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(Statesman) Followup Despite new guidelines, Texas research lab will continue experimenting on the state's residents   (statesman.com) divider line 22
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2011-12-28 10:04:49 AM
Oooo oooo oooo ah ah ah!

/flings poo
 
2011-12-28 10:31:09 AM
FTA: "Chimps, it turns out, love to rip apart packages, so Keeling staff members fill boxes with shredded paper and other goodies..."

Every once in a while, I'd fill one of those boxes full of hornets.

I bet after about six months of that, all the chimps would need four fingers worth of brandy and a couple of cigarettes before they'd open up any box.
 
2011-12-28 11:58:28 AM
In before "Why's it racist when I say that about the blacks" guy.
 
2011-12-28 11:58:37 AM
404 on mobile. Pro site.
 
2011-12-28 12:00:16 PM
Thought this was going to be an article about experimenting on the mentally ill.

Turns out it's monkeys.
/close enough
//anyone seen a texan that looks like a chimp?
 
2011-12-28 12:05:32 PM
chaosweaver: Thought this was going to be an article about experimenting on the mentally ill.

Turns out it's monkeys.
/close enough
//anyone seen a texan that looks like a chimp?


I think the point of the headline is that Texans are about as smart as monkeys, not that they necessarily look like them.

This is, of course, an insult to monkeys.
 
2011-12-28 12:08:59 PM
Needlessly Complicated: chaosweaver: Thought this was going to be an article about experimenting on the mentally ill.

Turns out it's monkeys.
/close enough
//anyone seen a texan that looks like a chimp?

I think the point of the headline is that Texans are about as smart as monkeys, not that they necessarily look like them.

This is, of course, an insult to monkeys.


I was referring to the picture of Dubya that was comparable to chimp's, which could also be a jab at the intelligence of texans.
 
2011-12-28 12:19:16 PM
The only problem I can see is that the research center seems to be focusing on the more intelligent of their citizens. Why does Texas hate those mentally superior to them?
 
2011-12-28 12:21:33 PM
Gee, if it's to cruel to experiment on animals, they should just use convicts--Texas has an ass-load of those.
 
2011-12-28 12:23:38 PM
Clearly they didn't see Rise of The Planet of the Apes.
 
2011-12-28 12:24:36 PM
realbigfun: they should just use convicts--Texas has an ass-load of those.

The prison in Huntsville is so large that it's on both sides of the highway.
The women's prison has the manlier primates inmates though.
 
2011-12-28 12:28:07 PM
realbigfun: Gee, if it's to cruel to experiment on animals, they should just use convicts--Texas has an ass-load of those.

joking aside, the last thing we want is to add yet another financial incentive to imprison people.
 
2011-12-28 12:33:07 PM
chaosweaver: Needlessly Complicated: chaosweaver: Thought this was going to be an article about experimenting on the mentally ill.

Turns out it's monkeys.
/close enough
//anyone seen a texan that looks like a chimp?

I think the point of the headline is that Texans are about as smart as monkeys, not that they necessarily look like them.

This is, of course, an insult to monkeys.

I was referring to the picture of Dubya that was comparable to chimp's, which could also be a jab at the intelligence of texans.


Oh, yeah... that guy. I think I was trying to block his presidency out of my mind.

/need more Ny-quil.
 
2011-12-28 12:35:06 PM
Sheila Jackson Lee is concerned about her close relatives. She doesn't give a rip about her constituents.
 
2011-12-28 12:35:27 PM
These aren't the same ones with that special disease, like AIDS or bubonic plague or extreme halitosis? Something you never want to hear of any escapes.

If Zombie Chimps are designed (intelligently or not), they will be from a monkey farm in Texas.
 
2011-12-28 12:35:33 PM
realbigfun: Gee, if it's to cruel to experiment on animals, they should just use convicts--Texas has an ass-load of those.

There does seem to be a kind of underlying principle to the cruelty in American society. It has something to do with the treatment of animals that are unable to give consent. Somehow, several states seem to have found a way to monetize pain but not to also find a profit in compassion. It is a curious business model, that probably has its ethical roots in a culture that can harm individuals with efficiency, but that can't efficiently care for a restrained or inarticulate individual (of whatever species).

Now, if American capitalism was unbiased, there would be a way to monetize compassion, and there would be an efficient way to care for individuals that can't give consent. then that ethical system could face the prisons and the animal testing subculture head-on and compete. Alas, nobody who works with capitalist models seems interested in developing that business plan.

/Well, maybe Thomas Hobbes, and his theory that society is bound together by gratitude, but that is not the same as making a profit off of gratitude.
 
2011-12-28 12:38:05 PM
BitwiseShift: If Zombie Chimps are designed (intelligently or not), they will be from a monkey farm in Texas.

The Bush ranch?
 
2011-12-28 12:59:51 PM
TEXAS,we're bigger than France
 
2011-12-28 01:22:12 PM
Bennie Crabtree: realbigfun: Gee, if it's to cruel to experiment on animals, they should just use convicts--Texas has an ass-load of those.

There does seem to be a kind of underlying principle to the cruelty in American society. It has something to do with the treatment of animals that are unable to give consent. Somehow, several states seem to have found a way to monetize pain but not to also find a profit in compassion. It is a curious business model, that probably has its ethical roots in a culture that can harm individuals with efficiency, but that can't efficiently care for a restrained or inarticulate individual (of whatever species).

Now, if American capitalism was unbiased, there would be a way to monetize compassion, and there would be an efficient way to care for individuals that can't give consent. then that ethical system could face the prisons and the animal testing subculture head-on and compete. Alas, nobody who works with capitalist models seems interested in developing that business plan.

/Well, maybe Thomas Hobbes, and his theory that society is bound together by gratitude, but that is not the same as making a profit off of gratitude.


What are you going on about? MD Anderson profits off of chimp research? That's a good trick for a non-profit institute predominantly known for cancer treatment. Show your work next time, you're numbers don't add up - profits usually mean earning money. Also, your comment of several states monetizing pain is further off base. Very little of this research is funded by the state of Texas, the federal government funds the lions share.

Though I will say that I welcome the new NIH rules since I think chimp research should be phased out as much as possible. However, its a longshot from life-saving research to state- insitutionalized cruelty. (The sorry state of prisons in this country is another matter).
 
2011-12-28 01:25:41 PM
Yeah people in Texas are apes, that's funny.
You guys should really stay away from Texas.

Link (new window)
 
2011-12-28 01:40:55 PM
*golf clap* for you subby

obamadidcoke:
Yeah people in Texas are apes, that's funny.
You guys should really stay away from Texas.

Link (new window)


Your link doesn't work but if it was supposed be about how great Texas is compared to everywhere else just remember that all those jobs that Perry keeps claiming credit for are by and large low-wage with no benefits. Meaning that tax payers will pay for the care of those people in the future. That and Perry had very little to do with it anyway. Also our schools suck and we have a huge deficit.

/ Texan
// Don't know if I'll stay, getting tired of the politics here
 
2011-12-29 01:47:11 AM
it's got to the point that any statement starting with (or including) "animal rights activists" automatically is treated as bunk. until or unless those folks start volunteering for the experiments or procedures they can STFU.
 
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