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(PhysOrg.com) Obvious The big tech trend for 2012 is going to be analytics, analyzing the mounds of personal info they've collected about you to make you buy more stuff you don't need. Merry Christmas   (physorg.com) divider line 40
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2011-12-25 09:49:53 AM
Just buy things you really need, and always ask yourself what you're willing to give up in exchange.
 
2011-12-25 10:14:51 AM
Overthinking at its worst, It's not that complicated:

We all like porn.
 
2011-12-25 11:05:52 AM
And none of you shiatheads have seen the endgame here? I wish you all a giant fark yourself.
 
2011-12-25 11:07:11 AM
Tulip bulbs are going to farking kill your dumb ass.
 
2011-12-25 11:12:33 AM
I'm poor so I hardly buy anything.

I'm also relatively money conscious (not a Scrooge, nor an investor level savvy, just don't like to spend money nilly willy...)
 
2011-12-25 11:13:20 AM
The Obama is King, Total Fark brigade will defend anything Google, but this is their doing. fark all of you.
 
2011-12-25 11:17:52 AM
Phil Moskowitz: And none of you shiatheads have seen the endgame here? I wish you all a giant fark yourself.

I've always appreciated the lottery aspect of business. I find it amusing that some farkers think that they can remove that aspect.

Puppets!
 
2011-12-25 11:24:39 AM
How much do you have to suck to have an ad "make you" buy something? I don't care how tailored the ads are, have some self control.
 
2011-12-25 11:29:00 AM
the problem with their data and the Endgame Phil Moskowitz talks about is that it's going to be used for more than "selling you stuff".

It's gonna be almost like Minority Report, where they analyze your online activity and if a "dangerous" pattern emerges, well, nice to know you.

Problem like I said, is that they're going to take seriously what most people don't post seriously. We use a lot of sarcasm, double entendres and funny comments we don't really believe. Like "Obama is a secret jihadist".

That, along with SOPA, it's going to turn the Internet into a Demolition Man's San Angeles version of itself. A sanitized place full of dweebs.
 
2011-12-25 11:30:27 AM
I can't say I've ever bought anything based on "analytics" based marketing. I buy what I like or need and can afford.

Like once I posted on Facebook that I like bicycling, and occasionally I see a bicycling-related ad. So what? It was nothing I needed or wanted, so I didn't buy anything.

All that information the net has collected on me is worthless, maybe they'll figure that out by 2013.
 
2011-12-25 11:31:01 AM
How is this a new trend? It's been going on for while.
 
2011-12-25 11:51:04 AM
simplicimus: How is this a new trend? It's been going on for while.

Because the companies that do analysis have realized that "analysis" is the new buzzword for businesses. Ownership is totally gullible to stuff like that, they're worse than teen girls.
 
2011-12-25 12:10:08 PM
LasersHurt: How much do you have to suck to have an ad "make you" buy something? I don't care how tailored the ads are, have some self control.

Advertising has had children kill each other for their shoes.

Advertising has thousands of people destroy their lives with debt every year.
 
2011-12-25 12:13:07 PM
rocky_howard: We use a lot of sarcasm, double entendres and funny comments we don't really believe. Like "Obama is a secret jihadist".

As opposed to the people who declared a jihad on drugs, jihad on terror, right?

/oh, in American English we call it a "war", but it's the same thing
 
2011-12-25 12:40:42 PM
Phil Moskowitz: And none of you shiatheads have seen the endgame here? I wish you all a giant fark yourself.

What?
You mean where none of us has any money and are starving and the 0.001%ers have all the wealth and canned ham?

Yeah, yeah. So the capitalists won.
Next year, we eat them for Christmas.

/Fifty dollar gift card for Amazon, bought eight books for Kindle, including a couple of .99-centers (One was Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, all six volumes, was ninety-five cents for Kindle. oh yeah.)
 
2011-12-25 12:46:22 PM
Mister Peejay: LasersHurt: How much do you have to suck to have an ad "make you" buy something? I don't care how tailored the ads are, have some self control.

Advertising has had children kill each other for their shoes.

Advertising has thousands of people destroy their lives with debt every year.


Bullshiat.
 
2011-12-25 01:11:44 PM
Of course even good data in the hands of your average marketing group is pretty much worthless.

scrat.hellocotton.com
 
2011-12-25 01:25:21 PM
LarryDan43: Of course even good data in the hands of your average marketing group is pretty much worthless.

[scrat.hellocotton.com image 243x165]


Heh. User experience designers can put analytics to very good use though in designing a website for high conversion rates and general enjoyment though. Pure advertisement marketers will always remain 80% dufuses, 19% okay and 1% brilliant though.
/Maybe less than 1% given the amount of ads that are made, but some good ones exist
//See: Super Bowl ads, which amazingly people claim to like even though much of them usually suck
 
2011-12-25 01:34:15 PM
HotIgneous Intruder: Phil Moskowitz: And none of you shiatheads have seen the endgame here? I wish you all a giant fark yourself.

What?
You mean where none of us has any money and are starving and the 0.001%ers have all the wealth and canned ham?

Yeah, yeah. So the capitalists won.
Next year, we eat them for Christmas.

/Fifty dollar gift card for Amazon, bought eight books for Kindle, including a couple of .99-centers (One was Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, all six volumes, was ninety-five cents for Kindle. oh yeah.)


That's pretty cool, will probably get that for the flight home.
 
2011-12-25 01:40:21 PM
Ass Exploder: I can't say I've ever bought anything based on "analytics" based marketing. I buy what I like or need and can afford.

But you've still only ever bought things that you've heard of.

www.portlandmercury.com

Seriously though, even if you never respond to actual advertisements, you're still only buying things that you learned about (and are able to access) through channels mostly not created by you. There could be tons of products--especially things like books, music, movies, and websites--that you would like even better than what you're getting, but you simply have no idea they exist.

This happens all the time, on so many different levels--from the people who only by the Apple version of something because they never knew the others existed, to the mediocre process adopted within a large business because upper management wasn't aware that a different division had already been doing the same thing in a superior way. There's just too much shiat out there for anyone to be aware of everything.

This is bad in a lot of ways, but even with all the Google/Facebook shiat, I still say we as consumers are better off today than we were 20 years ago. If you still want to be limited to what you can find in local circulars and the PennySaver, be my guest. Nobody has to collect information on you (although they still were back then anyway, just not as easily).
 
2011-12-25 02:19:06 PM
Yankees Team Gynecologist: This is bad in a lot of ways, but even with all the Google/Facebook shiat, I still say we as consumers are better off today than we were 20 years ago.

I would agree. Now people can scan a barcode in the the store and price compare without doing any real work. People can pop a quick question on their Facebook profile before making a large purchase (like an appliance) and get feedback from the 100-200 people in their vast friend lists. Some of whom might actually know a thing or two about the subject in great detail. Hell, in the case of appliances I sometimes find myself on a random forum for repairmen and I can see what they say about longevity of a particular line.
 
2011-12-25 02:58:07 PM
LasersHurt: How much do you have to suck to have an ad "make you" buy something? I don't care how tailored the ads are, have some self control.

It's not that they make you buy things. Marketing is a subtle art of association. Well-crafted marketing doesn't suddenly turn you into a true believer, it just alters your behavior such that you evoke a certain brand name when contemplating a product. There's a preponderance of evidence that behavior really does change through nothing more sinister than brand exposure. Doctors were prescribing drugs for which they possessed paraphernalia (pens, pads, hats, etc.) at a 3-1 ratio over alternatives, and that's with minimal exposure. Your brain actually responds differently to visual and auditory stimuli surrounding a product you've previously seen advertising for to one you've not. And some of it can be very subtle. Disney gives away scads of preemie diapers, receiving blankets, stocking caps, and the like to pediatric departments, so that the first two things your baby sees upon birth are mama and Disney-branded products.

Human beings are pattern recognition machines, not impartial arbiters of intrinsic truth and value. This makes us susceptible to manipulation by those very patterns we're hard-wired to recognize, and then to alternately avoid or appreciate. Ignoring this factor is just another form of willful blindness, just like believing that what the pitchman says is true.
 
2011-12-25 03:53:18 PM
simplicimus: How is this a new trend? It's been going on for while.

Yep, it's been a major trend for over fifteen years. Now it's getting more of a push because this is about one industry selling snakeoil to another industry, not about selling products to consumers.

The Big Brother version of this is old news, and we don't have the tech yet (or, at least, if we do, it's classified) to make new and magical things happen with it. So this is just business BS, not even advertising BS.

You can all relax, for now.
 
2011-12-25 04:42:51 PM
I work in analytics, so I'm really getting a kick.

/Got moved into BI about 3 years ago, and it's picked up ridiculously since then. Analyzing everything from the shipping performance of suppliers, how much overtime departments are doing, how long servers stay up, and how well the SMT lines are running.
 
2011-12-25 06:39:51 PM
lordargent: I work in analytics, so I'm really getting a kick.

/Got moved into BI about 3 years ago, and it's picked up ridiculously since then. Analyzing everything from the shipping performance of suppliers, how much overtime departments are doing, how long servers stay up, and how well the SMT lines are running.


Out of curiosity, what were you doing before that? I hear BI and I think databases.....

/DB developer
 
2011-12-25 08:19:57 PM
whither_apophis: simplicimus: How is this a new trend? It's been going on for while.

Because the companies that do analysis have realized that "analysis" is the new buzzword for businesses. Ownership is totally gullible to stuff like that, they're worse than teen girls.


This.

There's a new favorite buzzword every year.
 
2011-12-25 09:05:22 PM
I have found that most sales people have no clue what sells and what does not, but they will use it as an excuse to pry into every aspect of your life in the hopes that they might sell a couple of more widgets.
 
2011-12-25 09:10:55 PM
Keep consuming, keep buying

It pays for my bills since I'm one of the people running the joint that processes these numbers and info.
 
2011-12-25 10:33:14 PM
Mister Peejay: LasersHurt: How much do you have to suck to have an ad "make you" buy something? I don't care how tailored the ads are, have some self control.

Advertising has had children kill each other for their shoes.

Advertising has thousands of people destroy their lives with debt every year.


Don't attribute to advertising what can easily be explained by stupidity.
 
2011-12-25 11:39:19 PM
mavexe: lordargent: I work in analytics, so I'm really getting a kick.

/Got moved into BI about 3 years ago, and it's picked up ridiculously since then. Analyzing everything from the shipping performance of suppliers, how much overtime departments are doing, how long servers stay up, and how well the SMT lines are running.

Out of curiosity, what were you doing before that? I hear BI and I think databases.....

/DB developer


I'm not the guy you asked, but I got into BI about 3 years ago too. I started working for a consulting firm that did some BI work, custom .NET development, and SharePoint integration 5 years ago. Not too long after I hired in the company started moving toward BI only and as of 3 years ago that's all they do now.

Pretty much everybody still around from the 'original' crew when we went full BI were previous .NET developers that had heavy backgrounds in working with relational databases to support their apps. Only one was previously a DBA, but he had a lot of BI experience by the time we picked him up. He was more of an architect than anything else, mentoring the rest of us.
 
2011-12-25 11:52:02 PM
mavexe: lordargent: I work in analytics, so I'm really getting a kick.

/Got moved into BI about 3 years ago, and it's picked up ridiculously since then. Analyzing everything from the shipping performance of suppliers, how much overtime departments are doing, how long servers stay up, and how well the SMT lines are running.

Out of curiosity, what were you doing before that? I hear BI and I think databases.....

/DB developer


Before that, a java programmer (mostly working on properitary APIs) and before that, a perl web apps guy.

BI is analyzing all of that data that's in DBs.
 
2011-12-26 01:28:13 AM
My Bayesian Model Average Calibrating Forecast tells me old news is old
 
2011-12-26 03:32:59 AM
lordargent: I work in analytics, so I'm really getting a kick.

/Got moved into BI about 3 years ago, and it's picked up ridiculously since then. Analyzing everything from the shipping performance of suppliers, how much overtime departments are doing, how long servers stay up, and how well the SMT lines are running.


Do you use SAS to analyze data? Analystics, BI....jargon I hear incessantly at Global Forum.
 
2011-12-26 04:33:44 AM
"My Bayesian Model Average Calibrating Forecast tells me old news is old"

I laughed. I, for one, am outraged that people are trying to find patterns in data.
 
2011-12-26 04:44:07 AM
HotIgneous Intruder: Phil Moskowitz: And none of you shiatheads have seen the endgame here? I wish you all a giant fark yourself.

What?
You mean where none of us has any money and are starving and the 0.001%ers have all the wealth and canned ham?

Yeah, yeah. So the capitalists won.
Next year, we eat them for Christmas.

/Fifty dollar gift card for Amazon, bought eight books for Kindle, including a couple of .99-centers (One was Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, all six volumes, was ninety-five cents for Kindle. oh yeah.)


The capitalists didn't win anything, shiathead. They sabotaged their own revenue stream by killing the host. The parasite can't live rent free without the host. Marginal aggregate monetary utility needs to be maintained so that the filth can live. Outside of that algorithm your shiat falls apart.

Savvy?
 
2011-12-26 08:32:48 AM
I still fail to see how being shown ads for things you might be interested in based on your online activity is worse than being shown ads for things you probably have no interest in. If the net effect of all this is I get ads for computer parts instead of ads for pantyhose, then excuse me if I pass on the outrage
 
2011-12-26 10:16:04 AM
redpanda2: I still fail to see how being shown ads for things you might be interested in based on your online activity is worse than being shown ads for things you probably have no interest in. If the net effect of all this is I get ads for computer parts instead of ads for pantyhose, then excuse me if I pass on the outrage

I have always enjoyed knowing what the masses are probably purchasing. This makes it more difficult.
 
2011-12-26 06:26:22 PM
You're all like 19, aren't you?
 
2011-12-27 02:05:53 AM
redpanda2: I still fail to see how being shown ads for things you might be interested in based on your online activity is worse than being shown ads for things you probably have no interest in. If the net effect of all this is I get ads for computer parts instead of ads for pantyhose, then excuse me if I pass on the outrage

If you are still seeing any ads on the Internet, you're kind of a dummy.
 
2011-12-27 01:27:00 PM
lordargent: mavexe: lordargent: I work in analytics, so I'm really getting a kick.

/Got moved into BI about 3 years ago, and it's picked up ridiculously since then. Analyzing everything from the shipping performance of suppliers, how much overtime departments are doing, how long servers stay up, and how well the SMT lines are running.

Out of curiosity, what were you doing before that? I hear BI and I think databases.....

/DB developer

Before that, a java programmer (mostly working on properitary APIs) and before that, a perl web apps guy.

BI is analyzing all of that data that's in DBs.


Thank you for being the few people in this thread who apparently realize that analytics != target marketing. We're living in a time where we're accumulating staggering amounts of data on everything (and the rate is increasing), we might as well learn something from it.
 
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