There is a power grab in play. This, the GOPer in Indiana that was just tossed for voter fraud, other states making it harder for people to vote.

Look, if you can get people to vote for you, then you should probably second guess your party platform. I mean, nobody votes for the Communists for a reason, right?

Yes, god forbid that we should actually want for people to prove that they really are who they claim to be. It could infringe on someone's right to vote 9 or 10 times, not to mention the impact it will have on the dead voters.

BillCo: Yes, god forbid that we should actually want for people to prove that they really are who they claim to be. It could infringe on someone's right to vote 9 or 10 times, not to mention the impact it will have on the dead voters.

Can you cite any significant voter fraud in the last, lets see, 50 years? And elections that were effected? Anything?

Oh right, you cant. But keep lying. I'm sure you believe it, despite never having seen it or heard of voter fraud actually happening.

On that note, has everyone noticed the old troll alts that are popping back up and getting dusted off in preperation for next year? Logins i havent seen in 2 years are back and pulling the same tricks. Hilarious.

UNHbeta19: Have never, still don't, and never will see the problem with this. Also don't see how it's racist, evil, etc...

You don't have to. The courts settled these issues a long time ago - back in the sixties. Few, if any, of these laws will withstand the test of the courts - but I don't think that's their intent. They can't be tested until they have been applied - and at that point, the 2012 elections will be over.
It never ceases to amaze me how many semi-educated dullards think they are smarter than a couple of centuries of American jurisprudence, and better equipped to interpret the Constitution.

What a shame it is that some people are so very comfortable with disfranchising nearly 5 million Americans simply because they are likely to vote for the other side.

DarnoKonrad: Another example of how the Federal Government continues to be the only check on tyrannical state legislatures.

"States don't have rights. People do." - Ayn Rand

jso2897: DarnoKonrad: Another example of how the Federal Government continues to be the only check on tyrannical state legislatures.

"States don't have rights. People do." - Ayn Rand

"Gimme my welfare check, State!" - Ayn Rand

LordJiro: adamgreeney: BillCo: Yes, god forbid that we should actually want for people to prove that they really are who they claim to be. It could infringe on someone's right to vote 9 or 10 times, not to mention the impact it will have on the dead voters.

Can you cite any significant voter fraud in the last, lets see, 50 years? And elections that were effected? Anything?

Oh right, you cant. But keep lying. I'm sure you believe it, despite never having seen it or heard of voter fraud actually happening.

On that note, has everyone noticed the old troll alts that are popping back up and getting dusted off in preperation for next year? Logins i havent seen in 2 years are back and pulling the same tricks. Hilarious.

It's kinda funny how all the recent *significant* fraud, fraud that changes elections...is done by Republicans. The Indiana Secretary of State and that nonsense in Wisconsin (with the opened ballot bags and all), just to name two recent examples.

But keep trying to 'fix' a problem that doesn't exist, Republicans.

exactly. Even if people arent who they say, they can still only vote once, so this cant effecr an election anyway. It is pure control and abuse.

Sock Ruh Tease: I agree with Nikki Haley. The Poll ID Act ensures that only people who can afford a state-approved ID, such as a gun license, a hunting license, or a license to own a mobile home (but certainly not a state university ID) can vote. That keeps the riff-raff who want to tax the rich out of the polling places, which ultimately protects America and the eagle that cries for it from Muslins and assorted brown people.

Hahaha! Love it :)

Ed Finnerty: jso2897: DarnoKonrad: Another example of how the Federal Government continues to be the only check on tyrannical state legislatures.

"States don't have rights. People do." - Ayn Rand

"Gimme my welfare check, State!" - Ayn Rand

Just making a point about "philosophically consistent conservatism".
I do not recommend or endorse Ayn Rand in any way, shape, or form.
Your concern for my sanity is, however, appreciated.

jso2897: Just making a point about "philosophically consistent conservatism".
I do not recommend or endorse Ayn Rand in any way, shape, or form.
Your concern for my sanity is, however, appreciated.

Sorry - it's getting harder and harder for me to tell who's serious and who isn't. Glad there is still some sanity left.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: jso2897: DarnoKonrad: Another example of how the Federal Government continues to be the only check on tyrannical state legislatures.

"States don't have rights. People do." - Ayn Rand

That quote is farking retarded, and demonstrates that Rand has no grasp of the meaning of the struggle for states rights. But we all already knew Rand is an idiot.....

Oh, I agree with the quote - I was just pointing out that the concept of "states rights" is inconsistent with a true American conservative ideology.
In the traditional American view, as first stated in the Declaration of Independence, and, later, in the Constitution, government exists for the benefit of the governed - not the other way round, and the ONLY legitimate function of the state is to protect the lives, rights, and property of the individual human beings that it governs. The assertion that any government, state or otherwise, would have the right to deny any individual the rights guaranteed in the Constitution is anathema to consistent conservative thought. The Constitution wasn't written so that state governments could simply shred it at their convenience.
But hey - it's just a Goddamn piece of paper, amirite?

UNHbeta19: Seabon: UNHbeta19: Have never, still don't, and never will see the problem with this. Also don't see how it's racist, evil, etc...

At least you admit that no new information will ever change your opinion. Keeps my from wasting my time speaking to you.

Actually that is a good point. I would be interested in more info (and not anecdotal evidence that always accompanies these stories. " I had to climb a 20000ft hill snow, both ways, with my brother on my back as payment for this license"). How many people do not have state IDs, and more importantly why not? Laziness is not a reason, but then why? Cost is next to nothing, hours suck, but we all deal with it, transportation obstacles I know from experience can be horrific to overcome, but they are also giving you 10 months, so that doesn't really hold up. Just not sure why this is a burden.

It would probably be helpful to do some reading about the civil rights movement, back in the sixties, when they started cracking down on this sort of thing. The court rulings and the circumstances surrounding them might provide you with some of the missing pieces of the picture. The legal concept of "De facto" is especially helpful in comprehending this matter.

o5iiawah: adamgreeney: It is pure control and abuse.

Its soft bigotry, which the democrats have been trumpeting for decades, to suggest that brown people are somehow incapable of identifying themselves with proper ID so requiring one to vote somehow infringes their rights.

http://www.scdmvonline.com/DMVNew/default.aspx

Identification cards are free to citizens who are 17 years of age or older. Click here to learn more about the requirements.

not the point. At all. Also, unless the state sends them out, people are paying for them, even if it's bus fare. They are payimg to obtain an ID so they can vote That's called a Poll Tax, and it isn't legal.

o5iiawah: adamgreeney: not the point. At all. Also, unless the state sends them out, people are paying for them, even if it's bus fare. They are payimg to obtain an ID so they can vote That's called a Poll Tax, and it isn't legal.

So I should be able to buy a firearm without ID then. Perfect.

How does that track? You do know what "poll" means right? As in voting you cant charge people to vote. Buying a gun doesnt cast a ballot. Neither does buying a house, or car. How you can equate purchasing a luxary item with voting is an interesting insight into how you veiw democracy.

I let my out of state license expire (I never drive) and had to get an ID. It was so Kafkaesque, I almost gave up. I needed my birth certificate: $21. A SS card: no cost, but I needed a photo ID to get one. (It turns out you can get a letter from SS that says your number belongs to you, which the DMV will accept, although the DMV workers didn't know about it. I had to work my way up to a supervisor to find out about it.) Proof of residence: I wasn't on a lease and none of the utilities were in my name, luckily, I was scheduled to appear at court as a witness and the letter from the court counted. The ID itself cost $20. I had to pay to get myself to the various agencies multiple times: $20? That's already $61 and way more work than someone who is disabled, poor, or used to institutional bias should have to go through just to cast a vote.

Let's not kid ourselves here. This is about targeting likely Democrats and making it so painful to vote they won't bother.

If you're okay with that, you should be ashamed.