Lionel Mandrake: WANTED

Charge: Negligent Homicide



This woman is a serious GOP candidate for the Presidency. Just sayin'.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: WANTED

Charge: Negligent Homicide

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This woman is a serious GOP candidate for the Presidency. Just sayin'.

Well, it does make sense that the mother as retarded.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: WANTED

Charge: Negligent Homicide

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This woman is a serious GOP candidate for the Presidency. Just sayin'.

I don't know about "serious" But anyway, McCarthy's been at this shiat for years; Bachmann's a newbie. And she hasn't said squat about vaccinations since everyone pointed and laughed at her when she said the retard thing.

Lionel Mandrake: Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: WANTED

Charge: Negligent Homicide

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This woman is a serious GOP candidate for the Presidency. Just sayin'.

I don't know about "serious" But anyway, McCarthy's been at this shiat for years; Bachmann's a newbie. And she hasn't said squat about vaccinations since everyone pointed and laughed at her when she said the retard thing.

She's getting invited to debates. That's as serious as any other candidate they have, if you think about it.

And I don't care if she stopped saying it after she got pwn3d on it. She still said it, out loud, in public, On The Campaign Trail.

People should keep that in mind when they look at her as a candidate. The same way they should keep in mind that Mitt Romney actually believes his special underwear protects him +10 from harm, illness, and the Forces of Evil, Rick Perry has described himself as ""the kind of kind of guy who goes jogging in the morning, packing a Ruger .380 with laser sights and loaded with hollow-point bullets", and Newt Gingrich is... well, Newt Gingrich.

Benevolent Misanthrope: And I don't care if she stopped saying it after she got pwn3d on it. She still said it, out loud, in public, On The Campaign Trail.

I'm just saying - and I have absolutely no data to back this up - that McCarthy, given the amount of time and energy she has put into her "campaign" has probably done a great deal more harm than a fringe candidate who said one retarded thing then pretty much shut up.

That's all I'm saying...

Lionel Mandrake: Benevolent Misanthrope: And I don't care if she stopped saying it after she got pwn3d on it. She still said it, out loud, in public, On The Campaign Trail.

I'm just saying - and I have absolutely no data to back this up - that McCarthy, given the amount of time and energy she has put into her "campaign" has probably done a great deal more harm than a fringe candidate who said one retarded thing then pretty much shut up.

That's all I'm saying...

Agreed. Wholeheartedly.

But anyone who was even considering voting for Bachmann... Oh hell - on second thought, if they're considering Bachmann, they aren't going to be swayed by any amount of crazy on the farking planet.

Benevolent Misanthrope: But anyone who was even considering voting for Bachmann... Oh hell - on second thought, if they're considering Bachmann, they aren't going to be swayed by any amount of crazy on the farking planet.

Or just about anyone else in the field.

Pretty sad when the most non-batshiat candidates are the ones that believe in magic underwear.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: WANTED

Charge: Negligent Homicide

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This woman is a serious GOP candidate for the Presidency. Just sayin'.

I'm not sure anyone is a serious presidential candidate; at least on the Republican side. Obama is most likely to win a second term if the GOP doesn't field a sure fire nominee. Didn't Reagan in '84 and "W" in '04? Or Clinton in '96?

I'm saying of course that Reagan, Clinton and Bush 43 won reelection despite poor to average approval ratings in 1984, 1996 and 2004 respectively.

In 1984 it was Mondale, 1996 Dole and 2004 Kerry opposing the incumbents.

LMark: Lionel Mandrake
Pretty sad when the most non-batshiat candidates are the ones that believe in magic underwear.

Well, he's a member of the church, but it's hard to say how much of it he truly believes. By your standard, the Democrats nominated a V.P. candidate in 2000 who believes in a magic undershirt with magic strings attached (tzit-tzit that Orthodox Jews wear), and the country elected a President in 1960 who believed in magic crackers. We currently have a President who believes in a magic rock in Saudi Arabia (Just Kidding) In short, you're gonna think that any religious belief that you don't share is crazy. I disagree with Romney on most of the issues, so i will not vote for him (I will vote for Obama), but I don't care about a candidate's personal religious views as long as he doesn't inflict them on the nation.

/sorry for the threadjack

I was kinda teasing. I think all those things you mentioned are indeed silly, but that doesn't mean the person who believes in them is silly overall.

For the record, I've found every Mormon I've ever met to be quite pleasant, friendly and polite. I don't really have a problem with them (not the mainstream church, anyway)

Wow, what a polarizing issue. Anybody besides me see the "gray area?"

Sure, on the whole, vaccines have without a doubt saved millions of lives.

When my 2nd daughter was around 4 years old, her speech was coming along nicely; she was speaking in complete sentences and enunciating clearly. Then we brought her in for her DTap, IPV, MMR, and Varicella immunizations. Like any kiddo, she screamed and flailed during the shots, and cried in the car the whole way home. She was pretty tuckered out from all the crying, and we put her to bed, and she slept through the night, although my wife and I heard her whining occasionally. The next morning, I went in to get her and said, "Good morning, sweetie!" She sat up in bed, and made kind of a "garrumph"-type sound (I don't know how else to describe it) I assumed she was just tired and cranky and brought her downstairs. It didn't take long for my wife and I to realize something was very wrong. She wouldn't respond to any questions ("What would you like for breakfast, hun?") other than to utter nonsensical "garrumph"-type sounds. When asked to repeat words, she couldn't enunciate anything, wouldn't string together any sentences, she simply would respond with a "garrumph" and/or whining.

After a couple more days of this, we brought her in to see the doctor, and she was tentatively diagnosed with apraxia. Now realize this was a child with ZERO signs previous to the vaccinations, she was right on par with her speech development.

5 years later, and with intensive speech therapy, she is almost on par with her peers.

Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe it wasn't necessarily the vaccinations, but something related to the vaccinations? A preservative or other chemical in the shot? Maybe she blew a blood vessel in her brain while freaking out about getting the shots? Doctors of course deny any relation to the vaccinations, but they certainly didn't know my kid like I did.

I don't know the answer. But that is my true story. Take it for what it's worth.

Vaccines save lives, sure. But they may also pose other risks of their own.

rebelyell2006: I ate pulled pork barbeque for the first time in many months on December 17, and just two hours later, Kim Jung-il died. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

Enemies of America only die in the middle of WWE Pay Per View events.

I mean, Osama was killed during WWE's Extreme Rules PPV, and Kim Jong Il died during WWE's TLC PPV.

LMark: Lionel Mandrake
Pretty sad when the most non-batshiat candidates are the ones that believe in magic underwear.

Well, he's a member of the church, but it's hard to say how much of it he truly believes.

/sorry for the threadjack

OK - let's take them one by one.

Even in the world of religion, Mormonism is pretty "out there". Seriously. Have you seen what they espouse? And Romney is not a "Mormon in name only". He's practicing. Which means he has a card, he does temple service, and his church has all kinds of data on his observance. Does this mean he'll turn the US into a polygamist theocracy? Of course not. But come on - the man is willing and able to suspend his rational thought processes to the point that he can believe that wearing a certain undergarment will protect him from all manner of Bad Things. Am I the only one who finds that an undesirable thing in the leader of the free world?

By your standard, the Democrats nominated a V.P. candidate in 2000 who believes in a magic undershirt with magic strings attached (tzit-tzit that Orthodox Jews wear),

No - Lieberman is not Orthodox. And the prayer shawl is worn as a reminder of duty to their god, not a protective garment.

and the country elected a President in 1960 who believed in magic crackers.

OK - Kennedy was a Catholic, who do believe that the wafer is the true presence of Jesus. AFAIK, he was practicing, but in the way most Catholic men are - motions, nothing more. His track record on adultery would seem to back that up. Many folks who call themselves Catholics do not believe in transubstantiation, by the way - it's entirely possible Kennedy was among them. But if Kennedy were, say, known to flail himself with a whip, get up at 3:00 to go to prayers, and do obsequious observance like the kind of stuff that's required for temple service in the Mormon Church.... yeah, he'd never have been elected. He would have been seen as batshiat.

We currently have a President who believes in a magic rock in Saudi Arabia (Just Kidding)

OK, that was funny.

In short, you're gonna think that any religious belief that you don't share is crazy. I disagree with Romney on most of the issues, so i will not vote for him (I will vote for Obama), but I don't care about a candidate's personal religious views as long as he doesn't inflict them on the nation.

I personally think all religious belief is a form of mass hysteria. I'm enough of a realist, though, to know that I'm in the minority and our leaders are going to believe, by and large, in things I don't. And I generally can separate the two.

But the magic underwear, the proxy marriage and baptism, the general farked-up-ed-ness of Mormon beliefs really make me skeevy about Romney.

Well... that, and his shiat-eating grin. And his hair. And the way his entire manner has "Oily Prick" written all over it.

Head_Shot: After a couple more days of this, we brought her in to see the doctor, and she was tentatively diagnosed with apraxia. Now realize this was a child with ZERO signs previous to the vaccinations, she was right on par with her speech development.

5 years later, and with intensive speech therapy, she is almost on par with her peers.

Bullshiat. Studies have shown that children who have learning disabilities and developmental delay, such as autistics, demonstrate signs far before parents and even pediatricans realize it. These are things that, unless you're specifically trained to look for them, you will not find them.

Also, developmental disabilites are not diseases of stasis, they get better with age.

Head_Shot: Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not

Hundreds of high quality studies from dozens of countries around the world spread decades apart since the late 1990s say it is a coincidence. Which is more believable? That some hollywood actress says she "knows" her child is autistic because of vaccines thanks to her "mommy instinct" (and she'll gladly sell you a cure for 19.95/mo at this website!); or that we really don't know WHAT causes autism, but we suspect it's strongly linked with uterine development and genetic expression linked to neuronal cell growth, and that we have ruled out vaccines and vaccine adjuncts as a cause of it?

Lunchlady: Vaccines don't cause autism. There was one faulty and illegal test that linked vaccines and autism and then a bunch of shrill harpies. There is literally no comparison to be made between that and changing what we call Pluto.

And Wakefield is still at it. He, until recently when it was exposed he was in the US Practicing medicine without a license and performing unethical human experimentation using autistic children, was a founding member of Thoughtful House in Texas. This is a place which claims to "cure" autism, but only if you can afford their monthly premium.

Mega Steve: Don't you DARE bring logic and reason into this!

Sorry, I forgot. This is fark. I should have posted some heartwrenching cry-story about how my daughter's cousin thrice removed heard from her mother's friend that their cousin's son had a reaction to a vaccine, and now has autism. I forget that's what passes for proof on here.

sbking: So you will just change the name of vaccines when we have hard proof that they cause autisim (and other things) and then say you were always right - your logic is painful.

If you have proof that vaccines cause autism, in defiance of hundreds of high quality scientific studies, then - as the saying goes - whip it out and let's see who's got the biggest. I'll tattoo on my cock that "Vaccines cause Autism!" and gladly proclaim it to the world because it would then be true. Fortunately for my foreskin, however, we do not live in magical fantasy land, and autism is not caused by vaccines.

sbking: Did you know that no person has every had autism that has not had a vaccine? But you don't have an answer for that.

Don't tell Evan, Jenny McCarthy's kid that. Dan Olmsted too. They might suddenly realize their not autistic, then.