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rocinante721
2011-12-28 12:50:29 PM
Because nobody wants to play >>$100 to stare at a giant TV screen?
lajotu
2011-12-28 01:45:07 PM
Too lazy to look up the numbers, but don't the actual ass-in-chair seats sell out every game? It's only the number of people willing to stand in the halls and outside the actual stadium that fluctuates game-to-game, year-to-year?
Yanks_RSJ
2011-12-28 01:50:52 PM
Well in defense of the fans, maybe they weren't confident the seats would actually be there if they showed up.
Killer Cars
2011-12-28 01:52:29 PM
Yanks_RSJ
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Well in defense of the fans, maybe they weren't confident the seats would actually be there if they showed up.
I think we can close the thread right here. Thanks for playing everyone, and drive safely.
Shakes999
2011-12-28 01:53:14 PM
75$ parking strangely absent from article.
hbk72777
2011-12-28 01:55:49 PM
They're probably realizing Romo is a Kerry Collins type QB. Good enough, but not going to get you a title.
Treygreen13
2011-12-28 01:59:24 PM
Dafatone
2011-12-28 02:02:11 PM
The Cowboys are going to be 9-7 or 8-8. That's decent.
/kinda tired of all the "if you're not great you suck!" hyperbole.
//hates the Cowboys.
The $25000 Dodecahedron
2011-12-28 02:06:17 PM
Yanks_RSJ
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Well in defense of the fans, maybe they weren't confident the seats would actually be there if they showed up.
Winnar.
iron_city_ap
2011-12-28 02:06:48 PM
rocinante721
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Because nobody wants to play >>$100 to stare at a giant TV screen?
THIS. Why would anyone want to pay $100+ to watch the game on TV when you can watch it for free at home and also not pay 2 easy payments of $39.95 per beer, have no line for the pisser, and can swear all you want? I enjoy going to games from time to time, but I'd hate it if I was distracted by some monsterous TV eating half of my viewpoint (even though not the game itself).
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:09:42 PM
Didn't Cowboys Stadium JUST set an attendance record? Not sure what the record is, but they got
almost 96,000 people
(new window) in there for the Giants game a couple of weeks ago.
And seriously, the numbers are down to "just" 85,000 fans per game? What a stupid farking article. 28 out of the 31 stadiums in the league can't even hold 85,000 fans on a good day.
Treygreen13
2011-12-28 02:10:52 PM
iron_city_ap
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rocinante721: Because nobody wants to play >>$100 to stare at a giant TV screen?
THIS. Why would anyone want to pay $100+ to watch the game on TV when you can watch it for free at home and also not pay 2 easy payments of $39.95 per beer, have no line for the pisser, and can swear all you want? I enjoy going to games from time to time, but I'd hate it if I was distracted by some monsterous TV eating half of my viewpoint (even though not the game itself).
I don't go to the games because it is too expensive compared to sitting at home. Of course it's also the reason I don't go to the Rangers or Mavericks games either. Or the TCU games. The only live events I spring for are concerts.
Even if the tickets were $50 I wouldn't go. But that doesn't mean that the stadium is bad (it certainly isn't) or that you supposedly can't see the field because of the TV (you can). Of course this is a good way to load up page hits and give everybody an opportunity to biatch about the Cowboys (and for somebody to somehow make this about Tony Romo) and I don't expect anyone to read this entire post, let alone the article.
Shakes999
2011-12-28 02:12:07 PM
Im a cowboys fan for life, but I like the franchise less and less by the year.
iron_city_ap
2011-12-28 02:12:37 PM
So, you are saying more fans are coming overall, but, only to the big games? If the AVERAGE is down and they set an attendance record, that's about all it can be.
Lou Cypher
2011-12-28 02:13:30 PM
Average crowd for 2011 was 85.5K, #1 in the league and 6K higher than the Giants at #2. Not a Cowboys fan, but when the majority of the league has an average attendance under 70K I wouldn't call them a failure in that department.
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:14:45 PM
iron_city_ap
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THIS. Why would anyone want to pay $100+ to watch the game on TV when you can watch it for free at home and also not pay 2 easy payments of $39.95 per beer, have no line for the pisser, and can swear all you want? I enjoy going to games from time to time, but I'd hate it if I was distracted by some monsterous TV eating half of my viewpoint (even though not the game itself).
No you wouldn't. The big screen is pretty and it's only in your way if you're up in the rafters. Also, I've never waited in line for the bathroom at Cowboys Stadium. They made sure to make the bathrooms quite large and plentiful.
People go because they want to be at the game. I thought that was a pretty simple thing to figure out.
Yanks_RSJ
2011-12-28 02:15:03 PM
Treygreen13
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Even if the tickets were $50 I wouldn't go. But that doesn't mean that the stadium is bad (it certainly isn't) or that you supposedly can't see the field because of the TV (you can).
In all honesty, I think the stadium is absolutely amazing. That said, if you're sitting in the upper level on either side of the field, your eyes have a hard time looking lower than the MASSIVE screen because it's directly at your eye level. I sat in the upper level endzone seating when I was there, and those screens were the perfect size, but I don't know how anybody on either side manages to look down to the field itself. You almost can't look away from the screens.
Treygreen13
2011-12-28 02:15:22 PM
Shakes999
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Im a cowboys fan for life, but I like the franchise less and less by the year.
Are you really a Cowboys fan? The next positive thing you say about any player or the franchise in general will be the first positive thing I've seen you say about the Cowboys.
RminusQ
2011-12-28 02:15:56 PM
Shakes999
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75$ parking strangely absent from article.
Seriously? Holy shiat, Jerry. That's insane.
9beers
2011-12-28 02:16:47 PM
They're at 106.9% of capacity for the season so nice try subby.
udeng01
2011-12-28 02:16:54 PM
Shakes999
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Im a
cowboys
football
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life
now
, but I like the
franchise
NFL
less and less by the year.
/being a Skins fan doesn't help
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:17:02 PM
Di Atribe
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The big screen is pretty and it's only in your way if you're up in the rafters.
Actually, I don't know this for a fact as I've never been up in the rafters.
*lights $100 bill*
*douses match with Cristal*
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:18:22 PM
RminusQ
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Shakes999: 75$ parking strangely absent from article.
Seriously? Holy shiat, Jerry. That's insane.
Well yeah, if you park up next to the stadium. If you park in a normal lot it's more like $20 or $30. Or you can park outside the stadium for $5 or $10 just like any other event.
Treygreen13
2011-12-28 02:18:25 PM
Yanks_RSJ
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Treygreen13: Even if the tickets were $50 I wouldn't go. But that doesn't mean that the stadium is bad (it certainly isn't) or that you supposedly can't see the field because of the TV (you can).
In all honesty, I think the stadium is absolutely amazing. That said, if you're sitting in the upper level on either side of the field, your eyes have a hard time looking lower than the MASSIVE screen because it's directly at your eye level. I sat in the upper level endzone seating when I was there, and those screens were the perfect size, but I don't know how anybody on either side manages to look down to the field itself. You almost can't look away from the screens.
I've been for several events (tours, free practices, concerts) and I can certainly agree that it will catch your eye if you're up really high... but if you're up really high everybody complains that they can't see the players so boom, there's a TV there. But you can see the field from any seat in the stadium and if you're distracted by the TV it is just showing you a picture of what you're trying to see anyway.
lajotu
2011-12-28 02:18:26 PM
ok, fine, here are the numbers:
The stadium seats 80,000, making it the third largest stadium in the NFL by seating capacity. The maximum capacity of the stadium, including standing room, is 110,000.
So, if attendance is down from 87,000 to 85,000, that just means there are 2,000 less people in this world who are stupid enough to pay $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets to watch a game with a bunch of other drunken idiots willing to shell out $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets.
Dougie AXP
2011-12-28 02:18:29 PM
Treygreen13
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iron_city_ap: rocinante721: Because nobody wants to play >>$100 to stare at a giant TV screen?
THIS. Why would anyone want to pay $100+ to watch the game on TV when you can watch it for free at home and also not pay 2 easy payments of $39.95 per beer, have no line for the pisser, and can swear all you want? I enjoy going to games from time to time, but I'd hate it if I was distracted by some monsterous TV eating half of my viewpoint (even though not the game itself).
I don't go to the games because it is too expensive compared to sitting at home. Of course it's also the reason I don't go to the Rangers or Mavericks games either. Or the TCU games. The only live events I spring for are concerts.
Even if the tickets were $50 I wouldn't go. But that doesn't mean that the stadium is bad (it certainly isn't) or that you supposedly can't see the field because of the TV (you can). Of course this is a good way to load up page hits and give everybody an opportunity to biatch about the Cowboys (and for somebody to somehow make this about Tony Romo) and I don't expect anyone to read this entire post, let alone the article.
Actually, the TV does eat up your view. I've been there at least 10 times for various games. If you are in the second level and are above the 15th-18th rows, you may as well watch it from home.
RminusQ
2011-12-28 02:18:37 PM
Di Atribe
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iron_city_ap: THIS. Why would anyone want to pay $100+ to watch the game on TV when you can watch it for free at home and also not pay 2 easy payments of $39.95 per beer, have no line for the pisser, and can swear all you want? I enjoy going to games from time to time, but I'd hate it if I was distracted by some monsterous TV eating half of my viewpoint (even though not the game itself).
No you wouldn't. The big screen is pretty and it's only in your way if you're up in the rafters. Also,
I've never waited in line for the bathroom
at Cowboys Stadium. They made sure to make the bathrooms quite large and plentiful.
People go because they want to be at the game. I thought that was a pretty simple thing to figure out.
This article and discussion is asinine; the Cowboys certainly are not hurting for fans or attendance, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you have an advantage re: the bolded section.
iron_city_ap
2011-12-28 02:20:45 PM
Treygreen13
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. But that doesn't mean that the stadium is bad (it certainly isn't) or that you supposedly can't see the field because of the TV (you can).
I've heard its a good stadium. I have only seen it from the outside though. But, even though the ginormotronasaurus doesn't block the view of the game, doesn't mean its not distracting. If we sat next to each other at a 'normal' stadium and I stood up and started dancing around during every play, but didn't block you view of the game, it would be distracting. Not to mention disturbing from a mental aspect. That's all I'm saying. I know I'd find myself just watching the screen because the actual game itself would be less distracting to me paying attention to what is going on.
/I blame Romo for the design
Treygreen13
2011-12-28 02:22:52 PM
Dougie AXP
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Actually, the TV does eat up your view. I've been there at least 10 times for various games. If you are in the second level and are above the 15th-18th rows, you may as well watch it from home.
Define "eat up your view".
Arkanaut
2011-12-28 02:23:06 PM
iron_city_ap
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rocinante721: Because nobody wants to play >>$100 to stare at a giant TV screen?
THIS. Why would anyone want to pay $100+ to watch the game on TV when you can watch it for free at home and also not pay 2 easy payments of $39.95 per beer, have no line for the pisser, and can swear all you want? I enjoy going to games from time to time, but I'd hate it if I was distracted by some monsterous TV eating half of my viewpoint (even though not the game itself).
IMO, the football experience is better on TV nowadays than live at the game. So what Jerry Jones did was to basically add a TV to entice the fans who would be missing the TV experience but also want to be at the game. You could think of it this way -- you're paying the extra $100 for the chance to pick a fight with a visiting Giants fan.
Shakes999
2011-12-28 02:23:36 PM
Treygreen13
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Shakes999: Im a cowboys fan for life, but I like the franchise less and less by the year.
Are you really a Cowboys fan? The next positive thing you say about any player or the franchise in general will be the first positive thing I've seen you say about the Cowboys.
Its jerry jones whoring of the cowboys that pisses me off more than anything on field but the downer season isnt helping.
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:23:46 PM
lajotu
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So, if attendance is down from 87,000 to 85,000, that just means there are 2,000 less people in this world who are stupid enough to pay $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets to watch a game with a bunch of other drunken idiots willing to shell out $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets.
They're $29, actually. And them paying for it doesn't make them stupid. It just means they want to be at the game. I'm pretty sure fans are perfectly capable of deciding how they'd like to spend their own money.
RminusQ
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This article and discussion is asinine; the Cowboys certainly are not hurting for fans or attendance, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you have an advantage re: the bolded section.
Also, I should mention that it's always very clean and it looks like a shiny spaceship.
DoBeDoBeDo
2011-12-28 02:24:11 PM
lajotu
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ok, fine, here are the numbers:
The stadium seats 80,000, making it the third largest stadium in the NFL by seating capacity. The maximum capacity of the stadium, including standing room, is 110,000.
So, if attendance is down from 87,000 to 85,000, that just means there are 2,000 less people in this world who are stupid enough to pay $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets to watch a game with a bunch of other drunken idiots willing to shell out $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets.
I can't wait till Snyder realizes that the new "party decks" at Fed Ex are going to be a complete and utter failure.
Hey it's 20 degrees outside, lets go stand in the 400's and freeze, pay $8/beer and not even be able to see the game!
Trying to one up Jerry in the "total capacity" is going to backfire good.
Treygreen13
2011-12-28 02:24:25 PM
iron_city_ap
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Treygreen13: . But that doesn't mean that the stadium is bad (it certainly isn't) or that you supposedly can't see the field because of the TV (you can).
I've heard its a good stadium. I have only seen it from the outside though. But, even though the ginormotronasaurus doesn't block the view of the game, doesn't mean its not distracting. If we sat next to each other at a 'normal' stadium and I stood up and started dancing around during every play, but didn't block you view of the game, it would be distracting. Not to mention disturbing from a mental aspect. That's all I'm saying. I know I'd find myself just watching the screen because the actual game itself would be less distracting to me paying attention to what is going on.
/I blame Romo for the design
It's not like the screen is playing Cheetos commercials reruns. The stuff on the screen *is* the game.
But this bolded part did make me laugh.
lajotu
2011-12-28 02:24:53 PM
Dougie AXP
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Actually, the TV does eat up your view. I've been there at least 10 times for various games. If you are in the second level and are above the 15th-18th rows, you may as well watch it from home.
If you're in ANY stadium with the seats you describe, you may as well watch it from home. But the actual watching of the game is only part of the actual experience. Which is why even the nosebleed seats sell out.
mjohnson71
2011-12-28 02:25:00 PM
Shakes999
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75$ parking strangely absent from article.
This right here PLUS no public transportation options.
I was still amazed when we visited down there for the Rams game this season and found out the Cowboys won't let shuttle buses run to the games. (The Rangers don't have a problem with it.) I guess I'm spoiled here in St. Louis since all three major sports venues here have bus and light rail options. Plus a ton of the Soulard and Washington Ave bars have shuttles.
We ended up paying $50 and still had to walk 3/4 of a mile each way to Jerrysworld.
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:25:21 PM
Shakes999
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Its jerry jones whoring of the cowboys that pisses me off more than anything on field but the downer season isnt helping.
Whoring? How so? And make sure it's unique to the Cowboys and no other team does it.
markie_farkie
2011-12-28 02:26:07 PM
Di Atribe
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The big screen is pretty and it's only in your way if you're up in the rafters.
And the cheerleaders look GREAT on the bigscreen!
/Was at the game on Christmas Eve.. Santa suit cheerleaders FTW!
lajotu
2011-12-28 02:27:06 PM
Di Atribe
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I'm pretty sure fans are perfectly capable of deciding how they'd like to spend their own money.
Absolutely. Which is why attendance is down, which was kinda my point.
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:27:11 PM
mjohnson71
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I guess I'm spoiled here in St. Louis
I sincerely doubt that
Yanks_RSJ
2011-12-28 02:27:40 PM
Treygreen13
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but if you're up really high everybody complains that they can't see the players so boom, there's a TV there. But you can see the field from any seat in the stadium and if you're distracted by the TV it is just showing you a picture of what you're trying to see anyway.
I actually thought the sightlines were very good from the upper deck. I was in the last row of permanent seating (one of the unusable temporary sections was directly behind me) and had a great view of the entire field. But had I been on either side of the field up there, I think the screen would have been too distracting. My opinion.
Dougie AXP
2011-12-28 02:28:26 PM
Treygreen13
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Dougie AXP: Actually, the TV does eat up your view. I've been there at least 10 times for various games. If you are in the second level and are above the 15th-18th rows, you may as well watch it from home.
Define "eat up your view".
Repeatedly having to stand up just to see thru the gap between the bottom of the tv and the field to see the bottom half of the field (from the middle of the hashmarks to the sideline I was on and forge tseeing above the hashmark to the far sideline.
s1ugg0
2011-12-28 02:29:30 PM
Maybe if it didn't cost $400 for two tickets, two hot dogs and two beers you wouldn't have these problems.
/This is applicable for all sporting events.
lajotu
2011-12-28 02:29:35 PM
Di Atribe
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mjohnson71: I guess I'm spoiled here in St. Louis
I sincerely doubt that
No one *really* cares about baseball. Not once football gets going!
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:29:54 PM
lajotu
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Di Atribe: I'm pretty sure fans are perfectly capable of deciding how they'd like to spend their own money.
Absolutely. Which is why attendance is down, which was kinda my point.
It's down 2,000 people from last year. So that's 2 out of every 87.... oh fark, this feels like math.... so that's what, 2.3%? So attendance PLUMMETS 2.3% and you think that's reason to.... call it a failure?
Treygreen13
2011-12-28 02:31:55 PM
Dougie AXP
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Treygreen13: Dougie AXP: Actually, the TV does eat up your view. I've been there at least 10 times for various games. If you are in the second level and are above the 15th-18th rows, you may as well watch it from home.
Define "eat up your view".
Repeatedly having to stand up just
to see thru the gap between the bottom of the tv and the field to see the bottom half of the field
(from the middle of the hashmarks to the sideline I was on and forge tseeing above the hashmark to the far sideline.
Were you sitting ON the jumbotron? I can understand saying you were distracted but I went to the VERY top of the available seating and looked down and didn't need to stand up.
I mean, you may have been in a bad seat. I'm sure there are some. But the stadium isn't like that all over.
lajotu
2011-12-28 02:32:01 PM
Di Atribe
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It's down 2,000 people from last year. So that's 2 out of every 87.... oh fark, this feels like math.... so that's what, 2.3%? So attendance PLUMMETS 2.3% and you think that's reason to.... call it a failure?
I called it a failure?
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:32:31 PM
lajotu
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No one *really* cares about baseball. Not once football gets going!
YOU SHUT UP dammit where's the meaniehead button.....
there their theyre
2011-12-28 02:33:20 PM
Yanks_RSJ
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Treygreen13: Even if the tickets were $50 I wouldn't go. But that doesn't mean that the stadium is bad (it certainly isn't) or that you supposedly can't see the field because of the TV (you can).
In all honesty, I think the stadium is absolutely amazing. That said, if you're sitting in the upper level on either side of the field, your eyes have a hard time looking lower than the MASSIVE screen because it's directly at your eye level. I sat in the upper level endzone seating when I was there, and those screens were the perfect size, but I don't know how anybody on either side manages to look down to the field itself. You almost can't look away from the screens.
I've had seats on the 50 yard line about 5 rows up (was for a college football game, can't afford a Cowboys game) and you still cannot help but look at the giant TV. The TV isn't even the best thing about the stadium, its the random artwork that is all over the place.
Di Atribe
2011-12-28 02:34:29 PM
lajotu
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I called it a failure?
Weeeeeeeeeelllllll..... I don't know if you used that exact WORD but it seems like that's the attitude from the article and the thread. Now I have to go back and read exactly what you said. Dammit.
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