That stuff almost killed me.

Tank_Fuzzbutt: That stuff almost killed me.

I've known 2 people that had horrible side effects from that stuff.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll take "Doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies" for $500.00, Alex

Yes this. Repeat customers.

AbbeySomeone: Tank_Fuzzbutt: That stuff almost killed me.

I've known 2 people that had horrible side effects from that stuff.
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Add two more that I know. Awful stuff.

I am left to wonder if Lipitor, and drugs like it, hurt more than they help. I know a few guys that take it and their attitude is "I don't need to exercise or eat right, I have this drug to keep me from getting a heart attack". One guy in particular kept getting fatterr until he developed Type II diabetes, then his attitude was ""no problem, I will just take this diabetes pill in addition to my Lipitor".

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll take "Doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies" for $500.00, Alex

Oh believe me, more than $500 was involved.

ToxicMunkee: Pumpernickel bread: I am left to wonder if Lipitor, and drugs like it, hurt more than they help. I know a few guys that take it and their attitude is "I don't need to exercise or eat right, I have this drug to keep me from getting a heart attack". One guy in particular kept getting fatterr until he developed Type II diabetes, then his attitude was ""no problem, I will just take this diabetes pill in addition to my Lipitor".

My dad started taking Lipitor because changing his diet was too hard. He simply refused to try.

That would piss me off.
zetar: AbbeySomeone: Tank_Fuzzbutt: That stuff almost killed me.

I've known 2 people that had horrible side effects from that stuff.
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Add two more that I know. Awful stuff.

I found a cool site called askapatient.com that has reviews from people that have taken various meds. The reviews for that stuff were frightening.

ToxicMunkee: AbbeySomeone: ToxicMunkee: Pumpernickel bread: I am left to wonder if Lipitor, and drugs like it, hurt more than they help. I know a few guys that take it and their attitude is "I don't need to exercise or eat right, I have this drug to keep me from getting a heart attack". One guy in particular kept getting fatterr until he developed Type II diabetes, then his attitude was ""no problem, I will just take this diabetes pill in addition to my Lipitor".

My dad started taking Lipitor because changing his diet was too hard. He simply refused to try.

That would piss me off.


Oh, it pisses me off.

Blood sugar issues aren't uncommon when taking those meds. They want repeat customers. I have no patience with people that eat crap and then complain about their health.

Pumpernickel bread: One guy in particular kept getting fatterr until he developed Type II diabetes, then his attitude was ""no problem, I will just take this diabetes pill in addition to my Lipitor".

How depressing -- maybe he should be taking Prozac.

drewsclues: Generation_D: Gen_D's Rule of Medicine: Anything that has come on the market since about 1993 or so is inherently suspect and wrong. Avoid. If the doctor recommends, seek second opinion.


The FDA changing rules, the various commercial incentives, and outright fraud, not to mention pharma companies bribing congressmen and paying off victims...

farking this.

I love how all these drugs are supposedly making our lives better, but heart disease is still kills as many, if not more, in America. Have anti-depressants really made people happier and more productive? Show me the numbers.

I have never met a single person that has started on some drug regimen and gotten better. I always gets worse, with side effects.

ToxicMunkee: AbbeySomeone: ToxicMunkee: Pumpernickel bread: I am left to wonder if Lipitor, and drugs like it, hurt more than they help. I know a few guys that take it and their attitude is "I don't need to exercise or eat right, I have this drug to keep me from getting a heart attack". One guy in particular kept getting fatterr until he developed Type II diabetes, then his attitude was ""no problem, I will just take this diabetes pill in addition to my Lipitor".

My dad started taking Lipitor because changing his diet was too hard. He simply refused to try.

That would piss me off.


Oh, it pisses me off.

you have my sympathy. mine changed his diet, and kinda had fun finding new foods and trying new things. still misses his sausage though.

Went low-carb in August, down 45lbs now from 500lbs. Got a ways to go. I wish I could find a non-artificial way to motivate myself to exercise though. I mean, I do put more spring in my step, so to speak, but I really am a lazy SOB at heart. Still, at least the weight is being lost regardless of my activity level.

I always knew I would never resort to diet pills though. They seem like too much of a cop out to me, like they cure the symptom but not the disease.

Man On Fire: ToxicMunkee: AbbeySomeone: ToxicMunkee: Pumpernickel bread: I am left to wonder if Lipitor, and drugs like it, hurt more than they help. I know a few guys that take it and their attitude is "I don't need to exercise or eat right, I have this drug to keep me from getting a heart attack". One guy in particular kept getting fatterr until he developed Type II diabetes, then his attitude was ""no problem, I will just take this diabetes pill in addition to my Lipitor".

My dad started taking Lipitor because changing his diet was too hard. He simply refused to try.

That would piss me off.


Oh, it pisses me off.

you have my sympathy. mine changed his diet, and kinda had fun finding new foods and trying new things. still misses his sausage though.

While I have to miss sweets and starches rather than sausages, I can vouch that culinary experimentation is a vital component to dietary success.

Pumpernickel bread: I am left to wonder if Lipitor, and drugs like it, hurt more than they help. I know a few guys that take it and their attitude is "I don't need to exercise or eat right, I have this drug to keep me from getting a heart attack". One guy in particular kept getting fatterr until he developed Type II diabetes, then his attitude was ""no problem, I will just take this diabetes pill in addition to my Lipitor".

The thing is that your body already is supposed to regulating your cholesterol levels, and diet and exercise has only very little to do with them at all. My doctor said a poor diet will only kick up your cholesterol levels 20-30 points.

Personally, I don't eat too badly and my cholesterol is in the middle-high 300's. Crestor was the only thing that could tame the beast, but that's $350 a month I don't have. And, no, I don't eat lard and my BMI (a bs statistic regardless) is in the overweight range. Of course, when you have to lift steel around all day you tend to get some muscle mass.

Marcus Aurelius: Pfizer benefited from some lucky timing: Lipitor went on sale in 1997, the year the Food and Drug Administration first allowed drug ads targeting consumers. So Pfizer spent tens of millions on ads

And today they spend far more on marketing than on R&D. It's just more profitable that way.

/sick

Yeah, it became the top selling drug because of advertising, its not a mystery at all.

They need to go back to banning ads for drugs and forcing them to bring them all in under a $100 max price, this $300 for a month supply of pills is bullshiat

Hey subby, maybe fatty-fat fat is ok to use when addressing the unwashed masses. But this is Fark, and the correct and proper usage has always been FATTY FATTY FAT FAT!!!

/I just think things should work properly

I have to add this to every Lipitor thread, just as a warning. The side effects I experienced (so, YMMV) were horrific. Extremely easy to notice too - nothing subtle. Severe heartburn, loss of short term memory (and mine's normally excellent - work in finance and carry a lot of numbers around in my head) and confusion. Week two: walked into traffic without noticing it, having spent my whole life being one of those super-aware people who simply *don't do that*.

The worst experience of my life. Symptoms went away gradually after one or two weeks.

Obviously, it works for a lot of people. When it doesn't - hoo boy....

Lipitor did go generic this year. But if you want to see some real fun, wait until Plavix goes generic next year. Lipitor probably ranks somewhere around 70 on my list of top 100 drugs sold. There are to many alternatives which are cheap as hell like pravastatin or simvastatin.

Plavix is my number one lady, though. You can add the other top 40 drugs in the pharmacy and they STILL do not add up to the gross sales from Plavix.

I signed a confidentiality agreement and cannot comment on Lipitor.

I can say those TV commercials were very effective.

drewsclues: Generation_D: Gen_D's Rule of Medicine: Anything that has come on the market since about 1993 or so is inherently suspect and wrong. Avoid. If the doctor recommends, seek second opinion.


The FDA changing rules, the various commercial incentives, and outright fraud, not to mention pharma companies bribing congressmen and paying off victims...

farking this.

I love how all these drugs are supposedly making our lives better, but heart disease is still kills as many, if not more, in America. Have anti-depressants really made people happier and more productive? Show me the numbers.

Unfortunately, people wants doctors to cater to them, not actually help them in healthy ways which might require a little work on the patient's part. A big part of this is due to the marketing of Rx, but the doctors have to play into it too. I have a doctor who's general recommendation is more exercise and only meds as a last resort. That's what most meds should be. Instead people want to take the easy way out first and blame everyone else when it turns out those pills aren't safe.

I prefer the term "Fasto Bobatso", thank you.

Is Lipitor the one that causes anal leakage? If that drug became number 2 I would start a colostomy bag distributor.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll take "Doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies" for $500.00, Alex

Don't forget your Pharmacists. Dad (retired Rx) enjoyed the free meals provided by the drug companies. Or as he called it 'Friday.'

Doctors & Pharmacist who listen, or even worse, perform the drug company advertisement dances need to wear sponsor logos.

Petey4335: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll take "Doctors getting kickbacks from drug companies" for $500.00, Alex

Don't forget your Pharmacists. Dad (retired Rx) enjoyed the free meals provided by the drug companies. Or as he called it 'Friday.'

Doctors & Pharmacist who listen, or even worse, perform the drug company advertisement dances need to wear sponsor logos.

Speaking as a pharmacist, I can tell you that not one pharmacist I know would make a single recommendation based on a free meal or personal bias.
That being said, my hospital recently switched Lipitor to formulary as an auto-sub for Zocor(Simvastatin). Less side effects, lower rate of incidence, far more effective than Zocor.
As far as the drug "causing more harm than good" because people get lazy once they're on it, well that's their own damn fault. I've never met a single pharmacist or doctor that said to a patient "now that you're on this, you don't have to exercise or eat right." It's precisely the opposite.

wholedamnshow: As far as the drug "causing more harm than good" because people get lazy once they're on it, well that's their own damn fault. I've never met a single pharmacist or doctor that said to a patient "now that you're on this, you don't have to exercise or eat right." It's precisely the opposite.

Well that's good news. It means they may be more vulnerable to the placebo effect.

Lord Binky: Went low-carb in August, down 45lbs now from 500lbs. Got a ways to go. I wish I could find a non-artificial way to motivate myself to exercise though. I mean, I do put more spring in my step, so to speak, but I really am a lazy SOB at heart. Still, at least the weight is being lost regardless of my activity level.

I always knew I would never resort to diet pills though. They seem like too much of a cop out to me, like they cure the symptom but not the disease.

My wife did the medically monitored HMR diet and lost around 170 pounds in less than a year. It's expensive (since you eat nothing but their food) but it seems to work and she has been maintaining weight since she has been off it.

Stibium: Pumpernickel bread: I am left to wonder if Lipitor, and drugs like it, hurt more than they help. I know a few guys that take it and their attitude is "I don't need to exercise or eat right, I have this drug to keep me from getting a heart attack". One guy in particular kept getting fatterr until he developed Type II diabetes, then his attitude was ""no problem, I will just take this diabetes pill in addition to my Lipitor".

The thing is that your body already is supposed to regulating your cholesterol levels, and diet and exercise has only very little to do with them at all. My doctor said a poor diet will only kick up your cholesterol levels 20-30 points.

Personally, I don't eat too badly and my cholesterol is in the middle-high 300's. Crestor was the only thing that could tame the beast, but that's $350 a month I don't have. And, no, I don't eat lard and my BMI (a bs statistic regardless) is in the overweight range. Of course, when you have to lift steel around all day you tend to get some muscle mass.

Or you could skip happy hour every night on the way home and have a nice salad with dinner with the family beside you