So little has changed since Aristophanes wrote The Clouds.

That's one stereotype I just don't get. We don't expect to be bumped to "chair 5" right away. If anything, we don't even want it in the first place. We're perfectly happy starting with chair 1.

The problem is that currently we have chair 0.

And can we drop the damn name Millennial already? It's probably the worst name for a generation yet. Boomer is cool. Generation X is cool. Millennial sounds like a type of flower. Which makes sense with the stereotype FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Funny, because just yesterday I was getting this lecture from my father as we were fixing a broken window to my automobile. He said "all the kids from your generation know how to do do is biatch and whine and use stupid smart phones and expect everything to get done. What's going to happen when all of us older people are gone and dead? Sure there will be a few tradesmen left who know how to get things done, but this society is going to go to hell in a hand basket real quick."
I told him I agree. The past decade I went to school on and off to get a formal education, but I also learned from some of the best how to get things done (at least the best I can) when it comes to say, putting in a vanity or a shower (or a window).

The guy I share an office with is 25. He works harder than me.

/Still want you off my lawn.

basemetal: I prefer the term snowflake generation.

Generation gimme.

Dancin_In_Anson: basemetal: I prefer the term snowflake generation.

Generation gimme.

No, Generation Gimmie is called "Baby Boomers".

Who gives a fark what they think?

Anyway, I'm Gen X. I'm the slacker generation, asshole.

FirstNationalBastard: No, Generation Gimmie is called "Baby Boomers".

How so?

FirstNationalBastard: Dancin_In_Anson: basemetal: I prefer the term snowflake generation.

Generation gimme.

No, Generation Gimmie is called "Baby Boomers".

The boomers took, they weren't given.

Dancin_In_Anson: FirstNationalBastard: No, Generation Gimmie is called "Baby Boomers".

How so?

History.

Free love? fark you, got mine! Let's teach the kids Abstinence only!
Drugs? fark you, got mine! WAR ON DRUGS!
Money? Greed is good! fark you, got mine! Now, let's ruin the economy for everyone else.
Government backed health care, like Medicare? fark you, got mine! No universal health care for everyone else!
Good jobs? fark you, got mine! I'll die in this job before I give it up to some whippersnapper that's more qualified!

Baby Boomers are Generation Gimmie. Always have been, and will be until the last one is in the ground.

eddyatwork: Funny, I seem to remember that being said about Generation X 20 years ago.

And it will be said of the next generation, but today....we stir the pot.

Dancin_In_Anson: FirstNationalBastard: No, Generation Gimmie is called "Baby Boomers".

How so?

Heh, you're saying they're not?

Some do and some don't.

I think people with something to prove work harder to prove it.

FirstNationalBastard: Free love? fark you, got mine! Let's teach the kids Abstinence only!
Drugs? fark you, got mine! WAR ON DRUGS!


Fair nuff.

FirstNationalBastard: Government backed health care, like Medicare? fark you, got mine! No universal health care for everyone else!

Apples and oranges.

FirstNationalBastard: Good jobs? fark you, got mine! I'll die in this job before I give it up to some whippersnapper that's more qualified!

The younger has a 'right' to that job eh? Just like the 'right' to a free education and the 'right' to "free" healthcare.


Mugato: Heh, you're saying they're not?

See above.

Dancin_In_Anson: FirstNationalBastard: No, Generation Gimmie is called "Baby Boomers".

How so?

The Baby Boomers: whiny, narcissistic, self-indulgent people with a simple philosophy: "Gimme that! It's mine!" These people were given everything, everything was handed to them, and they took it all, sold it all; sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll, and they stayed loaded for twenty years and had a free ride.
---Carlin (new window)

And as far as the whole FirstNationalBastard: fark you, got mine! thing goes....I am only to assume that you want what they have...after all you have a 'right' to it.


Gimmegimmegimme.

Whining Millennials:

Most people my age came into a crap economy, terrible world politics, and no farking internet to use. You were stuck in your crap little hometown or you had to figure out a way to move, with zero or next to zero communications options. Try planning your move to your girlfriends town on 39 cents a minute phone calls made from a pay phone. They did not hand you free credit cards at age 18 then yet either, so no money.

Anyway, you can sit around b*tching how much stuff sucks, and I agree it does, but it is sucking for not the first and invariably for not the last time in history. There will be other booms. There will be opportunities. The longer you sit and whine there are none, the more you just ensure you'll miss out when/where they happen.

I realize this won't help anyone. If I read it when I was 20 or 25 it wouldn't have helped either. Another old guy yelling at a cloud. but I wish I hadn't spent 10 years in my crap hometown post college sitting around whining how much stuff sucked, being in sub-standard housing, eking out a living. I wish now I'd gone for it then. Screw the economy, make your own.

These surveys are generally heavily populated with the opinion of those no longer working and retired and who imagine they worked much harder and accomplished more back in the day than the record would reveal.

Now just to clarify, are we talking about the work ethic of Millennials who have jobs or will we also be dissing those who can't get jobs, assuming them to be lazy, unappreciative snowflakes outright? It's best to get this settled now so I know what flavor of outrage to invoke.

GAT_00: I was willing to move ANYWHERE in the country. I applied for everything I was qualified for, distance wasn't a concern.

What did Exxon say?

GAT_00: I never heard from them

I am assuming you applied. I can get you a job tripping pipe on the deck of an oil rig in Odessa. It's real work though.

I'm something of a demographic oddity here: I'm the "Generation X" (born in 1972) son of a "Greatest Generation" (WWII vet born in 1923) father. My dad hated the "Greatest Generation" shiat, and said he had no doubt that my generation, which, of course, also got similar labels of being "aimless slackers", would have risen to the challenge of fighting the war if we'd had to. As he put it: "We were just kids too."

I think a lot of older people who don't have the connection to the younger generation he did lose sight of that, and allow themselves to only know youth through their own idealized memories of what good kids they were, and distorted and simplistic media portraits of young people.

It might help if they gave them more than 2% raises a year

Millennials are primarily people born in the 1980s and early 1990s, who started coming of age around the new millennium.

All I remember about the new millennium is that goofy Y2K stuff. It wasn't that long ago.

Dancin_In_Anson: And as far as the whole FirstNationalBastard: fark you, got mine! thing goes....I am only to assume that you want what they have...after all you have a 'right' to it.

Gimmegimmegimme.

No, I think the message is that the baby boomers are entirely selfish and do not want to lend a hand to other, upcoming generations. In fact, the point is more so that the baby boomers have gutted the calf already, and there is none left for the next generation.

Oh, and by the way, it is odd how the free-loving, baby boomer generation turned into the type of people who govern us today.

Corporations FTW!