Republican primaries have always been fairly tidy, owing mostly to the winner take all aspect. For the past 20 years, the nomination has been decided by South Carolina.
 
2011-12-30 11:39:40 AM  

DarwiOdrade: GWLush: Care to wager?

Be careful - he may have statisticals up his sleeve.


I don't care if he has a unicorn that farts documents that prove Obama is the Antichrist. I think it is a really safe bet.
 
2011-12-30 11:39:40 AM  

MFL: GOP looks to have a very strong field for years to come if you look at their current governors and young congressmen


Which governors and congressmen? Rick Scott? Scott Walker? Paul Ryan? Eric Cantor? Mitch Daniels? Don't make me laugh.
 
2011-12-30 11:41:07 AM  

GWLush: DarwiOdrade: GWLush: Care to wager?

Be careful - he may have statisticals up his sleeve.

I don't care if he has a unicorn that farts documents that prove Obama is the Antichrist. I think it is a really safe bet.


That's the joke.
 
2011-12-30 11:43:44 AM  

DGS: Kibbler: spman: Democrats are composed of more than a dozen or so different ideologies ranging from self proclaimed Socialists and Communists all the way to blue dog Democrats, all of which have ideas that are radically different from each other.

Republicans are composed of at most, maybe four different ideologies, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, those keen on Jesus, and the libertarian types, and while they may have a few fundamental disagreements, they mostly agree on a lot of the same key principals.

You tell me who is more dysfunctional.

The Democratic Party is dysfunctional? Gasp!!! This comes as astonishing news to liberals! We thought everything was going well!

Oh, and if the Democratic Party contains "self proclaimed Socialists and Communists" then the GOP contains "self proclaimed white supremacists, birthers, secessionists, and homophobes."

This. +1


Except the white supremecist and kooks of that ilk are not Republicans and most do not self identify as such. In fact I remember a certain Fred Phelps who was pretty buddy buddy with Al Gore and Bill Clinton, and guys like David Duke switch their political affiliation all the time based on what convenient. The difference is that Democrats have no problem rubbing elbows with the far fringe portion of their party. You're not ever going to find a Republican bragging about being endorsed by Stormfront.
 
2011-12-30 11:44:13 AM  

MFL: 1. Romney is a 100 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

2. Gingrich is 1000 times more accomplished in life than Barack Obama and would obviously make a better president.

3. The only hope the worst president in modern history has to get a second term is for him to deem his opponents unelectable.

4. You guys are putting in the effort I give you that, but in reality you are just stroking yourselves


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