La Liga also allows him to dive more, which he does with effortless precision.

That twat-waffle can stay in Spain for the rest of his career.

I fully expect him to spend the last 2 years of his career at Porto, as a home coming of sorts, where he will royally suck.

Spain - Home of the best soccer in the world.

Euro winner, World cup winner, UEFA winner, Club World Cup winner.


Why wouldn't he want to be in Spain?

Not to mention the food and weather are much better.

What's all this? I don't even

Cajnik: Ah yes, the English Premier League. The league that has to constantly tell itself that it's the best in the world.

For being the best league you'd think they'd have more than 3 european champions in the past 25 years.

MugzyBrown: Spain - Home of the best soccer in the world.

Euro winner, World cup winner, UEFA winner, Club World Cup winner.


Why wouldn't he want to be in Spain?

Because he only has to face a good team 2x/season.

/Would LOL when he had to face Stoke City 2x/season
//He'd dive, biatch and whine and someone like Kenwyne Jones would tell him "get up you farking pussy!"

Rwa2play: Because he only has to face a good team 2x/season.

/Would LOL when he had to face Stoke City 2x/season

Considering he was in the top 3 in goal scoring in the EPL for 3 straight years, I don't think he worried too much about it.

Not to mention, the 3 years he was a starter at Man U he only played Stoke city 2 times and in one of the games scored 2 goals and had an assist.


Sooo you're clueless?

Gonz: Right- because having 1 or 2 dominant teams in the league means it's better than a league where you're challenged every week.

La Liga having 2 super teams does not discount the other teams.

The EPL is more competitive, and the lower teams are better than the lower La Liga teams, but the 2nd tier teams, Seville, Valencia, etc are on par with the 2nd tier EPL teams like Spurs, Liverpool, etc.

Spanish teams have won 4 of the last 10 Europa league cups. English teams 0.

Gonz: I personally think Barca's the best team in the world, but that the EPL is stronger than La Liga, overall.

I read this in Patrick Bateman's voice.

Gonz: MugzyBrown: Cajnik: Ah yes, the English Premier League. The league that has to constantly tell itself that it's the best in the world.

For being the best league you'd think they'd have more than 3 european champions in the past 25 years.

Right- because having 1 or 2 dominant teams in the league means it's better than a league where you're challenged every week.

23 different clubs have won the EPL championship. Only 9 have won La Liga. Wow- could it be Barca or Real Madrid again this year? I can make the case for 4 or 5 EPL clubs to win the championship this year, although I think the Manchester duos are heads above anyone else. But La Liga? If you think it's not going to be Barcelona or Real Madrid, you're high.

I personally think Barca's the best team in the world, but that the EPL is stronger than La Liga, overall.

The EPL has only existed since 1992. That makes it impossible for there to have been 23 winners. As far as I can recall there have only been four teams to win the EPL: Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Blackburn Rovers. I have a feeling that Manchester City are going to swell that list to a dizzying five. Still less than nine though.

/Knows what you meant
//Just a pedant
///The MIGHTY Oxford United are back in the League Two playoff positions. Yay!

As an overall body of work the EPL is probably better than La Liga, in that the middle to lower teams play at a higher level and can challenge the big boys. La Liga is unfortunately a league that exists primarily to produce players for EPL transfers and to support the ongoing Barcelona / Real Madrid rivalry, with precious little opportunity for any other teams to become relevant. That said, those two top teams are in my opinion superior to whichever team wins the EPL in a given year.

MugzyBrown: Rwa2play: Because he only has to face a good team 2x/season.

/Would LOL when he had to face Stoke City 2x/season

Considering he was in the top 3 in goal scoring in the EPL for 3 straight years, I don't think he worried too much about it.

Not to mention, the 3 years he was a starter at Man U he only played Stoke city 2 times and in one of the games scored 2 goals and had an assist.


Sooo you're clueless?

Nah, not when he disappears from games that matter the most.

/CL v. Barcelona...anyone?

mitchcumstein1: LucklessWonder: I have a feeling that Manchester City are going to swell that list to a dizzying five.

I'll bet you they don't.

Wish I wasn't completely broke, or I'd wager a month of TotalFark on it.

mitchcumstein1: and they're one of the biggest, most famous clubs in the world.

That doesn't mean they're good.

Valencia advanced from their group last year and Seville won their group the previous year. Atletico & Villa Real (who made the quarters) advanced out in '08.

There were a few years in the mid 2000's that english teams dominated the knockout stages of the Champions league. But not since.. and not before.

Cajnik: Those who care are probably in here, or will be, but they are going to replay the Ajax - AZ match behind closed doors
/threadjack


A complete replay? Was the goalie's red appealed?

Gonz: MugzyBrown: Cajnik: Ah yes, the English Premier League. The league that has to constantly tell itself that it's the best in the world.

For being the best league you'd think they'd have more than 3 european champions in the past 25 years.

Right- because having 1 or 2 dominant teams in the league means it's better than a league where you're challenged every week.

23 different clubs have won the EPL championship. Only 9 have won La Liga. Wow- could it be Barca or Real Madrid again this year? I can make the case for 4 or 5 EPL clubs to win the championship this year, although I think the Manchester duos are heads above anyone else. But La Liga? If you think it's not going to be Barcelona or Real Madrid, you're high.

I personally think Barca's the best team in the world, but that the EPL is stronger than La Liga, overall.

Doesn't the UK already have a soccer league with two overdominant teams in it?

/looking squarely at you, Celtic/Rangers.

EPL is a mercenary league, at least in La Liga we see a much higher ratio of Spanish players.

Look at the lineups of the better EPL teams v better La Liga teams. Kinda puts England back in their place, again. Yeah, Galacticos are poachers across the world (with many Spaniards) but on aggregate it's not even close.


/England
//rated

Forget the skill level, championships won, blah blah blah, EPL is just far more enjoyable to watch. Much, MUCH less diving, a much better parity in skill (you can get teams in the bottom 8 to play really awesome matches that are just as enjoyable as those in the top 4), more physical and better crowds.

Who in here can even name 10 teams in La Liga, let alone all 20? I'm betting most people could easily name 10 teams in the EPL and most can probably do all 20. EPL is what you watch when you want a good match and know that at least 3 or 4 of the 10am games will be interesting. La Liga you watch when Real or Barca are playing and Italian League is what you watch when you want to sleep.

Bundesliga is also quite enjoyable to watch, but the only English broadcasts are at 930 on GOLTV when all the good English games are on or the odd match on ESPN3 that never gets advertised.

Cajnik: rjakobi: looking squarely at you, Celtic/Rangers.

On right now, btw

And it went beautifully GIRFUY Rangers.

EPL has plenty of diving.

EPL constantly claims it has the best *insert nonsense here* when facts and trophies speak otherwise.

EPL "doesn't care" about the Europa League because they lose and it would ruin the leagues image if Spuds put out a full strength side only to get dicked 3-0 by some no name team from Finland. The other European spots in La Liga are hugely competitive, but it doesn't stop those sides from competing in both competitions at once.

EPL has a two horse race. Man United vs whatever flavor of the year foreign billionaire team (generally Chelsea, and the last time a team other than Chelsea or United won the EPL was the same year a team other than Barca or Real won La Liga)

Speaking of which, the EPL is competitive because their top teams have fallen a bit, and in comparison, Real and Barca currently might just be two of the greatest sides put together that have ever played the game. Right now, realistically, only Barca and Real will beat each other. They are in a league of their own, and every other team falls in a tier somewhere below that.

There's a team in Spain with a foreign billionaire picking up big name players. Buying a bunch of big name players in the EPL with a big name coach gives you a shot at the title in England, doing it in Spain has you fighting for seventh place.


For those claiming Ronaldo likes La Liga because it's easier, maybe you forgot this but he was DESTROYING the EPL before he left. Something like 31 goals and 7 assists in 31 starts in that league in a single season.

EPL is more competitive thanks to Chelsea drawing with everyone!
when Valencia loses 3 world class players per year and still finishes 3rd,
'ya know the competitive level is not up ta par.

Try as I may, I can't bring myself to care that much that the bottom-feeders of the EPL have a better television deal than the bottom-feeders of La Liga. That is, literally, the biggest difference between the leagues, give or take the current quality of the top two teams. Does the added revenue mean that the EPL minnows might have slightly stronger squads than their Spanish counterparts? Probably, but it's not like it puts them in contention for anything more than relegation ...and it doesn't even seem to make any difference in terms of determining the champion, as fewer different teams have won the EPL (4) versus La Liga (5) since the EPL was founded in 1992 (non-Barca/Real teams have four titles between them, compared to seven non-ManUnited titles in the EPL--each league would have four titles apiece outside the two best teams, as Arsenal & Chelsea each have three titles apiece).

I enjoy the EPL (and La Liga, for that matter), but I genuinely don't understand the arguments that it's a strong league top-to-bottom...particularly since the Championship generally is, at least relative to other second-tier leagues.

Gonz: MugzyBrown: Cajnik: Ah yes, the English Premier League. The league that has to constantly tell itself that it's the best in the world.

For being the best league you'd think they'd have more than 3 european champions in the past 25 years.

Right- because having 1 or 2 dominant teams in the league means it's better than a league where you're challenged every week.

23 different clubs have won the EPL championship. Only 9 have won La Liga. Wow- could it be Barca or Real Madrid again this year? I can make the case for 4 or 5 EPL clubs to win the championship this year, although I think the Manchester duos are heads above anyone else. But La Liga? If you think it's not going to be Barcelona or Real Madrid, you're high.

I personally think Barca's the best team in the world, but that the EPL is stronger than La Liga, overall.

EPL would win the fight after the game

Stimied in a Rut: Forget the skill level, championships won, blah blah blah, EPL is just far more enjoyable to watch. Much, MUCH less diving, a much better parity in skill (you can get teams in the bottom 8 to play really awesome matches that are just as enjoyable as those in the top 4), more physical and better crowds.

Who in here can even name 10 teams in La Liga, let alone all 20?

Off the top of my head:

Real Madrid
Barcelona
Sevilla
Villareal
Malaga
Tenerife
Zaragoza
Rayo Vallecano
Real Sociedad
Atlético Madrid
Athletic Bilbao
Levante
Mallorca
Valencia

I'm betting most people could easily name 10 teams in the EPL

Again, off the top of my head:

Manchester United
Manchester City
Liverpool
Chelsea
Blackburn
Westham United
Leeds
Arsenal

And that's all I can recall. The "gunners" are the Arsenal, no?

and most can probably do all 20.

"most" do all 20? Only if they're English or serious EPL fans. I'd say you'd lose that bet.

La Liga you watch when Real or Barca are playing

this is shortsighted. There are lots of good matches in the spanish Liga. The fact that Real or Barca are wayyy above the others doesn't make more even-matched games boring.

and Italian League is what you watch when you want to sleep.

Agreed. And I'm Italian! xD

Italian teams are only fun to watch when playing international competitions so you can see contrasts in style and strategy.

Bundesliga is also quite enjoyable to watch, but the only English broadcasts are at 930 on GOLTV when all the good English games are on or the odd match on ESPN3 that never gets advertised.

No Bundesliga broadcasts around here. EPL, Liga and Serie A.

/not Spanish ;)