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Well, maybe not the last time, but the first time certainly.

\splitting hairs, I know

I love close-up penetration shots.

They keep pushing me away.
/Catholic, and more and more embarrassed to admit it

Sounds like someone had a second coming....

The schools initially fired Ms Dias, 32, for being single and pregnant, Cincinnati.com reports.

When the schools discovered that violated several federal and state anti-discrimination laws, they said she was fired because she became pregnant using artificial insemination.

Ah yes us modern westerners are so much more enlightened than those damn muslim fellers.

Reverend James Kiffermeyer, who was himself suspended in 2002 after being accused of sexual misconduct, fired Ms Dias.

The Archdiocese made a financial settlement with one accuser, while the Vatican reviewed the cases and didn't discipline Mr Kiffermeyer.

Both men were over 18 at the time.

He was reinstated in 2006 and became pastor at Holy Family church.




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So they admitted firing for her for getting pregnant out of wedlock, then decided after they found out that was illegal that what they really meant was that she violated her employment contract? Yeah, I think I know which way this case will go.

Impasse: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x339]

I love close-up penetration shots.

FAP

That's like the opposite of abortion.

WWJD?

mab1823: Reverend James Kiffermeyer, who was himself suspended in 2002 after being accused of sexual misconduct, fired Ms Dias.

The Archdiocese made a financial settlement with one accuser, while the Vatican reviewed the cases and didn't discipline Mr Kiffermeyer.

Both men were over 18 at the time.

He was reinstated in 2006 and became pastor at Holy Family church.

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Sure, I banged a kid in the butt, but at least he didn't form the babby.

The contract Ms Dias signed called for employees to adhere to Catholic social teachings, including the avowal that having a child without a husband and out of wedlock is a 'grave immoral' act.


Those farking Catholics with their farking contracts....they should be murdered!

Also this:

Ms Dias said she is suing because, according to her, the school holds a double-standard.

Men who participate in artificial insemination don't have the tell-tale signs of pregnancy, she said, but the fact that it isn't enforced is much of the problem.

The schools attorneys said the case is all about Ms Dias violating her contract. They said any argument besides that would 'unavoidably put (Catholic) doctrine itself on trial.'

Sounds like homegirl's got an axe to grind.

Seems like the Christian thing to do would be to forgive her...

Sounds like the contract was an attempt to end-run religious discrimination laws.

...I mean, the Sacrament of Reconciliation, with its four Our Fathers and three Hail Marys followed by an Act of Contrition, should fix everything up nicely. Your sins are completely forgiven after that. Right? RIGHT??

WellBelowAverage: Sounds like homegirl's got an axe to grind.

Really? They fire a woman from a teaching position because she's pregnant out of wedlock and you don't have a problem with this? It's 2011 soon to be 2012 and you think it's acceptable for that sort of behavior? As for the contract how can a contract be based on 'catholic social teachings' at all? It's not like there is a uniform standard of 'catholic social teachings' to apply here. You can't just write that into a contract and expect it to hold water you need to clearly define what that consists of which is something the catholics haven't been able to do for 2000 years.

A nearby Catholic school had a similar situation. Some of the parents got pissed off and sent out an email to everyone they could in the school discussing the teacher's pregnancy and calling for her dismissal. The Bishop sent out a letter reminding people that the teacher was not Catholic, and we shouldn't go poking around into other people's lives. Buncha damn busybody parents.

Having /= conceiving. Such children are often easy to spot, as they often are named something like Jaleb or DeAntwon. No father would consent to such ridiculous names.

Dias says she shouldn't be punished for wanting children.

You're not being "punished", it's just a condition of employment.The Roman Catholic Church can DIAF for all I care, but if you want to work for them you're going to have to play by their rules. Otherwise, go teach somewhere else.

GacysBasement: They keep pushing me away.
/Catholic, and more and more embarrassed to admit it

How can you get more embarrassed than when you found out that you were (and probably still are) financially supporting a group that aids and protects pedophiles??

So.. it's immoral and a sin to have a child out of wedlock..

but it's immoral and a sin for rape victims to get abortons...

Why are there any women left in the Catholic Church anymore?

Why are there any women left in the Republican party anymore?

Fire a woman who's going to have an infant to support in four months? THAT's family values. Catholicism is fast approaching irrelevance for everyone but pedophiles, elderly prudes and illiterate third-worlders who believe in witchcraft.

I for one can't WAIT for Canada to decide we've had enough of these assholes and stop funding their insane separate school system.

No Such Agency: I for one can't WAIT for Canada to decide we've had enough of these assholes and stop funding their insane separate school system.

+1

Although online information contradicts it, I seem to recall that Mary was not a saint in the Catholic church. I was taught that she was considered better than saints because she lacked that whole original sin thing.

/ No longer believe in that stuff so kinda moot

There goes that whole "Judge not lest ye be judged" thingie. Oh wait, most overly religious folks politely ignore that anyway. Carry on then.

JesusGaveMuhammadAFacial: Why are there any women left in the Catholic Church anymore?

Why are there any women left in the Republican party anymore?

Because they don't let their women think for themselves.

One thing I used to love about the church was how they insisted that any boys enrolled there get their hair cut short. Why did I find this humorous? Look at the guy up on the cross, he's sporting a mullet.

So glad I'm free of this farked institution. Stories like this actually make me wish they would go on another crusade so I could feel justified in killing them.

kaseyfarksdaladies: I was taught that she was considered better than saints because she lacked that whole original sin thing.

Michael Hutchence would like a word with (and to choke) you.

Good. If contraception is a sin because it is against God's will, then so is fertility treatments and artificial insemination.

The best part, which the article failed to spot, is that all sorts of married female teachers at the school could be getting IVF without anyone the wiser. If I was her lawyer, I'd be asking the school to prove they check into every pregnant teacher's method of conception. Otherwise they're selectively enforcing their employment contract.

Reverend James Kiffermeyer, who was himself suspended in 2002 after being accused of sexual misconduct, fired Ms Dias.
The Archdiocese made a financial settlement with one accuser, while the Vatican reviewed the cases and didn't discipline Mr Kiffermeyer.
Both men were over 18 at the time.

WOOOOOOOOO! My old teacher! Someone I know made the news! I knew Father Kiffemeyer in the 90's - he was a really nice guy, and a flaming homosexual. Not a kiddy-diddler, he was just a balls-out man-lover with a high voice, a dance to his walk, and an alarmingly sharp eye for interior decoration. I only had a vague notion of what "flaming" actually meant until I met him. He couldn't hide it. The man sweated teh gay everywhere he went. He was an absolute joy to be around. He was always in a good mood and the mood was contagious.

His "suspension" was because of an affair with a gay student who was over the age of 18 when they went at it. We all felt bad for him at the time, but he was a teacher and he shouldn't be banging students. After four years they let him back in.

I haven't seen him in ages. I should look him up now that I know where he landed.

JesusGaveMuhammadAFacial: So.. it's immoral and a sin to have a child out of wedlock..

but it's immoral and a sin for rape victims to get abortons...

Why are there any women left in the Catholic Church anymore?

Why are there any women left in the Republican party anymore?

Abused women syndrome or possibly they are transgendered like Bachmann.

White Rose Duelist: So they admitted firing for her for getting pregnant out of wedlock, then decided after they found out that was illegal that what they really meant was that she violated her employment contract? Yeah, I think I know which way this case will go.

Not to mention, can an employee legally hold employees to contractual terms that violate law? I mean, if I put in my employment contract that employees may not be female, then if I fire all the women I'm not violating discrimination laws, right? I'm just holding my employees to the contract!

JesusGaveMuhammadAFacial: but it's immoral and a sin for rape victims to get abortons...

Does anyone have any factual information that says "of all abortions that have happened in the last X years, Y% were due to rape."

My thinking is since the 1980's, very few abortions are because of rape (real rape, not "get drunk at party, snogg a few people, end up pregnant and then claim rape"). But yet that is always tossed around by both sides of the aisle.

/things like this is reason # 521597887621369856218596248789521547721569689 why I'm not Catholic anymore

Lsherm: Reverend James Kiffermeyer, who was himself suspended in 2002 after being accused of sexual misconduct, fired Ms Dias.
The Archdiocese made a financial settlement with one accuser, while the Vatican reviewed the cases and didn't discipline Mr Kiffermeyer.
Both men were over 18 at the time.

WOOOOOOOOO! My old teacher! Someone I know made the news! I knew Father Kiffemeyer in the 90's - he was a really nice guy, and a flaming homosexual. Not a kiddy-diddler, he was just a balls-out man-lover with a high voice, a dance to his walk, and an alarmingly sharp eye for interior decoration. I only had a vague notion of what "flaming" actually meant until I met him. He couldn't hide it. The man sweated teh gay everywhere he went. He was an absolute joy to be around. He was always in a good mood and the mood was contagious.

His "suspension" was because of an affair with a gay student who was over the age of 18 when they went at it. We all felt bad for him at the time, but he was a teacher and he shouldn't be banging students. After four years they let him back in.

I haven't seen him in ages. I should look him up now that I know where he landed.

Probably arse up. 8)

Can't believe I'm the first saying it, but...

thread...

Catholic school girls/teachers...

with out pics...

You know... useless....

Egoy3k: WellBelowAverage: Sounds like homegirl's got an axe to grind.

Really? They fire a woman from a teaching position because she's pregnant out of wedlock and you don't have a problem with this? It's 2011 soon to be 2012 and you think it's acceptable for that sort of behavior? As for the contract how can a contract be based on 'catholic social teachings' at all? It's not like there is a uniform standard of 'catholic social teachings' to apply here. You can't just write that into a contract and expect it to hold HOLY water you need to clearly define what that consists of which is something the catholics haven't been able to do for 2000 years.

FTFY

In my years through the Catholic Ed system, I've also seen my share of parish priests, instructors and administrators who would have failed the most basic of 'is he teh ghey, do you think?' tests. Mincing, prancing, lisping, tittering, limp-wristed, eye-rolling poofters in black or brown - except for the holy days when the faaahbulous embroidery and silks got an airing - then the camp was on like a parade in Rio. But they weren't - at least to my knowledge - pederasts... they loooved their men. So it went.

Fast forward to this year. A friend of mine put his way thru night school while working full time to get his masters in education and administration - then his license - so he could either teach special ed or run a school. A few years ago, he took a job with a private catholic academy that works with special needs students and at risk youth. He works up from teacher to vice admin and finally, when an old nun retires, the admin job. That's when the trouble started. He started getting letters from the HR wing of the diocese reminding him that birth control, family planning services and other 'non-catholic' medical procedures weren't covered under his insurance. He was reminded by people up the chain of command that his employment was at-will and, did you know that even issues of morality - say, living in sin with an unmarried woman could - theoretically - be grounds for dismissal - say, why haven't you put a ring on your good womans' finger yet? - kinda things started happening with some frequency. He asked a lawyer if this could be considered harassment or intimidation and was told well, yes, probably... but how deep are your pockets and how thick is your patience compared to that of holy mother church? The last straw was when a nun was appointed by the diocese in the position of an overseer who started poking her nose into his school policies vis a vis their adherence to Catholic dogma (as opposed to modern, accepted educational methods). Seeing that this was a fight he wasn't going to win, he resigned. In his place they appointed the narrow-nosed nun who had coveted the job in the first place and was the ultimate cause of his being forced out.

/cool story, bro :)
//should have a 'end of post' button
///and more slashies!

Wow, this chick is about to get paaaaaiiiid. I wish my company would do something as foolish to me.

Not only do I love punishing bigoted idiocy, I really like money. Win-win if you ask me.

GacysBasement: They keep pushing me away.
/Catholic, and more and more embarrassed to admit it

You should be. Switch to christen non-demonical the Catholics are really screwed up and enjoy making things up that are not in the bible. Purgatory I didn't see that anywhere in the King James Bible. Never read anything where Jesus tells the people to pray to his mother Mary. I couldn't find the section that deals with not using birth control or having sex before marriage the only thing I found was better to marry than burn with lust which I took to mean better to have a partner than to be lusting over many women.

The woman in the story should have known the church would have a problem with her becoming pregnant out of wedlock. Not only did she lose her job, but she committed an sin according to her faith.

Le Geno Vert: (snip interesting story).

Catholics Schools here in Ontario, Canada are really starting to hit the social wall in the last couple of years and I cannot see how they will survive with public funding for another decade (there is the Catholic school system and the Public School system in Ontario -- people can choose on their tax forms which to support).

The main issue is acceptance and support of gay rights and allowing students to have anti-bullying groups around gender issues. I think the Catholic School Board (amusingly, CSB....) is spiraling the drain as they really cannot legitimately defend practices in the public eye that -- in other circumstances -- would be considered human rights violations. In Canada, the legal precedents seem to lean (not a lawyer, just saying) that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms trumps any religious quirks some group holds precious (as it should, IMO).

Culturally, the big difference with social conservatism is that in the USA it seems to be a significant lobby and portion of the voting public, whereas in Canada 'fundamentalist' conservative social values are really just a punchline.

Farking Canuck: GacysBasement: They keep pushing me away.
/Catholic, and more and more embarrassed to admit it

How can you get more embarrassed than when you found out that you were (and probably still are) financially supporting a group that aids and protects pedophiles??

Wow Ric, thanks for pointing that out! I hadn't considered that in regard to my post. Truth is, after the reprehensible sex abuse scandal I have tried to focus on those of my faith that feed the poor, aid the sick etc. It just is getting ridiculous that a faith built on accountability, reconciliation and forgiveness seems to embrace none of those things.

The church's extreme views on procreation are sofa king transparent it's absurd. They engage in boundless logical gymnastics to twist the ONE passage in bible that that remotely touches the subject.

A dude squirts his load on the ground after God tells him to impregnate his dead brother's wife. God smites for not following explicit instructions. It's not like he later had that semen artificailly insiminate his sister-in-law and THEN got smited.