No, Subby, you have it mixed up. It's Simon Cowell that's Jesus. Obama is just one of Santa's reindeer.

Oh, I guess I need to run out and buy a sack of charcoal at the petrol station then.

It's actually a well known fact that each subsequent generation is smarter than the last.

I don't get the Obama joke.

/I also don't have much of a sense of humor

Study finds that kids are smartasses

Atheism. Fastest growing ideology in the world. Kids ARE getting smarter.

I'm sorry - celebrating Christmas on Dec 25th has very little to do with Jesus.

http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/ARTB/k/568/When - Was-Jesus-Born.htm
http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/was-jesus-born-on-december-25-faq. h tm

It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

So, basically, the church showed up and a bunch of pagans are having a big party for the winter solstice. That makes sense because, each day before the solstice (for the most part), winter gets colder and the days get shorter. But after the solstice, things get warmer and the days get longer. That's a pretty cool thing to celebrate. I'm not religious in any sense of the word but I look forward to the solstice (which was Dec. 22nd I believe).

We know Dec 25th doesn't correspond to Jesus's birth.....fine. But maybe it's still 'about' him. Right?

Compare Jesus to Santa.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Jesus%2C+Santa

Santa is winning. It's not even close. Santa is more popular than Jesus. Children don't go to the mall to sit with Jesus. Children don't unwrap presents from Jesus. Only a handful of Christmas songs and traditions even mention Jesus in some round-about way.

These children who are failing to see a deep and meaningful connection between Jesus and Christmas aren't *wrong*. They're actually being quite observant.

SnatchTease: Atheism. Fastest growing ideology in the world. Kids ARE getting smarter.

Saying statements like this apparently make you the asshole.

While forcing your teenage daughter to carry an unwanted child ensuring she never finish high school, go to college and be a leech on society for the rest of her life all because of your belief in an invisible skyman is not.

Fark_Guy_Rob: These children who are failing to see a deep and meaningful connection between Jesus and Christmas aren't *wrong*. They're actually being quite observant.

Exactly. It's like demanding the arrest a 4 year old for child molestation after he and another 4 year old played "doctor"

TwistedFark: It's actually a well known fact that each subsequent generation is smarter than the last.

I don't get the Obama joke.

/I also don't have much of a sense of humor

Maybe it's that incredibly imbecilic claim that all liberals believe he's the messiah?

It's 'makes you the asshole', farking illiterate. As for the rest of your statement, what?! You lost me at 'hurr durr'.

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm sorry - celebrating Christmas on Dec 25th has very little to do with Jesus.

http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/ARTB/k/568/When - Was-Jesus-Born.htm
http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/was-jesus-born-on-december-25-faq. h tm

It wasn't until A.D. 440 that the church officially proclaimed December 25 as the birth of Christ. This was not based on any religious evidence but on a pagan feast. Saturnalia was a tradition inherited by the Roman pagans from an earlier Babylonian priesthood. December 25 was used as a celebration of the birthday of the sun god. It was observed near the winter solstice.

So, basically, the church showed up and a bunch of pagans are having a big party for the winter solstice. That makes sense because, each day before the solstice (for the most part), winter gets colder and the days get shorter. But after the solstice, things get warmer and the days get longer. That's a pretty cool thing to celebrate. I'm not religious in any sense of the word but I look forward to the solstice (which was Dec. 22nd I believe).

We know Dec 25th doesn't correspond to Jesus's birth.....fine. But maybe it's still 'about' him. Right?

Compare Jesus to Santa.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Jesus%2C+Santa

Santa is winning. It's not even close. Santa is more popular than Jesus. Children don't go to the mall to sit with Jesus. Children don't unwrap presents from Jesus. Only a handful of Christmas songs and traditions even mention Jesus in some round-about way.

These children who are failing to see a deep and meaningful connection between Jesus and Christmas aren't *wrong*. They're actually being quite observant.

santa is the christian's ultimate scape goat....

What if we replaced santa with jesus?

We'd write letters to jesus telling him how good and faithful we'd been, and then ask jesus to reward the good and the faithful with presents...

But then those present never show

So parents have to pick up the slack and go out and buy present for the kids, just like they do with santa

And the little children are happy and they LOVE jesus, cause you know, he brings the good and the faithful presents

Then one day, the little children sneak into the living room hoping to catch jesus putting presents under the dogwood tree (you know, cause jesus died on dogwood and not pine) and they find mommy and daddy wrapping presents...

now mommy and daddy have some explaining to do...

When it's santa, it's easy to explain: "Santa doesn't exist, it's just this story we tell..."

Not so easy when it's Jesus... Kids start questioning faith, questioning religion... doubting jesus is real... even if you some how are able to explain it in a way they understand, they will go through their whole life doubting... that's not real good for the church...

boobsrgood: TwistedFark: It's actually a well known fact that each subsequent generation is smarter than the last.

I don't get the Obama joke.

/I also don't have much of a sense of humor

I find that difficult to believe considering that my parents' generation learned Latin starting in middle school and had to get through Calculus to get a public high school diploma.

agreed... when i was in school, teachers and principals didn't cheat tests so they could make federal funding qualifications, they would fail you and if need be held you back a grade (or in one kids case 5) until you either dropped out or got it right. They didn't have to take a funding penalty for holding kids back or failing them... now a teacher can get fired for not pushing illiterate kids through the system and causing the school admin to lose their fed bonus...

BillCo: I think the confusion comes from the liberals holding him up as the Messiah.

What people of a certain political persuasion holding a person up as a messiah might look like:

NaziKamikaze: TwistedFark: It's actually a well known fact that each subsequent generation is smarter than the last.

I don't get the Obama joke.

/I also don't have much of a sense of humor

Maybe it's that incredibly imbecilic claim that all liberals believe he's the messiah?

Not all, but enough to frighten normal people.

Kinda like the imbecilic claim that all Republicans thought Palin was the messiah. Or that all conservatives hate gays and science.

CeroX: What if we replaced santa with jesus?


We have. Why give to the poor the money you've earned when you can just as easily browse QVC w/ your credit card?

CeroX: they will go through their whole life doubting..

That's when you're an adult, you read Christ's Words and decide for yourself.
I chose Christ, I believe Him at His word.
All these other things that gets dragged in are beside the point.

Down to 9%? Then there may still be hope for the nation.

But how many still think all Americans are cowboys?

Kurmudgeon: CeroX: they will go through their whole life doubting..

That's when you're an adult, you read Christ's Words and decide for yourself.
I chose Christ, I believe Him at His word.
All these other things that gets dragged in are beside the point.

Yeah, not like it's forcibly ingrained on anyone as a child or anything...

/lulz

wambu: Down to 9%? Then there may still be hope for the nation.

But how many still think all Americans are cowboys?

I don't know, but I have run into a couple that thought Mexico was in South America.

Smeggy Smurf: Study finds that kids are smartasses

Exactly.

How do people not remember doing this in high school? I can remember a half dozen or so times when my teacher would have anonymous questionnaires from some government study or think-tank for us to fill out on (usually on how much drugs and sex we were having), and every time probably half the class wrote that they had sex fifteen times a week while shooting heroin into their eyeballs.

Kids hear "anonymous study" and they think "chance to make up crap and get away with it".

Christmas is a stolen pagan holiday, as jesus is a stolen pagan god.

I think kids are just trolling idiots who give stupid surveys.

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm sorry - celebrating Christmas on Dec 25th has very little to do with Jesus.

So you and the "keep Christ in Christmas" crown have a lot in common. A ridiculous belief that anyone cares about the origins of our awesome consumer-based holiday.

For bringing us brotherly love, baptism, the rite of communion, the use of holy water, the adoration of the shepherds at our Lord's birth, the adoption of Sundays as holy days, the immortal soul, virgin birth, last judgment, and resurrection.

December 25th is your birthday, happy 3,500th birthday Mithra!

Kurmudgeon: CeroX: they will go through their whole life doubting..

That's when you're an adult, you read Christ's Words and decide for yourself.
I chose Christ, I believe Him at His word.
All these other things that gets dragged in are beside the point.

Him at His word? You do realize that nothing was written by Jesus right? It's all written by other people. So really, you are taking THEIR word for it. Not only that, but unless you've tracked down and read all the other Jesus accounts that were cut from the final draft, so by that you are also taking the Nicene Counsel's word that what they decided to publish at their word...

But i suspect this is falling on deaf eyes...

some of those that did actually know the name Jesus, thought he was born in Brentford, Essex

Well Jesus was English. (new window)

CeroX: Kurmudgeon: CeroX: they will go through their whole life doubting..

That's when you're an adult, you read Christ's Words and decide for yourself.
I chose Christ, I believe Him at His word.
All these other things that gets dragged in are beside the point.

Him at His word? You do realize that nothing was written by Jesus right? It's all written by other people. So really, you are taking THEIR word for it. Not only that, but unless you've tracked down and read all the other Jesus accounts that were cut from the final draft, so by that you are also taking the Nicene Counsel's word that what they decided to publish at their word...

But i suspect this is falling on deaf eyes...

I enjoyed it.

KiplingKat872: wambu: Down to 9%? Then there may still be hope for the nation.

But how many still think all Americans are cowboys?

I don't know, but I have run into a couple that thought Mexico was in South America.

i occasionally run into Americans who think New Mexico is part of Mexico.

SnatchTease: But i suspect this is falling on deaf eyes...

I enjoyed it.

Me too. Sounds like the start of a West Wing-ish religion rant.

SnatchTease: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 450x512]

Christmas is a stolen pagan holiday, as jesus is a stolen pagan god.

Bullshiat. Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis, depending on the myth. The most I can find is that Orisis was technically dead at the time of Horus' conception, but the Egyptians were weird that way. I don't know enough about the other mythologies, but I imagine that they are subject to the same torturous interpretations as the one I do know about. Cram that back where you got it from, your ass.

wambu: i occasionally run into Americans who think New Mexico is part of Mexico.

There's a NEW mexico?!?!?

boobsrgood:
I find that difficult to believe considering that my parents' generation learned Latin starting in middle school and had to get through Calculus to get a public high school diploma.

Learning a foreign language is pretty common starting in middle or elementary school. Usually it is something other than Latin, but Latin is a dead language anyway, and I know quite a few kids who are learning Chinese nowadays. Calculus is left as advanced placement, but I don't know very many people of any generation who took it before college.

The proof that kids are getting smarter is that IQ tests score have only gone up over time, known as the Flynn Effect (new window)

SnatchTease: It's 'makes you the asshole', farking illiterate. As for the rest of your statement, what?! You lost me at 'hurr durr'.

Okay, I'll bite...

The person's statement was correct. Statements like your previous one make you look like an asshole (in the eyes of certain christians) whereas the following statement is deemed acceptable by those same people.

I would, however, like to interject that it is actually the above-quoted statement that MAKES you look like an asshole.

Why do republicans think obama is the messiah? No one else does.

It is a very understandable mistake. Anitchrist... Christ... they are very similar.

LoneWolf343: SnatchTease: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 450x512]

Christmas is a stolen pagan holiday, as jesus is a stolen pagan god.

Bullshiat. Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis, depending on the myth. The most I can find is that Orisis was technically dead at the time of Horus' conception, but the Egyptians were weird that way. I don't know enough about the other mythologies, but I imagine that they are subject to the same torturous interpretations as the one I do know about. Cram that back where you got it from, your ass.

You belief system ain't louder than my car system. U mad bro?

chaosweaver: SnatchTease: It's 'makes you the asshole', farking illiterate. As for the rest of your statement, what?! You lost me at 'hurr durr'.

Okay, I'll bite...

The person's statement was correct. Statements like your previous one make you look like an asshole (in the eyes of certain christians) whereas the following statement is deemed acceptable by those same people.

I would, however, like to interject that it is actually the above-quoted statement that MAKES you look like an asshole.

Thanks for the compliment.

CeroX: But i suspect this is falling on deaf eyes...

I see excuses, I suppose you expected Christ to have his own typewriter? I
Problem with your logic is you can't believe anything that didn't happen in modern times.
That's gotta suck.

It's okay, subby, the other 91% will learn the truth eventually, they're just kids.

So, has anyone caught on to the fact that these "25% of kids/adults don't believe in the moon landing/can't find the US on a map/can't find the moon in the sky" studies that roll around every couple of months in order to make people shake their heads at humanity are mostly bullshiat?

Because guess what, they're mostly bullshiat.

/Actually, the "can't find the US on a map" study was a satire piece, but people ran with it anyway
/TMYK

Kurmudgeon: CeroX: But i suspect this is falling on deaf eyes...

I see excuses, I suppose you expected Christ to have his own typewriter? I
Problem with your logic is you can't believe anything that didn't happen in modern times.
That's gotta suck.

Yes. It does suck having to wait for you people to rewrite history. Story these days Hitler was an Atheist. In his time, he declared he was a devout Catholic and Christian, in every speech he ever made. Historical facts aren't helping you, so get to work.

LoneWolf343: Bullshiat. Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis, depending on the myth. The most I can find is that Orisis was technically dead at the time of Horus' conception, but the Egyptians were weird that way. I don't know enough about the other mythologies, but I imagine that they are subject to the same torturous interpretations as the one I do know about. Cram that back where you got it from, your ass.

Horus origin myth, from Wikipedia:

Horus was born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish,[6][7] and used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a gold phallus[8] to conceive her son. Once Isis knew she was pregnant with Horus, she fled to the Nile Delta marshlands to hide from her brother Set who jealously killed Osiris and who she knew would want to kill their son.[9] There Isis bore a divine son, Horus.

Looks like you don't know as much about Horus as you think you do.

SnatchTease: [lh6.googleusercontent.com image 450x512]

Christmas is a stolen pagan holiday, as jesus is a stolen pagan god.

What about Annakin Skywalker?

Denounce Santa. Jay-Z is my co-pirate.