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(CBS Dallas/Ft. Worth)   'If you build it, they will come' doesn't apply to the $1 billion Cowboys Stadium. Note to Jerry Jones: Put a decent team on the field, and they will come   (dfw.cbslocal.com) divider line 172
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2011-12-28 02:34:59 PM

Dafatone: The Cowboys are going to be 9-7 or 8-8. That's decent.

/kinda tired of all the "if you're not great you suck!" hyperbole.
//hates the Cowboys.


Meh, I can agree. The Saints spent the entire Haslett years at or around .500 after his first 10-6 year and the franchise's first playoff victory. Hakim drops the ball! Hakim drops the ball!

But anyway, the problem with mediocrity is that it breeds contentment. We see that on lots of teams, but Jerry Jones doesn't seem the type to put up with it for too long. In the Saints' case, they kept shoving out the same unreliable product -with largely the same faces - year after year, and it took a natural disaster to finally shake things up. The front office sure as hell wasn't going to, and Tom Benson was openly flirting with leaving the state.

/also hates the Cowgirls
//not as much as the Falcons
 
2011-12-28 02:35:02 PM
They are still over 100% of "capacity." Jerry is doing fine.
 
2011-12-28 02:37:47 PM

Di Atribe: lajotu: I called it a failure?

Weeeeeeeeeelllllll..... I don't know if you used that exact WORD but it seems like that's the attitude from the article and the thread. Now I have to go back and read exactly what you said. Dammit.


My only point was that the actual SEATS are still selling out, and it's the SRO stuff that's fluctuating. And I gave reasons for why that might be happening.

Another reason why people aren't willing to shell out $29 (learn something new every day) for a SRO ticket is because the price of big screen TV's, the ones you can put in your actual home, have plummetted.
 
2011-12-28 02:37:48 PM

there their theyre: Yanks_RSJ: Treygreen13: Even if the tickets were $50 I wouldn't go. But that doesn't mean that the stadium is bad (it certainly isn't) or that you supposedly can't see the field because of the TV (you can).

In all honesty, I think the stadium is absolutely amazing. That said, if you're sitting in the upper level on either side of the field, your eyes have a hard time looking lower than the MASSIVE screen because it's directly at your eye level. I sat in the upper level endzone seating when I was there, and those screens were the perfect size, but I don't know how anybody on either side manages to look down to the field itself. You almost can't look away from the screens.

I've had seats on the 50 yard line about 5 rows up (was for a college football game, can't afford a Cowboys game) and you still cannot help but look at the giant TV. The TV isn't even the best thing about the stadium, its the random artwork that is all over the place.


The artwork is really cool. I think my favorite thing about it is the layout - it's really easy to get around and get food/drinks/merch. Plus, the screen *is* very impressive. Lastly, I live about 10 minutes from the stadium and the traffic on game day is surprisingly light. They have spread the lots around over a large area so if I do happen to find myself in the area for gameday I'm not stuck in horrible traffic.
 
2011-12-28 02:38:05 PM

there their theyre: I've had seats on the 50 yard line about 5 rows up (was for a college football game, can't afford a Cowboys game) and you still cannot help but look at the giant TV. The TV isn't even the best thing about the stadium, its the random artwork that is all over the place.


Did I tell you guys about the time I went with my spawn's summer camp for a tour and the World Cup was on and we let the kids loose on the field while the adults all laid around the edge of the field and watched soccer? That was fun. I liked that.

i27.photobucket.com
 
2011-12-28 02:45:25 PM
Jimmy Johnson was great in Dallas.
Bill Parcels was great in Dallas.

What do both have in common? They have the bravado to shut up Jerry, kick him in the face and tell him to stay in his owner box plus pay the bills while he is not busy.

What does Jerry do when he finds someone who isn't a puppet of the system, he fires them and the team tanks.

Jason Garrett is a great coach, but he lacks the will to do what is necessary. That's telling Jerry to shut up.
 
2011-12-28 02:47:12 PM
Since we're showing pics of the stadium...

i291.photobucket.com
This was taken at the Cowboys open practice. 5th row. For a good point of reference you can't even see the TV from this spot because it's so high up. You'd have to look up to see it.

i291.photobucket.com
This is from the last row of the 3rd section, where I went up as high as I felt like on my first tour. As you might notice the Packers logo is still on the end-zone from the Super Bowl. There's still PLENTY of space to see the field - as you can see you'd have to be up considerably higher for the TV to even start cutting off your view of the sidelines, let alone the field.
 
2011-12-28 02:50:14 PM

Treygreen13: Since we're showing pics of the stadium...

[i291.photobucket.com image 469x352]
This was taken at the Cowboys open practice. 5th row. For a good point of reference you can't even see the TV from this spot because it's so high up. You'd have to look up to see it.

[i291.photobucket.com image 461x614]
This is from the last row of the 3rd section, where I went up as high as I felt like on my first tour. As you might notice the Packers logo is still on the end-zone from the Super Bowl. There's still PLENTY of space to see the field - as you can see you'd have to be up considerably higher for the TV to even start cutting off your view of the sidelines, let alone the field.


LOL facts
 
2011-12-28 02:52:32 PM

lajotu: LOL facts


I'm certain they'll be completely ignored in favor of "can't see the field" and "everything about the Cowboys sucks".
 
2011-12-28 02:53:28 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: lajotu: ok, fine, here are the numbers:

The stadium seats 80,000, making it the third largest stadium in the NFL by seating capacity. The maximum capacity of the stadium, including standing room, is 110,000.

So, if attendance is down from 87,000 to 85,000, that just means there are 2,000 less people in this world who are stupid enough to pay $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets to watch a game with a bunch of other drunken idiots willing to shell out $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets.

I can't wait till Snyder realizes that the new "party decks" at Fed Ex are going to be a complete and utter failure.

Hey it's 20 degrees outside, lets go stand in the 400's and freeze, pay $8/beer and not even be able to see the game!

Trying to one up Jerry in the "total capacity" is going to backfire good.


He hasn't filed for the permits to do anything with the space up there. He took them out so he could continue to sell out.
 
2011-12-28 02:54:11 PM

The Shroom: What do both have in common? They have the bravado to shut up Jerry, kick him in the face and tell him to stay in his owner box plus pay the bills while he is not busy.

What does Jerry do when he finds someone who isn't a puppet of the system, he fires them and the team tanks.



These two statements contradict each other.
 
2011-12-28 02:56:28 PM
I can't see the field, and besides everything about the Cowboys sucks
 
2011-12-28 02:57:30 PM

Ackbarican_Idol: I can't see the field, and besides everything about the Cowboys sucks


3.bp.blogspot.com

I miss you, AI.
 
2011-12-28 02:59:56 PM

Di Atribe: Shakes999: Its jerry jones whoring of the cowboys that pisses me off more than anything on field but the downer season isnt helping.

Whoring? How so? And make sure it's unique to the Cowboys and no other team does it.


Martellus Bennett papa johns cheerleader commercial. If that didn't instill you with shame you are a liar.
 
2011-12-28 03:01:03 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: I can't wait till Snyder realizes that the new "party decks" at Fed Ex are going to be a complete and utter failure.

Hey it's 20 degrees outside, lets go stand in the 400's and freeze, pay $8/beer and not even be able to see the game!

Trying to one up Jerry in the "total capacity" is going to backfire good.


It looks like even Jerry is only selling about 5000 out of the 30000 available SRO tickets.
 
2011-12-28 03:01:09 PM

Shakes999: Di Atribe: Shakes999: Its jerry jones whoring of the cowboys that pisses me off more than anything on field but the downer season isnt helping.

Whoring? How so? And make sure it's unique to the Cowboys and no other team does it.

Martellus Bennett papa johns cheerleader commercial. If that didn't instill you with shame you are a liar.


Anything with Martellus Bennett in it instills me with shame. *bob barker* That guy should be working at the snack bar. */bob barker*
 
2011-12-28 03:01:20 PM
fantasyknuckleheads.com

That's my quaterback!
 
2011-12-28 03:01:41 PM

Shakes999: Martellus Bennett papa johns cheerleader commercial. If that didn't instill you with shame you are a liar.


Actually, I didn't think too much about it. Do you think the Cowboys are the only team that does stupid commercials?
 
2011-12-28 03:03:21 PM

Di Atribe: Shakes999: Martellus Bennett papa johns cheerleader commercial. If that didn't instill you with shame you are a liar.

Actually, I didn't think too much about it. Do you think the Cowboys are the only team that does stupid commercials?


You are dead inside if you don't laugh EVERY time you hear the words "Discount Double Check"
 
2011-12-28 03:05:06 PM

Di Atribe: Do you think the Cowboys are the only team that does stupid commercials?


Hell, I'm utterly confused to find out Martellus Bennett actually has gotten work off the football field. If there's a least-deserving player in the NFL to be doing commercials on the side, let me know.
 
2011-12-28 03:07:01 PM
i think it is cool as shiat how the teams come out in that litlte walkway right where the fans are. i'm surprised nothing has happened; that is, there haven't been any player / drunk fan incidents.

come to think of it......is there even a barrier there? they don't always show that shot....but when i think of it i think there might be some kind of glass / plexiglass barrier there.

either way, barrier or no, it is pretty freaking cool.

it is also funny how remember all that chatter about ZOMG WHAT IF A PUNT HITS THE SCOREBOARD OH NOEZ and here we are what, 3 years on, and it has never happened during either a game or preseason game (that I can recall)......I think i read that in the pregame warmups a few guys have hit it but i don't think it has ever been hit in live action.

dallas fans you know more about your barn than i do, am i wrong about that? has it ever been hit in live action (i.e., during full pads 11 on 11, not pregame warmups?)
 
2011-12-28 03:09:12 PM

merkey88:

He hasn't filed for the permits to do anything with the space up there. He took them out so he could continue to sell out.


Better tell WaPo and PG county about that!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-adding-party-d e cks-to-fedex-field/2011/06/06/AGVwScKH_story.html

"According to a "commercial interior permit" issued by the Prince George's County Department of Environmental Resources, the Redskins asked to "install club level platform structure." The supports for the party decks will be above the club level, people familiar with the project said."
 
2011-12-28 03:09:35 PM

Killer Cars: If there's a least-deserving player in the NFL to be doing commercials on the side, let me know.



*obligatory troll "15" trollbow / mark trollchez troll*
 
2011-12-28 03:11:33 PM

Di Atribe: Shakes999: Martellus Bennett papa johns cheerleader commercial. If that didn't instill you with shame you are a liar.

Actually, I didn't think too much about it. Do you think the Cowboys are the only team that does stupid commercials?


So? Were not talking about other teams. Were talking about my particular reasons for not liking them but I know how much you like to fling spittle across this forum when people disagree with you, so yes the whole outer organization is still a bunch of whores.

/go boys
//deal with it.
 
2011-12-28 03:18:20 PM
The stadium is full of fail simply because the Dallas Cowboys play there.

Yeah, I'm hating.
 
2011-12-28 03:24:46 PM

Killer Cars: Hell, I'm utterly confused to find out Martellus Bennett actually has gotten work off the football field. If there's a least-deserving player in the NFL to be doing commercials on the side, let me know.


Unless someone is paying him to make fake ads for their competition!
 
2011-12-28 03:25:32 PM
farm3.staticflickr.com (new window)
 
2011-12-28 03:25:59 PM
A never-gonna-happen Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight could sell out that place, but Floyd can't/wont compete there
 
2011-12-28 03:35:12 PM
Now, since it wasn't mentioned in the article, Mr. DJ-who-analyzes-attendance-figures, tell me what attendance did league-wide in that time. Tell me how northeast Texas's economy has done vs. other NFL markets. And then tell me, has the league trended the same, has the market trended the same, and this time use actual seated attendance figures, as certain teams haven't exactly had the easiest of times filling seats at their stadiums, especially ones whose stadiums are run by decrepit old men who are running said franchises into the ground.

\glancing in your direction, Orchard Park
\\call me back when someone can do what I asked
\\\not easy, but not impossible to do
 
2011-12-28 03:35:46 PM

Shakes999: Im a cowboys fan for life, but I like the franchise less and less by the year.


Hey, if the trend continues you get to join the rest of the human race.
 
2011-12-28 03:35:52 PM

PlymouthMeetingMall: A never-gonna-happen Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight could sell out that place, but Floyd can't/wont compete there



i absolutely hate that when that fight does happen, in 2016, i will throw down the $125 and squeal like a schoolgirl at the opening bell.

/you know i keeps a private jet
//step ya game up
 
2011-12-28 03:36:43 PM

lajotu: You are dead inside if you don't laugh EVERY time you hear the words "Discount Double Check"


Actually, I do love that commercial, but it has mostly to do with Aaron Rodgers being adorbz.


Killer Cars: Hell, I'm utterly confused to find out Martellus Bennett actually has gotten work off the football field. If there's a least-deserving player in the NFL to be doing commercials on the side, let me know.


I think that commercial came out his rookie year. I haven't seen it in a while, but I'll admit to not really paying that much attention to commercials. And I think most Dallas fans would agree with you on the "least-deserving" thing there. We cheer every time he catches a ball, but not "Yay" type of cheer, more like, "Holy shiat he caught something" cheer. XD


rickythepenguin: dallas fans you know more about your barn than i do, am i wrong about that? has it ever been hit in live action (i.e., during full pads 11 on 11, not pregame warmups?)


The first pre-season game played there, the punter from Tennessee was indeed trying to hit it and he did on the first punt of the game. Nothing since. But legend has it, when U2 did their concert there, they needed the video board raised for their massive stage to fit. So they raised it up & never back down. I don't know if that's entirely true or not. Just heard it around.


Shakes999: So? Were not talking about other teams. Were talking about my particular reasons for not liking them but I know how much you like to fling spittle across this forum when people disagree with you, so yes the whole outer organization is still a bunch of whores.


Fling spittle? Wow. Down, boy. I asked you a simple question. I can and do have perfectly nice debates all the time on this forum so fark you very much. You're a shiatty fan. Just go get a new team if you don't like them.
 
2011-12-28 03:37:49 PM

FriarReb98: \\call me back when someone can do what I asked
\\\not easy, but not impossible to do



What was that? move the team to toronto? isn't that a done deal once ralph wilson passes on?
 
2011-12-28 03:39:52 PM
It's kinda embarrassing...dancers, big screens, huge stadium and all the hype. All dressed up but nowhere to go.
 
2011-12-28 03:40:15 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: lajotu: ok, fine, here are the numbers:

The stadium seats 80,000, making it the third largest stadium in the NFL by seating capacity. The maximum capacity of the stadium, including standing room, is 110,000.

So, if attendance is down from 87,000 to 85,000, that just means there are 2,000 less people in this world who are stupid enough to pay $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets to watch a game with a bunch of other drunken idiots willing to shell out $50 or so for Standing Room Only tickets.

I can't wait till Snyder realizes that the new "party decks" at Fed Ex are going to be a complete and utter failure.

Hey it's 20 degrees outside, lets go stand in the 400's and freeze, pay $8/beer and not even be able to see the game!

Trying to one up Jerry in the "total capacity" is going to backfire good.


First game I saw at Fed Ex (first live game since RFK despite being a huge fan) I paid $25 ea for tickets in the lowest section nearly on the 50-yard line. Now granted it was a Redskins-Chiefs game (wife is from KC) when we were in our 4-12 2009 season and the Chiefs went 2-14 that year, but still, Fans aren't paying what they used to to be at fed -ex, it's why despitte our "sellout record" being intact, many games this year sounded like away games on TV
 
2011-12-28 03:41:38 PM

rickythepenguin: FriarReb98: \\call me back when someone can do what I asked
\\\not easy, but not impossible to do


What was that? move the team to toronto? isn't that a done deal once ralph wilson passes on?


Don't give Ralphie any ideas! :P Besides, aren't THOSE numbers definitively down for the three games, and down still from average Bills attendance?
 
2011-12-28 03:42:53 PM
Perhaps move the stadium closer to the city and have people get rid of their HD tvs....
 
2011-12-28 03:43:33 PM

litespeed74: It's kinda embarrassing...dancers, big screens, huge stadium and all the hype. All dressed up but nowhere to go.


Look who didn't read the thread.
 
2011-12-28 03:44:04 PM

FriarReb98: Now, since it wasn't mentioned in the article, Mr. DJ-who-analyzes-attendance-figures, tell me what attendance did league-wide in that time. Tell me how northeast Texas's economy has done vs. other NFL markets. And then tell me, has the league trended the same, has the market trended the same, and this time use actual seated attendance figures, as certain teams haven't exactly had the easiest of times filling seats at their stadiums, especially ones whose stadiums are run by decrepit old men who are running said franchises into the ground.


Hm, interesting. I wonder if spending on entertainment, in general (new window), has gone down.
 
2011-12-28 03:44:26 PM

LarryDan43: Perhaps move the stadium closer to the city and have people get rid of their HD tvs....


..the city? Which city? It's right in the middle of Arlington, TX, and in the DFW area (hint, it is multiple cities) Arlington is basically the exact center.
 
2011-12-28 03:44:57 PM

Di Atribe: The first pre-season game played there, the punter from Tennessee was indeed trying to hit it and he did on the first punt of the game. Nothing since. But legend has it, when U2 did their concert there, they needed the video board raised for their massive stage to fit. So they raised it up & never back down. I don't know if that's entirely true or not. Just heard it around.



huh. no shiat. i guess i'd forgotten.

couldn't the U2 thing be relatively easily proven/disproved*? i mean, photographs, sctructural engineers, etc.?

i saw that tour at Cards stadium.....i've forgotten if the roof was open or closed. either way the tower was waaaaaaaaaaay up there.

*Paging Mythbusters!
 
2011-12-28 03:46:15 PM
I've been telling people for years that football was always going to be a tough sell in Texas.
 
2011-12-28 03:47:47 PM

FriarReb98: Don't give Ralphie any ideas! :P Besides, aren't THOSE numbers definitively down for the three games, and down still from average Bills attendance?



i had a cool conversation with a guy from Toronto recently, he was a huge NFL fan. if i recall him correctly, he said the cost for games in Toronto is incredibly expensive, and that while he hoped the NFL went there full time, the ticket prices were astronomical.

but the more i think of it, i forget if he was saying the Maple Leafs games were crazy expsince or if was the "Toronto Bills" games that were $$$$$.
 
2011-12-28 03:48:00 PM

Magorn:

First game I saw at Fed Ex (first live game since RFK despite being a huge fan) I paid $25 ea for tickets in the lowest section nearly on the 50-yard line. Now granted it was a Redskins-Chiefs game (wife is from KC) when we were in our 4-12 2009 season and the Chiefs went 2-14 that year, but still, Fans aren't paying what they used to to be at fed -ex, it's why despitte our "sellout record" being intact, many games this year sounded like away games on TV


$25? Which side? What scalper you get them from?

I have season tickets Section 105, row 5, have had them there since FedEx opened and we were in 101 in RFK since '69.

Never have I seen $25 for lower level seats even at pre-season games during the 1st quarter from scalpers in the parking lot.

$25 for a parking pass sure
 
2011-12-28 03:49:05 PM
According to ESPN (new window) the Cowboys have the highest home attendance this year at an average of 85,512, @ 106.9% of Cowboy's Stadium capacity.

Not too bad.
 
2011-12-28 03:50:46 PM

Di Atribe: Hm, interesting. I wonder if spending on entertainment, in general (new window), has gone down.


Exactly. Biatching about sports teams has to be done relatively or else it doesn't make sense. And that's before you even talk about the product on the field.
 
2011-12-28 03:51:35 PM

Treygreen13: LarryDan43: Perhaps move the stadium closer to the city and have people get rid of their HD tvs....

..the city? Which city? It's right in the middle of Arlington, TX, and in the DFW area (hint, it is multiple cities) Arlington is basically the exact center.


Sort of joke. The cities are so spreadout there really isn't the high population center, which makes it a inconvenient drive for nearly everyone.
 
2011-12-28 03:51:47 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: we were in 101 in RFK since '69.



i saw a grateful dead show* from what would have been about 3-4 rows behind the western end zone. security was pretty lax, so during the second set some of us climbed down onto the field and walked around. i remember thinking, "holy shiat, this is an actual NFL field i'm walking on...."

*jerrry really sucked that night, too. hate to say it but the second set he was falling in and out of key
 
2011-12-28 03:52:33 PM

rickythepenguin: i saw that tour at Cards stadium.....i've forgotten if the roof was open or closed. either way the tower was waaaaaaaaaaay up there.


Y'alls roof opens? I bet that's cool.

I suppose it could be easily proven/disproven but it was like two years ago and I'm Sherlocking something else right now, so..... Mythbusters or Snopes is gonna have to ferret that one out because I'm..... doin stuff.
 
2011-12-28 03:52:54 PM

rickythepenguin: but the more i think of it, i forget if he was saying the Maple Leafs games were crazy expsince or if was the "Toronto Bills" games that were $$$$$.


Well, it could very easily be both, especially when the Leafs seem to constantly battle the Mets for most overpriced team in pro sports....
 
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