Sad part about this is she will probably win the case, for being an irresponsible whore.

Totally off topic, but I started out my career at that station. Actually just paid them a visit on Friday while visiting family.

Doesn't matter how much her bills are. She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night. Thank the deities that be she only hurt herself and not someone else. Stupid biatch must understand that there is this thing called consequences that she must deal with.

LOL so in order we can blame:

The Bar
DOT
Medical Care
The SC legislature

Good. It has to be someone OTHER than the person that decided to drink underage and then get behind the wheel of a car.

Maybe she should also sue the car manufacture for failing to install the breathalyzer as a standard option.

There has to be more people at fault here. How else can this net of shame be tossed upon?

Of course.

basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else. You made your bed, now you have to lay in it.

I see what you did there...

itsdan: basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else. You made your bed, now you have to lay in it.

My assumption was The Best Damned Medical Care on the Planet we have in this country left her with so many bills that the only feasible way she can live any semblance of a life may be this hail mary maneuver.

It is possible that her insurance company is suing in her name, a thing that is often behind bizarre headlines such as "Man sues his own mother!" Check your auto insurance policy; by signing on the line, you've given them a blank to file for damages on your behalf, whether you wan them to or not.

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FAS, but wrong...

Hmm, I think she has a chance of winning. All of the comments seem to be of the voice, she made a choice and should live with the results. I pretty much agree with that assessment but the fact that the drinking age is 21 says that the state does not believe that a 20 year old is capable of making that choice responsibly. Since she is incapable of making that choice (much like a 14 year old girl cannot give sexual consent) it doesn't matter the bar served her without protecting her from the choice that the state has already determined (by her age) that she is incompetent to make.

rnatalie

I know, was just piling on...

LoftKing: LOL so in order we can blame:

The Bar
DOT
Medical Care
The SC legislature

Good. It has to be someone OTHER than the person that decided to drink underage and then get behind the wheel of a car.

Maybe she should also sue the car manufacture for failing to install the breathalyzer as a standard option.

There has to be more people at fault here. How else can this net of shame be tossed upon?

I bet if it's worded just right she could blame it on Bush as well.

/although she can come close and blame it on Busch

rnatalie: She should sue...

That is really tough to say out loud.

Cast a wide net. There has to be money in it somewhere.

basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else.
Random Anonymous Blackmail: being an irresponsible whore
God--: She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night.
cig-mkr: Thank God we live in America and are not responsible for our own actions no matter how stupid they are

The bar owner made his or her choice not to check IDs, in spite of a law saying they had to do it. So they regret that irresponsible decision now... glad that you guys are willing to give them a free pass so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions.

Theaetetus: basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else.
Random Anonymous Blackmail: being an irresponsible whore
God--: She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night.
cig-mkr: Thank God we live in America and are not responsible for our own actions no matter how stupid they are

The bar owner made his or her choice not to check IDs, in spite of a law saying they had to do it. So they regret that irresponsible decision now... glad that you guys are willing to give them a free pass so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions.

Only real people need to be held accountable, corporate people get a pass on responsibility, the just get the rights.

Trance750: Theaetetus: basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else.
Random Anonymous Blackmail: being an irresponsible whore
God--: She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night.
cig-mkr: Thank God we live in America and are not responsible for our own actions no matter how stupid they are

The bar owner made his or her choice not to check IDs, in spite of a law saying they had to do it. So they regret that irresponsible decision now... glad that you guys are willing to give them a free pass so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions.

But it's not as if somebody tied her to the bar-stool and forced beer in her.

Yep, which means they're both responsible. See, in this modern world, we don't have to accept an all-or-nothing theory of liability. She's partly responsible, the bar's partly responsible, so their liability will be reduced by her negligence. Everyone has to face the consequences of their actions - you don't get a free ride just because someone else farked up, too.

Trance750: Theaetetus: basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else.
Random Anonymous Blackmail: being an irresponsible whore
God--: She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night.
cig-mkr: Thank God we live in America and are not responsible for our own actions no matter how stupid they are

The bar owner made his or her choice not to check IDs, in spite of a law saying they had to do it. So they regret that irresponsible decision now... glad that you guys are willing to give them a free pass so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions.

But it's not as if somebody tied her to the bar-stool and forced beer in her.

It's not as if anyone held a gun to the bar tender and made him serve her.

Was she hot?

Trance750: Has anybody ever entertained the notion that perhaps she looked older than 20?

She does now...

Is there a connection between the lack of personal responsibility and the use of corporal punishment for children? Because this biatch needs to be slapped.

Trance750: Has anybody ever entertained the notion that perhaps she looked older than 20?

But the law doesn't say "you can't serve alcohol to minors, unless they totally look over 20". The bar has the responsibility to follow the law, and they can't just claim they didn't know about it, or that "checking an ID" is an unreasonable burden, or that she totally looked over 20 so therefore they didn't have to follow the law. I really don't understand why you think it's fine that they shouldn't have to face the consequences of their actions. Don't you believe in personal responsibility?

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//Then we could just toss her in the pool and call her Bob


If she was on the beach, her name would be Sandy

bmongar: Trance750: Theaetetus: basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else.
Random Anonymous Blackmail: being an irresponsible whore
God--: She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night.
cig-mkr: Thank God we live in America and are not responsible for our own actions no matter how stupid they are

The bar owner made his or her choice not to check IDs, in spite of a law saying they had to do it. So they regret that irresponsible decision now... glad that you guys are willing to give them a free pass so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions.

But it's not as if somebody tied her to the bar-stool and forced beer in her.

It's not as if anyone held a gun to the bar tender and made him serve her.

She held boobies to his face, which are much more dangerous.

bmongar: Trance750: Theaetetus: basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else.
Random Anonymous Blackmail: being an irresponsible whore
God--: She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night.
cig-mkr: Thank God we live in America and are not responsible for our own actions no matter how stupid they are

The bar owner made his or her choice not to check IDs, in spite of a law saying they had to do it. So they regret that irresponsible decision now... glad that you guys are willing to give them a free pass so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions.

But it's not as if somebody tied her to the bar-stool and forced beer in her.

It's not as if anyone held a gun to the bar tender and made him serve her.

If he broke a law, he should be indicted on criminal charges. A civil suit shouldn't be filed by someone who was as equally responsible in their own accident.

Theaetetus
basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else.
Random Anonymous Blackmail: being an irresponsible whore
God--: She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night.
cig-mkr: Thank God we live in America and are not responsible for our own actions no matter how stupid they are

The bar owner made his or her choice not to check IDs, in spite of a law saying they had to do it. So they regret that irresponsible decision now... glad that you guys are willing to give them a free pass so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions.

How do we know she was not already drunk when she got there or if she actually got a beer instead of legal aged people slipping them to her under the table? Now we have a shadow of a doubt.... was there pot in her car?

Not a lawyer but SC law does not require carding of individuals. Laws such as must card if patron looks under 40 type laws.

Wouldn't this negate the lawsuit against the bar.

Mytch: bmongar: Trance750: Theaetetus: basemetal: Sounds like someone has regrets about their choices and now wants to blame everyone else.
Random Anonymous Blackmail: being an irresponsible whore
God--: She got drunk of her own accord and made the decision to drive that night.
cig-mkr: Thank God we live in America and are not responsible for our own actions no matter how stupid they are

The bar owner made his or her choice not to check IDs, in spite of a law saying they had to do it. So they regret that irresponsible decision now... glad that you guys are willing to give them a free pass so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions.

But it's not as if somebody tied her to the bar-stool and forced beer in her.

It's not as if anyone held a gun to the bar tender and made him serve her.

If he broke a law, he should be indicted on criminal charges. A civil suit shouldn't be filed by someone who was as equally responsible in their own accident.

Many states have partial responsibility laws. That is multiple parties can be responsible for an event. IF you break a law you can be held criminally liable, you can also be held liable in a civil suit for damages caused by that action. For instance if you beat the fark out of someone you can be charged with battery and be sued for damages. so put the two concepts of partial responsibility and both criminal and civil consequences and her law suit isn't really frivolous. Especially if you consider that the law he broke was specifically put in place to prevent accidents like this.

Trance750: Theaetetus: Trance750: Has anybody ever entertained the notion that perhaps she looked older than 20?

But the law doesn't say "you can't serve alcohol to minors, unless they totally look over 20". The bar has the responsibility to follow the law, and they can't just claim they didn't know about it, or that "checking an ID" is an unreasonable burden, or that she totally looked over 20 so therefore they didn't have to follow the law. I really don't understand why you think it's fine that they shouldn't have to face the consequences of their actions. Don't you believe in personal responsibility?

And I don't understand why people refuse to hold Snowflake responsible for her actions.

Who's doing that? I see a lot of people saying that the bar shouldn't be at all responsible, and no one saying she shouldn't be at all responsible. Are you sure you're not making things up?

Trance750: Theaetetus: Trance750: Has anybody ever entertained the notion that perhaps she looked older than 20?

But the law doesn't say "you can't serve alcohol to minors, unless they totally look over 20". The bar has the responsibility to follow the law, and they can't just claim they didn't know about it, or that "checking an ID" is an unreasonable burden, or that she totally looked over 20 so therefore they didn't have to follow the law. I really don't understand why you think it's fine that they shouldn't have to face the consequences of their actions. Don't you believe in personal responsibility?

And I don't understand why people refuse to hold Snowflake responsible for her actions.

There needn't be an all or nothing to responsibility. No one said she isn't responsible. What the argument is, is that the bar is partially responsible.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: How do we know she was not already drunk when she got there

So, you're suggesting that the bar didn't actually serve her any alcohol? Because if she was already drunk, then (i) they have a responsibility not to serve drunk people, and (ii) they still have a responsibility not to serve minors.
Now, if she didn't drink anything at all, that's a defense... but a single credit card receipt will throw that entire theory out.

or if she actually got a beer instead of legal aged people slipping them to her under the table? Now we have a shadow of a doubt.... was there pot in her car

Shadow of a doubt is irrelevant in a civil suit - the standard is "more likely than not". Is it more likely than not that a place called "Jock's Sports Grill" served an underage patron? Is the Pope Catholic?

Depending on state laws, if she was legal and the bar served her too much alcohol, the bar and the bartender / cocktail server bear some responsibility for the crash.

Based on the outcome of the night, they should have cut her off sooner.

In my opinion, she also has some responsibility because in every way except for drinking, she is an adult. But it's going to come down to a jury to decide how much it's worth.

As far as DOT? That's just stupid.

This place serves 20 year olds? Unbelievable!