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detroitdoesntsuckthatbad
2011-12-25 08:38:53 AM
If I were a Colts fan I would be against what a competition like this Stanford.

/got nuthin
 
Fallout Zone
2011-12-25 08:45:14 AM
So the Vikes screw themselves over by winning, and lose Peterson to a torn ACL and MCL. Par for the course for the most tortured franchise in pro sports.
 
CavalierEternal [TotalFark]
2011-12-25 08:53:22 AM
Fallout Zone: So the Vikes screw themselves over by winning, and lose Peterson to a torn ACL and MCL. Par for the course for the most tortured franchise in pro sports.

...I'm sorry, what?

/Cleveland fan
 
largedon
2011-12-25 08:57:29 AM
Kind of hoping my Rams can land that first pick and trade it for a crap load of picks. Pretty sure Kronke (owner) will be the only person left standing after the season and cash crop of high draft picks would go a long way to helping the new front office and coaching staff turn this team around.

/Honestly, it couldn't get much worse.
 
Harv72b [TotalFark]
2011-12-25 08:59:38 AM
CavalierEternal: Fallout Zone: So the Vikes screw themselves over by winning, and lose Peterson to a torn ACL and MCL. Par for the course for the most tortured franchise in pro sports.

...I'm sorry, what?

/Cleveland fan

The Chicago Cubs would like a word with both of you.
 
UNC_Samurai
2011-12-25 09:05:42 AM
Harv72b: CavalierEternal: Fallout Zone: So the Vikes screw themselves over by winning, and lose Peterson to a torn ACL and MCL. Par for the course for the most tortured franchise in pro sports.

...I'm sorry, what?

/Cleveland fan

The Chicago Cubs would like a word with both of you.

The Cubs may be the most despondent franchise, you HAVE to give Cleveland the nod for most tortured sports city. They are a sadness-industrial complex.
 
CavalierEternal [TotalFark]
2011-12-25 09:06:40 AM
Harv72b: CavalierEternal: Fallout Zone: So the Vikes screw themselves over by winning, and lose Peterson to a torn ACL and MCL. Par for the course for the most tortured franchise in pro sports.

...I'm sorry, what?

/Cleveland fan

The Chicago Cubs would like a word with both of you.

Cubs fans have other teams to look forward to when their team's season is over.

Know what we have to look forward to at the end of baseball season? The f*cking Browns.

After that? The goddamn Cavs.
 
expobill
2011-12-25 09:13:56 AM
And he thought the colts' luck was running out of choices.
 
Fallout Zone
2011-12-25 09:25:33 AM
Cleveland may beat Minneapolis overall thanks to the Twins winning two World Series a couple of decades ago, but the Vikings trounce the Browns and any other comers. I'm not talking forever ineptitude like the Cubs or Lions, but rather tear-your-heart-out torturous losses regularly. 0-4 in Super Bowls and 0-5 in NFC Championship games since.

- Darren Nelson's drop in the final seconds against the Redskins in the NFC Championship Game which would have tied it up. The NFC was pretty much guaranteed to win the SB that year.

- Gary Anderson's miss, Dennis Green's knee, the dropped interception in the end zone, and any other number of things that contributed to the '98 loss to Atlanta

- With the devastating '98 loss still in our minds, the Giants running out to a 14-0 lead with the Vikings offense note even taking the field in an absurd, demoralizing blowout in '00.

- Favre in '09. Enough said.

And that is just the Championship games, not the Super Bowls or the numerous other debacles (Love Boat, Herschel Walker trade, Moss antics). And this is all while your main rival just racks up SB victories and the good will of everyone (at least the league hates Pitt, the slobbering over the Packers is just vomit-inducing).
 
TheOther
2011-12-25 09:42:31 AM
largedon: Kind of hoping my Rams can land that first pick and trade it Bradford for a crap load of picks.

Luck would be an upgrade over Bradford.

See the Herschel Walker Trade as your dreamgoal.
 
CavalierEternal [TotalFark]
2011-12-25 09:56:05 AM
Fallout Zone: Cleveland may beat Minneapolis overall thanks to the Twins winning two World Series a couple of decades ago, but the Vikings trounce the Browns and any other comers. I'm not talking forever ineptitude like the Cubs or Lions, but rather tear-your-heart-out torturous losses regularly. 0-4 in Super Bowls and 0-5 in NFC Championship games since.

- Darren Nelson's drop in the final seconds against the Redskins in the NFC Championship Game which would have tied it up. The NFC was pretty much guaranteed to win the SB that year.

- Gary Anderson's miss, Dennis Green's knee, the dropped interception in the end zone, and any other number of things that contributed to the '98 loss to Atlanta

- With the devastating '98 loss still in our minds, the Giants running out to a 14-0 lead with the Vikings offense note even taking the field in an absurd, demoralizing blowout in '00.

- Favre in '09. Enough said.

And that is just the Championship games, not the Super Bowls or the numerous other debacles (Love Boat, Herschel Walker trade, Moss antics). And this is all while your main rival just racks up SB victories and the good will of everyone (at least the league hates Pitt, the slobbering over the Packers is just vomit-inducing).

No Super Bowl appearances.

Red Right 88

The Drive

The Fumble

Art Modell

Seriously, don't even try.
 
Harv72b [TotalFark]
2011-12-25 09:58:51 AM
UNC_Samurai: The Cubs may be the most despondent franchise, you HAVE to give Cleveland the nod for most tortured sports city. They are a sadness-industrial complex.

I can go along with that. Although Cleveland does have the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Drew Carey.
 
natural316
2011-12-25 10:06:12 AM
detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: If I were a Colts fan I would be against what a competition like this Stanford.

/got nuthin

Yeah it shows, this line makes ZERO sense
 
Fallout Zone
2011-12-25 10:10:52 AM
CavalierEternal

No Super Bowl appearances.

Red Right 88

The Drive

The Fumble

Art Modell

Seriously, don't even try.

I don't really have to try. The only place where the Browns are worse off than the Vikings is the Modell-induced hiatus. At least that got you guys a new stadium (one where the roof doesn't cave in, in fact). If the Vikes go to LA, do you really think that Minnesota will have a team in the next decade?

Browns 0-5 in AFC championship games. Vikings can match that since the late 70s, and have 4 Super Bowls losses to trump it. And Pro Football Reference tells me that the Browns have 8 (congrats!) Championships. Vikings? 0.
 
The Bestest
2011-12-25 10:17:30 AM
Fallout Zone: Browns 0-5 in AFC championship games. Vikings can match that since the late 70s, and have 4 Super Bowls losses to trump it. And Pro Football Reference tells me that the Browns have 8 (congrats!) Championships. Vikings? 0.

8 championships that predate the Super Bowl. The Browns are one of four teams (Lions, Texans, Jaguars) that have never even BEEN to the Super Bowl.
 
myinternetname
2011-12-25 10:19:04 AM
The Colts are not interested in Luck. They are 100% behind Peyton Manning coming back and playing 5 more years.


*snicker*
 
Sargun
2011-12-25 10:46:01 AM
Going to and then losing the Super Bowl once is an achievement. Doing it four times is torture.
 
The Bestest
2011-12-25 10:53:11 AM
Sargun: Going to and then losing the Super Bowl once is an achievement. Doing it four times is torture.

How about doing it 4 times.. in a row?
 
detroitdoesntsuckthatbad
2011-12-25 10:58:13 AM
natural316: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: If I were a Colts fan I would be against what a competition like this Stanford.

/got nuthin

Yeah it shows, this line makes ZERO sense

Stanford = stands for

/at least it sounds like that in my head
 
Kurmudgeon
2011-12-25 11:02:23 AM
"The Browns have won a total of eight league championships. They won all four AAFC titles (including a 15-0 undefeated season in 1948), and after joining the NFL won four additional championships prior to the league's merger with the American Football League (AFL) in 1970."

So quit whining.
 
The Bestest
2011-12-25 11:10:32 AM
I honestly don't have a dog in this funny little spat, but unless the parties involved are in their 50s or older, I think it's silly counting anything before Super Bowl I.
 
Lost Thought 00
2011-12-25 11:10:43 AM
Kurmudgeon: "The Browns have won a total of eight league championships. They won all four AAFC titles (including a 15-0 undefeated season in 1948), and after joining the NFL won four additional championships prior to the league's merger with the American Football League (AFL) in 1970."

So quit whining.

If that is valid, then perhaps you should be counting the Lakers titles in your favor
 
coolio mack
2011-12-25 11:23:39 AM
Kurmudgeon: "The Browns have won a total of eight league championships. They won all four AAFC titles (including a 15-0 undefeated season in 1948), and after joining the NFL won four additional championships prior to the league's merger with the American Football League (AFL) in 1970."

So quit whining.

Yeah I don't get the Cleveland tortured city act. I live in San Diego and the 1963 AFL championship is the last one we can claim.

- largest city without a modern sports title.
- longest drought for a city with at least 2 pro franchises

Ryan 'Don't talk to me' Leaf.

Many here feel like the Chargers blew their best shot, especially the year when they went 14-2 and lost to NE and LT cried about how they can't do another mans dance.

And if you want to go the superstar route, Adrian Gonzalez arguably meant more to San Diego than LeBron did to Cleveland.
 
Ken VeryBigLiar
2011-12-25 11:32:43 AM
Kurmudgeon: "The Browns have won a total of eight league championships. They won all four AAFC titles (including a 15-0 undefeated season in 1948), and after joining the NFL won four additional championships prior to the league's merger with the American Football League (AFL) in 1970."

So quit whining.

I can tell you Packer and Bear fans only count pre-merger titles in prick waving contest between their fanbases (or when Packer fans want to feel better about themselves against the Steelers). As Raider fans and Chief fans aren't spouting off about AFL titles, both Browns fans aren't exactly crowing about their titles from the LBJ Administration.

As for the Browns/Vikes debate- the Vikes have at least been to the Super Bowl and been close in the past 15 years. Cleveland only has a one good playoff run in the early to mid 80's, one-and-done game with Pittsburgh and a 10-win non playoff season to hang their hat on in the past 30 years.
 
mariner314
2011-12-25 12:39:30 PM
The Bestest: Sargun: Going to and then losing the Super Bowl once is an achievement. Doing it four times is torture.

How about doing it 4 times.. in a row?

Ooh ooh ooh pick me pick me!!!!! I know the answer!!!!
 
GarbageDay
2011-12-25 12:48:26 PM
Browns fans of the 80s: you know it's true to constantly and consistently suck and never contend than to contend all the time and never make it.

You had the late 80s. Vikings fans have the 60s-70s and at least once a decade since.

Before the Interception, I would've agreed with you. The Vikes have taken over as the most snakebit franchise.

/Vikes fan
//Most conference championship appearances without winning a Super Bowl
///It ain't fun
 
VvonderJesus
2011-12-25 12:48:58 PM
Has it really devolved into an argument of who is more tortured?

Sigh.
 
GarbageDay
2011-12-25 12:50:10 PM
GarbageDay: Browns fans of the 80s: you know it's true to constantly and consistently suck and never contend than to contend all the time and never make it.

Bah, worse. "You know it's worse", not true
 
Kurmudgeon
2011-12-25 01:06:10 PM
Lost Thought 00: If that is valid, then perhaps you should be counting the Lakers titles in your favor

It's valid, however, I'm not from Minnesota so it wouldn't be in my "favor" .
It probably bites to see the Lakers win all those trophies out west though.
I'm pretty much a March Madness fan only when it comes to basketball.
 
RoyFokker'sGhost
2011-12-25 01:42:44 PM
largedon: Kind of hoping my Rams can land that first pick and trade it for a crap load of picks. Pretty sure Kronke (owner) will be the only person left standing after the season and cash crop of high draft picks would go a long way to helping the new front office and coaching staff turn this team around.

/Honestly, it couldn't get much worse.


Well, I'm rather sure my Niners would love to help you with a loss next week to achieve that goal

Seriously, it's a win/win situation for both teams. Niners win and clinch a first round bye. Rams loose and they're back in the hunt for Luck. Plus, if the Rams just dial it in, it'd be like *two* bye weeks for the Niners. So....


onochie.files.wordpress.com


come on.....
 
Intoxoman
2011-12-25 03:08:05 PM
When the Vikings move to LA and then win a Superbowl as the LA (insert new name) "whatevers" then Minnesota might have a claim, until then I would say Browns are more snakebit. Fark you Modell and fark the Ravens.

/not even a big Cleveland fan
//saw my first NFL game in Cleveland
///got arrested at that game but had a great time
 
Henry Holland
2011-12-25 03:23:40 PM
Intoxoman: When the Vikings move to LA

Not gonna happen. We're getting the Spanos Goofs and their Chargers, who of course started life as the LA Chargers.

/At least that's how I hope it plays out
//Rivers over whoever takes snaps for the Vikings
///Peterson is probably done as an elite back
////Slashies!
 
davidphogan
2011-12-25 03:43:00 PM
Henry Holland: Not gonna happen. We're getting the Spanos Goofs and their Chargers, who of course started life as the LA Chargers.

I kind of doubt it. San Diego is doing their little dance around "oh, we're not sure we want to build a stadium here", but they will. If Ralph Wilson dies in the next 5 years, it'll be the LA Bills. His kids have made it pretty clear they can't afford the inheritance tax, and the stadium group wants 40% ownership. Spanos won't give up 40% of the team, but Wilson's kids will happily do so to pay the taxes on whatever part they can afford to hold onto.
 
Ken VeryBigLiar
2011-12-25 03:51:11 PM
davidphogan: Henry Holland: Not gonna happen. We're getting the Spanos Goofs and their Chargers, who of course started life as the LA Chargers.

I kind of doubt it. San Diego is doing their little dance around "oh, we're not sure we want to build a stadium here", but they will. If Ralph Wilson dies in the next 5 years, it'll be the LA Bills. His kids have made it pretty clear they can't afford the inheritance tax, and the stadium group wants 40% ownership. Spanos won't give up 40% of the team, but Wilson's kids will happily do so to pay the taxes on whatever part they can afford to hold onto.

Khan didn't overpay by $70MM for the Jags to stay in Jacksonville. That or the Rams move back to LA and the Jags go there or they "trade" franchises.
 
davidphogan
2011-12-25 03:57:38 PM
Ken VeryBigLiar: davidphogan: Henry Holland: Not gonna happen. We're getting the Spanos Goofs and their Chargers, who of course started life as the LA Chargers.

I kind of doubt it. San Diego is doing their little dance around "oh, we're not sure we want to build a stadium here", but they will. If Ralph Wilson dies in the next 5 years, it'll be the LA Bills. His kids have made it pretty clear they can't afford the inheritance tax, and the stadium group wants 40% ownership. Spanos won't give up 40% of the team, but Wilson's kids will happily do so to pay the taxes on whatever part they can afford to hold onto.

Khan didn't overpay by $70MM for the Jags to stay in Jacksonville. That or the Rams move back to LA and the Jags go there or they "trade" franchises.

That's why I put in the 5 year thing. I'm pretty sure he has to pay a hefty exit fee to get out in the next five years, and it drops after that. I think since AEG wants 40% of a team, the Bills will go there first, and Jacksonville will follow a few years later. I can't see Khan buying the team just to need to give up 40% to move into the future Farmer's Field.
 
Ken VeryBigLiar
2011-12-25 04:15:27 PM
davidphogan: That's why I put in the 5 year thing. I'm pretty sure he has to pay a hefty exit fee to get out in the next five years, and it drops after that. I think since AEG wants 40% of a team, the Bills will go there first, and Jacksonville will follow a few years later. I can't see Khan buying the team just to need to give up 40% to move into the future Farmer's Field.

Agreed that not much will happen for 4-5 years but if the price is right for Khan I'd believe he'd do it; and lord knows he wouldn't be the first to break a lease. It could be that he moves with the agreement that he buys out AEG's share (possibly with help from the NFL). It just feels like Godell would kill any move that breaks up a geographical conference; even if the Bills ownership situation becomes a total clusterfark. The AFC East goes back to the 60's, the AFC South? Middling rivalries on a good day. Putting an LA team in that at least makes the division watchable. If it were still the merger-era Khan and Kroenke would just swap teams (and any dollar disparity) and then put one in St. Louis and the other in LA.

/I know it won't happen, but it does make some sense.
 
davidphogan
2011-12-25 04:35:47 PM
Ken VeryBigLiar: It just feels like Godell would kill any move that breaks up a geographical conference; even if the Bills ownership situation becomes a total clusterfark.

I almost think that the Bills will be traded for the Jags when that time comes, and the Bills (as a franchise name, owned by Kahn) will end up in Toronto, and the Jags (owned by AEG and the Wilson family) will move to LA. Boom, Kahn gets his international team, the Jags go to LA, the Ralph Wilson Death Scenario is covered for, and the AFC East stays somewhat intact.
 
Ken VeryBigLiar
2011-12-25 04:42:27 PM
davidphogan: I almost think that the Bills will be traded for the Jags when that time comes, and the Bills (as a franchise name, owned by Kahn) will end up in Toronto, and the Jags (owned by AEG and the Wilson family) will move to LA. Boom, Kahn gets his international team, the Jags go to LA, the Ralph Wilson Death Scenario is covered for, and the AFC East stays somewhat intact.

That could work too. The problem I see for the Jags is who do you hire for the next 3-5 years until either LA or your proposed deal happens? Keep a string of nobodies around and pray Andy Dalton turns into David Klingler? Because by the time this goes down MJD will be at past his prime and, while the defense has some building blocks, you won't sell out Farmer's Field by being Baltimore minus Ray Rice.
 
davidphogan
2011-12-25 04:55:45 PM
Ken VeryBigLiar: That could work too. The problem I see for the Jags is who do you hire for the next 3-5 years until either LA or your proposed deal happens? Keep a string of nobodies around and pray Andy Dalton turns into David Klingler? Because by the time this goes down MJD will be at past his prime and, while the defense has some building blocks, you won't sell out Farmer's Field by being Baltimore minus Ray Rice.

The Jags get out for free if they can prove they're losing money, so I'd say just lose money for the next few years and rebuild once you get to LA.
 
Ken VeryBigLiar
2011-12-25 05:08:51 PM
davidphogan: The Jags get out for free if they can prove they're losing money, so I'd say just lose money for the next few years and rebuild once you get to LA.

I was thinking coaches and any free agents. Do they string this interim guy or some cheap assistants along until the move? That's the hard thing for them to keep together for the next couple of years; and to think if they would have just drafted SEC and ACC studs they might have succeeded in that area.

/I know, Henderson and Stroud went to Tennessee and UGA respectively.
//And I won't even mention a former white guy out of Arkansas
 
Pratty
2011-12-25 06:17:51 PM
TheOther: largedon: Kind of hoping my Rams can land that first pick and trade it Bradford for a crap load of picks.

Luck would be an upgrade over Bradford.

See the Herschel Walker Trade as your dreamgoal.

See, here's the thing, the Luck upgrade over Bradford is small, especially when the Rams have SO many other holes. Same for the Colts(Though for them, it's more they can get RGIII and the QB class is deep) and the Vikings. Drafting Luck when you can get at least two first rounders and some spares is great and you know some GM will offer more than that.

/Not sure a franchise will go to LA, don't think it's a good idea
//Man, saying anything except Buffalo for the Bills sounds...wrong somehow
 
baldrik78
2011-12-25 07:26:19 PM
UNC_Samurai: Harv72b: CavalierEternal: Fallout Zone: So the Vikes screw themselves over by winning, and lose Peterson to a torn ACL and MCL. Par for the course for the most tortured franchise in pro sports.

...I'm sorry, what?

/Cleveland fan

The Chicago Cubs would like a word with both of you.

The Cubs may be the most despondent franchise, you HAVE to give Cleveland the nod for most tortured sports city. They are a sadness-industrial complex.

Obligatory. (new window)
 
Harry_Seldon
2011-12-25 07:29:43 PM
Meh. I am coining next year's draft mania.

Harken for Barkley!
 
Pratty
2011-12-25 07:32:34 PM
Harry_Seldon: Meh. I am coining next year's draft mania.

Harken for Barkley!

Over-rated!
 
Harry_Seldon
2011-12-25 07:36:59 PM
Pratty: Harry_Seldon: Meh. I am coining next year's draft mania.

Harken for Barkley!

Over-rated!

Well, I couldn't think of anything else that would rhyme.
 
xdedd
2011-12-25 07:59:00 PM
I still think that Andrew Luck is going to pull an Eli Manning and refuse to go to the Colts. I'd love him to go to the Niners and reunite with Coach Harbaugh though I know there's no way that's going to happen.
 
Harry_Seldon
2011-12-25 08:22:12 PM
xdedd: I still think that Andrew Luck is going to pull an Eli Manning and refuse to go to the Colts. I'd love him to go to the Niners and reunite with Coach Harbaugh though I know there's no way that's going to happen.

That is a big if right now, the Rams are more likely to get him at this point. Frankly, I am not entirely sure that Andrew Luck is necessarily the best QB in the draft, nor the best bet for the Colts. RGIII is a more dynamic and athletic QB. I wonder if he has the wits and work ethic to make it in the NFL? Cam Newton is looking to be a great NFL QB, and RGIII looks a whole lot like Cam. Of course, RGIII has not declared for the draft. Indy is a great football town, they have great fans, and a great new stadium. Who wouldn't want to play there?
 
Clever_Screen_Name
2011-12-25 08:22:48 PM
Being a Rams fan (hey, stop laughing) I am pulling for them to get the #1 pick. Trade it for a boatload of picks, or draft Luck and see if anyone will take Bradford and his monster contract.
 
dletter [TotalFark]
2011-12-25 11:59:08 PM
If the NFL has dreams of a team in Europe (London?) and other international markets eventually... having a 33 or 34 team league will just not make sense... after 32, they need to jump to 36, go back to 3 divisions per conference (6 teams in each). Try to get all the teams happy to stay where they are (or, move back in some cases if it makes sense.. more likely in SD or Minn if they move than Buffalo or Jax) and add LA, Toronto, London and eventually Mexico City as teams.

10-year NFL Plan:
Eventually 36 teams:
NFC:
East - NYG, Wash, Phil, Dallas, Carolina, London
Central - Chicago, GB, Minnesota, Detroit, St. Louis, Tampa Bay
West - Atlanta, New Orleans, SF, Seattle, Arizona, Mexico City
AFC:
East - NE, NYJ, Buffalo, Miami, Jacksonville, Toronto
Central - Indy, Pitt, Balt, Tenn, Cincy, Cleveland
West - Oak, Den, SD, KC, Houston, LA
Scheduling: 10 games in division (home/away vs each team)... one other division in the other conference (6 games)... 2 games against teams that finished in same divisional position as you in conference... 18 game schedule, still equal number of games against teams in divisional positions as now (3x6 instead of 4x4 as it is now).
Playoffs: 3 division winners, 4 wild-cards per conference. Only the top division winner gets a week 1 bye, week 1 games... WC4 @ Div2, WC3 @ Div3, WC2 @ WC1. 2nd week: Lowest Seed @ Div1, and other two teams play at better seed.
New network playoff scheduling: SNF broadcast network gets to have SNF playoff games in WC and Divisional rounds instead of 2 "Saturday" Wild Card games. NFL Network probably decides to take the 2 new wild-card round games themselves (of course, will be shown on broadcast TV in local markets, just like ESPN & NFLN games are now). Every other league has taken most playoff games to cable, I see two new WC round games as NFL's first foray into that.
 
flsprtsgod [TotalFark]
2011-12-26 07:49:58 AM
davidphogan:
The Jags get out for free if they can prove they're losing money, so I'd say just lose money for the next few years and rebuild once you get to LA.

The Jags cannot break the lease unless they PROVE they are losing money. That means an NFL club must go into court and show, on the record, the entirety of their financial records. There is no way the owners will permit that to happen, for if it does then this last year's labor actions (NFL and NBA) will pale in comparison to the jihad the NFLPA will bring. The lease ends in 2029 and the Jags will either be profitable in Jacksonville (as they are now btw) and stay, or be profitable and move. In any case it will be another team that moves to LA first or the league will expand again.
 
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