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(Daily Kos) Interesting Montanans launch Recall of Senators Max Baucus and Jonathan Tester, who approved NDAA Military Detention. The issue of federal official recall has never reached the federal courts   (dailykos.com) divider line 186
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2011-12-27 02:17:26 PM
Good. recall the sons of biatches.
 
2011-12-27 02:22:36 PM
I hope this marks the beginning of a trend
 
2011-12-27 02:24:27 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: I hope this marks the beginning of a trend

If more and more politicians are subjected to recall efforts due to their actions, I think the first thing we'll see is the repeal of laws that let us remove politicians from office.
 
2011-12-27 02:28:04 PM
My guess is the SC would overturn this in the same way they overturned congressional term limits.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-12-27 02:46:06 PM
I'm with Angry Drunk Bureaucrat.
 
2011-12-27 02:48:49 PM
Weaver95: Good. recall the sons of biatches.

It's a shame we can't recall Toomey. He's as big a tool as Santorum was.
 
2011-12-27 02:55:23 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: My guess is the SC would overturn this in the same way they overturned congressional term limits.

I concur. Article 1 only allows the states authority with regard to the time, place and manner of election of reps and senators. The ability to remove is reserved to each house and only then with the concurrence of 2/3 of the members voting. See US Const. Art. 1, sec. 5, cl. 2.
 
2011-12-27 03:04:39 PM
BritneysSpeculum: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: My guess is the SC would overturn this in the same way they overturned congressional term limits.

I concur. Article 1 only allows the states authority with regard to the time, place and manner of election of reps and senators. The ability to remove is reserved to each house and only then with the concurrence of 2/3 of the members voting. See US Const. Art. 1, sec. 5, cl. 2.


Pretty much this.
 
2011-12-27 03:16:18 PM
brerrabbit: BritneysSpeculum: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: My guess is the SC would overturn this in the same way they overturned congressional term limits.

I concur. Article 1 only allows the states authority with regard to the time, place and manner of election of reps and senators. The ability to remove is reserved to each house and only then with the concurrence of 2/3 of the members voting. See US Const. Art. 1, sec. 5, cl. 2.

Pretty much this.


That depends on what your definition of 'may' is.

/not a lawyer, but I predict much, um, reasoned discussion over whether that phrase reserves those rights to the Senate or just spells out exactly how they can use them
 
2011-12-27 03:25:43 PM
spiffy
 
2011-12-27 03:26:37 PM
As a registered Democrat, I wouldn't be sad to see Baucus go. (Don't know much about Tester...)
 
2011-12-27 03:26:40 PM
they have twisted the law to suit their own agenda's rendering it w/o effect.
 
2011-12-27 03:27:07 PM
After a fair trial and a hanging, it needn't bother the federal court system at all.
 
2011-12-27 03:29:37 PM
So a handful of angry liberals decided they were going to circulate petitions to get their Democratic electeds recalled because they don't like one thing they did. However if they were to succeed they would get a Republican elected who would not agree with them on anything. What a sound plan.
 
2011-12-27 03:31:05 PM
They also are going after Denny Rehburg. I've wanted Baucus gone as long as I can remember and have NEVER voted for that arshole. I really hope we can actually do this. It would be awesome.
 
2011-12-27 03:32:33 PM
Good. Remove them. More should follow.

If the people are the ones who elect them, they should be the ones removing them. Leaving the fox to guard the hen house by only letting the House remove them will not work.
 
2011-12-27 03:32:37 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: My guess is the SC would overturn this in the same way they overturned congressional term limits.

Quick question: If the more numerous branch of the state legislature has term limits, can the state enforce term limits on its House of Representatives delegation? Why or why not?
 
2011-12-27 03:33:37 PM
Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals decided they were going to circulate petitions to get their Democratic electeds recalled because they don't like one thing they did. However if they were to succeed they would get a Republican elected who would not agree with them on anything. What a sound plan.

Well they are also going after Rehberg who is Republican.
 
2011-12-27 03:33:41 PM
If the people would not vote assholes into office they wouldn't need to launch a recall. What's wrong with the people?
 
2011-12-27 03:34:58 PM
Back before Senators were elected, a state could replace them on a whim.

/it was a better system
 
2011-12-27 03:35:43 PM
Every politician sucks...except my guy, he brings home the bacon.
 
2011-12-27 03:36:35 PM
Every single one of these farkers should be scared shiatless to lose their jobs, during good times and bad. If politicians are content, us citizens are doing a shiatty job.
 
2011-12-27 03:37:02 PM
Sounds like democracy in action to me. Agency is not simply waiting for an election.
 
2011-12-27 03:37:23 PM
neversubmit: If the people would not vote assholes into office they wouldn't need to launch a recall. What's wrong with the people?

You're still operating under the impression that votes matter in an election.
 
2011-12-27 03:37:51 PM
The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: Every politician sucks...except my guy, he brings home the bacon.

If they all 'brought home bacon' we'd be a better nation. But they seem to be intent on giving private interests public assets instead of the other way around.
 
2011-12-27 03:37:58 PM
Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals

I strongly doubt most or even many of the Oath Keepers are liberals:

"Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution"
 
2011-12-27 03:38:34 PM
Next comes elector nullification. Then judicial whamalamadingdongification. Then congressional it'smypartyandi'llcryifiwanttolification....

We are in two wars--one in Afghanistan and the other War on Terror. Habeas corpus has been suspended before in time of war and the constitution states the government can deny rights as long as it is by due process.

I'm not saying I like any idea of the government being able to violate habeas corpus but there is precedence and there are constitutional guidelines.
 
2011-12-27 03:38:52 PM
American Citizens get due process no matter what. This law will not stand. Seriously, "Terrorism" is defined very vaguely. Man I am glad I am going to law school to learn how to fight these farking stateists in a court room. I am tired of freedoms being taken away all in the name of "keeping me safe."

I tell you what, I will keep me safe and when I need help I will summon authorities to either help defend my rights, or to clean up the criminal's remains whom did not heed my warning.

American Citizens in the United States of America should not be detained unless they can be charged with in a reasonable amount of time, which is usually understood as, 3 days.
 
2011-12-27 03:40:41 PM
Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals decided they were going to circulate petitions to get their Democratic electeds recalled because they don't like one thing they did. However if they were to succeed they would get a Republican elected who would not agree with them on anything. What a sound plan.

There is such a thing as called going too far. Supporting this act has gone too far.

I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life, and unless I see the Democrats do an about face and stop being Republican sidekicks, I'll never consider voting for them again, either.

The signing over of the digustingly evil power of life in prison without trial to one man, by a margin of victory using the most bipartisian votes i've ever seen in this decade, is the last straw. Both PARTIES (not ideological sides necessarily) are bad. Don't vote for any of them. Stop throwing away your votes.

And dont you blame me for "throwing my vote away." I'm not throwing my vote away, I'm going to vote for whomever will represent my best interests, you are throwing your vote away on some power-grabbing president and his lackies from both parties. It is your fault as much as the Republican moron base is for voting for whoever the hell they vote for.
 
2011-12-27 03:41:08 PM
Remember, remember the 27th of December!
 
2011-12-27 03:41:15 PM
Well, if it's never been actually tested in court? Worth a shot, I guess.
 
2011-12-27 03:42:02 PM
natazha: Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals

I strongly doubt most or even many of the Oath Keepers are liberals


If only this were liberals leading the cause, the fact that the Oath Keepers are behind this basically makes it a side show. At least the Republicans won't be able to co-opt this movement, since even they wouldn't want to be associated with the Oath Keepers in public.
 
2011-12-27 03:42:11 PM
I'm liking Montana more and more.
 
2011-12-27 03:43:11 PM
SnakeLee: natazha: Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals

I strongly doubt most or even many of the Oath Keepers are liberals

If only this were liberals leading the cause, the fact that the Oath Keepers are behind this basically makes it a side show. At least the Republicans won't be able to co-opt this movement, since even they wouldn't want to be associated with the Oath Keepers their real base in public.


FTFY
 
2011-12-27 03:43:33 PM
Smeggy Smurf: Back before Senators were elected, a state could replace them on a whim.

/it was a better system


The State of Florida and its 3/4 Republican Legislature, all-GOP cabinet, and sub-40% registered Republican electorate would strongly disagree with you.
 
2011-12-27 03:43:49 PM
Invalidating the Bill of Rights because we are fighting an undeclared war against a concept like "terror" is the most retarded thing imaginable.

How do you defeat "terror"? You can't.
 
2011-12-27 03:44:10 PM
FLMountainMan: Smeggy Smurf: Back before Senators were elected, a state could replace them on a whim.

/it was a better system

The State of Florida and its 3/4 Republican Legislature, all-GOP cabinet, and sub-40% registered Republican electorate would strongly disagree with you.


There's gotta be a better way to say that.

/Floridiot
 
2011-12-27 03:44:27 PM
Dedmon: Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals decided they were going to circulate petitions to get their Democratic electeds recalled because they don't like one thing they did. However if they were to succeed they would get a Republican elected who would not agree with them on anything. What a sound plan.

There is such a thing as called going too far. Supporting this act has gone too far.

I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life, and unless I see the Democrats do an about face and stop being Republican sidekicks, I'll never consider voting for them again, either.

The signing over of the digustingly evil power of life in prison without trial to one man, by a margin of victory using the most bipartisian votes i've ever seen in this decade, is the last straw. Both PARTIES (not ideological sides necessarily) are bad. Don't vote for any of them. Stop throwing away your votes.

And dont you blame me for "throwing my vote away." I'm not throwing my vote away, I'm going to vote for whomever will represent my best interests, you are throwing your vote away on some power-grabbing president and his lackies from both parties. It is your fault as much as the Republican moron base is for voting for whoever the hell they vote for.


I'll be voting for Paul if he's on the ballot next November. If he's not, my dog is getting the write-in for president.
 
2011-12-27 03:44:46 PM
cuzsis: Good. Remove them. More should follow.

If the people are the ones who elect them, they should be the ones removing them. Leaving the fox to guard the hen house by only letting the House remove them will not work.


This. The elected should be afraid of the electorate. They are their to do a job that the electorate gave them and should be able to take away at any time should said electorate decide the need exists.
 
2011-12-27 03:45:05 PM
Anavrinman: neversubmit: If the people would not vote assholes into office they wouldn't need to launch a recall. What's wrong with the people?

You're still operating under the impression that votes matter in an election.


proof?
 
2011-12-27 03:46:03 PM
natazha: Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals

I strongly doubt most or even many of the Oath Keepers are liberals:

"Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution"


Shhhhh...you're spoiling the narrative.
 
2011-12-27 03:47:47 PM
Well if they cant be recalled and the public sentiment is against them, then I doubt they will last their next election anyways. You just have to hope that Montanans attention span is longer than most farkers dicks.
 
2011-12-27 03:49:27 PM
Weaver95: If more and more politicians are subjected to recall efforts due to their actions, I think the first thing we'll see is the repeal of laws that let us remove politicians from office.


Followed shortly by pitchforks, torches, and rope. The really scratchy kind.
 
2011-12-27 03:49:34 PM
natazha: Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals

I strongly doubt most or even many of the Oath Keepers are liberals:

"Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution"


Also this:

"In the Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) 2009 report The Second Wave: Return of the Militias, Larry Keller, a writer for the SPLC, wrote that the Oath Keepers "may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival."[8] Keller described Richard Mack, an Oath Keeper, as a "longtime militia hero"[8]:7[9] and quoted him as having said, "The greatest threat we face today is not terrorists; it is our federal government... One of the best and easiest solutions is to depend on local officials, especially the sheriff, to stand against federal intervention and federal criminality."

I don't agree with these folks on much, but I gotta go with them on this one.
 
2011-12-27 03:50:02 PM
HotIgneous Intruder: Dedmon: Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals decided they were going to circulate petitions to get their Democratic electeds recalled because they don't like one thing they did. However if they were to succeed they would get a Republican elected who would not agree with them on anything. What a sound plan.

There is such a thing as called going too far. Supporting this act has gone too far.

I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life, and unless I see the Democrats do an about face and stop being Republican sidekicks, I'll never consider voting for them again, either.

The signing over of the digustingly evil power of life in prison without trial to one man, by a margin of victory using the most bipartisian votes i've ever seen in this decade, is the last straw. Both PARTIES (not ideological sides necessarily) are bad. Don't vote for any of them. Stop throwing away your votes.

And dont you blame me for "throwing my vote away." I'm not throwing my vote away, I'm going to vote for whomever will represent my best interests, you are throwing your vote away on some power-grabbing president and his lackies from both parties. It is your fault as much as the Republican moron base is for voting for whoever the hell they vote for.

I'll be voting for Paul if he's on the ballot next November. If he's not, my dog is getting the write-in for president.


Ron Paul wants to remove ALL federal court review over all abortion laws at any level of government. He's admitted it's the only way he will ever get abortion banned in this country. He's a religious bigot who wants to impose his beliefs on all Americans.

He's not going to respect civil rights any more than the people who support indefinite military detention.

You can read about Ron Paul's plan to rewrite the Constitution to ban federal court review of abortion on his webpage. He's actually proud of his plans to nationalize womens' private parts.
 
2011-12-27 03:50:39 PM
fusillade762: I don't agree with these folks on much, but I gotta go with them on this one.

Oh, and by "these folks" I mean the Oathkeepers, not the SPLC.
 
2011-12-27 03:51:50 PM
BullBearMS: Invalidating the Bill of Rights because we are fighting an undeclared war against a concept like "terror" is the most retarded thing imaginable.

How do you defeat "terror"? You can't.


Fight terror with terror!

/I have a cunning plan...
 
2011-12-27 03:52:58 PM
Outrageous Muff: So a handful of angry liberals decided they were going to circulate petitions to get their Democratic electeds recalled because they don't like one thing they did. However if they were to succeed they would get a Republican elected who would not agree with them on anything. What a sound plan.

There's disagreement, and there's treason.
 
2011-12-27 03:52:58 PM
too bad the republican freakshow is keeping Obama in office or I think there'd be a stronger call to stick to him too.
 
2011-12-27 03:53:39 PM
groppet: Well if they cant be recalled and the public sentiment is against them, then I doubt they will last their next election anyways. You just have to hope that Montanans attention span is longer than most farkers dicks.

If you recall, Max Baucus is the guy who took more than a million dollars from the insurance industry and then killed the public option that voters quite clearly supported by large margins.

Is anyone shocked that he is still doing the bidding of his obscenely wealthy masters?
 
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