*puts on Carnac the Magnificent hat, holds envelope to head*

"Jeez it happened soooo long ago", "it's okay if he's a racist because he's better than 0bama", and "politicians can't be expected to know what's being sent out from their offices with their name on it".

*opens envelope*

"Name three apologies for Ron Paul soon to appear in this thread."

Pat Buchanan knows black and Jewish people too.

The ad, produced by Revolution PAC, stars James Williams, a black man from Matagorda County, Texas. Williams says that when he took his wife -- who is white -- to the hospital in the early 70's, the hospital staff ignored her.

"Then Ron Paul came to my rescue. He just stepped in and went to work with my wife," Williams says, relating the story of how Paul delivered their stillborn child and made sure the Williams family never received a bill.

That doesn't necessarily sound like racism by the hospital, that sounds like it could have been triage by the ER staff.
And Ron Paul isn't racist because he once had a white woman as a patient? That's a pretty low farking bar on not-racism - hell that's just a little above Ron Paul isn't a racist because he once hired my grandpappy to pick cotton.

I don't think there is any doubt that Paul is a racist homophobe
but at least he sometimes votes his libertarian principals and not his obvious prejudices.

It won't mind if the issue helps keep a gold standard simpleton away from influence over the biggest economy in the world though.

the_vegetarian_cannibal:

Came for this, leaving highly amused.

The real question is- if they can find this guy, why haven't they found a writer or editor from the newsletters to take one for the team?

Karac: That doesn't necessarily sound like racism by the hospital, that sounds like it could have been triage by the ER staff.

Yeah, I'm sure a small town hospital in Texas in the 70s was chalk full of progressives just hoping for the chance to take care of an interracial couple.

Came for a certain comedian's black klansman, leaving disappointed.

/I'll be back

arent we all just a little bit racist.

derpdeederp: arent we all just a little bit racist.

Yes we've all been a little bit racist enough to print racist newsletters for nearly a decade with our name on the header.

/Remember kids, Ron Paul isn't racist. He just does and says racist things.

ourbigdumbmouth: Is it possible to have black friends and still be a racist?

Hrmm..... I'd have to say yes.

CSB time, and I swear this is true.

I'm Latino, and I'm in KY. I knew this allegedly racist kid back in High School that spewed a lot of racist garbage, used the N-word liberally and generally referred to all minorities as "the enemy"...but he was super-cool with me. I would seriously hear him say things like "they're taking over our country, the white man is losing ground and we should just kick them all out, except for Zerochance over here. He's cool." He even swore up-and-down his family were all klansmen and he was going to be inducted when he got older.

He'd still sit down and have lunch with me and say "what's up" in the halls and stuff. He was genuinely friendly towards me. I never for the life of me understood what his deal was, but it was comical as fark.

Funniest thing I heard him say though was that he "ate pussy like it was ice cream".

I won't believe this until Donald Trump verifies it.

Is this the guy?



/dnrtfa

I don't think he really _is_ racist, he's just really, really libertarian, at least ostensibly (his voting history not so much). Which means he thinks that the government should make no effort to protect people from racism or other discrimination.

So sort of a de facto racist sympathizer, not racist himself. Which may be better or worse, I guess, depending on your POV there.

ourbigdumbmouth: Is it possible to have black friends and still be a racist?

Hrmm..... I'd have to say yes.

Is it possible to have white friends and be racist?

I'd say yes on that one too.

Most of my white friends happen to be idiots....

(and I'm white).

heh

I saw this link over on another website, and it was pointed out that the black gentleman speaking in the vid is (and was) basically a complete stranger to Paul, and that Paul took care of the bills. So that's cool at least, eh?

Link to a 23 page document about the "racist" issue... read at your own leisure, I didn't read it all.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/76280303/PaulNewslettersFaq-Tunk

I'm looking around to see if Dennis Kucinich has ever commented on the issue, since he and Paul are friends....

DamnYankees: Jim_Callahan: I don't think he really _is_ racist, he's just really, really libertarian, at least ostensibly (his voting history not so much). Which means he thinks that the government should make no effort to protect people from racism or other discrimination.

I don't think this makes any sense. Racism isn't a binary thing. It's a quality most people have to some degree. The question is - what do we do in our thoughts and actions to actually fight that part of ourselves?

It seems to me the answer for Paul is "mostly nothing" - and that's the generous answer.

Paul's tribal hangups are overwhelmingly religious, not racial, though. I don't think he actively discriminates much, being an OB-GYN in Texas wouldn't really be sustainable if he did, like 80% of the population being some sort of Zapotec mix.

I don't buy that anything short of actively going on a PC crusade is the same thing as actual racism, either. I grew up in a place where black people were literally excluded from many of the small towns in the county (albeit not in writing), there's a big difference between being racist and just letting things be.

the_vegetarian_cannibal: [img35.imageshack.us image 260x194]

/golf clap

DamnYankees: He is against the Civil Rights Act. That is, in and of itself, evidence that he does not have a sensitivity and appreciation for race relations.

Bullshiat. That might just mean the person is against forcing crowd control on private grounds. Look at Barry Goldwater, who opposed CRA, but long before the act even was introduced Goldwater owned one of the first businesses in Arizona to employ both black and white people in the same building.

People can oppose the CRA on principles other than race.

DamnYankees: Racism isn't a binary thing. It's a quality most people have to some degree.

Only a racist would say that. You know, to rationalize their racism.

Karac: The ad, produced by Revolution PAC, stars James Williams, a black man from Matagorda County, Texas. Williams says that when he took his wife -- who is white -- to the hospital in the early 70's, the hospital staff ignored her.

"Then Ron Paul came to my rescue. He just stepped in and went to work with my wife," Williams says, relating the story of how Paul delivered their stillborn child


RON PAUL ensured a mixed-race child was born dead?

cameroncrazy1984: Deftoons: DamnYankees: He is against the Civil Rights Act. That is, in and of itself, evidence that he does not have a sensitivity and appreciation for race relations.

Bullshiat. That might just mean the person is against forcing crowd control on private grounds. Look at Barry Goldwater, who opposed CRA, but long before the act even was introduced Goldwater owned one of the first businesses in Arizona to employ both black and white people in the same building.

People can oppose the CRA on principles other than race.

Ron Paul opposes the CRA because he feels that the "Free Market" wouldn't allow racism to prevail. And obviously he was wrong.

So what you're saying is that he's not racist, he's just an incredibly naive moron. That's way better.

Oh?

You're going to say, with a straight face, that cultural shifts are not voluntary at all, and government force ended racism?

Then the naive moron is not Ron Paul.

Deftoons: Look at Barry Goldwater, who opposed CRA

Goldwater's State's Rights platform was aimed squarely at pro-segregationists. He wasn't racist, but he was #1 with racists.

Deftoons: cameroncrazy1984: Deftoons: DamnYankees: He is against the Civil Rights Act. That is, in and of itself, evidence that he does not have a sensitivity and appreciation for race relations.

Bullshiat. That might just mean the person is against forcing crowd control on private grounds. Look at Barry Goldwater, who opposed CRA, but long before the act even was introduced Goldwater owned one of the first businesses in Arizona to employ both black and white people in the same building.

People can oppose the CRA on principles other than race.

Ron Paul opposes the CRA because he feels that the "Free Market" wouldn't allow racism to prevail. And obviously he was wrong.

So what you're saying is that he's not racist, he's just an incredibly naive moron. That's way better.

Oh?

You're going to say, with a straight face, that cultural shifts are not voluntary at all, and government force ended racism?

Then the naive moron is not Ron Paul.

God you are the worst apologist for this man I've ever encountered here.

And who cares about Goldwater? Is he some of hero to you, too?

some KIND of hero, even.

/why do I always accidentally the whole thing?

Deftoons: DamnYankees: He is against the Civil Rights Act. That is, in and of itself, evidence that he does not have a sensitivity and appreciation for race relations.

Bullshiat. That might just mean the person is against forcing crowd control on private grounds. Look at Barry Goldwater, who opposed CRA, but long before the act even was introduced Goldwater owned one of the first businesses in Arizona to employ both black and white people in the same building.

People can oppose the CRA on principles other than race.

Goldwater specifically wanted to appeal to white Southerners a couple of years before the CRA:

Goldwater's own 1962 statement, that - electorally - Republicans should "go hunting where the ducks are," a de facto rejection of the idea that Republicans should support the Civil Rights Act or even compete for the black vote, helped create an earthquake whose aftershocks resounded for three decades.


http://old.nationalreview.com/george/george071200.html

See also:

[Martin Luther] King declared that though Barry Goldwater was not racist, his positions gave aid and comfort to racists:


I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.

(same link)

In fact, let's just sum up RON PAUL for the non-jerkers:

1. Refuses to admit he published articles with blatant racism in them, and in so doing is RESPONSIBLE for their content

2. Wants to allow states to decide human rights, never mind that we've already got Constitutional protections. Yes, this includes abortion rights, gay rights, overturning the CRA

3. Wants to eliminate key federal government agencies such as:

the U.S. Department of Education
the U.S. Department of Energy
the U.S. Department of Commerce
the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
the Interstate Commerce Commission
the Internal Revenue Service

4. Does not believe in evolution

5. Does not believe that man-made climate change is even happening, let alone a critical issue

6. Wants to eliminate the US currency system and replace it with a "competitive" system

7. Wants to cut or eliminate critically needed social programs such as Medicare

Now why the f*ck would any of you support this?
Apologists need not respond.

Deftoons: DamnYankees: He is against the Civil Rights Act. That is, in and of itself, evidence that he does not have a sensitivity and appreciation for race relations.

Bullshiat. That might just mean the person is against forcing crowd control on private grounds. Look at Barry Goldwater, who opposed CRA, but long before the act even was introduced Goldwater owned one of the first businesses in Arizona to employ both black and white people in the same building.

People can oppose the CRA on principles other than race.

You brought up Goldwater? You know, it really doesn't help your argument when his campaign positions ended up producing an election result like this:



Fun fact: that election was the first time since Reconstruction that the Deep South states voted for a Republican over a Democrat.


Deftoons: Oh?

You're going to say, with a straight face, that cultural shifts are not voluntary at all, and government force ended racism?

Then the naive moron is not Ron Paul.

Right. Because Jim Crow and segregation slowly died down in the South over the gradually long period from the late 19th to mid 20th Century and by the 1960s, it was already an archaic institution that nobody supported anymore and was ended without any controversy. Government action was totally excessive and unnecessary.

/Ron Paul also uses this exact same BS argument for slavery Link (new window)

Deftoons: You're going to say, with a straight face, that cultural shifts are not voluntary at all, and government force ended racism?

Then the naive moron is not Ron Paul.

Federal power didn't end racism, but it ended Jim Crow laws, which helped society move away from state-sponsored racism. Even William Buckley (who fought vehemently against the Civil Rights movement in the 50s and 60s) admitted that.

When Time (4/5/04), asked if he'd taken any positions he'd come to regret, he answered: "Yes. I once believed we could evolve our way up from Jim Crow. I was wrong: Federal intervention was necessary."

This is not some big secret. Pat Buchanan also admitted it in a recent interview with Sean Hannity.

BUCHANAN: Well, I agree, I mean, I'll tell you why many African- Americans vote Democratic is because, you know, the federal government stopped, ended slavery, it ended segregation, it supported civil rights, supports affirmative action. But the Feds did that and they tend to believe in the federal government as a good, powerful positive institution, it's on our side. And Hannity and Buchanan and these guys are constantly knocking it, and that's why we are against them. So, that's an understandable position. But what I'm saying is it is a realistic statement to say that that's going to be the future as well.

Link (new window)

cameroncrazy1984: Deftoons: Oh?

You're going to say, with a straight face, that cultural shifts are not voluntary at all, and government force ended racism

No, government force ended discrimination in the South. There was no way it was going to happen on its own, at least not in the 60s.

Exactly. I think laws like this had something to do with it:

"Any person...who shall be guilty of printing, publishing or circulating printed, typewritten or written matter urging or presenting for public acceptance or general information, arguments or suggestions in favor of social equality or of intermarriage between whites and Negroes, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to fine not exceeding five thousand (5,000.00) dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six (6) months or both."

See also: The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission

globalwarmingpraiser: DROxINxTHExWIND: He touched the white wife, not the Negor husband.

Why couldn't Ron Paul have thrown his support to Gary Johnson? No racism and a lot of common sense. America would be better off.

Because there was...no racism and a lot of common sense?

..just not knowing that racism is a strange thought in the objectivist philosophy is making this thread stupid.

Yes, Ron Paul, that obvious racist and homophobe.

Amazing how for all the intricate sarcasm and encyclopedic grasp of pop culture references/internet memes -- a solid number of participants here are still happy to swallow everything they hear wholesale -- as long as it confirms their own prejudices.

Ron Paul: old white guy? Lives in Texas? RACIST HOMOPHOBE. Oh, and the newsletters and the bathroom story PROVE IT.

How does it make sense to believe this shiat AND still laugh at the dipshiats who think the Obama/Jeremiah Wright connection PROVE he's a secret Muslim?

heinrich66: How does it make sense to believe this shiat AND still laugh at the dipshiats who think the Obama/Jeremiah Wright connection PROVE he's a secret Muslim?

Um. derp?