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2011-12-28 11:55:06 PM
Ghastly's log: Stardate 26317.321

Drew porn today. I think my first officer wants to do me on Leap Week. Teenage girls will write stories about this. Boobie, boobie, penis.

Ghastly out.
 
2011-12-29 12:10:30 AM
This is what an anal-retentive calendar looks like

/calendar nerd
//next year is AG, the first since 1984
 
2011-12-29 12:16:29 AM
Pope Gregory XIII is not amused.
 
2011-12-29 12:21:52 AM
As long as the Extra Week is a free week off of work, I'm OK with this.
 
2011-12-29 01:23:57 AM
The USA can't even adopt the farking metric system, so good luck with that.
 
2011-12-29 01:59:52 AM
And still no cure for daylight savings time.
 
2011-12-29 02:49:58 AM
what a bunch of dumbasses

1) 12 months of 30 days = 360 days
2) 5 - 6 fill days fall between dec 30th and jan 1st

tada
no trying to remember which farktard months have how many days.
extra vacation days at the end of the year
no stupid extra weeks

/people who complain about their birthday are ignored as always
/woot, my bday is the 31st. I will never get older!!!!!

/why do tards want to make everything so logical an uniform? sigh
 
2011-12-29 03:25:26 AM
The calendar should look like this:
April
August
December
February
January
July
June
March
May
November
October
September


/CDO
 
2011-12-29 03:42:05 AM
An even better calendar: 13 months of 28 days with a "New Years" day, between the 28th of December and the 1st of January; and a "Leap Day" every four years, say, between the 28th of June and the 1st of July.

But too many superstitious idiots would lose their shiat with a 13-month calendar.
 
2011-12-29 03:44:06 AM
If you are trying to make a calendar rational, why is it necessairy to stick with the 7 day week?
 
2011-12-29 03:51:54 AM
SN1987a goes boom: If you are trying to make a calendar rational, why is it necessairy to stick with the 7 day week?

Moon cycles are 28 days. Half of that is 14. Half of that is 7.

Thank you.
 
2011-12-29 03:56:31 AM
Christmas and New Years should fall on either Friday or Saturday. You know, for recovery.
 
2011-12-29 03:56:53 AM
rocky_howard: SN1987a goes boom: If you are trying to make a calendar rational, why is it necessairy to stick with the 7 day week?

Moon cycles are 28 days. Half of that is 14. Half of that is 7.

Thank you.


Which is why the full moon is always on the same day of the week, right?


Oops.
 
2011-12-29 03:57:11 AM
rocky_howard: SN1987a goes boom: If you are trying to make a calendar rational, why is it necessairy to stick with the 7 day week?

Moon cycles are 28 days. Half of that is 14. Half of that is 7.

Thank you.


actually 29.530588853 + 0.000000002162 days.
 
2011-12-29 04:12:57 AM
SN1987a goes boom: If you are trying to make a calendar rational, why is it necessairy to stick with the 7 day week?

The answer is "it's not necessary at all." The guy in TFA just apparently didn't think of it or thought it would be too difficult to change.

If we're going to get creative, I would prefer a year made up of 73 weeks, each of which is 5 days long. As far as I'm concerned, since 73 is prime, we could just name them "week 1" through "week 73" and not divide them into months at all. Or we could make 9 months of 8 weeks, or 18 months of 4 weeks, and then add an extra week at the end of the year, like the Romans did.
 
2011-12-29 04:27:21 AM
My birthday will be on a weekend forever. I support this.
 
2011-12-29 04:31:57 AM
"both Christmas and New Year's Day would forever fall on Sunday"

Forever ruining the Christmas/New Year-on-a-Thursday extra long weekend for everyone.

Sit down and shut up, Dick.
=Smidge=
 
2011-12-29 04:37:39 AM
Ed Grubermann: An even better calendar: 13 months of 28 days with a "New Years" day, between the 28th of December and the 1st of January; and a "Leap Day" every four years, say, between the 28th of June and the 1st of July.

But too many superstitious idiots would lose their shiat with a 13-month calendar.


I have no superstition-based objection, but I wouldn't be too happy about my annual rent suddenly going up 8.3% because I was paying it 13 times a year instead of 12.
 
2011-12-29 04:40:57 AM
imgs.xkcd.com

Any way to work this into the new system?
 
2011-12-29 04:56:05 AM
taurusowner: Any way to work this into the new system?

If it does ever work out...work it right back in!
 
2011-12-29 05:14:20 AM
Very topical for me.
Trying to make a new time system/calendar as i type.
/must work for earth/moon/mars
 
2011-12-29 05:22:20 AM
I'm a third shifter, my calendar is farked enough as is. I can barely get people around me to understand that 10 am is the "middle of the night" for me and to "leave me the fark alone"

/does help with my drinking though
 
2011-12-29 05:26:46 AM
FloydA: SN1987a goes boom: If you are trying to make a calendar rational, why is it necessairy to stick with the 7 day week?

The answer is "it's not necessary at all." The guy in TFA just apparently didn't think of it or thought it would be too difficult to change.

If we're going to get creative, I would prefer a year made up of 73 weeks, each of which is 5 days long. As far as I'm concerned, since 73 is prime, we could just name them "week 1" through "week 73" and not divide them into months at all. Or we could make 9 months of 8 weeks, or 18 months of 4 weeks, and then add an extra week at the end of the year, like the Romans did.


actually the guy in the article explains why they had to stick with 7 day weeks.

as with most nice things we can't have, it's because right wing religious nut-jobs would freak out about it.
 
2011-12-29 05:43:05 AM
Yeah, just what we need...yet another proposed calendar reform... (new window)
 
2011-12-29 05:47:28 AM
When I was 12, I figured out the lengthening the second by some tiny amount, we could have 365 24 hour days that fit exactly in one solar orbit without any leap days, (or weeks). No one would ever have to buy a calendar again, but everyone would need a new watch.

What i didn't add up was that 2 years into this, the sun would be rising at 6pm and setting at 6am.
 
2011-12-29 05:50:21 AM
Commander Corn: I'm a third shifter, my calendar is farked enough as is. I can barely get people around me to understand that 10 am is the "middle of the night" for me and to "leave me the fark alone"

/does help with my drinking though


`
Worked all 4 shifts - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and swing shift. 2nd is the best for partying - in @ 3pm, out @ 11pm, quick shower and at the bar before 12am.
 
2011-12-29 05:51:26 AM
I'm working on the Sinead O'Calendar...each week is 7 hours and 15 days long.
 
2011-12-29 05:53:06 AM
But, if we straighten out the calendar, it'll be harder to find out who the autistic savants are!
 
2011-12-29 06:00:27 AM
brainlordmesomorph: When I was 12, I figured out the lengthening the second by some tiny amount, we could have 365 24 hour days that fit exactly in one solar orbit without any leap days, (or weeks). No one would ever have to buy a calendar again, but everyone would need a new watch.

What i didn't add up was that 2 years into this, the sun would be rising at 6pm and setting at 6am.


I like that.

I don't really know enough about planetary and solar cycles to know if this is possible, but I have wondered if there is some way would could remeasure time to fit in with a base 10 system, like the metric system, but for time. 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, and so forth. I doubt it would work, but I wish it could.
 
2011-12-29 06:03:39 AM
I love that ending quote after arguing the entire article for calendar reform.

"What the devil difference does it make what it.says on the calendar?"

Doctor, heal thyself.
 
2011-12-29 06:17:42 AM
taurusowner: brainlordmesomorph: When I was 12, I figured out the lengthening the second by some tiny amount, we could have 365 24 hour days that fit exactly in one solar orbit without any leap days, (or weeks). No one would ever have to buy a calendar again, but everyone would need a new watch.

What i didn't add up was that 2 years into this, the sun would be rising at 6pm and setting at 6am.

I like that.

I don't really know enough about planetary and solar cycles to know if this is possible, but I have wondered if there is some way would could remeasure time to fit in with a base 10 system, like the metric system, but for time. 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, and so forth. I doubt it would work, but I wish it could.


It could: Metric Time

The French tried it when they introduced the metric system, it didn't catch on.
 
2011-12-29 07:15:49 AM
This calender is a perfect example of work done by someone with no social life what so ever. X-mas on sunday forever? What aboot Boxing Day? It may be scoofed at south of the border, but is a time honoured drinking day elsewhere. Not to mention the biggest shopping day of the year. Wednesday X-mas is the best. It gives you 2 Fridays in a row when absolutly nothing will get done.

And this attack on my beloved DST? WTF I say. DST saves electricity by putting off the use of lighting for one hour in the evening. Over the whole grid the savings are substantial. It also allows for beautiful summer evenings where it doesn't get dark until almost 10pm this far north. FU if you can't keep it together and drive without crashing.

\This Poindexter should stick to his theories and leave living life to ppl with friends
 
2011-12-29 07:46:59 AM
Boatmech: Commander Corn: I'm a third shifter, my calendar is farked enough as is. I can barely get people around me to understand that 10 am is the "middle of the night" for me and to "leave me the fark alone"

/does help with my drinking though

`
Worked all 4 shifts - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and swing shift. 2nd is the best for partying - in @ 3pm, out @ 11pm, quick shower and at the bar before 12am.


Doesn't seem good for partying to me but that's because the law requires bars to close at 2 AM here. I need more than 3 hours of drinking.

MurphyMurphy: actually the guy in the article explains why they had to stick with 7 day weeks.

as with most nice things we can't have, it's because right wing religious nut-jobs would freak out about it.


I think a lot of people would freak out about it. As long as you keep Saturday and Sunday in the calendar week, I don't see why religious nut-jobs in particular would freak any worse than anyone else.

Green Bastard: And this attack on my beloved DST? WTF I say. DST saves electricity by putting off the use of lighting for one hour in the evening. Over the whole grid the savings are substantial. It also allows for beautiful summer evenings where it doesn't get dark until almost 10pm this far north. FU if you can't keep it together and drive without crashing.

Citation needed on energy savings. A lot of people loathe DST and my thermostat is now confused as to what time it is. And those people who crash just might crash into you. Lots of time and money is wasted as IT departments insure their computers will update the time correctly and they require special programming for payroll systems. I know what you're thinking - we've been doing DST forever this shouldn't be an issue anymore, but trust me it is even if it's just some executive demanding that IT staff test to make sure it's going to work properly.

Let's just go on DST full time - or just negotiate earlier working hours if you love daylight after work so much.

I just said fark it this year - I've got 2 clocks still on DST. They remind me what time it should be right now.
 
2011-12-29 07:59:56 AM
mr lawson: Very topical for me.
Trying to make a new time system/calendar as i type.
/must work for earth/moon/mars


I'm pretty sure that itwould be impossible to do and keep the same cultural conventions such as sunrise and sunset at the same time. Or without monkeying how long a "day" is.

Though a Martian calandar with an easy conversion should be possible.
 
2011-12-29 08:07:21 AM
I bet this calendar would result in a sharp uptick of women inducing labor so that their kids will have weekend birthdays.
 
2011-12-29 08:19:16 AM
FloydA: rocky_howard: SN1987a goes boom: If you are trying to make a calendar rational, why is it necessairy to stick with the 7 day week?

Moon cycles are 28 days. Half of that is 14. Half of that is 7.

Thank you.

Which is why the full moon is always on the same day of the week, right?


Oops.


As Tarkus explained, it's not a perfect equivalency, so it tends to rotate 1 day every cycle.

But that IS the reason why we have 7 days weeks.
 
2011-12-29 08:23:06 AM
Let's just have a month-long party every 30-ish years instead.

29 days that officially don't exist according to the calendar, and hey, you won't remember anything that happened during those weeks anyway.

/even the thing with the goat. especially the thing with the goat.
 
2011-12-29 08:26:15 AM
Boatmech: Commander Corn: I'm a third shifter, my calendar is farked enough as is. I can barely get people around me to understand that 10 am is the "middle of the night" for me and to "leave me the fark alone"

/does help with my drinking though

`
Worked all 4 shifts - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and swing shift. 2nd is the best for partying - in @ 3pm, out @ 11pm, quick shower and at the bar before 12am.


Agreed! 2nd shift ruled for combining school (classes 10-2), work, and partying. All the other shifts (in the hospital) were problematic - both 1st shifts (starting at 5 am or 7 am) were just way too fricking early; 3rd shift paid a nice differential but I could never get used to going to bed at 8 am. I worked 'em all at one point or another, though.
 
2011-12-29 08:26:18 AM
I will support any calendar that gets rid of DST.

Anything that also upsets 32 year old women by making their omg woooo birthday always on Tuesday is just gravy.
 
2011-12-29 08:27:05 AM
Mrbogey: mr lawson: Very topical for me.
Trying to make a new time system/calendar as i type.
/must work for earth/moon/mars

I'm pretty sure that itwould be impossible to do and keep the same cultural conventions such as sunrise and sunset at the same time. Or without monkeying how long a "day" is.

Though a Martian calandar with an easy conversion should be possible.


1. a lunar day is 28 days,
2. a martian year is something like 2 years.
and 3. the human body has evolved for a 24 hour day. Screw with that and we start to get psychotic, (ever see the movie "Insomnia"?)

no, space travellers will have to stick to Earth time. Artificially brightening and darkening their space habitats on a 12 hour cycle.It won't matter where the sun is.
 
2011-12-29 08:33:00 AM
365 months of one day each.
 
2011-12-29 08:33:24 AM
brainlordmesomorph: Mrbogey: mr lawson: Very topical for me.
Trying to make a new time system/calendar as i type.
/must work for earth/moon/mars

I'm pretty sure that itwould be impossible to do and keep the same cultural conventions such as sunrise and sunset at the same time. Or without monkeying how long a "day" is.

Though a Martian calandar with an easy conversion should be possible.

1. a lunar day is 28 days,
2. a martian year is something like 2 years.
and 3. the human body has evolved for a 24 hour day. Screw with that and we start to get psychotic, (ever see the movie "Insomnia"?)

no, space travellers will have to stick to Earth time. Artificially brightening and darkening their space habitats on a 12 hour cycle.It won't matter where the sun is.


Lunar day is sort of irrelevant anyway, since you won't be living on the surface, but more likely underground.

Martian days are at least fairly close to 24h. The difference is less than an hour, it's nothing people can't adjust to.
 
2011-12-29 08:34:20 AM
If this guy were serious he wouldn't feel constrained by a 7 day week. What we really need is an 8 day week with three day weekends. We could wedge a Neptuneday in between Wednesday and Thursday and take Fridays off.
 
2011-12-29 08:41:32 AM
Weigard: I will support any calendar that gets rid of DST.

Anything that also upsets 32 year old women by making their omg woooo birthday always on Tuesday is just gravy.


The problem that I have with getting rid of DST is that in the midsummer the sun would rise here at 3am, and that's just not right.
 
2011-12-29 08:48:14 AM
This sounds like someone with too much OCD and free time on their hands. The system has worked just fine for years, and I say this as a leap year baby who never gets a birthday.

/except this year... finally!
 
2011-12-29 08:52:25 AM
FloydA: The calendar should look like this:
April
August
December
February
January
July
June
March
May
November
October
September


/CDO


Wrong!!

July
May
April
June
March
August
January
October
February
November
December
September
 
2011-12-29 08:53:03 AM
Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: brainlordmesomorph: Mrbogey: mr lawson: Very topical for me.
Trying to make a new time system/calendar as i type.
/must work for earth/moon/mars

I'm pretty sure that itwould be impossible to do and keep the same cultural conventions such as sunrise and sunset at the same time. Or without monkeying how long a "day" is.

Though a Martian calandar with an easy conversion should be possible.

1. a lunar day is 28 days,
2. a martian year is something like 2 years.
and 3. the human body has evolved for a 24 hour day. Screw with that and we start to get psychotic, (ever see the movie "Insomnia"?)

no, space travellers will have to stick to Earth time. Artificially brightening and darkening their space habitats on a 12 hour cycle.It won't matter where the sun is.

Lunar day is sort of irrelevant anyway, since you won't be living on the surface, but more likely underground.

Martian days are at least fairly close to 24h. The difference is less than an hour, it's nothing people can't adjust to.


Actually, that is the least of my concerns.
It is beginning to look like a combination of unix-like timing, metric timing, all based on ephemeris timing of pulsars

/what absolute pain in the ass this is becoming
 
2011-12-29 09:03:23 AM
brainlordmesomorph: the human body has evolved for a 24 hour day. Screw with that and we start to get psychotic, (ever see the movie "Insomnia"?)

Are you sure about that? I remember reading about a study where they found people were more attuned to something like a 25+ hour day. It was a long time ago and can't find the reference and perhaps their methodology was flawed but what makes you think we're perfectly evolved for what we happened to be living with now?

I never saw that movie, but I am quite familiar with insomnia. It's 7 AM right now - I should be just waking up. Instead I've been up since about midnite after sleeping 4-5 hours. The good news is I don't think I suffer from FFI.
 
2011-12-29 09:05:16 AM
brainlordmesomorph: Mrbogey: mr lawson: Very topical for me.
Trying to make a new time system/calendar as i type.
/must work for earth/moon/mars

I'm pretty sure that itwould be impossible to do and keep the same cultural conventions such as sunrise and sunset at the same time. Or without monkeying how long a "day" is.

Though a Martian calandar with an easy conversion should be possible.

1. a lunar day is 28 days,
2. a martian year is something like 2 years.
and 3. the human body has evolved for a 24 hour day. Screw with that and we start to get psychotic, (ever see the movie "Insomnia"?)

no, space travellers will have to stick to Earth time. Artificially brightening and darkening their space habitats on a 12 hour cycle.It won't matter where the sun is.


Hahahahahahhahah hohohhooohoho aaahhah ahhaahhahaaa!! Good one!
 
2011-12-29 09:09:34 AM
Happy Hours: It's 7 AM right now - I should be just waking up. Instead I've been up since about midnite after sleeping 4-5 hours. The good news is I don't think I suffer from FFI.

There are nutjobs through history that were thought to only need 4-6 hours of sleep instead of the doctor recommended hours.

My suggestion is to impregnate as many women (who also have this trait) as possible. That way, future generations of humans will only sleep four hours a night.
 
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