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(Hindustan Times)   Kim Jong-Il's oldest son "under Chinese protection" after pointing out that even Chairman Mao was against hereditary succession   (hindustantimes.com) divider line 96
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2011-12-26 08:19:23 AM
To be fair, this is not an entirely bad idea. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the capital if I were him. Between the folks who want to put him on a leash, or the folks who want him to disappear, and the folks who will want to stage a very public sort of coup, being out of the country is not a bad place for him, personally...
 
2011-12-26 08:43:09 AM
Exactly how Maoist are they? Just wondering - I mean I figured by now it would have just turned into out-and-out Kim worship....
 
2011-12-26 08:43:56 AM
You play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
 
2011-12-26 09:03:56 AM
"(Hereditary succession) does not fit with socialism, and my father was against it as well."

Riiiiiight.
 
2011-12-26 09:08:58 AM

FriarReb98: Exactly how Maoist are they? Just wondering - I mean I figured by now it would have just turned into out-and-out Kim worship....


Apparently their latest version of their constitution doesn't even mention communism. So the answer is not really.
 
2011-12-26 09:16:07 AM

Andromeda: Apparently their latest version of their constitution doesn't even mention communism. So the answer is not really.


They're replaced communism with Juche.
 
2011-12-26 09:36:18 AM

shivashakti: Andromeda: Apparently their latest version of their constitution doesn't even mention communism. So the answer is not really.

They're replaced communism with Juche.


Pretty much. From the photographs I've seen, you'll see a Mao or a Lenin here or there but for the most part, it's the Kims and Juche that are on the menu.
 
2011-12-26 09:51:58 AM
He's just mad it wasn't him.
 
2011-12-26 09:56:36 AM
Of course, it depends on how you define 'Best', but If Best Heir is Best Successor for Best Korea, roll with it.
 
2011-12-26 10:05:16 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-12-26 10:24:50 AM

GAT_00: shivashakti: Andromeda: Apparently their latest version of their constitution doesn't even mention communism. So the answer is not really.

They're replaced communism with Juche.

Wasn't that the idea?


They replaced Juche with "military first". Not that juche is really any different from communism. It just means self-reliance, which they clearly have never been.
 
2011-12-26 10:25:41 AM

shivashakti: Andromeda: Apparently their latest version of their constitution doesn't even mention communism. So the answer is not really.

They're replaced communism with Juche.


I thought it was folgers crystals
 
2011-12-26 10:35:21 AM
I'm sorry, but until Kim Jong Un consolidates power, I would stay the hell away from the DPRK if I was considered a possible successor.

Nothing like removing the competition to force the military to accept you as the newest "Dear Leader".

IIRC, the kid has a degree. He should do OK in China. Decent life without all the cray cray and seriously bad karma.
 
2011-12-26 10:51:19 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: shivashakti: Andromeda: Apparently their latest version of their constitution doesn't even mention communism. So the answer is not really.

They're replaced communism with Juche.

I thought it was folgers crystals


Soylent Green is Folgers Crystals!
 
2011-12-26 10:57:07 AM

shivashakti: Andromeda: Apparently their latest version of their constitution doesn't even mention communism. So the answer is not really.

They're replaced communism with Juche.


I KNEW it was the Juche's fault.
 
2011-12-26 10:59:02 AM

brerrabbit: I'm sorry, but until Kim Jong Un consolidates power, I would stay the hell away from the DPRK if I was considered a possible successor.

Nothing like removing the competition to force the military to accept you as the newest "Dear Leader".

IIRC, the kid has a degree. He should do OK in China. Decent life without all the cray cray and seriously bad karma.


I don't care who is consolidating their power.

29.media.tumblr.com
 
2011-12-26 10:59:41 AM
So what ???!!!! Lakhs of Tibetans in India r under India's protection, r not they???!!!!!!


Indeed.
 
2011-12-26 11:01:42 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 399x326]


Apparently people are just fine with war profiteers who have the power to start decade-long invasions. Derp (pops)
 
2011-12-26 11:15:08 AM
Sour grapes because he never shot a 39 on the links like his father and brother did
 
2011-12-26 11:22:53 AM

boobsrgood: Because People in power are Stupid: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 399x326]

Apparently people are just fine with war profiteers who have the power to start decade-long invasions. Derp (pops)


And yet we were ready to replace another Bush in office with another Clinton.

Not judging you. Just putting that out there.
 
2011-12-26 11:31:00 AM
DRTFA, but...

I thought this was the son who said "thanks, but no thanks" to the old man, re: "do you want my jerb when I'm gone"?

I saw a 60 Minutes or something similar where they found him to be a playboy living in Macao or Hong Kong, living it up, getting wasted on dad's dime, chasing teh pussies... and was just fine with that.
 
2011-12-26 11:31:30 AM
I think we should eliminate all of the juche.
 
2011-12-26 11:39:25 AM

Archie Goodwin: "(Hereditary succession) does not fit with socialism, and my father was against it as well."

Riiiiiight.


Well, the last part is bull, but he's right on the nose about it not fitting socialism--it was originally intended to be purely democratic.

Admittedly, it went to hell in a handbasket, but the kid's not a total dumbass.

/Actually, given that he's under Chinese protection, he sounds pretty smart
//Good on him
 
2011-12-26 11:47:55 AM

Archie Goodwin: "(Hereditary succession) does not fit with socialism, and my father was against it as well."

Riiiiiight.


Well, actually there are a lot more people than his father that are interested in maintaining the dynasty. Kim Jung-Il may actually have been generally agasint it, but his remaining family like his sister-in-law, as well as the government establishment might have forced the issue.

Usually these dictators stay in power through a tenuous balance of placating a supportive structure of close hangers-on.
 
2011-12-26 11:49:26 AM
There's unlimited Juche?

//This party is gonna be off the hook!
 
2011-12-26 12:00:05 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: There's unlimited Juche?

//This party is gonna be off the hook!


Sippin' on Gin and Juche?
 
2011-12-26 12:02:19 PM

eraser8: Sippin' on Gin Kim and Juche?

 
2011-12-26 12:05:25 PM

PsiChick: Archie Goodwin: "(Hereditary succession) does not fit with socialism, and my father was against it as well."

Riiiiiight.

Well, the last part is bull, but he's right on the nose about it not fitting socialism--it was originally intended to be purely democratic.


As for the last part, I think North Koreans arguing about what "Dear Leader" was for or against is much like Americans arguing about what the Founding Fathers would have thought about abortion or gun control or nativity scenes today. Look at all the Fark arguments about whether Jefferson was Christian, for example.

The only real difference I see is that since Kim Jong-Il died much more recently, it's presumably easier to know what he actually had to say specifically on whatever the topic is. But the principle is the same.
 
2011-12-26 12:07:13 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 399x326]


this picture and this handle make for one of the best posts evar.
 
2011-12-26 12:08:41 PM
I think that being under Chinese protection may well be China's way of keeping a trump card in case things don't go well in Best Korea. I reckon they'd quash any coup d'etat or similar uprising, and install him as the "Rightful Dear Leader". You know, a friendly little gesture to insure stability - and to keep things less stabby - in the region.
 
2011-12-26 12:19:15 PM

vygramul: GAT_00: shivashakti: Andromeda: Apparently their latest version of their constitution doesn't even mention communism. So the answer is not really.

They're replaced communism with Juche.

Wasn't that the idea?

They replaced Juche with "military first". Not that juche is really any different from communism. It just means self-reliance, which they clearly have never been.


And they never really followed a philosophy of Juche. In fact it's not really much of a philosophy. However, it was something they could claim to follow and attribute solely to Kim, so it served its purpose.

The reality is they do worship Kim.
 
2011-12-26 12:21:26 PM
My take on the situation is, the military has the real power. They tell Kim he can suck all the expensive whiskey and bang all the bimbos he wants, but he must not interfere.
 
2011-12-26 12:21:30 PM

Nick Nostril: DRTFA, but...

I thought this was the son who said "thanks, but no thanks" to the old man, re: "do you want my jerb when I'm gone"?

I saw a 60 Minutes or something similar where they found him to be a playboy living in Macao or Hong Kong, living it up, getting wasted on dad's dime, chasing teh pussies... and was just fine with that.


Not exactly. He didn't want to live in DPRK because it lacked many things he enjoyed, but there are some indications he hoped to return to rule. But then he screwed that up because he is an idiot and somehow thought he could sneak in to Japan to go to Disney Tokyo.
 
2011-12-26 12:22:49 PM

ciberido: PsiChick: Archie Goodwin: "(Hereditary succession) does not fit with socialism, and my father was against it as well."

Riiiiiight.

Well, the last part is bull, but he's right on the nose about it not fitting socialism--it was originally intended to be purely democratic.

As for the last part, I think North Koreans arguing about what "Dear Leader" was for or against is much like Americans arguing about what the Founding Fathers would have thought about abortion or gun control or nativity scenes today. Look at all the Fark arguments about whether Jefferson was Christian, for example.

The only real difference I see is that since Kim Jong-Il died much more recently, it's presumably easier to know what he actually had to say specifically on whatever the topic is. But the principle is the same.


Except that the USA's founding fathers succeeded in producing a highly successful form of government that has lasted over 200 years, survived a Civil War intact (i.e. the same form of government) and until now the nation they created has been one of the richest and most powerful nations in history. Oh, and although it's had an imperfect history on democracy and human rights, it's been a hell of a lot better than any of its predecessors.

But yeah, despite that, we should have no more interest in their ideas than Kim Jong-Il's.

Also, this sans-serif script makes Kim Jong Il look just like Kim Jong, Jr. upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-12-26 12:27:53 PM

jdcgonzalez: I think we should eliminate all of the juche.


So, we finally have a solution to the Juche problem, eh?

Nice...
 
2011-12-26 12:30:50 PM

shivashakti: They're replaced communism with Juche.


You like-a the Juche, eh?
 
2011-12-26 12:34:16 PM
fta: "and my father was against it as well"

uh huh...
 
2011-12-26 12:35:30 PM
Didn't Kim Jong-Il gain power through hereditary succession? I doubt he had a problem with it. Though I don't think Kim Jong-Nam lost favor because he tried to get into Japan illegally so much as he was going to the temple of western decadence and imperialism known as Disney.
 
2011-12-26 12:37:40 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 399x326]


That's different, we voted for 'im.

(johnadams-johnquincyadams.jpg)
 
2011-12-26 12:39:05 PM
up until a few days ago, kim jong il was considered a living god by the majority of north koreans. now hes just a regular god.

if north koreans were shown the outside world their brains might implode.
 
2011-12-26 12:43:00 PM

craigzy: up until a few days ago, kim jong il was considered a living god by the majority of north koreans. now hes just a regular god.

if north koreans were shown the outside world their brains might implode.


Close.

They are taught from birth that their land is the richest and strongest in the world, and all the world respects and fears their leaders. If they ever learned they are on a par with the turd-world countries, and their leaders are regarded as somewhere between an irritation and a joke, they would all go crazy.

The last time something like that happened was Japan in 1854, when Commodore Perry opened up the nation to foreign trade; they found out how inferior they really were, and freaked out for the next 75 years, more or less.
 
2011-12-26 12:43:14 PM

Aqua Buddha:
Except that the USA's founding fathers succeeded in producing a highly successful form of government that has lasted over 200 years, survived a Civil War intact (i.e. the same form of government) and until now the nation they created has been one of the richest and most powerful nations in history.


Except, you know, for the 160-odd years when it wasn't.
 
2011-12-26 12:51:51 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: There's unlimited Juche?

//This party is gonna be off the hook!


loose seal!
 
2011-12-26 12:53:05 PM
Kim Jong-Nam might be Best Korea's first high profile dissident. Macau is an interesting place to live in exile.
 
2011-12-26 01:07:05 PM

olddinosaur: craigzy: up until a few days ago, kim jong il was considered a living god by the majority of north koreans. now hes just a regular god.

if north koreans were shown the outside world their brains might implode.

Close.

They are taught from birth that their land is the richest and strongest in the world, and all the world respects and fears their leaders. If they ever learned they are on a par with the turd-world countries, and their leaders are regarded as somewhere between an irritation and a joke, they would all go crazy.

The last time something like that happened was Japan in 1854, when Commodore Perry opened up the nation to foreign trade; they found out how inferior they really were, and freaked out for the next 75 years, more or less.


That is until they kicked Russia's ass about 1904, you mean?
 
2011-12-26 01:10:27 PM
Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss
 
2011-12-26 01:26:49 PM

olddinosaur: They are taught from birth that their land is the richest and strongest in the world, and all the world respects and fears their leaders. If they ever learned they are on a par with the turd-world countries, and their leaders are regarded as somewhere between an irritation and a joke, they would all go crazy


sounds familiar
 
2011-12-26 01:36:09 PM

SharkTrager: Nick Nostril: DRTFA, but...

I thought this was the son who said "thanks, but no thanks" to the old man, re: "do you want my jerb when I'm gone"?

I saw a 60 Minutes or something similar where they found him to be a playboy living in Macao or Hong Kong, living it up, getting wasted on dad's dime, chasing teh pussies... and was just fine with that.

Not exactly. He didn't want to live in DPRK because it lacked many things he enjoyed, but there are some indications he hoped to return to rule. But then he screwed that up because he is an idiot and somehow thought he could sneak in to Japan to go to Disney Tokyo.


With a forged DOMINICAN passport. I'm sure that didn't raise any eyebrows at Narita.
 
2011-12-26 01:36:40 PM

Mister Peejay: Because People in power are Stupid: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 399x326]

That's different, we voted for 'im.

(johnadams-johnquincyadams.jpg)


But who counted the votes?
 
2011-12-26 01:36:48 PM
So what is new? The Communist Chinese protecting another Commie leader. Heck, most people do not even realize, after trillions of trade deficits with the Communist Chinese....that the Chinese are still Communist

The elder Kim Jong Jr was never his father's favorite, anyway
 
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