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2011-12-25 07:04:55 AM
A 24 yo with a gold Mercedes?

Approves:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2011-12-25 07:18:50 AM
I think there's shenanigans afoot.
 
2011-12-25 07:36:06 AM
FTFA
Police chief Nate Harper said two officers spotted a gun in Mr. Jones' car after they pulled him over in a gold Mercedes-Benz.


Chief Harper said officers pulled Mr. Jones over for a traffic violation but did not specify what that violation was.

DWB in a Mercedes
 
2011-12-25 07:45:59 AM
www.uaff.us
 
2011-12-25 07:59:45 AM
The officer who shot Mr. Jones and his partner have been placed on paid administrative leave pending the end of an investigation conducted with the Allegheny County District Attorney's Office.

Pittsburgh police procedure allows officers to shoot at a fleeing vehicle only when it is being used as a weapon against them or when the people inside it are using deadly force against others.


Murder someone against protocol, get a paid vacation!
 
2011-12-25 08:04:09 AM
So...why is it that everytime a cop shoots someone, all we hear about is what a nice person they were? How come nobody ever says, "Glad that guy is dead. He was a total dick."?

Am I the only person that says "good" when I hear that some people are dead?
 
2011-12-25 08:08:04 AM
Can we get a Penn tag
 
2011-12-25 08:09:19 AM
Trixie212: How come nobody ever says, "Glad that guy is dead. He was a total dick."?

Because it makes you sound like a total dick.
 
2011-12-25 08:16:20 AM
drkdstryer: Murder someone against protocol, get a paid vacation!

It's almost as if knee-jerk reactions could be potentially embarassing and terrible for morale.
 
2011-12-25 08:36:33 AM
Gotta love this country. Cops shoot you in the back 8 or 9 times, then the media drags up all your old arrests as if to say "look! he wasn't like you, he was a criminal! It's good he's gone!"
 
2011-12-25 08:42:21 AM
Trixie212: So...why is it that everytime a cop shoots someone, all we hear about is what a nice person they were? How come nobody ever says, "Glad that guy is dead. He was a total dick."?

Am I the only person that says "good" when I hear that some people are dead?


I say it all the time. I'm not a subscriber to the idea of death making a saint out of someone or if you are happy about someone's death, that it makes you no better. Sure it does. I'm not a criminal. That instantly makes me a better person.
 
2011-12-25 08:47:59 AM
Mr. Jones was fatally shot
userserve-ak.last.fm

Pass me a bottle...
 
2011-12-25 08:48:23 AM
The Blind Fury: Trixie212: How come nobody ever says, "Glad that guy is dead. He was a total dick."?

Because it makes you sound like a total dick.


I'm not saying that this particular guy deserved to die but there are some people who bring nothing but misery to everyone they meet. Why is it wrong to not be sorry they are no longer around to hurt people?

But, it seems like even those people are referred to as being "really great guys" if a cop kills them.

/not pro-cop
//just posing the question
 
2011-12-25 08:52:38 AM
Who knows what the guy was thinking. However plainclothes cops shouldn't be doing traffic violations. In fact, they shouldn't be doing much of anything.
 
2011-12-25 08:54:29 AM
People who read only the printed word without CRITICALLY THINKING about details that were left out disgust me.

Either they're idiots, or they just don't care (until it happens to them or a family member).

You can buy older Mercedes very cheaply, don't have to be a drug dealer at 24 to buy one.

And I agree with the other submitter, dragging up his criminal record that really isn't that bad in some attempt to justify shooting the guy 8 or 9 times when it sounds like he was DRIVING AWAAAAAY from the cops is disgusting and only hurts the rest of society.

Cops are getting worse and worse along with blacks rioting/going stab crazy over SHOES. Great.
 
2011-12-25 09:03:25 AM
destardi:

Cops are getting worse and worse along with blacks rioting/going stab crazy over SHOES. Great.


I wonder if the 2 are related?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-12-25 09:10:30 AM
The_Homeless_Guy

In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

The odds are very good they weren't on traffic patrol. They were on undercover cop duty, maybe looking for drugs. They saw something suspicious and used or manufactured a traffic violation to justify stopping the vehicle. Personally I think this should be illegal, but the courts have approved pretext stops and cops love to abuse that authority.
 
2011-12-25 09:21:39 AM
ZAZ: The_Homeless_Guy

In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

The odds are very good they weren't on traffic patrol. They were on undercover cop duty, maybe looking for drugs. They saw something suspicious and used or manufactured a traffic violation to justify stopping the vehicle. Personally I think this should be illegal, but the courts have approved pretext stops and cops love to abuse that authority.


Yeah, my favorite is the "obscured tag". Friend of mine got stopped on the way to rock climb, just happened to be the weekend of Bonarroo (sp?). 80+ people arrested for cannabis possession in one small county in Georgia, and more than half were pulled over for having an "obscured tag" leading to the cannabis arrest. All they need to get you for obscured tag the way the law is written in Georgia is having one of those vanity license plate frames, even if it doesn't cover *ANY* of the license plate.

$1000 fine each, sent them on their way. Pretty profitable once a year operation they've got going.
 
2011-12-25 09:43:23 AM
drjekel_mrhyde: FTFA
Police chief Nate Harper said two officers spotted a gun in Mr. Jones' car after they pulled him over in a gold Mercedes-Benz.


Chief Harper said officers pulled Mr. Jones over for a traffic violation but did not specify what that violation was.
DWB in a Mercedes


Probably.
But he was also known to police and had a court date for a legal violation scheduled.
He probably knew he shouldn't have had the gun, not only because of his upcoming legal activity but also his prior - and recent - convictions (which were of a violent nature). So it was probably illegal for him to possess or obtain a firearm. Then he attempts fleeing.
Not a bright guy, and probably dangerous.
 
2011-12-25 09:44:38 AM
ZAZ: In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

reminds me of those chain emails from ~10 years ago about not pulling over for unmarked "cop" cars .
 
2011-12-25 09:47:26 AM
ZAZ: The_Homeless_Guy

In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

The odds are very good they weren't on traffic patrol. They were on undercover cop duty, maybe looking for drugs. They saw something suspicious and used or manufactured a traffic violation to justify stopping the vehicle. Personally I think this should be illegal, but the courts have approved pretext stops and cops love to abuse that authority.


No, Pittsburgh cops have undercover cars that pull people over all the time. They have unmarked white Crown Vics, but those ones are easy to spot, they have all the extra antenna and the black cop super-bumper thing on the front. They also have a bunch of murdered-out Chargers that they pull people over with. Those ones are harder to spot.
 
2011-12-25 09:47:34 AM
Leader O'Cola: ZAZ: In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

reminds me of those chain emails from ~10 years ago about not pulling over for unmarked "cop" cars .


It's the marked ones you have to worry about.
Extortion, rape, and violent beatings, Tasings and shootings.
And they get away with it.
Kill the pigs.
 
2011-12-25 09:50:05 AM
thelordofcheese: drjekel_mrhyde: FTFA
Police chief Nate Harper said two officers spotted a gun in Mr. Jones' car after they pulled him over in a gold Mercedes-Benz.


Chief Harper said officers pulled Mr. Jones over for a traffic violation but did not specify what that violation was.
DWB in a Mercedes

Probably.
But he was also known to police and had a court date for a legal violation scheduled.
He probably knew he shouldn't have had the gun, not only because of his upcoming legal activity but also his prior - and recent - convictions (which were of a violent nature). So it was probably illegal for him to possess or obtain a firearm. Then he attempts fleeing.
Not a bright guy, and probably dangerous.


That is a shocking amount of "probably"s in your post.
 
2011-12-25 09:53:39 AM
drkdstryer: That is a shocking amount of "probably"s in your post.

It's Fark. Where TFA fails, imagination doesn't.
 
2011-12-25 09:56:05 AM
thelordofcheese:
Not a bright guy, and probably dangerous.


SHOOT HIM TO DEATH
 
2011-12-25 10:01:12 AM
Fett56: ZAZ: The_Homeless_Guy

In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

The odds are very good they weren't on traffic patrol. They were on undercover cop duty, maybe looking for drugs. They saw something suspicious and used or manufactured a traffic violation to justify stopping the vehicle. Personally I think this should be illegal, but the courts have approved pretext stops and cops love to abuse that authority.

Yeah, my favorite is the "obscured tag". Friend of mine got stopped on the way to rock climb, just happened to be the weekend of Bonarroo (sp?). 80+ people arrested for cannabis possession in one small county in Georgia, and more than half were pulled over for having an "obscured tag" leading to the cannabis arrest. All they need to get you for obscured tag the way the law is written in Georgia is having one of those vanity license plate frames, even if it doesn't cover *ANY* of the license plate.

$1000 fine each, sent them on their way. Pretty profitable once a year operation they've got going.


Not doubting the fine amount with it being Georgia and all but when I loved in NC the fine for the same offense is like 80$ IIRC. Stupid law if there ever was one. I had a rusted out plate in Michigan that they refused to reissue without a fee. So I just drove around with a barely readable plate until I got a new car & plate. But that "I'd rather be bowling" license frame is is almost a capital offense in some states.
 
2011-12-25 10:18:06 AM
They were narcotics officers.

The police were doing a traffic stop in a very bad neighborhood at a farking very bad corner. (I live about 10 blocks from there)

The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread
 
2011-12-25 10:37:01 AM
BBRModitha: They were narcotics officers.

The police were doing a traffic stop in a very bad neighborhood at a farking very bad corner. (I live about 10 blocks from there)

The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread


ZOMG KILL TEH PIGS

HERPDERP FIGHT THE POWAH

/durr.
 
2011-12-25 10:39:42 AM

This story brought out all the "he was a good person" & "he didn't mean to hurt anyone" people on WPXI's facebook page.

Amazingly, they were all of color. Yea, I said it.

The dude was told numerous times (according to witnesses) to turn off the car, drop the gun, and get out.

I bet he was just a troubled kid about to turn his life around who just enrolled in community college & was about to cut his rap album too...

BBRModitha: The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread




exactly.

Hey BBRModitha, I remember that name from somewhere... any ideas? I'm out near Pittsburgh now!

 
2011-12-25 10:55:57 AM
Fett56: ZAZ: The_Homeless_Guy

In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

The odds are very good they weren't on traffic patrol. They were on undercover cop duty, maybe looking for drugs. They saw something suspicious and used or manufactured a traffic violation to justify stopping the vehicle. Personally I think this should be illegal, but the courts have approved pretext stops and cops love to abuse that authority.

Yeah, my favorite is the "obscured tag". Friend of mine got stopped on the way to rock climb, just happened to be the weekend of Bonarroo (sp?). 80+ people arrested for cannabis possession in one small county in Georgia, and more than half were pulled over for having an "obscured tag" leading to the cannabis arrest. All they need to get you for obscured tag the way the law is written in Georgia is having one of those vanity license plate frames, even if it doesn't cover *ANY* of the license plate.

$1000 fine each, sent them on their way. Pretty profitable once a year operation they've got going.



Did you leave out the part where your friend illegally possessed weed and got caught with it purposely or was it an accident that you aren't telling us that part?

I'm all for pot and against cops but you gotta pay if you're going to pay until and unless you get the law changed.
 
2011-12-25 11:26:57 AM
jmr61: Fett56: ZAZ: The_Homeless_Guy

In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

The odds are very good they weren't on traffic patrol. They were on undercover cop duty, maybe looking for drugs. They saw something suspicious and used or manufactured a traffic violation to justify stopping the vehicle. Personally I think this should be illegal, but the courts have approved pretext stops and cops love to abuse that authority.

Yeah, my favorite is the "obscured tag". Friend of mine got stopped on the way to rock climb, just happened to be the weekend of Bonarroo (sp?). 80+ people arrested for cannabis possession in one small county in Georgia, and more than half were pulled over for having an "obscured tag" leading to the cannabis arrest. All they need to get you for obscured tag the way the law is written in Georgia is having one of those vanity license plate frames, even if it doesn't cover *ANY* of the license plate.

$1000 fine each, sent them on their way. Pretty profitable once a year operation they've got going.


Did you leave out the part where your friend illegally possessed weed and got caught with it purposely or was it an accident that you aren't telling us that part?

I'm all for pot and against cops but you gotta pay if you're going to pay until and unless you get the law changed.


I know this is a troll but you can't be serious.

Possessing pot equals no rights in your mind?

Does the constitution say "no illegal search and seizure -- unless you have weed, then it's okay"?

I think you missed a big point of my post. Yes, my friend committed a crime. But the police committed a far more serious crime, with far greater potential consequences, in order to prove that he did so. That is not their job.
 
2011-12-25 11:29:39 AM
BBRModitha: They were narcotics officers.

The police were doing a traffic stop in a very bad neighborhood at a farking very bad corner. (I live about 10 blocks from there)

The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread


Not that it's directly relevant, but it's worth mentioning that just as our poor, innocent little Thug Life was in the middle of a routine traffic stop, 30 miles south of there some other city officers along with a thousand other colleagues were saying goodbye to someone else gunned down on a routine traffic stop. No tears from self-righteous farktards for him, though.

1,000 in law enforcement pay tribute to fallen colleague

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11358/1199152-455-0.stm#ixzz1hZ3rcEtD


/Merry Christmas
//War is over.
///For him, at least.
 
2011-12-25 11:34:48 AM
destardi: And I agree with the other submitter, dragging up his criminal record that really isn't that bad in some attempt to justify shooting the guy 8 or 9 times when it sounds like he was DRIVING AWAAAAAY from the cops is disgusting and only hurts the rest of society.

Assault and false imprisonment and leaving a child in a car are not "that bad"?

Okay.

If they should leave that shiat out then they should leave out the part where his neighbor said he was a nice guy too.

Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts. Man with gun shot by police after traffic stop. We don't need to know anything else.
 
2011-12-25 11:43:58 AM
After the plainclothes cops in Pittsburgh shooting the student (I believe he was an honors student, or at least near the top of his class) just because he was black and ran from white guys with guns, well, they haven't had a good name in the area.

There aren't even that many blacks in Pittsburgh. It's pretty obvious that race is involved in this incident too.
 
2011-12-25 11:54:49 AM
Unless we have dash cam showing that the guy actually wasn't getting out of the car, co-starring increasingly freaked out cops shouting "DROP THE GUN DROP THE GUN" I am betting on summary execution.

Black kid! With gun in his lap! Who didn't pay us his cut this week! = blammo.

Pretty decent odds the cops in question were "sending a message" up the line for the precinct's payments to be more prompt in the future.
 
2011-12-25 11:58:27 AM
The Irresponsible Captain: There aren't even that many blacks in Pittsburgh. It's pretty obvious that race is involved in this incident too.

If you're going to be an ignorant troll don't be so easily disprovable by actual facts. A 2010 population of 305,704. A non-Hispanic Black or African American population of 25.8%. That's 78,872. Considering that nationwide that racial group makes up only 12.6% of the population, there are twice as many African Americans in Pittsburgh as in the country on average.

Dude, make like Avis and try harder.
 
2011-12-25 12:30:52 PM
Trixie212: The Blind Fury: Trixie212: How come nobody ever says, "Glad that guy is dead. He was a total dick."?

Because it makes you sound like a total dick.

I'm not saying that this particular guy deserved to die but there are some people who bring nothing but misery to everyone they meet. Why is it wrong to not be sorry they are no longer around to hurt people?

But, it seems like even those people are referred to as being "really great guys" if a cop kills them.

/not pro-cop
//just posing the question


I think it's because they usually talk to friends of the deceased, not the enemies. and friends are always going to try and remember the positive things.
 
2011-12-25 01:28:45 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: FTFA
Police chief Nate Harper said two officers spotted a gun in Mr. Jones' car after they pulled him over in a gold Mercedes-Benz.


Chief Harper said officers pulled Mr. Jones over for a traffic violation but did not specify what that violation was.
DWB in a Mercedes


Chief Harper is Black.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11264/1176302-53-0.stm?cmpid=localstat e .xml
 
2011-12-25 01:30:33 PM
Fett56: Gotta love this country. Cops shoot you in the back 8 or 9 times...


To have hit him 8 or 9 times the cops must have fired about 60 times.
 
2011-12-25 01:31:53 PM
drkdstryer: ZAZ: The_Homeless_Guy

In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

The odds are very good they weren't on traffic patrol. They were on undercover cop duty, maybe looking for drugs. They saw something suspicious and used or manufactured a traffic violation to justify stopping the vehicle. Personally I think this should be illegal, but the courts have approved pretext stops and cops love to abuse that authority.

No, Pittsburgh cops have undercover cars that pull people over all the time. They have unmarked white Crown Vics, but those ones are easy to spot, they have all the extra antenna and the black cop super-bumper thing on the front. They also have a bunch of murdered-out Chargers that they pull people over with. Those ones are harder to spot.


Most Pittsburgh UC cars are Impalas.
 
2011-12-25 01:38:30 PM
vegasj: This story brought out all the "he was a good person" & "he didn't mean to hurt anyone" people on WPXI's facebook page.

Amazingly, they were all of color. Yea, I said it.

The dude was told numerous times (according to witnesses) to turn off the car, drop the gun, and get out.

I bet he was just a troubled kid about to turn his life around who just enrolled in community college & was about to cut his rap album too...

BBRModitha: The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread



exactly.

Hey BBRModitha, I remember that name from somewhere... any ideas? I'm out near Pittsburgh now!


What the fark does the "they were all of color" even mean? The... people who knew this guy and could comment in him were black? OH NO HE MUST BE GUILTY
 
2011-12-25 01:40:14 PM
markb289: drkdstryer: ZAZ: The_Homeless_Guy

In a few states police on traffic duty are required to be in uniform and/or in a marked car.

The odds are very good they weren't on traffic patrol. They were on undercover cop duty, maybe looking for drugs. They saw something suspicious and used or manufactured a traffic violation to justify stopping the vehicle. Personally I think this should be illegal, but the courts have approved pretext stops and cops love to abuse that authority.

No, Pittsburgh cops have undercover cars that pull people over all the time. They have unmarked white Crown Vics, but those ones are easy to spot, they have all the extra antenna and the black cop super-bumper thing on the front. They also have a bunch of murdered-out Chargers that they pull people over with. Those ones are harder to spot.

Most Pittsburgh UC cars are Impalas.


Oh, I'm not a car person at all. I thought that model was a Crown Vic because I thought most cop cars were.

They're still unmarked and they still make traffic stops, is the point.
 
2011-12-25 01:46:23 PM
BBRModitha: They were narcotics officers.

The police were doing a traffic stop in a very bad neighborhood at a farking very bad corner. (I live about 10 blocks from there)

The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread


I would really hesitate to call the North Side a REALLY bad part of town, I'd save that for Homestead. I've never had a problem in the North Side, although admittedly I don't have cause to stray too far from Perry Highway or Allegheny Center. That said, if he had a brick that's bad farking news - where did you hear this? And where exactly was this?
 
2011-12-25 02:16:17 PM
drkdstryer: BBRModitha: They were narcotics officers.

The police were doing a traffic stop in a very bad neighborhood at a farking very bad corner. (I live about 10 blocks from there)

The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread

I would really hesitate to call the North Side a REALLY bad part of town, I'd save that for Homestead. I've never had a problem in the North Side, although admittedly I don't have cause to stray too far from Perry Highway or Allegheny Center. That said, if he had a brick that's bad farking news - where did you hear this? And where exactly was this?


This stuff goes down here in Zelienople all the time. On BOTH streets.

/not really
//go Stillers
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-12-25 02:17:25 PM
drkdstryer

Are these unmarked cars doing routine traffic patrol, or are they anticrime units doing a lot of pretext stops to see what they find? Are the officers inside in uniform?

In Massachusetts there is little wholly unmarked traffic enforcement. State police often use low profile cars with a uniformed officer inside.
 
2011-12-25 02:23:53 PM
ZAZ: drkdstryer

Are these unmarked cars doing routine traffic patrol, or are they anticrime units doing a lot of pretext stops to see what they find? Are the officers inside in uniform?

In Massachusetts there is little wholly unmarked traffic enforcement. State police often use low profile cars with a uniformed officer inside.


The unmarked-but-easy-to-spot Impalas have uniformed cops in them. I have been pulled over for speeding by them, they patrol.

The blacked out Chargers I have no idea - never been pulled over by them. I have seen them on the side of the road with their LED lights in the tinted windows flashing, but since they're tinted I dunno if they are in uniform or not. I don't know why they pulled the cars over that I saw, it's certainly possible that it has nothing to do with moving violations.
 
2011-12-25 02:38:30 PM
drkdstryer: thelordofcheese: drjekel_mrhyde: FTFA
Police chief Nate Harper said two officers spotted a gun in Mr. Jones' car after they pulled him over in a gold Mercedes-Benz.


Chief Harper said officers pulled Mr. Jones over for a traffic violation but did not specify what that violation was.
DWB in a Mercedes

Probably.
But he was also known to police and had a court date for a legal violation scheduled.
He probably knew he shouldn't have had the gun, not only because of his upcoming legal activity but also his prior - and recent - convictions (which were of a violent nature). So it was probably illegal for him to possess or obtain a firearm. Then he attempts fleeing.
Not a bright guy, and probably dangerous.

That is a shocking amount of "probably"s in your post.


I've probably run across this guy before, too.
/city's not that big
 
2011-12-25 02:43:54 PM
The only reason to run from the police is if you want to die tired. You won't get away from them, and they will shoot you dead while you try.

Maybe he should have kept his gun in his glovebox and not taken it out when he got pulled over. Or you know, as a violent offender, maybe he shouldn't have had a gun at all.
 
2011-12-25 02:45:20 PM
BBRModitha: They were narcotics officers.

The police were doing a traffic stop in a very bad neighborhood at a farking very bad corner. (I live about 10 blocks from there)

The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread


And there we have it. Known individual, prior convictions including illegal violent behavior, upcoming court date, gun, flees, drug possession... I used to live on the slopes and that was bad enough for me. Way too close to the clubs and the rabble they attract. I got offered cocaine one night... in front of the court-order drug rehab center. But, at least it's not North Side.
 
2011-12-25 02:46:18 PM
TheHappyCanadian: BBRModitha: They were narcotics officers.

The police were doing a traffic stop in a very bad neighborhood at a farking very bad corner. (I live about 10 blocks from there)

The guy didn't listen to turn off and get out the vehicle. He had a gun out on his lap and a brick of heroin in the glove compartment.

/end thread

ZOMG KILL TEH PIGS

HERPDERP FIGHT THE POWAH

/durr.


Just because they killed a bad guy doesn't mean that they're the good guys.

HERPDERP LICK SUM BOOTZ

/durr
 
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